#Shipping Bullshit

[aeon-borealis]

[caddy-crystal-queen]

I'm sorry, it's been almost a decade since the sequel trilogy started. Can we please just stop the bullshit surrounding reylo please? Like I'm not even kidding. I am so sick of seeing every other fucking villain/heroine pairing compared to them and basically labeling them toxic or some other nonsense. Can we just stop with the bullshit? Please?

If it takes one ship to ruin an entire series of movies for you, then I'm sorry but you've missed the entire point of movies. Just shut your brains off and fucking watch it. It's really not that hard. And if you do that and still don't like it, then just say that and move on!

I frikkin hated twilight but yall don't see my ass on here constantly bitching about it! I just don't like the series, and that's OKAY! It doesn't make me any less of a person. Sure it ruined the entire concept of vampires for me for a while but I watched the underworld series (and Van Helsing admittedly) and got the fuck over it! It's not that hard, trust me!

And yall can get over reylo, I promise. It's Canon, deal with it and move on please. Feel your feelings, scream into the void, and then move on. There is actual more shit in the world to be pissed off about then a fictional couple that doesn't (or shouldn't, rather) effect you in any way shape or form.

Also if people can stop harassing each other over being pro reylo or anti reylo that would be fucking amazing. Thank you!!!!!

Sincerely,

A reylo shipper who is just done with the bullshit and just wants to love what I love in fucking PEACE!

FUCK!

[the-brainrot-central]

I am totally normal about Kiraboss (denial)

I just think they would have the funniest fucking text conversations, intentionally or not

[saltwukong]

I love Blake and her and Yang are amazing together.

Cope harder loser

No, you don't. You don't love Blake. You love Blek, Yang's girlfriend.

Blake Belladonna is a warrioress, a race rights advocate, and a staunch voice against corporate abuses.

Where is any of that in her relationship with Yang? It's not there. You can't find it, and aren't interested in it. Yang doesn't give a shit about those things and neither do you.

Enjoy your milquetoast girlboss ship for what it is, plain and watered-down and boring.

[umbramus]

Honestly? I think this what made me start to hate sonadow! Cuz nobody would treat Silver right

[fairytail-whathesays]

Years in and out of this fandom and Finally FINALLY some good najeel headcanons😭 thank you so much! you're so right it's such a rare pair for no reason, like they want to kick each other's ass homoerotically. What else does a person need?

Shipping the two rivals who never actually get their rematch because they became allies somewhere down the line is a time-honored tradition in fandom but unfortunately this particular fandom has heterosexual disease 💔

[trojanteapot]

Sane people: I'm into Enemies to Lovers!

Other sane people: I'm into Friends to Lovers!

Me: ah yes, but what if we had Friends to Lovers to Enemies to Lovers to Enemies to Friends to Lovers to Enemies to--

[lacrimosathedark]

I genuinely didn't have a real intention to further elaborate on this half-joke post, but @suzaojou decided to comment and I see you all over just spoiling peoples' fun so I will elaborate further.

"No, Alastor would treat FemLucifer like he treats the other short angel who doesn't like him, Vaggie. Antagonistic and condescending as much as possible with no regard to her personal space. Lucifer isn't gonna treat FemAlastor like Lilith, it's gonna make it worse cuz she would say that she sees Charlie like her own and that implies trying to take the spot of Charlie's maternal figure from Lilith."

As of meeting Lucifer, Alastor was not aware Vaggie was an angel, and therefore it would have no bearing on his perspective. Additionally, while snarky and sassy, he is gentlemanly with Vaggie in all but the Pilot, which has uncertain canonicity (which YOU should personally know as in the past you've insisted Lucifer couldn't possibly know any Overlords despite in said Pilot being with them on Extermination Day). He mocks her no more than he mocks Charlie, refers to her as well as "my dear", is willing to take on a task that is silly, inconvenient, and "less fun" than he would have liked (specifically the Egg Boiz). He doesn't openly hate her nor is he particularly cruel to her, whereas look at him interacting with literally any man.

I was mostly joking in regards to Lucifer and fem!Alastor because I find the surface similarities between Alastor and Lilith amusing, especially the ones that fandom has latched on to Lucifer being attracted to, like Lilith's strength, determination, grace, and height.

But regardless, Lucifer's reaction wouldn't be worse, just different. Had Alastor been taking a more motherly role, he would likely be hurt but not as personally affronted. Alastor can only take a parental role because those spaces were "available" (not really how it works but I'm simplifying because feelings are reactive not thoughtful) and Lucifer has no right to contest Alastor for a motherly role because that's Lilith's space and she is gone and that's between her and Charlie. The reminder would be upsetting, just as any other reminder of her, but not necessarily have him up in arms. Alastor taking a fatherly role is directly stepping on Lucifer's toes, which gets under his skin because he wants a close relationship with Charlie and that's HIS spot. He's spurred by jealousy and wounded pride. And he is Pride Incarnate. He's gonna be more pissy about that. So, yes, I still think he would be less antagonistic to a fem!Alastor.

