#Tanavast

[spookiest-semic]

“honor is not dead so long as he lives in the hearts of men”

“life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination”

“You are not worse for your association with the world, but it is better for its association with you”

Three stormlight quotes that genuinely help me move in my day to day life

[lamaery]

Shard Roller Disco: Roshar Odium has been thirdwheeling for millennia. hmm... song to this in the back of my head: All of the Time by Jungle just for the vibe of the song More Shard Roller Disco AU: Nalthis Sel and Scadrial Scadrial 2 First of the Sun and Taldain Threnody Roshar 2 (row spoilers) Roshar 3 Bonus Dawnshard (spoilers)

[the-uninspired-artist-account]

Cosmere Inktober day 13: Honor

[onlycosmere]

Questioner: Was Tanavast a dragon?

Brandon Sanderson: Tanavast was not, but that's an excellent question. There are some other dragons out there. If you keep asking, you might get some yeses; but this is a no.

[twobitsandanibble]

"Et tu, Cephandrius?"

[freewilllife]

Humans and singers

Tanavast/Honor changed camps

One thing that has never sat right with me, is that Honor/Tanavast changed his underlings.

Originally, it were the human beings that brought Odium with them and the singers were the ones that depended on Honor.

And then I guess, the human beings were not quite satisfied with their land and so they started their conquest, annihilated the singers that had been originally as kind as give them land...to the mere foreigners.

As shocking as this revelation was...it did not really change much...did it?

The present conflict - Humanity craving for war

Even the present conflict broke out, because Gavilar desired eternal life and power...and for Dalinar not even the lives of the elders were a good enough compensation for the murder of his brother.

The listeners had not desired war, it had been the human beings.

Heck, even Eshonai and the present elders had still not desired war, after 5 years of war.

The Fused

From the tiny information we have about the fused it does seem that many of them were rulers/leaders...

So did a part of them go to odium, after the human beings occupied their lands and slaughtered them, similaririly like the elders sacrificed themselves?

Or did Odium feel that the oppressed were so much angered out of their mind, that they were the better foiles he could use?

But I am still a little bit baffled about Honor changing sides...I mean, he knew that the human beings apparantly slaughtered and enslaved the very people who had welcomed them previously...

Them being full of hate is actually so reasonable and understandable that I am still baffled...and the honor of Honor obviously allowed him to switch sides?

[libralita]

Wait so in Tress, it confirms that when a dragon dies, their body leaves behind dragonsteel. Cultivation's vessel is a dragon and her name is "Koravellium Avast." If having "avast" in your name means that you're a dragon and Tanavast is also a dragon, what happened to his dragonsteel?

[kainekron]

Questioner

Can holders of Shards give them up voluntarily? If so, what would happen?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes, a Vessel for a Shard of Adonalsium can give up their power if they wish.

As for what would happen...well, there are some variables in there. Kind of like the variables in what happens to a bucket of water if you dump it out. Depends on where it falls, how strong the wind is, what the air is like.

Power dropped like this, if left alone, could end up Splintering and turning into something like spren/seons. It could become something more like the Stormfather--a large, self-aware entity. It could become something like the Dor or many of the Unmade--something proto-aware, but not truly an individual. There are other possibilities as well, depending on lots of factors. (Are sapient beings involved? what is being done with the power--is it concentrated in the Spiritual Realm as normal, or is it being pushed somewhere else?) FAQFriday 2017 (June 9, 2017)

ominous

[survivorofhathsin04]

Slightly out there theory but I've seen no one else make it and wanna throw it out there. Kaladin is going to become Honor.

It's just a very random hunch I've had the past few days but it makes so much sense to me acknowledging the right details.

Now I dont know if theres a WOB debunking it but as far as I know theres no reason Dalinar couldnt use Bondsmith powers to reforge a shard. Like Honor still exists in Splinters such as honorspren and the Stormfather, so it seems possible to reforge

But even then, why Kaladin? I think its been heavily alluded to across the past few books. Such as the Stormfather consistently calling Kaladin 'Child of Tanavast' and others as 'Child of Honor' Sanderson has said before that it is an important distinction but didnt specify why so my only conclusion is Kaladin being Tanavasts successor in becoming Honor.

Secondly, the Death Rattle from Way of Kings, stating "He must pick it up, the fallen title! The tower, the crown, and the spear!"

This feels so overtly about Kaladin, especially with rhythm of war context. The tower is Urithiru, and Kaladin fighting back the singers and helping free them, the spear is the most obvious and could reference either his decision to join Amarams army in the first place or his decision to train Bridge Four but I think it overall represents his consistency to go back to the fight and do what he must. The fallen title, can be interpreted as Honor itself and how he must carry it on.

The crown is slightly more cryptic and nothing we can currently point to but, if Dalinar reforges the Oathpact with Kaladin as a Herald, the crown title makes sense since Jezrien, the former Windrunner herald was caller KING of the Heralds, and so he also potentially becomes the Windrunner Herald before becoming Honor itself.

And thats like... it.

Not a lot of evidence but my god this feels possible

[ultimateinferno]

Kaladin says god hates him , but I'm going to be fucking honest, I'm certain he's actually Honor's special boy.

[sokarera]

Honor dying + Information about Ashyn + Centuries of war fatigue + they did a Cosmic Crime to Ba-Ado-Mishram + no Bondsmith except the Sibling

Im dying to know what caused the Recreance. It must have been some horrible betrayal right? If it would cause even the current Radiants to abandon their oaths??

[florian-deruko]

He tana on my vast ‘til I start cultivating

[shayberri789]

Still thinking about how much of the cosmere is about critiquing the concept of "for a greater good"

[onlycosmere]

Shard of Honor by Connor Chamberlain

[iberriss]

Sons of Tanavast summary updated!

Thanks to A1waysWrite from Ao3 for beta reading and helping me with my newly updated summary for my long fic!

Continuing on immediately after the events of RoW, the mission to Shinovar is a disaster and the contest of champions is void. Kaladin is struggling with his growing responsibilities associated with his new appointment. New nightmares haunt his dreams and strange new abilities are an unravelling mystery as he draws closer to his fifth ideal. Despite being in the middle of a war and Jah Keved royalty wanting to wed him, Kaladin finds himself slowly falling for someone else. Unwilling to jeopardies the fragile peace with Jah Keved their romance is instead kept secret. Unfortunately, Kaladin never really was very good at deception. When it is finally time to come clean Kaladin discovers he isn’t the only one keeping secrets. Hearing that he has a long-lost family member Kaladin seeks them out to reconnect but only time will tell if this was a blessing or a curse.