#Star Wars: The Expanded Universe

[totallycorrectjediorderquotes]

Ahsoka: Is it true that whoever wins in a fight against you becomes the Master of the Order?

Mace:

Mace: Yeah?

Cal: Can we fight you for it?

Mace: It’s a shitty job though

Mace: No one should want this job

Mace: Why would you want this job?

Ahsoka: Bragging rights?

Cal: I want to outrank Master Fisto!

Mace: Yeah, good enough

Mace: Cal, rock paper scissors me for it

[auditect]

Who else thinks it would have been cool if Mace Windu had dual-weilded his two lightsabers at some point?

[kiwikipedia]

I genuinely think that Guda could survive in the SW universe but Anakin would not be able to handle any of the shit that happened in Fgo

[sapphicsparkles]

The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.

A piece of Barriss I did awhile back for the @forgottenchapterszine based off of the Legends MedStar duology!

[star-wars-forever]

Mara Jade

by @venamis

[auditect]

Now, please point out the part where I mentoined that it was canon to Lucas personally.

As for the individual you just linked, I am familiar with him. We had previously engaged in a debate where he tried to argue that Mace Windu having a blue lightsaber a decade before the Clone Wars was definitve proof the EU was never canon, despite Rey, Anakin and Luke all having blue lightsabers at first and then switching to a different lightsaber colour in canon. Needless to say, he failed to impress me as an unbiased source or strike me as someone who is willing to admit a mistake when proven wrong. (by this logic, TCW isn't canon either because Windu has gauntlets that he dosen't wear in the movies)

Moving on to why the EU was canon, If George Lucas had consistently said "the EU was never canon" then you would indeed be correct. However, his opinion on the EU was known for being extremely inconsistent. Yes, sometimes he said that it's in a different universe to his saga, other times he said it expands the universe. There are also times where interviewers asked him about off-screen events from the films, such as how Anakin got his scar from Revenge of the Sith, and Lucas would tell them to read the comics, which does suggest he at least sometimes concidered them to inform the films. (If you're interested, the story of how Anakin got his scar is told in the comic "Dreadnoughts of Rendili".)

I have linked a video that gives further examples of GL's opinion on the Expanded Universe's canonicity changing:

Please keep in mind, this is by no means to be disrespectful towards George Lucas. Opinions change with time and that's okay. However, it does put into question to how it was officially treated, outside of Lucas' personal opinion, and by then, it should become pretty obvious that the EU was intended to be viewed as canon.

A dead giveaway would be the presence of the Infinities logo, which was specifically intended to mark non-canonical stories such as Tag & Bink or most of Star Wars Tales. Why a continuity that was supposedly never canon would even need a logo to point out non-canonical stories is beyond me.

Leeland Chee is also living proof of the EU's canonicity. His job was to maintain the continuity and decide how different stories fit into the canon.

The truth is that before 2014, things weren't as simple as "canon" and "non-canon". There were different tiers, with most of the Expanded Universe being placed into something called "C-canon", not "Non-canon".

If you would like even further proof of the Expanded Universe being officially canon, I recommend checking this video by Manda-LORE, starting at the six minute mark explicitly proving that the EU was officially canon.

Of course, just because the EU was official canon, dosen't mean you have to personally view it as such. If you only want to accept George Lucas' vision of Star Wars as the only true one, that's completely fair. However, I do have to take Issue with a double standart that I've hinted at in my previous comment: You are indeed correct in saying that the EU may not have been part of George Lucas' personal view of Star Wars. But there's the thing, TCW wasn't, either.

If you look at the canon hierarchy that I posted above, TCW was not concidered G-canon back in the day. It wasn't until after the Disney buyout that the show was promoted to the same canon status as the films. You'd think that if mere statements by Lucas count as G-canon, then a show he was supposedly "heavily involved" in absolutely would.

Obviously, Dave Filoni loves riding the "I was George Lucas' Padawan" train, alledgedly even to the point of sabotaging the careers of people who threaten this claim, but the fact is that George Lucas has not written or directed a single episode. When he talks about the story of Star Wars in interviews, he dosen't mentoin Ahsoka, the Mortis Gods, or any events that were shown only in TCW, he only talks about the six films.

Watching DVD extras and featurettes, it's always Dave Filoni talking about the creation of the show, and rarely if ever Lucas. It's Filoni's brainchild, not that of George Lucas. Plus, you'd think that if George Lucas was as involved in the show as the fans claim, he would be available to voice his own character.

Here is an interview quote where Dave admits that George Lucas did not have a lot of input in the making of TCW:

"So right now, Resistance is a bit different, in that I'm not on that day-to-day. I created and set it in motion, but I've given that to other people to raise up, people that I've worked with a long time, who I think deserve the opportunity to tell stories and I think it's exciting, and I give them my thoughts and notes – I was just doing that this morning, like George would give me. So that's fun."

George wasn't nearly as involved in TCW as some fans claim, aside from answering some questions from the creators and saying yes or no to to what people were or weren't allowed to do. If you think that this is enough to declare the show as being canon to George Lucas, then the EU would by that logic also be canon to Lucas.

Here are some notable contributions George Lucas had to the Expanded Universe:

Changing the ending of the comic The Dreams of Cody Sunn-Childe from Lando originally seeing the truth in the titular character's pacifistic ways to disagreeing with them.

