#Race and Ethnicit

[nyaskitten]

Girl why does Dreamzzz got no arabs... like this show has so many characters of different races and ethnicites but we still can't get any arab Lego characters aside from . the Djinn . and they don't get to count because they aren't even human . :/

[presidentofthelipglossclub]

something that really upsets me is when people equate "character with dark skin" to "black character"

because there are many other races/ethnicites that have dark skin and pretending that all dark skinned characters are black or "black coded" is... not the representation and activism that some people think it is.

i mean, it's super disrespectful to both the actual race the character is and black people. the different ethnicities have completely different cultures and perceiving/presenting them as the same thing is ignorant and actually kinda racist. like you couldn't be bothered to learn the difference between the races??

and also as a brown person we already get no rep, so when we very rarely do get a desi character who's actually dark skinned (not that there aren't light skinned desis, but that's the beauty standard for us bc of the eurocentric idea of beauty resulting from colonization) and fandom tries to argue that they must be mixed or are black/black coded, it feels bad!! ofc people can have headcanons, but most of the time it feels very much like performative activism. black and brown people are different, and erasing our representation kinda sucks!

also this is related to all the people who call (east/lighter skinned) asians white when they really aren't, and who argue that changing asian characters' races is ok because there are dark skinned asians. like yes, there are dark skinned asians (desis and arabs), but we are also a completely distinct culture from east asians, and saying that we and they are the same is, again, ignorant.

idk. i know i don't usually post stuff like this but it really bothers me when people try to act like all dark skinned races are the same, and when they act like all asians are the same. desis are our own distinct group, not just an extension of others.

[blorbologist]

If a child inherits 50% of their dna from their parents, and their sibling also inherits 50%, the siblings share 50% with each other. But if, for example, one child’s ancestry results are different from their sibling’s, what happens to the non inherited ethnicites(?)? Like, if one parent is mixed race and the other is full, I know the children receive a randomized half of each, but what happens to the rest? Is it passed down or is it in the junk dna? I took a test with my sib and I’m confused :/

Hi anon!

Before we start, I'll clarify that my speciality is animal behavior, ecology and evolution, with some neurobio thrown into the mix - so any geneticists are free to correct me if I stumbled on any of this!

Walk with me, here:

You get 50% of your DNA from one parent, and 50% from the other. Right? Pretty standard. What DNA this is will vary wildly, because you're only getting one of any two alleles each parent has. During Meiosis, your parent's chromosomes are duplicated, mix things up a little, randomly* assort, and split to form gametes with half of that parent's alleles. Due to the sheer numbers at play, roughly half* of the DNA in each gamete will end up being the same (so 25% the same from the sire, 25% the same from the dam). But the gist of it is you'll end up with a roughly 50% overlap with what your sibling got... but half their DNA is different, remember.

For instance, I have blue eyes and my brother's are brown. Due to our knowledge of our family tree, we know this is due to a coinflip with our dad's eye color alleles - he got that blue allele from his blue-eyed father, and the brown allele from his mother. Which means I have one of my grandfather's blue eye alleles, but not my grandmother's.

Does that mean I have less of my grandmother's DNA? No! The eye color gene is just one of many, many, many, and a more obvious visible marker than a mutation midway through some random protein that doesn't give me lovely baby blues. Iirc my blood type is more in line with hers, but I'd need to check.

Where am I going with this?

Well, the way a DNA test decides who you're related is by zeroing in on very specific genes that are commonly found in X populations. It's not a 100% match, because humans migrate and mingle a lot, but it offers an educated guess based on probabilities. It's looking for the obvious blue vs brown eyes in your DNA, so to speak.

DNA tests are not looking at *all* your DNA, just at specific areas with known associations. You both likely have roughly the same total % of DNA from those ancestors, it’s just that some of the many coinflips didn't favor keeping those genetic markers used to identify these ethnicities in simple tests. You and your sibling likely each carry a host of traits from those same ancestors that aren't simple brown/blue markers, so to speak. Maybe your sibling inherited an allele commonly seen in X population, but you’re the lucky one who got the toenail shape or what have you.

However, if you don't have that specific allele, it's gone for good. My dad's brown eye allele he got from his mother is not hiding in my back pocket, or in another patch of DNA. It was not included in that original gamete, so I just... flat out do not have it. It ended up in some other sperm cell that didn't get quite so lucky. Likewise, if you don't have X genetic markers, you just don't have them. There have been generations of these coinflips, on top of chromosomal crossover events, and it just so happens that these markers stuck around until this generation - it's luck they made it far enough to be in your parent! There's still ample DNA in you from that ancestor, just less obviously linked to that branch of your family tree.

TLDR: you likely inherited more than what the test is telling you, because it's just looking at obvious makers associated with those populations. However, what markers you didn’t get you flat out do not have (because they ended up in different gametes).

I hope that was a bit of help anon! <3

Also obligatory disclaimer, DNA ancestry tests can and will sell your genetic data to anyone on the market, including informing insurance companies of predispositions to certain illnesses among other things. I recommend people keep their genetic info under lock and key so it does not get used against you or your relatives. Said brown-eyed brother o mine did a test before we knew how shady these companies are, so the best I can hope for is that our overlapping 50% doesn't include anything they'd care to hold against me 🙃

Anon, maybe check the TOS of the service you used and see if you can opt out? I'm not optimistic but you never know! ;; Just be careful going forward. It's not the end of the world, but it might bite you and your parents in the butt going forward.

