#TPN 069

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*Yes, but only because they're young and they don't want to go through with the potentially painful process of having them removed until they're older. **This is very much a case-by-case matter, but I don't have strong opinions or headcanons for specific characters about it. ***This is very much a case-by-case matter, and I do have strong opinions or headcanons for one or a few specific characters regarding this subject.

Further discussed in this post.

(S1 Episode 1 | S2 Episode 8 | Chapter 56 | Chapter 69)

(There is Nothing You Can Do About it, Now by @bblueraven-and-fandoms14)

And spoilers for khgnh's Fragments focusing on the topic under the cut:

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(Chapter 69)

Shout-out to this Oliver / Zack moment

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Hi, I haven’t said anything about this fandom for so long but... If we had to give Yuugo and Lucas realistic faces, I see Yuugo having the face and being played by a younger Hugh Jackman and Lucas by a Younger Jake Gyllenhaal or Charlie Hunnam. What do you think?

Heyyo welcome back 👋

I can kind of see Yuugo Jackman and Lucas Gyllenhaal!

Maybe Lucas Pine

Also while searching for pictures I stumbled across this one of Hugh Jackman and imagine Yuugo with this cut:

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What ages do you think each GP member was shipped out?

I have a headcanon that the older members (Oliver, zack, Paula) are neurodivergent because they were shipped at a young age and probably didn’t do well at standardized testing of grand valley because they have been at goldy pond for years

(rather than months compared to some newer members. I think Pepe was the most recent?)

You're right about Pepe!

(Chapter 69 & 70 Extras | Mystic Code Book Chapter 3 Q&A)

He's the only one whose shipment age is officially confirmed.

My guesses:

1. Adam: 14 at most, but probably younger (shipped in late 2045) 2. Gillian: 7 (2037) 3. Nigel: 8 (2037) 4. Oliver: 7/8 (2036; confirmed to have been at GP the longest) 5. Paula: 8 (2036) 6. Pepe: 16 (2045) 7. Sandy: 12 (2040) 8. Sonya: 8 (Early 2037) 9. Theo: 12 (Late 2045/January 2046) 10. Violet: 10-12 (2042-2044) 11. Zack: 9 (2036)

Without exact dates, the ages and years might be a bit off because I'm mostly focusing on their birth years, but within a year of error hopefully for everyone except Sandy and Violet, for whom I have the least amount of information to go off of so it's just personal vibes.

Reasoning under the cut:

Oliver, Paula, and Zack have been a part of the most recent incarnation of the Goldy Pond Resistance the longest, with Oliver being there the longest out of the three per the chapter 69 extra. We also see flashbacks of them together.

(Chapter 85 | Chapter 95)

From here, all we have to go on is the "Two Wills" story of the third light novel that focuses on Gillian and Nigel.

In this conversation with Emma on January 29, 2046, Nigel says it took him eight years to create one of the guns they use in their plan.

I'm assuming the ages provided in the extras are their ages on the day they met Emma, so a few months later on March 27 of that year Nigel turns seventeen. 2045 (when he's sixteen) minus eight is 2037, when he's eight years old.

Depending on how long it took Oliver and companions to recognize his technical knowledge, which probably wasn't more than a few hunts in.

Similar to how it didn't take long for Gillian's sister to be recruited for the cause.

Gillian and Nigel arrived at Goldy Pond within a few days of each other, if not on the same day, for the two of them, Nigel's younger sister Lala, and Emilia to all experience their first hunt together. Gillian is a year younger than Nigel, so she's shipped to Goldy Pond when she's seven.

"A boy a little older than [Nigel]" is referring to Oliver, who's already shown an aptitude for leadership for him to start taking on the duty of announcements to the new arrivals, couldn't have been there for too much longer than Nigel, so my guess is he arrived at Goldy Pond in 2036 prior to his October 25 birthday when he turned eight.

Sonya is also shown to have arrived before Nigel and Gillian, yet she arrived after Oliver, Paula, and Zack, as she's not featured in any of those early flashbacks with them, so my guess is she also arrived in the first half of 2037 before she turned nine on June 3 of that year.

This only thing that throws me off with all this is this page from chapter 77 because of how small and young Lala looks at the time of her death while Nigel looks like he's the same as he does in the present.