"Which would make Lucifer more antagonistic toward the Sinner woman who dares to think she could take over any position from the Queen of Hell."

fem!Alastor would not be playing for the position of the Queen of Hell if she was being antagonistic towards Lucifer. She would be doing ostensibly the exact same thing as canon Alastor, just while being a woman. Alastor may want Lucifer's position as King, idk, but that's never what he is challenging, only Lucifer's position as a paternal figure. In that way, fem!Alastor wouldn't be trying to take what is naturally the Queen's role, unless she flirted with him, which I wasn't thinking about as part of the scenario. Do you think Lucifer is gonna throw a fit about Rosie? Because I genuinely don't.

"Alastor doesn't like people way more powerful than him and Lucifer is rightly annoyed that someone he just met called him short."

Zestial is more powerful than him and he's cordial with him. Vox's power in comparison is hard to gauge, but Alastor "almost beat" Vox which implies Vox is stronger, and Alastor still pushes his buttons, but not because he's powerful, because he's a whiny little bitch and they have a history. Viv has said Alastor likes people who are similar to him, but not too similar. Alastor and Lucifer have a lot in common (as do Alastor and Vox), but there's other factors that make Lucifer easy to get under Alastor's skin.

Alastor has been stated to be a "mama's boy" and has a level of respect for women that he doesn't have for men. He has known Lucifer to be an absent father, which already puts him in not-good standing in Alastor's eyes. He also is immediately the center of attention, and Alastor is an attention whore. And finally, Lucifer doesn't know him and basically dismisses him on his own turf. Those are much bigger factors to trigger Alastor's irritation than someone being more powerful. CHARLIE is more powerful, and he has more respect for her than any man, but she is still a child to be guided to his whims and not a threat or irritant.

As someone who has been called short my whole fucking life and is anxious, self-conscious, and vindictive, being called short is gonna make me roll my eyes, not automatically hate someone. And if I'd been hearing it for centuries instead of decades, it'd mean even less. Cool, you stated a fact, can we move on? That didn't set Lucifer off and isn't going to be the tipping point of disliking Alastor.

Now, to end this off, you are a huge hypocrite and need to learn to let people enjoy things.

Usually I wouldn't argue with or shame people for what they ship, but I see you so consistently arguing with Radioapple shippers that maybe it's warranted if only so you get some perspective.

I went to your page before writing this and one of the most recent reblogs is Lucifer and Husk smooching. WOW talk about no canon evidence. They haven't even interacted beyond a greeting, and there's, y'know, Huskerdust. Nothing inherently wrong with shipping them, but yknow. Hypocrisy. And with Lucifer still stuck on Lilith (which for the record I personally note in many of my Radioapple posts) why would he date Husk? I don't see it.

And I scrolled a bit and saw

Oh look, a ship that I don't like! But I don't immediately see the post. Maybe that's because I HAVE THE TAG BLOCKED SO I DON'T SEE IT AND LEAVE PEOPLE WHO LIKE IT ALONE. Maybe give that a try.

And honestly, if you wanna talk about people who would never be together because of hate, it's staring you in the face. Adam is THE toxic-masculine heteronormative dudebro. Man probably doesn't wash his ass cuz he thinks it'll make him gay. And Lucifer? Stole BOTH OF HIS WIVES. Whether you think he actually fucked Eve or not is irrelevant because he still, intentionally or otherwise, turned her against him with the apple, and then joked about fucking her to his face. But you think those two would be a good match? Please.

There is nothing inherently wrong with shipping Lucifer with Husk or Adam, but there's also nothing wrong with people shipping him with Alastor. People are allowed to enjoy things and have fun with them. And you are fully capable of just blocking tags so you don't have to see what you don't want to. No one is making you look at anything. Curate your own experience to the best of your ability.

This is a fandom for a show about redeeming Sinners. You should be able to understand that people are different and complex and nuanced and something not being to your taste doesn't make it bad, and that's okay. I'm mildly sex-repulsed and Angel Dust often makes me uncomfy. That doesn't mean he or his profession is bad or that he's a bad character, just that sometimes he's not for me. And that's okay. I don't have to always like what he says for him to be a good character or for others to enjoy him in all his raunchy glory.

Genuinely, I hope you learn from this. But if I get one more comment from you about how bad and wrong Radioapple is, you are going to be blocked.

Concept I find funny: the only reason Alastor and Lucifer aren't besties (or something else) is because neither of them is fem-presenting.

I don't mean this as in like they're homophobic, you cannot convince me Lucifer is straight and I feel like on the whole Alastor doesn't care.

But like

Alastor has this Thing about men. There is exactly one man in the show that he has spoken with and not antagonized and that's Zestial (for whatever reason). His interactions with Husk and Pen and Vox and Lucifer have him finding and really digging into their deepest insecurities. He is brutal.

And Lucifer, of course, sees this snarky cocky son of a bitch getting right up close to his daughter, where he could easily take advantage of her. Of course his defenses are going to shoot up.