*The DNA you get from each parent is not completely random, because some alleles are linked due to being very close on the chromosome and thus less likely to be swapped around. Plus some recessive combinations might be nonviable and so those gametes never end up producing viable zygotes. And sex-linked genes. It's fun :D

[yinlotus]

question/discussion topic for my black american followers:

have you heard of soulaan as a word to describe us? and if so, what do you think of it?

for those that don't know, soulaan is an endonym (i.e created by us) for our ethnicity that was coined over a year ago. the base 'soul' comes from our culture that includes soul food and soul music, while the ending '-aan' comes from "african american nation". variants include: soulaa and soulaani (both of which can have the double aa or single a)

i thought it was nice but then i saw concerning stuff like this that made me go "yikes":

some of the people that use it are black separatists, use it to fuel diaspora hostility, etc.

it doesn't seem very popular right now outside of like tiktok or pinterest. but it's been gaining popularity throughout 2023.

some people criticize it as not wanting to learn our individual ancestry blends (i.e the ethnic groups we'd get from a dna test)

personally i'd be fine with the term because as i see it, this would make it less controversial both in and out of our identity:

afro-american/black american: anyone of full or partial sub-saharan african ethnic descent who are citizens or permanent residents of the united states. (race + nationality)

soulaa: any black american who's culture and heritage is tied to the united states. (ethnicity)

american descendant of slavery/foundational black american: any soulaani that uses their identity to push a, usually nationalist, separatist, or supremacist political stance. (ethno-political identity)

from my understanding, any polarity in regards to the current terms stem from:

people confusing denonyms, ethnonyms (endonyms and exonyms), and ethnotopynyms with each other

identities and labels are very different between countries + identities that start with afro-/black aren't usually ethnicites outside of the americas

polysemic vs monosemic terms (e.g being "black" can be referring to race or the american ethnicity)

probably some other stuff i forgot to add

also, to me, the word is just cute and fun to say. "sō-lahn" haha 🥰 i think i'll try using the term to see how i like it.

feel free to correct me on any definitions that might be incorrect!

[otnesse]

I'll respect anyone who defends Ariel as a character, especially her classic rendition of her, regardless of specific viewpoints or orientations. She's an iconic character, a character who for better or worse did nevertheless save Disney from certain bankruptcy/corporate mergers. And she definitely was very well-rounded and more than earned her place as a popular character for a variety of reasons, controversial or otherwise. I'll also add that Ariel, even if she did help form the Renaissance Princess line and had some traits there, was ultimately closer overall to the Classic line in that she was actually willing to marry a guy and overall was adhering to traditional femininity ultimately, even if a bit unorthodox due to her more eccentric nature.

However, one thing I am definitely not fond of regarding any comments about Ariel (and I'm specifically referring to comments meant to praise or defend Ariel. Obviously any comments that try to diss, belittle, or demonize Ariel using inaccurate and unflattering terms like "boy-crazy" or "spoiled" I'm not going to tolerate. If you must criticize a character, at least make sure your criticisms actually match UP with the character as presented in the source material. That's my motto. If you criticize her as naive, a bit too head-strong, reckless, or anything like that, I'd at least respect that you're criticizing her for flaws she DID possess in the actual film and expanded universe, even if I disagree with the disliking of her.) is claiming that Ariel was a gay allegory. Yes, I know Howard Ashman was gay and played a major influence on her development. But Glen Keane also played as much of a role in her character development as well (not just contributing to her physical design, he also wrote much of the template for what her overall character is like, including rather underappreciated aspects like how, despite not getting along with her father, she ultimately did care for his well-being), and he's firmly straight, and in fact he partly modeled Ariel's iconic design after his wife. And quite frankly, since the whole point of an allegory is to convey a message in an indirect manner while otherwise-and this is the biggest point to be made in the definition-getting the intended message across (case in point, Animal Farm was meant to be an allegorical condemnation of Stalinism due to the events of World War II pretty much making any direct criticism of the Soviet system intenable due their technically being allies in our fight against the Axis Powers. A mistake if you ask me, but I digress...), having a character explicitly fall in love with someone of the opposite sex regardless of differing species or races or ethnicites or what have you is an extremely poor way to do a gay metaphor if you ask me (since the entire POINT of homosexuality is that you're attracted to the same sex. When you have a character who clearly falls for someone of the opposite sex to try and convey gay stuff, you pretty much missed the point of allegory and metaphor.).

Plus, it also ends up excluding and even unnecessarily othering quite a few people who are themselves straight, and more specifically straight men, yet have completely high regard for the character for a variety of reasons. Like me for example. I've been very fond of Ariel since I was a boy, and if I viewed Ariel as a metaphor for anything it's the challenges with being on the autism spectrum, including being othered and looked down upon while barely even being given an actual chance to prove yourself, especially when I was language delayed. And I might as well add, I'm straight, and in fact, I actually DREW Ariel naked in my early teens partly because of attraction to her, among other things like how they generally had mermaids not wearing tops at all. And she's far from the only character I drew naked either, nor even the first (I think I started drawing nude girls as early as second grade after watching H2-Uh-Oh, an episode of Robocop Alpha Commando. You'll remember the episode as having Elsa Lustig, a woman who turned into water and spent nearly the entire episode naked as a result). And to this day, I'm still attracted to females. In fact, part of the reason why The Little Mermaid was such a huge success story was because it was marketed towards literally everyone, boy or girl, and it had a lot of aspects people could like about the movie (I for one actually viewed it as one heck of a good action-adventure flick, even with the romance angle, even a bit of a shonen anime if you want.). So trying to claim Ariel as a gay metaphor and exclusively that is just going to drive a lot of fans away due to feeling very excluded (and heterosexuals are pretty much a constant and permanent majority. They'd have to be just to ensure the human species continues to exist as gays/lesbians can't breed. That's simply a fact in life and biology, after all.). It actually disrespects a large part of the audience who DID like Ariel without having any care one way or another about gay stuff. Heck, among eccentrics such as myself (having aspergers/autism), it also comes across as insulting to us when listing her as a gay metaphor since it disingenuously implies just because we have eccentricities we must automatically be gay even if we are straight (that's also another reason I intensely disliked Alex Danvers from Supergirl being made gay and ESPECIALLY why she deduced she might have been that due to "being bad with dates", or a similar rationale with Dr. Okun from Independence Day, more specifically its sequel Resurgence which retconned him as being gay, with it not helping that he admitted in the first movie to not being given much of a chance to be sociable to outsiders until the aliens attacked.).