And shortly after she's murdered is when Gillian and Nigel go off on their own to try and kill Luce with an unfinished gun and fail, but the description makes it sound like it's near completion with the damage it's able to do to Luce's mask. It's hard to say, but with the light novel being published in October 2020 and the Goldy Pond arc being published in 2018, it's possible they retconned Lala into being older, or that there was actually a much larger gap between then and Nigel finally perfecting the weapon and ammunition.

But whenever this incident occurs, Sandy has also been around long enough to be integrated into the Resistance.

As this is the only time he's mentioned throughout the entire light novel. Violet's only mentioned during the conversations in the present day when Emma's talking to Gillian and Nigel about their pasts, so it seems safe to say she's the newest member of the Resistance after Pepe and has probably been with them for at least a year, so she was shipped out in 2044 at the latest.

My arbitrary designation for her shipment is sometime between 2042 and 2044 because of my personal headcanon that she only realized she was a trans girl after being shipped out, but she's had enough time to settle into her identity in her new environment surrounded by the new friends who support her. With the farms being symbols of oppression, I like the symbolism of kids coming into themselves once they've been removed from the farm environments they grew up in when they were unaware of the reality of their world.

(Mystic Code Book Chapter 3)

Your headcanon of neurodivergence being a factor in determining which kids are shipped out early before 17 at Grand Valley could also fall into this, which I think is cool. Thrown away due to narrow, arbitrary metrics of success, and becoming the menace that dismantles them thanks to the very reasons they were discarded.

Back to Sandy, he has to arrive sometime before Violet, so 2040 when he's 12. Just because.

Finally, there's Adam, who was at Lambda at least until November 2045 because he sees Norman there.

(Chapter 75)

But he has to have been at Goldy Pond for a bit for him to become the doorman for the resistance, so he was probably sent there in November or December of 2045.

(Chapter 72 | Chapter 73 | Mystic Code Book Chapter 3 Q&A)

Lambda 7214 did not exist fifteen years ago when James left this message, and the timeline in the mystic code book doesn't provide us with a date for when it was completed, though it's probably in the 2030s.

(Mystic Code Book Chapter 5)

With the experiments that take place at Lambda resulting in Hayato and Jin being born two days before Conny's shipment on October 12, 2045, and having them look as old as teenagers in October 2047 when Emma's group meets them, Adam could be anywhere from one to fourteen when he arrives at Goldy Pond. I go with eleven if I'm indulging in the Adam and Norman are twins theory.

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We have seen Norman and Yuugo with mustaches/no hair/different hair. Now i would like to see Lucas with a big barb or mustaches or long hair XD

Or Emma having long hair when she is found by his family after two years.

I'm going to decline putting Emma (or Violet) into a longer hairstyle unless said style is at Miku levels of recognition and the character association is the main focus rather than aesthetics because I have too much baggage associated with it, specifically of it falling into stereotypical portrayals of feminine beauty that associates her adopting it as necessary for her to achieve self-actualization and a reflection of her maturing into a more demure young woman worthy of being arm candy for Norman or Ray (outside of Mama Emma AUs where it's a symbol of patriarchal oppression, but those have their own issues). I don't believe there's anything wrong for female characters to have long hair in general, but specifically with her it seems to lend itself to conformity that prioritizes the boys, and while I have seen exceptions, my anecdotal experience with them hasn't been good, so 80% of the time when I encounter it it's a red flag that I'm probably not going to enjoy the material lol

For Lucas, with how resourceful he and the Goldy Pond Resistance are I can't say I'm surprised they found the means to maintain their facial/body hair (the demons might have provided them with these materials but it doesn't seem like it would be a priority compared to food, medical supplies, weapons, other toiletries), but more so that there was time and effort put into it when hunts were going on every three days. Like with Yuugo, though, there's something to be said about maintaining as much semblance of a normal life and routine as one can under those circumstances. Think I'd be most interested in seeing him with a beard for how uneven it would be with his scars.

(Chapter 69)

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#ive literally never thought of emma and oliver before but ur giving me ideas

yeeesss Emma & Oliver has always felt like one of the most pertinent dynamics to come out of Goldy Pond alongside Emma & Violet with the amount of focus each are given individually as effectively the leaders of the Grace Field escapees and Goldy Pond kids, respectively, and together. The latter is significantly less, unfortunately, but Oliver usually acts as Emma's point person when she needs to confer information/plans and Norman and Ray won't work for the situation because symbolically the scene calls for a representation of larger group cohesion with the kids she didn't grow up with.