Killing off the Towani family in Ewoks: The Battle for Endor

Resurrecting Palpatine in Dark Empire

Talk Timothy Zahn out of making Joruus C'Baoth a clone of Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Confirming that Spice is a drug for Jedi Search

Having Quinlan Vos survive Order 66

Establishing Darth Plagueis' species as a Munn

There are also several instances where TCW outright went against George Lucas' input, such as his statement that Yoda never visited Dagobah being contradicted by the Episode "Voices". Dave Filoni has also infamously went against George Lucas' wishes to kill off Ahsoka Tano, which he proudly admits to in the featurette of "The Wrong Jedi".

This is actually something that I brought up in my earlier discussion with David, to which he replied that going strictly against George Lucas' wishes somehow made it closer to Lucas' true vision, while at the same time not being above using nitpicks and very minor inconsistensies such as the colour of Mace Windu's lightsaber to discredit the EU. Needless to say, I'm not exactly convinced of David's supposed objectivity or expertise in George Lucas' view of canonicity.

I didn't mean to turn this into an essay, but in conclusion, Star Wars had a canon hierarchy before Disney took over, the EU was officially canon and TCW was also canon, but both were overruled by the movies.

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

I don’t think some people realize why the gray jedi thing pisses some of us off so badly.

Imagine you like lord of the rings and you decide to look around the fandom.

And it turns out that 10+ or something years ago someone wrote a piece of fanfiction where they rewrote the rules for the ring. So instead of it only having one master and corrupting everyone else that tried to use it, it sometimes chooses to take a new master if it feels the person is worthy of it. And therefore this author’s self-insert OC can now use the one ring in all its glory without getting turned crazy.

This fanfic gets published (as some fanfics do) and most of the fandom has read it and loves it.

Now, when you (someone who has only dealt with canon works written by Tolkien) see this fic you go… huh. That’s nice, but it goes against the very point of the books and the lore tolkien created. So while it’s a good fic I’m not going to interact with it.

But then people keep harassing you for taking about/ writing the one ring the way tolkien wrote it to begin with.

And they SWEAR that this is the Actual lore of the one ring, and that YOU are wrong. Which is completely insane to you, because FRODE TOOK IT TO MORDOR FOR A REASON. There is only one lord of the ring!! That’s literally the name of the series that’s what it’s about!! If what the fandom was insisting about was possible, there would be no plot. In the original books.

This is why we are so upset over gray jedi!! Bc if it was possible to use the dark side but still be a good guy then wtf is wrong with Anakin? Why the fuck did Darth Vader fall to the dark side? Why did Luke struggle so much? If you can have your cake and eat it too why are the movies so fuckin long?? Why did Luke fail against Vader in Empire? what lesson did he learn in Return? Why would the movie be called Return of the Jedi if Luke had not learned the Jedi ways????

You can write OC’s as gray jedi all you want but when you start forcing it into canon it literally ruins the movies!

[blackwomeninstarwars]

Aside from its anti-blackness/racism, the general deterioration of Star Wars as a multi-faced story results from people failing to understand the messaging behind characters like the Jedi (and even the Sith). Failing to understand, and desperate to flatten it into something so binary and unfaceted, reactionary viewpoints are the guiding principle.

So, now we've got god-knows-how-many television shows and films (canceled or completed) that problematize the Jedi (and are far too sympathetic/lenient with Sith and Empire ideology) and their philosophy, and people who unironically believe "the Jedi bad, actually" telling those stories.

And, all of this, honestly, started with (non-miniseries) The Clone Wars show, and boiled over with the Sequel Trilogy.

[totallycorrectjediorderquotes]

Fox: If I kill the Chancellor would that be murder or charity?

[auditect]

Ah, three of my favourite roles and they look perfect!

Thank you very much for the kind words and the fantastic artwork! And to anyone else looking for an artist to commission, you won't regret hiring Renee!

Jedi Masters Plo Koon, Ki-Adi Mundi, and Kit Fisto

Commissioned by @auditect!

It's finally finished! My free time has been rather limited the past few months, so this took longer than it should have. But I'm super pleased with how it turned out!

Auditect wanted some 2003 TCW influence in this, and sent a bunch of helpful references. These Jedi are 3 of the characters he voices most often in his comic dubs, which you can find on YouTube here!

Shares and likes are appreciated 💛

[auditect]

Obi-Wan Kenobi and Quinlan Vos

A friendship so strong not even the storms of the Clone Wars could extinguish it! But how did these two legendary Jedi meet? Witness their first adventure together in Star Wars: The Stark Hyperspace War: Part 3!

[ninjonnyuszi]

Jedi masters to the students 😂

[sapphicsparkles]

Happy Mara Monday! Here is a commission of the beloved hater girl for @armoralor ❤️‍🔥

You can also get the print HERE!

[holonetwork]

Astromechs of the Expanded Universe

[mandalorianhistorian]

[syn0vial]

one of my favorite part of the shapeshifter strikes is when jango and zam are trying to intimidate a prisoner and so they put on this whole little drama in the hold of slave I where zam poses as one of the prisoner's associates trying to break him out, and then jango shows up like, "aha, i've caught you!" and pretends to kill her, and everything, from the way jango just casually scoops her up and walks away afterwards to the fact that they have dedicated props for this very act, tells you that they pull this shit all the time. like they could just do the good-cop-bad-cop routine, but no, these two lunatics are putting on a whole community theater production complete with a fucking smoke emitter in the back of zam's vest just for the drama of it all.

anyway, do you think that after jango kills zam in episode 2 that he has a moment (or several) where he keeps expecting her to show up alive with a grin and a quip just like every time he """killed""" her before? :^)

[star-wars-forever]

The Moldy Crow

by Dave Dorman