Ironically, if any Disney Princess character came close to an actual gay metaphor (a bit of a contradiction in terms if you ask me since when you can't even convey the actual point indirectly, it simply isn't a metaphor), it was Belle from Beauty and the Beast. Especially when her overall character arc gave the impression that she wasn't even into guys at all (her song had her hating on how she had to enter marriage at all, with Gaston or anyone else, especially when she gave no interest in any of the men in the village at all, at least none that were single.), and even when she did grow to like Beast, you got the impression she merely viewed him as a friend rather than actually falling in love with him (heck, if it weren't for the "I Love You" scene at the end, you could easily say she probably didn't have that kind of love for him at all). And that's not even getting into the comic stories for New Adventures of Beauty and the Beast where she expressed disdain for having even a minute's interaction with the boys in the village even when her father (probably the only real exception to her inherent dislike of men in that story) told her to play with them. However, just to be clear, I said "came close to", not "IS", as she still ultimately went for Beast/Adam in the end, so she's ultimately straight even there (and even the comics did have her, in a slight foreshadowing of who she ended up with, admitting she might go for a guy, a prince even, so long as he was kind and not boorish and unintelligent), even if she nearly got Beast killed to get out of a jam.

[bat-the-misfit]

i once explained to this american girl how americans were brainwashed about Latin America and how race and ethnicity ACTUALLY worked here

at first she was mindblown we had the same race/ethnicites as them and were as diverse as them *rolls eyes* and understood there was no latino race and that most people they called so were actually mixed race latines

days later she was still saying her latine characters were ethnically "latines" and saying shit like "he's half mexican half white!!!"

[wazafam]

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[tenosit]

While I am in no way an Indigenous person of Asia, Eastern-most Europe or Caucasus, I can confirm how terribly racist - in ways that are very comparable to US and British racism - Russian social culture is. "Churki" are seen as invasive to Russian cities and uncivilised, even though - obviously - it is Russia that has invaded their lands. Caucasians in particular are seen as warlike "warrior races" due to Chechen War - never mind that Ichkeria is not the one that has started it.

Even us Ukrainians, who are also Slavic and closer to Central Europe than Russians, are portrayed as rustic, simple and so often ruddy-skinned - which goes hand in hand with attempts of Russian propaganda to claim we are Tatar or Caucasian descendants, ethnicites Russia already is prejudiced against, unworthy of claiming to be descendants of Rus'. It is lot more complicated than that, to say the least, but such attempts often completely ignore existence of Western Ukraine as Ukraine, which always was close to Poland and was influenced by Middle High German-speaking culture - fittingly, areas Russia considers belonging to empires other than itself.

And of course, it is put against the image of Russian as a stately, broad-shouldered, blond white man or slim, blond white woman, dressed either modernly or in heavily-idealised versions of folk clothing. In Russia's unrepentantly colonialist worldview, Russia brought civilisation to its empire - in form of Orthodox Christianity, Russian language, and state order. It is first cousin of Anglophone racism, and modern Russian far-right incessantly apes Nazi ideology, but replacing Germans with Russians as "master race".

It is a lot more complex than calling Russians "white", but for Tumblr? Calling that woman "white" explains enough. She is member of dominant culture appropriating Indigenous trappings for purpse of entertainment.

Thank you for calling out that woman. But, please don't say stuff like "she's just a white woman". That is such an American thing to say. It's an unfair generalization. There are many minority groups in Russia who are what you Americans call "white" and you're lumping together everyone who shares a skin color and making it out as if it's automatically a bad thing to be "white". You yourself would also be called white in Europe and Russia because to us it is just a skin color, not an ethnicity or race. Between light and dark skinned, you're definitely on the lighter end, so you would be called white (but you also need to remember that the meaning is completely different from what the Anglosphere means with it). Being indigenous does not mean a person cannot be white (= a person with a light skin tone as opposed to dark). So please, don't call this poser woman "just white" because many actually indigenous people are, too, and it's not a bad thing.

Edit: I responded to this by skimming and not really reading the whole way, and I'm going to dissect what is eyebrow raising. To say that this is strictly American to phrase "white" while also erasing my Indigenity and calling me "white" whereas there's posts by other anons calling me a specific non white slur (churka) is problematic to me. White people cannot be Indigenous. There can be lighter skinned Indigenous who can pass as white, yes, but this seems like an anonymous attempt of erasure and ignorance. I will keep my original statement posted because I may still be wrong, but my gut feels off and this feels more of a privileged attack coming from a part of ignorance rather than knowing which is why I'm guessing you asked this anonymously.

It is not bad to be white, yes, but it's not the same injustices being brought as someone who's Indigenous would.