Also, after losing so many older siblings at Grace Field and becoming the big sister/leader of them, it's nice to have her regain that kind of relationship with any of the Goldy Pond group; Oliver just happens to have more panels dedicated to it lol

Few scenes below the cut:

(Chapter 69)

(Chapter 110 & 111)

(Chapter 122; this moment is so minuscule, but again we have Oliver acting in a leader role and Emma using him as a point of reference to confirm that taking it easy in this new place is wise and safe for everyone. If even Oliver thinks it's okay to act like this—to say nothing of the way he tells her so gently and in so few words—then she can rest a little more soundly.)

(Chapter 161)

(Chapter 179; he's not the only one given focus here, but I like that he's the one this bit ends on to drive the point home to Norman and Ray about Emma.)

And then this piece by @nagaikei-ajin is my favorite of the two of them for the intensity and parallels.

i want to believe emma and oliver are carrying on yugo and lucas’ will and even got a pair of gloves for remembrance... 

Grace Field Kids Edition Other Platonic Duo Polls Suggestions Post

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#I'm gonna add one possible counterpoint to the idea of them removing the numbers #We have no idea what happened to the Ratri clan's reputation when they had to come clean and proceed with Code Solid #And assuming some of them still try to pretty up their PR from this for whatever reason #The numbers and labels are giant glaring reminders of their giant crime towards these children to the general public #This would always come back to haunt them (via @thathilomgirl)

Good points brought up in the tags. Very depressing to think about the kids being pragmatic in this way with the potential emotional anguish that begins to develop the longer they've been in the human world, though it's something I would have loved seeing explored.

Something that doesn’t surprise me due to how prevalent they are as visuals to remind the audience what series they’re reading and for the multitude of things they represent but is still of interest to me is how I’ve never seen discussions or fanfics that touch upon the removal of the farm tattoos or Lambda branding once the setting switches to the human world. I’ve seen the latter mentioned as a point of distress post-canon (shout-out to chapter 3 of banana_slug_army’s Sunshine and Solace; definitely check it out if you’re a NER enthusiast), but the thought of removing them is never seriously considered by the kids or Moms and Sisters.

Below the cut is an assortment of reasons I’ve gathered for why this is and some musings on them:

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#i see fullscoreshenanigans on my feed #i know i am about to be fed excellent food (via @quixotin)

Oh what a way to word this for this series (but ty 💖💝)

And neat to see the diversity of answers here with "as a reminder of what they've overcome" leading.

With how dehumanizing they are and how it could play into how they interact with people in the human world, I feel a number of them wouldn't want to keep them longer than they would have to and as a way of moving on, but as long as the idea of them thinking about it and consciously coming to a decision is happening, I think you can make an argument for any of these.

(Chapter 181.1 | Chapter 56)

But them never thinking about it when they get to the human world is wild given how we see it visibly causing them distress at various points throughout the story.

*Yes, but only because they're young and they don't want to go through with the potentially painful process of having them removed until they're older. **This is very much a case-by-case matter, but I don't have strong opinions or headcanons for specific characters about it. ***This is very much a case-by-case matter, and I do have strong opinions or headcanons for one or a few specific characters regarding this subject.

Further discussed in this post.

(S1 Episode 1 | S2 Episode 8 | Chapter 56 | Chapter 69)

(There is Nothing You Can Do About it, Now by @bblueraven-and-fandoms14)

And spoilers for khgnh's Fragments focusing on the topic under the cut:

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Rip Pepe & Zack 😔🙏 and the dozens of other combinations there weren't many or any panels for.

Right like how cruel was it for Shirai to put this information in the mystic code book:

All up there in his head, but never making it into the story proper so we could see all the nuances in their actions and expressions. </3

The timeline here is also kind of wonky for me to grasp and get a sense of just how long Adam has been there since he still had to be at Lambda long enough to latch onto the sight of Norman and his number in November or December of 2045, but he also had to have been in Goldy Pond long enough to where he officially became the guard of the windmill. Just feels so short (but then again I feel like that about each of the longer timeskips in the story)

The treasure that is having someone you can share amiable silence with. 🙏😌

But also would have really liked to see her interact with Oliver and/or Zack given their history together as the kids who had survived the longest together in the current iteration of the Goldy Pond Resistance.

Sharing three out of five letters in their names and winding up on the same team during the destruction operation, and even getting beat up together. :')

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