#Spn s2ep1
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light-me-on-pyre · 8 months ago
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I am highly enjoying s2 so far (I'm one episode in) love when a character has to come to terms with his mortality(especially when they've already escaped death before like Dean has)
Love the hospital whump. Love the self sacrifice. Love the ominous pit in deans stomach which 100% means he's cursed to turn Sam into the perfect little devil soldier I mean daddy over there literally made a deal with the devil there's going to be a catch.
Also the nurse saying he's got an angel looking out for him like lucifer wasn't an angel once too.
I just started watching Supernatural because why not and
The shape shifter episode?
The shape shifter episode.
The entire episode was giving me whumpflies. The premise is a shapeshifter turns into the husbands and boyfriends of the women he tortures and kills and the real guys take the fall for it. And I just
The situation from the women's prospective. The "please don't hurt me any more" to the real husband.
Imagining a whumper who tortures like this but doesn't kill. The victims testimony means the real guy goes to jail for sure even when no cameras. How does he convince her it wasn't really him? Even if it ends with a reveal and exoneration like the episode, how can she trust him? How does he grapple with the fact she believes, with good reason if emotion driven, that he's capable of that?
I just
Oooooh I see why people like this show.
#Spn s2ep1#So you know the thing that I'm sure everyone does where you imagine a self insert or oc hanging out in whatever#story you're watching unfold? Even before starting to watch this my way of imagining it was Kevin as a ghost#If there was any particularly brutal or drawn out whump I would imagine him there in a way the whumpee could see him#But not the whumper and so he can comfort the whumpee between torture sessions#Because I like the carnage but I like messy recoveries more#And I think there's something tasty where you're being tortured day in and day out and you see this guy there#You can see him you can hear him (even if he can't actually talk) you can't touch him but he's trying to make this better for you#If your tormentor catches wind you're seeing ghosts they ridicule you or punish you for lying#It just adds a little to both that story I'm watching/daydreaming about as well as to Kevin's I feel#And then I started watching supernatural#I imagined since the boys are hunting ghosts but have not come across a benign one yet#How would they react to that? Would John have an entry about Kevin in the book if he appeared to in universe whumpees before?#I assumed they would seek out an ouija board and it would be the only thing Kevin would be able to interact with#Then Sam started getting powers and I thought Hold On#What if only Sam can see him which leads Kevin to think this is just another whumpee/whumper scenario and#it takes him awhile to trust Dean and that Sam just happens to be Special Psychic Boy#And Then this hospital episode happened#Dean turns Into A Ghost or at least close enough and it would make sense for him to be able to see Kevin for the first time this way#You get the trio seeing (or lack thereof) what it's like for each other and how awkward communication gets#when the person obscured by the vail of death gets shifted one to the left.#When Dean wakes up he says he doesn't remember what it was like while on deaths doorstep#I personally think he's lying but if he's not I imagine Kevin would tell him all about it (ouija board) (can't see him tho)#John's self sacrifice would still play out normal because Kevin was with the boys the entire time (dean specifically).#Now I'm going to be waiting for the boys to encounter a faerie and when they inevitably give their names away immediately I can imagine#Kevin in the background face-palming so hard his entire visible form flickers#If he could say it out loud hed admonish them 'I know Im a hypocrite for saying this but can you not fall into the most well known fae trap#*sigh* I've thought this out too much I'm in too deep to not start drafting it properly now#Why did I wait so long to get onto tumblr I should have been doing this when it was at its peak cringe
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the-doctor-needs-a-river · 1 year ago
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So, going into this tentatively because there are a lot of strong feelings going around.
People are so traumatised (and validly so) about queer/disabled character deaths from shows with horrible representation and queerbaiting that this has become almost the automatic response to the death of any queer/disabled character. In a lot of situations (cough cough spn etc.) this is absolutely the case.
HOWEVER.
What people are missing is that this doesn't apply to a show in the context where multiple characters are (respectfully) represented as disabled (Lucius, Ed, Jackie, Wee John, Prince Ricky) and nearly every single character is queer. The beauty of the intention here is that a queer/disabled character gets to just be a character. There's no tokenisation there. So when a character like this in this kind of context dies, it's just a character death.
Because of good representation, there is no malice in the death.
Add into this the fact that the death makes perfect narrative sense when viewed through the larger narrative lense of the main point of this season being Ed's emotional arc, it's actually very good story telling (can go deeper into this if requested). That's not saying that it doesn't hurt or that it doesn't feel unfair: that's what good story telling is supposed to do.
I think it's easy to, especially after the first 2 episodes of s2, try and villainise Ed, but I think that's a narrow understanding of what was going on. Yes, Ed was physically abusive to Izzy and the crew, but people overlook the fact that Izzy was emotionally abusive to Ed when he was in an incredibly vulnerable state, which was ultimately the catalyst for the events of S2ep1-2. They both did wrong and both deserved/needed to give apologies; there was no innocent party between them, a fact that Izzy acknowledges multiple times. That's why the parallel to S1ep10 ("there he is") was so beautiful and devastating because it was an understanding of wrongdoing on both parts and an acceptance that they no longer fit together.
Like Izzy said, THEY were Blackbeard, and Blackbeard needed to die for Ed to be able to move on and truly be himself - think the shift from ep 2 to 3 where Ed didn't want to die, he just didn't want to live being Blackbeard but had been convinced there wasn't any alternative. That was the overarching theme of Ed's arc and what Izzy was acknowledging in his final moments.
When you think about it this way, Izzy's death has been foreshadowed as a narrative necessity from the very beginning of the series. With this in mind, the journey that he goes on in the meantime goes above and beyond the acceptance of Ed's vulnerability that we needed to see for them to get to this point; we also see Izzy find his own vulnerability and strength within his found family and identity. THEY DIDN'T NEED TO DO THIS. They gave us this because they also love Izzy and wanted to give his character as much love as possible in the time up until his purpose as a device for Ed's character arc came.
And ultimately, this is what separates Izzy from Ed and Stede - his primary purpose has always been as a character based narrative device to challenge Ed. The fact that so many people love him in his own right is amazing but this has always been his main purpose. Of course he has intervals of brilliant character ingenuity and growth of his own, especially in this new series, but this is exactly what I'm talking about when I say we've been gifted this when we didn't need to be. Does that make the loss sting even more now that we've had it? Of course it does but that's the point. They went so above and beyond with him this series because they saw the potential in his character and Con's fantastic performances, and because they love him as much as we do. But the point still stands that he served the purpose of the character and device that he was always set out to be from the very beginning.
We know from dj that this was all very intentional and, although the analogy used can potentially be questioned, he stuck to his intended trope and executed it with dignity and beautiful parallels.
I guess I'm just saying that it makes me sad to see good writing be misinterpreted, but I completely get where the trauma response is coming from. I would hate to see us get into a situation where we lose this kind of amazing representation because writers are too scared of potential backlash to take the chance of including it when what has been interpreted wasn't narratively intended.
As always, this is written with respect, love and no ill intentions and everyone is entitled to their own thoughts ❤️
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encyclop3dia · 3 years ago
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the last few scenes in s2ep1 of spn.... 
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