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That's a fair point and is truly an Americanized perspective because of the connotations there. In America, I do not get treated as "white" so it's easy to generalize and make that error towards women like her especially because of the political climate I'm so accustomed to. I'm lighter skinned, and do not deny that, nor ever have or will. America has its own history of word use that doesn't connect with how the rest of the world does, and I learn that each day especially with making mistakes as I have. I take accountability of the help and harm I may cause, and there's only one way to go and that's forward and to learn. Thank you for the post and keeping me in line.

I will also question why it's only American to use "white" especially when Russia is still the one perpetuating white vs non white with the use of Slav and non Slav. You've seen me get called the slur "churka" which isn't used for white Russians. So while I'm willing to understand from a new perspective, I'm unsure if you really are fully aware of mine and my own confusion.

[cnc-woah]

We gonna ignore Aaliyahs mom saying nigga on IG orrrrrrrrrrr

No anon sadly we cannot 😔😔 it literally makes me so sad bc i like yocelyn for the most part but like as a non-black latina she literally has ZERO right to be using the n-word especially bc her daughter is darker and like imo shouldn’t be raised to think that people who aren’t black can just throw that word around 😕

ps. anon im assuming you yourself are black bc u typed out the n-word but if you aren’t u need to check yourself

[sixcostumerefs]

Six Queens' Self-Identified Race, Ethnicity, and Nationality

MOST RECENT UPDATE: Oct 2024 with BNAT fall cast

I’ve noticed that there’s been some conflicting info about different queens’ racial, ethnic, or national heritage and identity. I did some research and compiled a list of the queens’ identities as they themselves describe it in one of three places: - on social media - on their resumés - in interviews. If you know of any info I’ve left out and you can link me to a source for it that comes directly from a queen (NOT including the “appearance” category on Spotlight), please feel free to link it to me. Additionally, I’m happy to link to any of my sources that are currently up online for anyone who would like them. I also want to thank @lightleckrereins, who provided additional insight and feedback about Latino vs Hispanic identities and distinctions.

Notes about this list: - Since I only am including things the queens have said publicly (and that I could personally verify as having been posted publicly), there are many gaps. The most verifiable way to access this information is via resumés, but some queens don’t have any of this info listed on resumés and there are issues with some of the resumé systems themselves that make this info unclear at times. Just keep this in mind and understand that what is represented publicly may be far more simplistic and less nuanced than what the queens might truly identify as. - For consistency’s sake I used the term for people from a particular country rather than the specific country (e.x.: Welsh instead of Wales). I did my best with the ones I didn’t know based off of an internet search, but please correct me if I’m wrong on any of them! - Written nationality doesn’t necessarily mean the queen themself was born or even has ever lived there; it may be their heritage instead. - Some resumés/posts/bios have been deleted or edited since I compiled this list. I can confirm that everything on here is something that I saw while it was up myself and is not secondhand info, but if something has been changed or taken down I won’t be able to link to those.

Notes on the resumé systems used:

- The UK resume system uses “appearance” as a category for different racial and ethnic backgrounds. While it’s sometimes used for actual race/ethnicity, it’s also commonly used for race/ethnicity they can “appear” as rather than the race(s)/ethnicit(y/ies) they truly are. It’s also commonly managed and edited by their agents rather than the actors themselves. With that in mind, I generally tried to only include that information if I could also verify it somewhere else.

-Backstage (American) includes “Latino/Hispanic” in their list of terms that someone can check off. The two terms are often conflated, but there is distinction between these two terms: “Hispanic” refers to someone from a Spanish-speaking country (both Spain and in Latin America), while Latino refers to anyone from Latin America (which includes Mexico, Central America, South America, and some Caribbean) and includes people from countries in those regions that don’t predominantly speak Spanish (like Brazil). The resumés just listing “Latino/Hispanic” has led to the queendom sometimes mistakenly considering Hispanic queens as Latino or vise versa. When clarification has been clearly made, I note them as “Latino” and/or “Hispanic” rather than “Latino/Hispanic.” 

- Spotlight (UK system) only includes British. For queens in England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and Wales, it doesn’t give them the option to distinguish. For the queens who exclusively identify themselves as Scottish/Welsh/Northern Irish or Irish on their social media but as British on their resumés per that system, I left British off of their list and just included Scottish, Welsh, and Northern Irish or Irish per however they describe themselves.

- The resumé systems are ultimately a checklist of terms. Inherently they will lack nuance. They also use some classifications that may be considered out of date or have ongoing debates surrounding them, such as “White/European,” “Mediterranean,” and “Middle Eastern.” However, because resumés are usually the most consistent source of information and I wanted to keep this post specifically to how the actors themselves described their identity, I’m including those same terms.

Student Cast:  Ashleigh Weir: British; white Holly Musgrave: British; white  Oliver Wickham: British  Annabel Marlow: British; white. There have been additional references by her sibling, Toby Marlow, to their mother and maternal grandparents being Jewish. Shimali de Silva: Hong Konger/Hong Kongese, British, American, Australian, Sri Lankan

Original Arts Theatre/Studio Recording Cast:  Renée Lamb: British, Barbadian; Black Christina Modestou: Welsh, Greek; Mediterranean, white; lives in Scotland Natalie May Paris: British; white Genesis Lynea: Bermudian Izuka Hoyle: Scottish, Nigerian; Black, mixed race. Izuka’s sister has specified that their mother is Nigerian and their father is white.

