#Roman and Remus especially because

[maddragonfruit]

Half the characters in Sanders Sides dress like they were born before the 19th century which is why I have a cowboy OC and also why I think the orange side should dress like a baron or something

[creativitwincest]

Have you ever thought of them having a bunk bed? Who would get the top bunk?

I wanna say Remus cause he'd like to hang from it but also I kinda like the idea of him thinking he's the monster under Roman's bed if he had the bottom bunk!

(I'm now just thinking about Monster Under The Bed Remus and how fun that would be as an au...)

FUCK YEAH

Remus would enjoy being the monster under the bed, 100%, and would also enjoy the fact that he can do shit and Roman can't see him. Can't help imagining him making obscene sounds as a joke while just laying down in bed just to piss off Roman. I am still on my "Remus being his inappropriate self without giving it much thought vs. Roman giving it so much thought" agenda

Also ngl Roman would want the top bunk because he's a diva and he's special and he's above everyone else. Roman, to me, generally enjoys being on top of things. He would hate being UNDER Remus as stupid as it sounds. To me. I just see him as a top bunk person. Remus 100% climbs up there regularly though

[pumpkin-padparadscha]

just did a reread of a fic where the premise is that there's a trap that makes dopplegangers of everyone in the adventuring party using the party's perceptions of each other as the basis for the copies

which has a lot of fun implications revealing what people think of each other, since the copies had to be destroyed by the person who the template came from

also trying to figure out who is a fake based on what traits get exaggerated or misremembered

but i am of course thinking of the situation being utilized in a remrom au for an accidental feelings reveal

[noblest-roman-of-them-all]

"It's not their job to care about anything else." That is such an important concept to this series and one I genuinely don't think is talked about out considered enough.

As the series continues the Sides have gotten a lot deeper and have gotten a lot of character development, but they are still only Sides of Thomas's personality, still only concentrated aspects of one individual, not each an individual unto himself.

Remus and Roman can't necessarily care about Thomas's health and well being because that's not the part of Thomas they embody. They still care about Thomas, but they are constrained by their assigned roles in his life.

Remus absolutely cares about Thomas, if he didn't he wouldn't offer any input on anything, if he didn't he wouldn't be antagonizing Logan with things like "won't fix this guy all by yourself" and "but who do you really want to scream that at?".

Remus is playing the long game with Janus, while Roman is fighting to keep his head above water.

Each Side caring so strongly about his own role, is him caring for Thomas because at the core of each of them they are Thomas.

Roman fighting so hard to save face is Thomas ignoring an issue with himself. And Remus and Janus being antagonistical toward Roman and Logan is the inner conflict of Thomas trying to face a problem within himself.

Remus has to care about Thomas, he just does it in an unusual way.

Y'know, it always bothered me when people said that Remus is the only sides that doesn't care about Thomas well-being and health. First of all, I do think he cares, but even if he doesn't... neither does Roman.

Calm down, I'm not saying that Roman doesn't care about Thomas, but that he cares about things like his dreams, career, reputation and goals.

In Why do we get ouf ot bed in the morning when asked by Thomas "You don't want me to live a long, healthy life?" Roman's answer is a nonchalant "I mean, like, sure, whatever" and in that same video he basically says that Thomas should use time that could/should be spent taking care of his healthy in pursuit of his dreams, even going as far as saying "who needs sleep when you could be writing".

And as much as Roman likes to pretend he cares about the same things the others do, it's... not his job to care about those things. And neither is Remus'.

Actually, when you think about it, Remus and Roman care about the same thing: Thomas' reputation, goals, dreams and career, even if Remus has... questionable opinions about how to pursue those things, because, again, it's not their job to care about anything else.

So Remus cares about Thomas. He cares about the thing that he's supposed to care about, as creativity.

