#Saitou Dosan

[odaclan]

Saitou Dousan’s will, ceding Mino province to Nobunaga before his death

There exist this document that was supposedly written by Saitou Dousan, giving the lordship of Mino province to Nobunaga before his death. A copy is preserved in Myoukakuji in Kyoto, and another in the Osaka Castle Museum. There is a third source, purporting to be a copy of the will, that is recorded in a text called Gonouki 江濃記, the chronicles of goings-on in Mino and Oumi in the Sengoku period. 

What makes things sketchy is that apparently the contents of the letters differ from one another, and the writing style looks “wrong”. Of course, there’s a possibility that Dousan wrote 3 wills, and customised each letter instead of just rewriting the same text 3 times. As for the writing, it’s also possible that the original deteriorated, and subsequent generations copied it down for preservation.

However, it’s undeniable that documents where the handwriting is “strange” are things to be suspicious about. Case in point, the Bukouyawa, which according to the Ikoma family is a certified fraud. 

The summary of the will is to hand over the ownership of Mino to Nobunaga (thus giving Nobunaga the justification to attack Saitou Yoshitatsu), and also advising “Kankurou” (supposedly Dousan’s youngest son) to enter priesthood in Myoukakuji. Indeed, the 19th head priest in Myoukakuji, Reverend Nichijou 日饒��人 was rumoured to be this very same Kankurou.

Considering how Nobunaga’s favourite lodging in Kyoto is Myoukakuji, which he used more often than Honnouji, some people thought there might be some merit to this story. 

[drazudrazz]

Kichou's mother was the OG monsterfucker

[uo-mabushi]

1960s NobuKichou story idea ft.crossdressing

It's 1960s Japan and Nobunaga now has to deal with two sons (Nobutada and Nobukatsu) after his wife, Kitsuno, divorced him. It's a complicated situation and someone suggest that he should go look for a nanny or governess.

And just like that, he meets Nou, a glamorous yet strict 20-something woman who might just be the right teacher for his unruly boys.

“Nou” is actually Kichou, sent by the Saitou (Saitou Dosan is irl Kichou’s dad and was an adversary of Nobunaga) group to spy on the Odas. He’s able to nail the role down thanks to his ability to mimic a woman's (or any other person's) voice and his superior makeup skills. 

I have so many headcanons about this AU you have no idea.

[gobureis]

My personal SW5 impressions of characters after playing the game once (plus some lol)  

note: I’m talking about all of them as characters in a video game. 

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Nobunaga - ngl I love him. I feel his depiction might become a bit controversial among fans, but as a story it’s great imho.

Mitsuhide - I love him too lol deep down he’s pretty similar to his SW4 counterpart, but he also isn’t. He made different choices, and there are different settings (i.e. Akechi castle being burned down and his whole family dying) that made a difference, and then there’s his relationship with Nobunaga [but it isn’t just Nobunaga who influences Mitsuhide]

Hideyoshi - he’s such a fun character. It’s always a hit or miss with Hideyoshi and me in various media, and I admit i wasn’t a big fan of some parts of SW4 Hideyoshi, but this younger version who is all about making it big and becoming a powerful daimyou is refreshing and fun. There’s some rivalry between him and Mitsuhide (mostly one-sided), and respect for Ieyasu. The Hashiba group (Hideyoshi, Hanbei, Kazuuji, Kanbei) are very warm and almost family-like

Ieyasu - he’s also a nice character. I liked SW4 Ieyasu and the Tokugawa clan a lot, and you can still feel the bonds here as well. He’s very, not serious, but he knows he’s not good enough and he works really hard to become a good samurai. He’s very loyal to Nobunaga, and he’s like a puppy around him. It’s cute.