1st UK Tour/Original West End: Jarnéia Richard Noel: British, Grenadian, from Trinidad and Tobago; mixed race Millie O’Connell: British; Italian, Irish, Maltese; white, Mediterranean Natalie May Paris: British; white Alexia McIntosh: British, Jamaican Maiya Quansah Breed: British, Ghanaian, Barbadian; Black Grace Mouat: British; half-Burmese; East Asian; mixed race Vicki Manser: white Courtney Stapleton: Black (Caribbean), white; mixed race

2019 West End additions: Courtney Bowman: half-white and half-Afro European, Black Vicki Manser: white Sophie Isaacs: white Danielle Steers: Black, white; mixed race Collette Guitart: Spanish, English; White, Mediterranean, Hispanic* Zara MacIntosh: Black Cherelle Jay: British; non-white Hana Stewart: British. Race/ethnicity is unclear, but possibly Middle Eastern. Jennifer Caldwell: British; white

2021 West End cast change: Amy Di Bartolomeo: Italian; implied to be white Amanda Lindgren: Swedish, South Korean; Asian Claudia Kariuki: Kenyan; Black Dionne Ward-Anderson: Sierra Leonean; Black Tsemaye Bob-Egbe: British, Nigerian; Black Meesha Turner: Black/Black African/Black Caribbean, White, Mixed. Possibly Jamaican but not totally clear. Rachel Rawlinson: British; White Esme Rothero: British; white, Middle Eastern Paisley Billings: Black Danielle Rose: British; White Roxanne Couch: American (specifically Californian), New Zealander; white, Maori; biracial/mixed race Harriet Watson: British; white

2022 West End cast change: Rhianne-Louise McCaulsky: Barbadian, Jamaican; Black Baylie Carson: Caucasian Claudia Kariuki: Kenyan; Black Dionne Ward-Anderson: Sierra Leonean; Black Koko Basigara: Scottish, Ugandan; Mixed, Black/Black African/Black Caribbean, Greek Roxanne Couch: American (specifically Californian), New Zealander; white, Maori; biracial/mixed race Rachel Rawlinson: British; White Esme Rothero: British; white, Middle Eastern Monique Ashe-Palmer: British; mixed-race/multiracial Danielle Rose: British; White Leah Vassell: British; Black; mixed race Harriet Watson: British; white

2023-25 West End cast change: Nikki Bentley: White Thao Therese Nguyen: Vietnamese, British Kayleigh McKnight: Scottish; White Caitlin Tipping: Scottish; White Reca Oakley: British; Black Inez Budd: British, French; mixed race; French, Algerian, British, Liberian Janiq Charles: Trinidadian, British; Black Gabriella Stylianou: half-Cypriot Naomi Alade: British; Black Hannah Lowther: British; White Meg Dixon-Brasil: British, Portuguese; White Natalie Pilkington: British Danielle Rose: British; White Hana Stewart: British. Race/ethnicity is unclear, but possibly Middle Eastern. Ellie Jane Grant: British; mixed race

2nd UK Tour/3rd UK and Ireland Tour: Lauren Drew: Welsh; white Maddison Bulleyment: British; white Carly Dyer: Black Lauren Byrne: British; white Caitlin Tipping: Scottish; White Shekinah McFarlane: British, Jamaican; Black Jodie Steele: white (possibly Scandinavian) Vicki Manser: white Athena Collins: Black, implied Afro-Caribbean or mixed Elèna Gyasi: half-Spanish, half-Ghanaian; mixed race Cassandra Lee: Black; implied Jamaican Jennifer Caldwell: British; white Harriet Watson: British; white Natalie Pilkington: British Alicia Corrales-Connor: Spanish, Scottish; White, Hispanic* 

2022-2023 UK Tour: Chloe Hart: Cornish; white Jennifer Caldwell: British; white Casey Al-Shaqsy: British, half French and German; Black, Arab, mixed race Aiesha Naomi Pease: Black; multiracial Jessica Niles: Black Jaina Brock-Patel: British, Indian; White, Indian, mixed race; Desi Rebecca Wickes: British; white Alana Robinson: American; Black, possibly specifically African-American and/or Afro-Caribbean Harriet Caplan-Dean: British, Liechtensteiner, Israeli; Jewish, mixed Ashkenazi/Sefardi Grace Melville: South African; Black Leesa Tulley: Scottish; Glaswegian; White Natalie Pilkington: British Harriet Watson: British; white

2023-2024 UK Tour: Nicole Louise Lewis: implied Black, potentially referenced Muslim or Turkish background but unclear Laura Dawn Pyatt: British; White Erin Caldwell: Scottish; White Kenedy Small: Black - Caribbean Lou Henry: British; White Aoife Haakenson: American; Taiwanese; based in Singapore, London, and the US; also lists herself as living in Jakarta (Indonesia) and Hong Kong Ellie Jane Grant: British; mixed race Izi Maxwell: British; White; born in Hong Kong, grew up in Hertfordshire, family from Liverpool Tamara Morgan: British, Jamaican; Black Shakira Simpson: Black Natalie Pilkington: British

2024-2025 UK Tour: Billie Kerr: Scottish; white Yna Tresvalles: Filipino-American; Asian Liberty Stottor: white Hannah Victoria: British; Black (possibly Black-Caribbean and mixed race) Lizzie Emery: British; white Eloise Lord: British Milly Willows: Welsh; white Erin Summerhayes: Welsh; white Lorren Santo-Quinn: British; possibly White/Asian/Hispanic Izzy Formby-Jackson: British; white Shakira Simpson: Black