[orbch]

another stupid sasi mv but its short and. and… well not sweet.

anyways im gonna talk about it more so pop this bad boy open ⬇️⬇️⬇️

okay yeah this is creativitwins and patton centric. NO SHOCKER. i kinda wanted to show how i think that roman and remus were split purely on the basis that there needed to be a “good” creativity, meant to be put on a pedestal, and a “bad” creativity, meant to be hidden and locked away forever. like thats the entire reason they exist.

and i do also believe patton was responsible for the split, but absolutely NOT out of malicious intent. not even close. listen, when outside influences are telling you that “bad thoughts” are going to land you into eternal damnation, and ALSO you’re like 7 years old, it’s completely understandable to react such a way. not excused, but understandable. i think patton, in a state of complete emotional and mental distress, TRULY believed that splitting creativity would keep c!thomas safe.

and naturally everyone came out of it a littleeee fucked up. i hc that logan and king creativity had been very close before the split, and as you might expect, seeing someone you are the closest with split in half and permanently altered would make you kinda apathetic (especially on the topic of others emotions and your own bonds). and janus, having just watched someone die because of just being themself and living their truth unabashedly, kicked his ass into full “self defense via deceit” mode. and virgil (who at this point represents every kind of fear, rational and irrational) just watched someone get split into subjective “good” and “bad” halves and thought, in no better words, “holy shit I’m next”

shoutout to @heartwitchhouse for inspiring a part of this pmv!!! it was the cross blade thing btw LOLLOL

okay now for the stills because capcut turned my art into mashed potatoes (that was pissing me off btw. sigh. sorry about the sandpaper quality) (its also only letting me add 8. so im doing my faves 030)

[xxshadowcasterxx]

Sanders Sides but their Emotions affect their Forms and stuff and so at some point they're all just falling apart and it's very clear

Roman is so scared of that "Perfect Heroic Mask" he wears cracking and revealing just how insecure he is and how weak he feels after SvS Redux, that one day he wakes up and there's cracks in his face and arms that resemble peeling paint.

Virgil is terrified of being perceived as scary and unwanted and dangerous after he admits to being a Dark Side to Thomas, and one day he realizes he has fangs because he feels like he's a Monster.

Logan feels so unseen and ignored by the others, especially after his outburst in the "Orange Incident" (and it not even working) that one day he becomes invisible and inaudible to all of the other sides.

Janus feels like Thomas and the others will never actually listen to his point of view if it's him speaking without using another person's tactics, and then he suddenly can't control when he changes form or who he looks like, but all he knows is that he change back into himself.

Patton feels so bad about trying so hard to be in the driver's seat and feels like he only gets in the way of the others and Thomas, so he suddenly begins growing in size in response.

Remus, meanwhile, is getting tired of all of his contributions getting shot down no matter the context, and so he begins to sporadically shrink because he feels undervalued.

At some point, it takes all of them reflecting on how they feel and actually communicating with each other for them to return to normal, and altogether move forward with new perspectives and a new understanding of each other.

[jammedoutskeleton27]

... Can I offer you some suggestions, @scribblesun?

Janus has hammerspace in both his hat and capelet.

Virgil has super speed, leaving puffs of smoke behind him (this might also be an abused power as he has stolen from Janus and Logan in the main series)

Roman & Remus have physical/visible thought bubbles and can interact with them (and pull things out of them)

Patton moves in the rubberhose animation style (it's also kinda fun but creepy imagining Remus to do the same)

Logan can think and speak at super quickly, and seems to make lots of (good and well thought out) assumptions but is always right

And going of the theory that, yet to be revealed, Orange is the embodiment of rage; he would would be the one to have the steaming fire coming from his face based on his emotions (although I also like imagining Logan also having it, but in more of a malfunctioning robot way when confused)

Hammerspace: where an object comes from/goes when a cartoon character pulls out impossible objects from nowhere (copied from previous post)

Rubberhose: the older black & white animation style in which characters move without discernable bones, making them super bendy

Added note in case of confusion, feel free to ignore all below:

I am going to add this note here because I feel a little bad about it and just putting the first vague idea down, I had no idea what to give Logan.