But if Lucifer presented as a woman, Alastor would probably still pick a fight, but he'd be a bit more genial about it. More double meanings than how in-your-face he was. Might even show her more respect and be more willing to acknowledge Lucifer as more powerful. Because he is a gentleman to every woman he comes across, the worst he does being glaring at Carmilla for denying him attention.

And Lucifer with fem!Alastor, well...just look at Lilith. Need I say more? (I can and will say more if need be)

So just like...imagine these two somehow being confronted with the fact that the biggest reason they don't like each other is just their first impression's biases.

[dollya-robinprotector]

Well, y'know, something something about the patriarchal man gatekeep gaslight manipulative monopolizing confine the only pure light he ever sees - his innocent sister and the experienced old uncle who looks a bit careless and homeless but is actually very gentle and can only look at the prisoned songbird girl from far away…

Ye I'm normal about them I promise-

[aeon-borealis]

I think it'd be fun to draw a one-off of Aleheather as a throuple...

[clearancecreedwatersurvival]

Is anyone gonna explain to people that ‘proship’ does not actually mean ‘problematic shipping’ or ‘problematic ship’ or are we just going to let this misinformation spread some more?

It means pro-shipping. The prefix pro, meaning ‘supporting.’ In favor of shipping.

It only became a defined position after anti-shippers who initially identified themselves as anti-a specific ship started harassing creators they didn’t like, doxxing them, and trying to get them fired from their irl jobs for shipping reasons around 2014-2016.

So people who had been in fandom for long enough to know where that kind of rhetoric leads (ffnet purges, LJ strikethru, as well as the direct harms caused by doxxing) observed this increasing trend of harassment and rallied to say ‘oh you lot are anti-shipping, as in opposed to certain ships? Well in that case, we are pro-shipping, because we follow the adage of ship and let ship.’

Before that point, it was just basic fandom etiquette to not bother people who ship stuff you don’t like, and to understand that if something squicks you out, it’s not the fault of the people who made it.

If someone says they are pro-ship, it means fuck all about what they actually enjoy in fiction.

It just means they’re opposed to harassing creators for making content that doesn’t cause tangible harm to real people. A better way to understand the ideological position is being anti-harassment and anti-censorship.

I have a lot of ships I find disgusting blacklisted so I don’t have to see them. But I am not interested in forcing people to comply with what I think is gross. That’s what it means.

Curate your online experience, and understand that your disgust response is not a defensible moral indicator or a justification to harass, deplatform, and dox fan writers.

[arthurianlegend144]

This is absolutely a thing. I hate when people act like they are morally superior because of a goddamn ship. People, we literally ship countries, there is no moral ground to stand on.

I'm a multishipper, but I often avoid engaging with certain ships and fandom spaces if a lot of the fans tend to be hostile antis towards my other ships.

It's possible to be friends with people who don't have the same exact ships, but some people just go out of their way to bash a ship and its shippers every chance they get.

Can we just – be civil to each other, please? It'd make fandoms a much better, more peaceful place.

[the-brainrot-central]

Kiraboss nation, enjoy this cringey ass text imagine video I made (they are on a dating app like Grindr or something)

Sped up for conciseness

[saltwukong]

I want to know how Bees supposedly break bisexual stereotypes because the stereotypes I've seen for bisexual wlw pairings as of late are 1) one is an open flirt while the other is a meek submissive, 2) trauma bonding, 3) one has a bob cut the other has long hair, 4) they get with a woman at the end and it's seen as "correct", 5) one partner in the pairing has a habit of dating people similar to a past abuser.

And Bees checks off each and every one of them.

You know what would have been more groundbreaking? Having both bisexual leads end up in different pairings. One just happens to end up with a guy, the other just happens to end up with a girl, there's no trauma bonding, and both their respective partners are a different kind of sexuality/gender identity. And have some melanin. And different hair lengths.

Literally anything else would have been far more groundbreaking that what we have with Bees.

The bees aren't groundbreaking because it's 2023.

Much like the ill-fated Destiel canonization, the show waited far too long for LGBT representation of any flavor--least of all blatant cash grabs to save a financially spiraling show--for it to really matter. It was simply not going to be the revolutionary thing its stans kept insisting it was by the time they got it.

I don't think Blake and Yang needed to look different or be in different pairings to be good LGBT rep. I think they needed to be in a better show that doesn't have the tiniest fucking testicles ever witnessed--talkin' to you, Miles.

[umbramus]

I think shipping culture has ruined how people think people in relationships are allowed to act in media. Dating, especially after a while isn't being all over your partner and constant "oh my god I'm so in love with you"s 24/7 365. Couples, throuples and etc can just act like regular supportive friends and that doesn't mean it's "boring" or "unseasoned" and it certainly doesn't mean they have no reason to be dating in the first place! And the bigger problem is I usually only see this with w/w ships and it feels homophobic!

Edit: so it does happen with m/m ships, I've just personally only seen it with w/w!

[mithryl-draws]

i'm starting to see what everyone gets out of this dynamic.