1st North American Tour/Broadway:  Adrianna Hicks: Black Andrea Macasaet: Filipino-Canadian Brittney Mack: Black Samantha Pauly: Puerto Rican, Navajo**; Native American, Latino* Anna Uzele: Puerto Rican, Congolese (specifically the Democratic Republic of Congo); Black/African, Latino/Hispanic*, Afro-Latino* Shantel Cribbs: Black/African Mallory Maedke: White/European Nicole Kyoung-Mi Lambert: Afro-Korean (more info here)

2020-2022 Broadway additions: Bre Jackson: Black Keri Rene Fuller: White/European Joy Woods: Black, Southeast Asian/Pacific Islander Brennyn Lark: Black Keirsten Hodgens: Black Holli’ Conway: Black Ayla Ciccone-Burton: Black Kelly Denice Taylor: Nigerian; Black Cassie Silva: Latina; Mexican descent Hana Stewart: British. Race/ethnicity is unclear, but possibly Middle Eastern. Marilyn Caserta: Italian, Cuban; Chicana; White/European, Latino*

2022-2023 Broadway: Hailee Kaleem Wright: Black Khaila Wilcoxon: Black Leandra Ellis Gaston: Black Nasia Thomas: Black Zoe Jensen: Filipina Taylor Iman Jones: Black Holli’ Conway: Black Ayla Ciccone-Burton: Black Kristina Leopold: mixed, person of color; Black, white, AAPI; British, Irish, French, Nigerian, Ghanian, South African, Chinese, Thai, Indian Aubrey Matalon: Jewish Marilyn Caserta: Italian, Cuban; Chicana; White/European, Latino* Cassie Silva: Latina; Mexican descent

2023-2024 Broadway: Khaila Wilcoxon: Black Storm Lever: Black Jasmine Forsberg: Filipino; also Swedish, German, and Polish; white father and Filipina mother Olivia Donalson: Black Didi Romero: Puerto Rican/Boricua; Latina*; multiracial, white/European, Middle Eastern Zoe Jensen: Filipina Gabriela Francesca Carrillo: first gen Mexican-American; Latina*; multiracial, white, indigenous Ayla Ciccone-Burton: Black Kristina Leopold: mixed, person of color; Black, white, AAPI; British, Irish, French, Nigerian, Ghanian, South African, Chinese, Thai, Indian Aubrey Matalon: Jewish  Sierra Fermin: Filipina Jenny Mollet: Swiss, American; Black Jana Larell Glover: Black Aryn Bohannon: White/European, Irish Cassie Silva: Latina; Mexican descent Wesley Carpenter: White

2022-2023 North American Tour (Aragon Cast): Khaila Wilcoxon: Black Storm Lever: Black Jasmine Forsberg: Filipino; also Swedish, German, and Polish; white father and Filipina mother Natalie May Paris: British; white Olivia Donalson: Black Didi Romero: Puerto Rican/Boricua; Latina*; multiracial, white/European, Middle Eastern Gabriela Francesca Carrillo: first gen Mexican-American; Latina*; multiracial, white, indigenous Erin Palmer Ramirez: Peruana-American; Latina*, multiracial, white/European, indigenous; white Latina Kelly Denice Taylor: Nigerian; Black Kelsee Kimmel: White Cassie Silva: Latina; Mexican descent Marilyn Caserta: Italian, Cuban; Chicana; White/European, Latino*

2022-2023 North American Tour (Boleyn Cast): Gerianne Pérez: Puerto Rican Amina Faye: Black Terica Marie: Black Aline Mayagoitia: Mexicana/Mexican; Texan Sydney Parra: Puerto Rican descent Adriana Scalice: Peruvian/Italian, Latina Cecilia Snow: Black, White; mixed race Kelly Denice Taylor: Nigerian; Black Jana Larell Glover: Black Aryn Bohannon: White/European, Irish Taylor Pearlstein: Polish-Canadian, Jewish; White/European Marilyn Caserta: Italian, Cuban; Chicana; White/European, Latino* Cassie Silva: Latina; Mexican descent Wesley Carpenter: White 2024 Summer North American Tour (Boleyn Summer Cast): Kristina Leopold: mixed, person of color; Black, white, AAPI; British, Irish, French, Nigerian, Ghanian, South African, Chinese, Thai, Indian Cassie Silva: Latina; Mexican descent Kelly Denice Taylor: Nigerian; Black Danielle Mendoza: Filipina; multiracial; Asian, Latina/Hispanic*, Southeast Asian/Pacific Islander Alizé Ke’Aloha Cruz: Filipino, Mexican; multiracial; White/European, Asian, Latino/Hispanic Adriana Scalice: Peruvian/Italian, Latina Amaya White: Black Carlina Parker: Panamanian, American; Black Aryn Bohannon: White/European, Irish Taylor Sage Evans: White/European Wesley Carpenter: White

2024 North American Tour (Boleyn Fall Cast): Chani Maisonet: Puerto Rican; Black; Latino Gaby Albo: Mexican Kelly Denice Taylor: Nigerian; Black Danielle Mendoza: Filipina; multiracial; Asian, Latina/Hispanic*, Southeast Asian/Pacific Islander Alizé Ke’Aloha Cruz: Filipino, Mexican; multiracial; White/European, Asian, Latino/Hispanic Tasia Jungbauer: Black/African American, white Amaya White: Black Carlina Parker: Panamanian, American; Black Taylor Sage Evans: White/European Hailey Lewis: Afro-Canadian, Black