I do still like the idea but I don't know if I described it very well; it was supposed to be like that (anime?) trope when a character is just so stupidly intelligent that it hurts, especially when the answers are so confusing that no human could be expected to make them. Purposefully exaggerated example; Akechi Touma from 'The Disastrous Life of Saiki K.'

[lookupthewordjokeinthedictionary]

Hihi, remember how in DWIT Virgil told Remus that he thought he was a terrible disease? Probably because he made Thomas uncomfortable?

What stops Virgil from having the same mindset pre AA? What if the reason he put on a dark persona in the first place was because he saw himself as the villain, as the terrible illness?

After all, he made Thomas uncomfortable as well, that's his job!

Oh, and what stops him from believing it in the future? Especially now that he doesn't have Patton's support, he's lost his "dark side friends" and Thomas seems to be spiralling down a dangerous road because of him and Roman?

Hihi!

[anotheroceanid]

Second timeline Perse avoids fading due to the smitting bc by the time Zeus tried she had already established herself very firmly in culture (due to horny reinasscense artists), created demigods communities full of people who worshiped her more than some gods and since Apollo is one dramatic bitch they're always competting with Hades and Persephone for favorite greek god couple. After all, gods only fully fade when they're completely forgotten

NO WAIT

Apollo competing with Hades and Persephone for favourite Greek godly couple is so real, and Hades would just say: well, we won since you and her aren't an actual couple

Apollo: ☠️☠️☠️

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She doing little things like saving Astyanax and helping Romulus and Remus ended up in her becoming a huge figure in culture (especially because the Roman’s would make an mostly Athenian god saving two Roman babies their entire personality)

[part-time-zombie]

Does anyone else talk about how the different ways the sides names were revealed can often be analogous to the different ways folks come out about their queer identity?

Logan didn't reveal his name by choice, patton did it for him. Thomas was surprised by logans name, mostly by the implications of the sides having names instead of just titles and nicknames. Patton didn't seem to think too much about revealing logans name, and logan didn't seem too worried/upset about it either. His relationship with his name seems awfully casual, like it doesn't bother him if people know his name or not.

Patton in turn waited for a little later to reveal his name, finding the best timing. He even took advantage of the opportunity by using his name reveal as pun ammunition, reveling in the chance to now make more puns based on his name. He was excited to reveal his name, especially now that it can pave the way for more fun and bonding with the others now that they know more about him.

Roman kept it quiet for a bit, holding it close to his chest until he was ready. When he and thomas were alone, sharing their thoughts on self worth and value, he revealed his name so as to help them both get closer. This was a private, emotionally intimate moment where they were opening up about sensitive topics, and roman figured there was no better moment than this one.

Virgil was scared about the whole thing. It was a huge step for him to be so open about such a personal secret, and he avoided it for as long as he could. But when the others reached out to him and made him realize his importance with the group he's grown to call a family, he knew he was ready to share this with them. It was a big step and he was clearly scared, but his trust was well placed.

Remus came into the scene loud and clear. He was ready for people to know and see him, because whatever they thought about him was their problem. He played along with the nickname game for a bit, but when the others expressed confusion about exactly what he is supposed to be/represent, he gave them the answer, bluntly and clearly. His lack of tact and fear actually surprised everyone, since the others were more reluctant to share their names, but remus didn't care about keeping secrets.

Janus loved to keep secrets, especially his own. The less people knew about him the better. He knew more than anyone that people can be gossipy, judgemental rumor mills that spread sensitive secrets like pollen in the wind, and he wasn't about to let himself get caught up in the drama of it all. Besides, with how the others have been treating him, why should they know anything about him? He felt that they didn't care about him, so a name reveal would be unwarranted. When it was proven that he had a seat at the table like the rest, and that his input was indeed wanted, he knew they would be willing to trust him. It would only be fair to trust them in return, starting with his name.

Idk where I was going with this, something something signs of trust and openness with the group and the complex relationship people have with a secret that they feel can define their identity.

[idleindy]

8 years of Sanders Sides!

I can't believe that it's been so long already, I was 14 at the time (I'm 22 now!) and watching short Thomas's videos helped get me through difficult times in school, and then Sanders Sides started and the rest, as they say, was history.