Imagawa Yoshimoto - he’s pretty much there only to be a villain

Shingen - I was never particularly interested in Shingen (and Takeda clan and Sanada clan as a whole in SW4) so having Shingen as the enemy officer only is like shrug (he’s fun in the Uesugi vs Takeda stage in Mitsuhide’s chapter, but his presence isn’t strong overall, I know there’s one Ieyasu stage where Takeda are with them but I forgot what it’s about)

Kenshin - LOL this time Kenshin got some Kanetsugu’s characterization so he’s very loud, very opinionated, and all about righteousness, which isn’t GI this time but TADASHIKI. At the moment, he’s a bit annoying (but I also felt that way about SW4 Kanetsugu at the beginning, and he’s among my faves now, so...)

Mouri Motonari - he’s also there to be a villain and he does it well. He’s not a nice grandfather, he’s dark and shrewd, and it’s very different from SW4. 

Azai Nagamasa - he’s different, I’m still not sure if in a good or bad way

Matsunaga Hisahide - he’s fun lol (I mean I liked his SW4 version, and I like his SW5′s one too) He’s not really a joke character anymore, and he’s VERY interested in Mitsuhide. I’m glad he stayed as a playable character.

Nouhime - (no one calls her Nouhime lol ETA: Sena does) she is a great character but unfortunately her ‘screen time’ is way too short. Her interactions are mostly limited to Nobunaga, but I guess I just need to trigger more in battle dialogues. I like what they did with her in the IF stories.

Mitsuki - she was such a delightful surprise. She’s written well, and I really like her story, and also her involvement in Nobunaga and Mitsuhide’s story

Toshiie - he’s pretty much the same as in SW4, he’s Nobunaga’s childhood friend and just follows whatever Nobunaga orders, without questioning it much (the furthest he went was before Hiei-zan, but nothing really came from it anyway). He has bigger role during the early chapters, after Mitsuhide joins Nobunaga, Nobunaga apparently forgets he already had a BFF? idk lol 

Katsuie - he became more handsome, but at the core, he’s pretty much the same Katsuie too. But this time they decided to make Katsuie loyal primarily to Oichi and make him her bodyguard (probably to avoid any potential creepiness considering Oichi’s age this time). Toshiie and Katsuie don’t really have any familial relationship, and Hideyoshi calls him “danna” lol

Oichi - she’s a... child, basically (and I did like the mother-like figure in SW4, especially in SW4-2), but she keeps growing on me. 

Saitou Toshimitsu - he’s extremely loyal to Mitsuhide and he follows him no matter what. They have a nice lord/vassal relationship very different from all lord/vassal relationships that were in SW4, so it’s refreshing

Yamanaka Shikanosuke - he’s a great character, he’s friends with Mitsuhide, and they both swore under the moon to become stronger, so they could protect those who were important to them, and that promise made them move forward. It’s a great friendship, but tragic. (as everything in this stupid game is) Although, I admit that at this time, more than his relationship with Mitsuhide, I’m more interested in his relationship with Mori Motonari and Kobayakawa Takakage.

Hanbei - omg I love this version of Hanbei a LOT. I feel like in SW4 he wasn’t around that much, and when he was I just focused more on Kanbei, but do I love him in SW5. His characterization is basically the same, but he’s also more soft? And more on equal ground with Hideyoshi, whom he calls ‘Hideyoshi’, and while their relationship isn’t THAT different, Hideyoshi’s personality and age makes it different, and I love it. Because of his time with Dosan, he gets a lot of ‘screen time’ this time around, so that’s great too.

Kanbei - Kanbei is... young LOL He appears pretty late in the game, so I didn’t have much time to really focus on him because this time, I focused more on Hanbei. Their senpai-kohai relationship is cute though

Nakamura Kazuuji - he’s... there. He has a nice relationship with Mitsuki, but we also never really see them interact properly or hear about their past (maybe the citadel events?), and he’s very loyal to Hideyoshi, so that’s cool too. Like I said above I like the Hashiba group. 

Sena - Sena is great, different from the other girls in this game, more mature. 