Canadian cast: Jaz Robinson: Black, mixed Kelsee Kimmel: White Krystal Hernandez: Puerto Rican; Latinx Elysia Cruz: Filipino-Canadian Lauren Mariasoosay: Canadian; South Asian, MENASA, AANHPI; South Indian, Polynesian (French Polynesia), Malaysian, Spanish, Cambodian; mixed-race. “south asian + poly/indonesian” Hailey Lewis: Afro-Canadian, Black Abigail Sparrow: White/European

2020 and 2021-23 Australia Tour:  Chloé Zuel: Mauritian-Australian (Mauritia in the Indian Ocean, NOT Mauritanian from Mauritania as is often stated) Phoenix Jackson Mendoza: Australian, Filipino, Trinidadian on Twitter; Filipino, Ghanaian, Brazilian, Australian on Instagram. Her mother referred to herself as German-Australian and Filipino while her aunt referred to herself as being Hong Kong-born and Filipino/Pinay, and described Phoenix’s grandparents as also being English and Spanish. Please note that just because a parent or grandparent identifies with a specific nationality or diaspora does not necessarily mean that Phoenix does. Kala Gare: half-Italian Kiana Daniele: Italian-Australian Courtney Monsma: Australian; White/European Chelsea Dawson: Australian, French Vidya Makan: “South African with Indian heritage”; Desi Karis Oka: Japanese-Australian; Eurasian Shannen Alyce Quan: biracial, mixed-race; Eurasian Ella Burns: White/European Chiara Assetta: Italiano-Australian Madeline Fansler: White/European Cristina D’Agostino: White/European

2024 Australia and New Zealand Tour:  Kimberley Hodgson: Filipino-Australian; mixed race Deirdre Khoo: Singaporean, Chinese; born and raised in Singapore Zelia Rose Kitoko: Congolese-European descent Chelsea Dawson: Australian, French Giorgia Kennedy: Colombian/Trinidadian, Australia; Afro-Latina Chiara Assetta: Italiano-Australian Gabriella Boumford: English, Australian Cristina D’Agostino: White/European

South Korean production: I am not specifically including any of the South Korean actors in this list due to the significant linguistic and cultural barriers (I simply don't want to incorrectly identify anyone). As far as I can tell, the actors all seem to be Korean nationals, but if there's any additional information I find I will add that specific actor. Japan production: As with the South Korean and Hungarian productions, there are significant linguistic and cultural barriers to me compiling this full list. Most of them do include information about their ethnic/national backgrounds in their bio/website/etc, so I am including that, but note that this is a preliminary list and not necessarily fully representative. Due to translation and cultural difference, it's also more of a factual telling of how they've described their family rather than identity-focused in the way I usually do. 鈴木 瑛美子 | Emiko Suzuki ソニン | Sonim: Japanese and Korean. Born in Japan of Korean background or nationality (here's where translations tend to be unclear) 田村 芽実 | Meimi Tamura: Japanese 皆本 麻帆 | Maho Minamoto: Japanese 原田 真絢 | Mahya Harada 遥海 | Harumi: Japanese parent and Filipino parent. Born in the Philippines and moved to Japan at 13. エリアンナ | Eliana: Japanese parent and Brazilian parent 菅谷 真理恵 | Marie Sugaya: Japanese, Hawaiian grandparent 鈴木 愛理 | Airi Suzuki 豊原 江理佳 | Erika Toyohara: Dominican Republic, Japanese (specifically born in Dominican Republic) 和希 そら | Sora Kazuki: Japanese 斎藤 瑠希 | Ruki Saito

Bliss 1.0:  Candace Furbert: Bermudian Hazel Karooma-Brooker: British, Ugandan; Black; mixed-race Caitlin Tipping: Scottish; White Sophie Golden: British; white Alicia Corrales-Connor: Spanish, Scottish; White, Hispanic* Viquichele Cross: British, Jamaican; Black/Black African/Black Caribbean Natalie Pilkington: British Bryony Duncan: British Lori McLare: British; white Amy Bridges: Welsh; white

Bliss 2.0:  Jade Marvin: Black Lucy Aiston: British; White Gabriella Stylianou: half-Cypriot Scarlet Gabriel: British, Grenadian; Black/Black African/Black Caribbean Rebecca Wickes: British; white Megan Leung: raised in Hong Kong, Hong Konger/Hong Kongese; half-Chinese, half-American; mixed race Sophie-Rose Middleton: British; White/European Kara-Ami McCreanor: British Emily Harrigan: British; white

Bliss 3.0:  Melinda Porto: Spaniard; White/European, Hispanic* L'Oréal Roaché: Black Wesley Carpenter: White Maya Christian: Black Brianna Mooney: Latino and Hispanic* Meghan Dawson: Black Marilyn Caserta: Italian, Cuban; Chicana; White/European, Latino* Adrianna Glover: Black, Middle Eastern, Latino/Hispanic* (specifics unknown) Kristina Walz: White/European Alizé Ke’Aloha Cruz: Filipino, Mexican; multiracial; White/European, Asian, Latino/Hispanic*

Bliss 4.0: Gabriella Mack: Black/African Casey Esbin: White/European; Jewish Ellie Wyman: White/European Sasha Renae Brown: Black Nicole Lamb: Greek Aja Simone Baitey: Black Willow Dougherty: White/European Kayla McSorley: Canadian; French-Canadian/Acadian; White/European Hannah Taylor: White/European Emily Rose Lyons: White/European Chelsea Lorraine Wargo: White/European

Bliss 5.0: Rae Davenport: Black Kathryn Kilger: White/European; German descent Reca Oakley: British; Black Artemis Chrisoulakis: British, Greek; White; Mediterranean Bethany McDonald: British; White Alyssa Gianetti: Italian; White/European Haley Izurieta: Latine; Ecuadorian Jasmine M Smith: Black Lois Ellise: Black