I really don't know how to put into words just how much Sanders Sides has helped me deal with my own mental health, in large part I am the person I am today because of this series. I love all of the characters, but Roman and Virgil are especially dear to my heart because their individual story lines really helped me out when I was having a tough time back in highschool.

From learning how to accept and deal with anxiety from Virgil, that there's no 'right' creativity from Roman and Remus, that sometimes you need to be selfish (and that's okay!) from Janus, dealing with all emotions and not just the happy ones from Patton, and having patience and speaking up for yourself from Logan; I have learned a lot from these guys.

[dead-inside-demiboy]

I still enjoy Sander sides a fuck ton, but I've been out of the fandom for years now. That being said, I've been rewatching it recently and here's a really cool thing I've noticed!

So while they are characters and all of the sides feel fully fleshed out and realistic, they are also aspects personified and it was done SO WELL

Like of course Logan would get very stuck up and controlling with certain stuff, that's how logic operates. Especially with adhd, logic is usually the voice of guilt in the back of your head when you do things wrong. On the other end, logic is also silly, you sometimes remember something random for no reason. And of course Logan gets ignored a lot! How often do you listen to your logic 100%?

Of course Roman is grand and has large ambitions too big for his boots, that's what creativity feels like. Yes, Roman will be self centered, because if you're an artist (like Thomas) creativity is a big source of pride for you, especially if you post online. Roman being insecure makes sense when you think of imposter syndrome and how popular Thomas is. Obviously Roman loves Disney and cartoons, they actively spur on creative juices.

Of course Patton is pushy and controlling with his beliefs, that's what morality does! Growing up religious would only make that more extreme. Of course he's commonly listened to and taken at face value, your ethics/morals are some of the heaviest driving forces when they kick in, and it takes a lot to shift them. Obviously he's the least mature, your morals are instilled when you're young and you never really grow out of them. But he's also a dad because older male figures are stereotypically the ones that teach you morals in the first place!

Of course Virgil is so rude in the beginning but gets an acceptance arc, anxiety is a bitch to live with that fucks with everything else, but you need to learn to work with it, not against it, similar to any other emotion. He used to be part of the dark sides cause when you don't know what to do with feelings like that, you end up pushing them down or hurting yourself. He hates not being taken seriously because when you completely ignore and blow off your alarm bells it puts you in active danger!

Speaking of, Dark sides tangent! First of all, they aren't really the "bad" parts, they're just the parts of Thomas that he bottled up or tried to hide from himself. And the name "dark sides" is so good, cause it's like the dark side of the moon! Just as important as the light side, just different, harder to see if you aren't actively looking, and often ignored or viewed as "worse"

Tangent over. So!

Of course Janus's main role is to hide the other dark sides! He's representation of what happens when somebody hides parts of themselves. He has a villian and snake persona cause of religious reasons and because deceit is viewed as one of those bad things that need to be bottled up! He is at the core of a lot of self preservation and caring of others because for Thomas, that is the only time he's used Deceit so it's all that he can do.

Of course Remus is equally as prideful as Roman, he has the same issues with imposter syndrome! Of course he has a bunch of gore and sex jokes/ideas, he's the creative parts that morals state are "bad". Unlike Roman who's usually on topic, Remus goes constantly off tangent because that is what your wilder/more experimental side of creativity does! It just spits shit out and you figure out what sticks!

Its very similar to Greek mythology and idk! I just love when personification is done super well while making the characters still feel human!

[nightingale2004]

Severus as a vampire hcs

Credit to @intotheswollenriver for inspiring me

I personally would feel like it would be a Dhampir situation for Severus. His mother is a vampire, and his father is obviously human

The Prince family would've been one of the few vampire families still existing, and they would've originated from Romania

Severus would not be as powerful as a normal full blooded vampire, but since he is also a wizard, he would still be considered powerful

Eileen fed him blood when he was younger, but Severus didn't know.