Tadakatsu - he’s like a big loud puppy who follows his master Takechiyo. I didn’t focus on him much tbh I’ve always preferred Ieyasu’s relationship with Hanzou, and that didn’t really change. And this time there was also Sena, so... Tadakatsu was... just there, more like an older brother than a vassal

Hanzou - also great. The age difference this time made some changes with his relationship with Ieyasu, and there’s no ‘shadow to Ieyasu’s light’ symbolism this time, but it is still a nice relationship. 

Sandayu - he’s a character that’s very present and he goes from a nice big brother figure to ********, but I haven’t really made an opinion about him yet. He’s a good character, but I like others more, basically.

Kobayakawa Takakage - hahahahaha he’s very self-centered and at first I was like you’re so annoying, but he also started to grow on me, so we’ll see (I definitely do prefer SW4 though). Although, this Kobayakawa and this Hanbei would work quite well together. I need to replay the Hashiba VS Mouri stages.

Saika Magoichi - he’s a nicer version of his SW4 version with no weird womanizer thing thrown in (yet). Unfortunately he only serves as a villain and you don’t really get to know his story, but he’s a person with integrity

Yasuke - Yasuke only joins at the very end of the game, and he’s very cool. He definitely works better than Ranmaru for what this story is about.

Oda Nobuyuki - he was a nice character. tbh they could have made him fully playable because he was present for two whole chapters but well... 

Okabe - idk you fight against him

Katsuyori - I like that Shingen calls him ‘Jirou’ LOL otherwise it didn’t really matter to me if he had a special design or not (but like I said I’m not interested in Takeda clan) - he’s voiced by the same guy who’s voicing Kobayakawa so when I don’t particularly pay attention I’m like why is Ieyasu fighting Kobayakawa? lol

Kikkawa Motoharu - ??? he’s there. he’s the muscles to Kobayakawa’s brain, I guess

Mouri Terumoto - he’s young, he feels the burden, but he doesn’t have much presence

Dousan - well, Dousan is Dousan

Saitou Yoshitatsu - at one moment he’s laughing like a cartoon villain

Asakura Yoshikage - he’s so good. He has a bigger presence that Nagamasa, and it’s a shame he wasn’t made fully playable. But he also never joined Nobunaga... he’s a really nice lord who cares about his territory and people, and does everything to protect them

Ashikaga Yoshiaki - your usual incompetent shogun, I guess

Mitsubushi Fujihide - I love him! He’s very loyal to the shogunate and Yoshiaki and does everything to protect him. (even though the shogun is the way he is)

aaaand done. Future me, how did your opinions change?

TOP 5 characters: Mitsuhide, Nobunaga, Hanbei, Hideyoshi, Toshimitsu

[daeva-agas]

Do you have any suggestions on where to get more info for Saitou Dosan?

Wikipedia Japan, for a starter. Then you can use that as a launchpad for finding other things. Has a lot of content, and better-sourced than English.

[odaclan]

Unlike the Oumi Samurai Warriors/Sengoku Musou special tour course taxis, the Gifu City’s samurai buses appear to be just regular city line buses. They’re just decorated with samurai artwork for aesthetic.

In the past, the artwork is done in a semi-realistic painting style, but quite recently they launched a new anime-style design. I wasn’t sure when this happened, but it looks to be sometime in 2019. They also added two new characters, Akechi Mitsuhide and Saitou Dousan. Previously they only had Nobunaga and Nouhime illustrations.

I’m not entirely familiar with the bus system, but it looks like the different bus colours operate diffferent lines. All the Nobunaga buses (green buses) are all operating the same line. The different illustrations are just there for variety (9 designs in total). The Nouhime bus is the “Yanagi line”. I wasn’t able to find which line do the Mitsuhide and Dousan buses belong to, but the red buses seems to be from the Seiryuu liner. 

[Gifu Nobunaga Bus website]

[Nouhime Yanabus line]

[Seiryuu liner website]