Severus wouldn't know he was a vampire until either before he got his Hogwarts letter or after

As he grew up, his normal human scent changed into a scent similar to death, and his fangs started coming in slowly

Lily would NOT know he was a vampire or, in this case, half vampire.

Severus (I feel) would've hated drinking blood from both animals and humans when he was younger (you can't tell me he wasn't sensitive about that) but he went for animal blood since it somewhat satisfied him

Severus would've had a suspicion about Remus much earlier due to his scent of wet dog, which separated him from every other witch and wizard around them

Similar to Wolfsbane, he would've made himself a potion of his own creation to become a blood substitute to satisfy his cravings. He makes enough to last him years (he's prepared)

His powers/abilities other than magic, potions, and alchemy would include enhanced strength, speed, heightened senses, and maybe even compulsion

Normally, Severus would have control, and he would be able to retract his fangs and hide any of his vampire features.

When his hunger gets too much, his eyes will turn dark blood red to light blood red, his fangs will show, he'll become fidgety, his senses will kick in overdrive, and he'll become overwhelmed. It will also become very difficult for him to stop from ripping everyone around him apart, but he manages to make it.

When he goes into a frenzy, it will take minutes up to a few hours to calm down and gather himself. He also makes sure to isolate himself very deep into the forbidden forest with lots of animal prey and no human scent in his sight or in his vicinity

He goes into the forbidden forest, not just for ingredients for his potions but to also hunt and to "set the beast free" along with train and control his vampire abilities

After the 'prank', Remus found out about Severus's vampire side, and Severus made sure that Lupin wouldn't breathe a word of his secret to anyone, especially his friends or else he will take Lupin down with him

I want to believe he can also turn into a bat (i will leave that to you all to decide)

He hates the sunlight or sunny days (no. It can't kill him. It just annoys him and gives him headaches)

Prefers cloudy days

Dumbledore obviously knows

Severus self-taught himself control from a very young age since there wasn't anyone to help teach him

Similar to Rosalie from Twilight, he won't drink the blood from bad people. He will probably see it as tainted or bad.

He saw himself as a monster for a very long time, and he still does to this day

He ages more slowly than normal people due to his vampire blood

His appearance will be normal. Pale skin, skinny, black eyes, black hair, and roman nose. But his vampire blood will sharpen his features and some of his bone structure, build him a little muscle but nothing too noticeable, paler than usual, his hair will have something more to it than normal (idk what, tho), and his gaze and presence will also have an unspoken power to it

Voldemort, along with many of the death eaters, doesn't know about him being a Dhampir

The only people who truly know about his vampire side are Lucius, Narcissa, Regulus, Remus, and Dumbledore (Regulus figured it out by himself)

Lucius and Narcissa both have given Severus their permission to feed off them if needed

Remus is very frightened of Severus, but he feels some sense of common ground with Severus because he's not the only dark creature he knows of anymore.

Severus (much to his deep regret) granted Remus access to Severus's hunting grounds in the forbidden forest, so Lupin can "wolf out" every full moon without endangering lives.

Severus has cast many protection and glamor spells on the hunting grounds, so that way no one other than himself and Lupin had access to the hunting grounds and no one outside can enter the area

Vampire blood can heal wounds and is often used in healing potions

Severus is immune to garlic and crosses, but pure silver stings him a little bit but not fatally

He can eat normal food

Has tasted werewolf blood before, but it tasted unappealing and disgusting like acid

Has tasted human blood on more than one occasion, but it's like sugar to him. Very addicting and difficult to control, but he manages through it

[let-roman-bite-someone]

this is something i’ve been ruminating on ever since WTIT came out.

i’ve been thinking about this connection for a while. Virgil’s anxiety can lead to cognitive distortions if taken too far (a.k.a if Thomas beats himself up over something) and these cognitive distortions are Remus’s creations. this is interesting, it’s interesting to see how Virgil’s and Remus’s roles overlap and almost compliment each other, but in an unhealthy way.

but this just makes it all the more confusing as to why Virgil wasn’t present in WTIT, and why he seemed so unbothered in the endcard. i once aired this confusion on here and most people said that it was like Logan in Moving On, Virgil was still present within Thomas, he just didn’t take a physical form.

this doesn’t make sense to me because when Logan sunk out, Thomas had trouble thinking logically at first. he gets around to it eventually, but it’s clear that while Logan wasn’t completely gone, his disappearance made a significant impact on the group. Virgil was having a panic attack, Roman was urging Thomas to act on impulse, Patton was confused and lost.

it’s clear this is not the case in WTIT. in an episode that is so heavily centered around anxiety and - dare i say - paranoia, it’s baffling that Virgil was almost completely unaffected. especially since, again, he seemed fine in the end card. he was a little bitter towards Patton, but that’s all.

i’m just curious as to whether there was a canonical reason for this. for why Virgil wasn’t involved in an episode where Thomas was constantly panicking over dangers that might take place.

especially since,

1. Thomas is worried about something Virgil has mentioned before, being alone/losing his loved ones.

2. Thomas did something that Virgil has canonically been shown to care about in the past - not following up on his plans to be productive.

3. fake!Nico says WORD FOR WORD what Virgil suggested during the debate - AND both scenarios were about a potential love interest not replying to Thomas’s text.

of course, Virgil has greatly improved since the negative thinking episode, but he is still anxiety. and Thomas is still an anxious person. and Thomas was visibly freaking out throughout WTIT so it’s really really unlikely that Virgil was just in the backseat for that episode.

Logan temporarily “leaving” (but still being present) in Moving On makes sense because it was an emotional episode, and Thomas needed to sort things out with his emotional sides a.k.a Patton, Roman and Virgil (mainly Patton). there was logic involved but it wasn’t a logic-centric episode.

WTIT was 100% an anxiety-centric episode.

i doubt that this was accidental. there are so many direct parallels and callbacks, it had to be intentional. there’s no way Thomas and crew just forgot that Virgil played a crucial role in creating cognitive distortions. i think there’s something deeper here, there must be a reason why Virgil wasn’t present for this episode and how he seemed so nonchalant when he did appear. there’s absolutely no way Virgil was just “present within Thomas” and didn’t feel the need to show up in person.

[yomica12345]

Royal AU?

I know there are plenty of Royal AUs in the Sanders Sides fandom already but... If I were to do one who would you want to be royalty? I may take the results of this poll into consideration as I'm coming up with my concept, but I'll give you a little peek of what to expect by sharing my placeholder title: Royals and Wizards. Are the royals not going to be wizards or are they wizards themselves? Who knows? Also I may have multiple Princes so... make sure to reblog especially if it means others may want the same side(s) to be royalty. But the first place vote will be the concept I will ultimately be going with for this au.

Here are possible concepts for what each side(s) au may be like if they're at the top of the poll:

Roman and Remus:

Two brothers fighting for the crown as their parents aren't exactly sure which of them is the oldest. In order to have a chance at the crown they must find love and be the first to marry. Who would find love first or would it just be a race to get someone to agree to a marriage?

Virgil:

Virgil never wanted the responsibility of a kingdom to be placed on his shoulders but with the King and Queens passing the mantel will soon fall to him. Unable to handle the stress Virgil decides to run away to try and escape the responsibility. Will he be able to escape the crown or will he be found in time to be crowned king?

Logan:

Prince Logan has got it bad for Virgil. (Yes, Analogical because I'm obsessed) But betrothed from a young age Logan has to decide to whether to take up his responsibility as the prince to marry someone for the good of the kingdom or take the decision into his own hands and go with the man he truly loves. (In this one Logan would most likely be a wizard so wizard antics would definitely play a part in the story)

Patton:

As heir to the thrown Patton needs to find someone who he can trust to rule along side him and in order to this a selection is held. (Yes like based off the Selection Series but make it gay and Sander Sides) Meeting with different suitors Patton has trouble narrowing the list of suitors down. Will he be able to find The One?

Janus:

Janus has had a rivalry with a prince of a neighboring kingdom since he was young. (Not sure who the other prince would be yet) Wanting to get back at this other prince he sneaks into their kingdom and their sleeping quarters in order to steal something as leverage against them. However his plan goes awry as he's caught and his lies have him committing himself to spying on himself for this prince who actually just wants to win his heart. Will Janus end up developing feelings back? He certainly hopes not.

P.S. I might come out with another poll later for who you may want to see as a wizard.

[ascenari0]

JANUS & VIRGIL LONG POST

so I’m just going to write this all down as I listen to the recording of myself talking about it with key notes (edit note, this is just me writing things I say on the recording so if it’s random or whatever ignore it)

Virgil and Janus’ relationship is probably one of the most intriguing things about sanders sides to me right now. I’ve always wanted to know more about the two (and Remus included) and their dynamics of when they all where “dark sides”. We’ve never really gotten that but hints and slips of things.

“Just Like old times.” - Remus to Virgil in DWIT

“You’re so Funny Virgil, you always have been.” -Janus in end card scene, embarrassing phases

I find that these two possibly had a bit of a parental relationship? It’s referenced in the Five Yr AnniversaryVid with Remus and Janus being the Aunt and Uncle and Virgil being the cousin of the light sides family. (If that makes sense.)

I find that Janus is quite mean but in a not super direct way..? (Yes i know he is being purposefully mean). He is very sarcastic and give quick quips to the sides, (Roman especially oof-). He is like this to Virgil too yet on Virgils side, Virgil is very direct and sort of hateful to Janus to the point of literally hissing at him when he enters the room. (Are there Healthy Distractions?)

It really makes me wonder what MADE Virgil hate Janus the way he does now.

Another thing I end up ranting ab in my recording is the theory of what their relationship was like before Virgil joined the light sides. I begin to talk about how Virgil is much more immature and shows more.. teenage-ish behavior in the beginning, to where he was more of a menace and less of someone trying to help. (This changes as the series goes on to accepting anxiety.) Virgil in the beginning (I believe.) had no intention of being a light side, he merely presented himself and just did his job, before slowly but surely just trying to help. He was mean because that’s what he thought he had to do. (His job)

…

I wonder who he got that idea from.

So before he went over to the light sides (it is shown numerous amounts of times the sides communicate off screen) that Virgil definitely complained or maybe vented to Janus (and Remus) about the light sides as janus possibly gave him advice on how to get his methods across.. (idk I was spitballing in the recording) to a point where when he began to grow.. he did less of those methods.. slowly saying things like.. “I’m not always the bad guy..”

Soon (possibly) resenting Janus for it? But anyway.. I say that their beginning (of series) relationship was and I quote “a teenager complaining to their parent about their terrible day at school..” which makes sense I think.

I don’t know. This recording and this post was made at 3:30 am. I just really want to know more ab these two.

Like it’s SOOO implied they know each other (obviously) and Virgil knowing Janus’ behaviors and quirks to the point of Virgil recognizing Janus in “Can Lying Be Good?”, Like..?!

Another last bonus thing, as a youngster I did NOT trust anxiety AT ALL. Little me really had beef with him for some reason. Point for this one is I definitely thought something was going to happen with Janus and Virgil when they met up or something, I don’t know where that theory came from, it kinda reminds me of Kovu and Zira? Random ik (I warned you) but how she raised kovu to defeat simba, like we know kovu had no intention of being good or falling in love, like I said earlier I used to think Virgil had no intention of being a light side or wanting to actually contribute, but ended up caring for this group and his new family, that when Janus in the end of embarrassing phases showed up and said “very well done virgil” I almost lost my shit ready for it to be a “well done kovu, just as we planned” moment, but Virgil proved younger me wrong by not like.. turning? Or revealing he was secretly evil which tbh would’ve been cool as hell but I’m happy he didn’t. Idk. I just wanted to bring up the Kovu Virgil parallel that lives in my head. (Remus is Nuka no?)

That’s all I’ve got. Thanks for reading. I have more if you want on others. (Or I’ll make that video idk.)