Bliss 6.0: Jade Marvin: British; Black Fiorella Bamba: Filipina, Italian, Australian. Born in Italy, raised in Philippines, lives in Australia. Lucinda Wilson: Australian Haley Izurieta: Latine; Ecuadorian Caitlyn De Kuyper: White/European Amanda Lee: Black/African Willow Dougherty: White/European Gabriella Boumford: English, Australian Brooke Aneece: Black

Bliss 7.0:  Gabriella Mack: Black/African Lorren Santo-Quinn: British; possibly White/Asian/Hispanic Billie Kerr: Scottish; white Janice Rijssel: Dutch, Surinamer, British; Black Sarah McFarlane: Irish (from Northern Ireland); white Amelia Atherton: British Giulia Marolda: White/European Izzy Formby-Jackson: British; white Hannah Lawton: British; white

Breakaway 1.0: Jasmine Shen: Chinese, Hong Konger/Hong Kongese Kelly Sweeney: British; white Amy Bridges: Welsh; white Jessica Niles: Black Georgia Carr: British; white Amelia Walker: Grenadian Liv Alexander: British; white Elizabeth Walker: British; white Laura Blair: Scottish Maddison Firth: British; white

Breakaway 2.0 (original): Gabrielle Davina Smith: Welsh, Mauritian; Black Fia Houston-Hamilton: Scottish; Indian, Jamaican, Scandinavian; mixed race Maddison Firth: British; white Rhiannon Bacchus: English, Scottish, Welsh, Guyanese Sadie Hurst: English Ellie Sharpe: British

Breakaway 2.0: Jade Marvin: Black; British Liv Alexander: British; white Elizabeth Walker: British; white Jessica Niles: Black Artemis Chrisoulakis: British, Greek; White; Mediterranean Amelia Walker: Grenadian Ellie Sharpe: British Sadie Hurst: English

Breakaway 3.0: Lauren Irving: Black Danielle Mendoza: Filipina; multiracial; Asian, Latina/Hispanic*, Southeast Asian/Pacific Islander Abigail Sparrow: White/European Madeline Fansler: White/European Channing Weir: White/European Sunayna Smith: half-Black, half-Indian Princess Sasha Victomé: Haitian, American

Breakaway 4.0: Jade Marvin: Black; British Jessie Bodner: American Jasmine Hackett: British Janice Rijssel: Dutch, Surinamer, British; Black Lucia Valentino: British, Italian Elena Breschi: Italian, Filipino; white, Mediterranean, Hispanic Princess Sasha Victomé: Haitian, American Ellie Sharpe: British Sarah McFarlane: Irish (from Northern Ireland); white Meg Dixon Brasil: British, Portuguese

Breakaway 5.0: Gabriella Mack: Black/African Sunayna Smith: half-Black, half-Indian Hannah Taylor: White/European Sasha Renae Brown: Black Sarah McFarlane: Irish (from Northern Ireland); white Megan Leung: raised in Hong Konger/Hong Kongese; half-Chinese, half-American; mixed race Eden Holmes: Caucasian Jaelle LaGuerre: Haitian, Black, first-gen immigrant Kate Zulauf: White/European

Breakaway 6.0: Analise Rios: Puerto Rican, Irish, German; Latino,* White/European; multiracial Cydney Clark: Black Eloise Lord: British Deirdre Dunkin: Black Giulia Marolda: White/European Hungarian non-replica: Just like the South Korean and Japanese productions, please note that there are significant linguistic and cultural barriers to me compiling this information and it may not be complete. Horányi Juli: Hungarian Baranyai Annamária: Hungarian Muri Enikő: Hungarian Zsitva Réka: Hungarian Singh Viki: Hungarian mother, Indian father ("indiai apa és magyar anyuka gyermeke ként") Peller Anna: Hungarian Herceg Erika: Ukrainian, Hungarian Kardffy Aisha: Hungarian, Persian descent Hien: Vietnamese-Hungarian Gadó Anita: Hungarian Veres Mónika: Hungarian Gallusz Nikolett: Hungarian Horváth Mónika: Hungarian Magyar Krisztina: Hungarian Csonka Dóra: Hungarian

Unknown: Megan Gilbert; Aimie Atkinson; Abby Mueller, Courtney Mack; Bella Coppola; Jessie Davidson; Courtney Mack; Zan Berube, Courtney Mack; Caroline Siegrist; Julia Pulo, Maggie LaCasse, Bella Coppola, Darcy Stewart, Julia McLellan; Loren Hunter; Loren Hunter, Thalia Smith; Abbi Hodgson; Ashlee Waldbauer; Gianna Grosso, Jarynn Whitney, Jillian Worthing; Audrey Fisher; Melissa J Ford, Kaylah Attard; Abbi Hodgson; Shelby Griswold, Kennedy Monica Carstens, Jarynn Whitney; Abbi Hodgson; Meghan Corbett, Ruby Gibbs, Caroline Siegrist, Audrey Fisher

*Read the notes at the top about the “Latino/Hispanic” designation on resumés. **Samantha Pauly’s resume refers to her as Navajo. However, some Navajo people do prefer the endonymic term Diné  (indigenous to the tribe and its language). In keeping with the intent of this post to use the same terms that the queens themselves have used, I referred to her as Navajo.

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Family Bios (The Adler Family)

Leonardo Augustus Adler

Job: Surgeon Fav Colour: Blue School(s): Princeton University, Harvard Medical School Was Almost Named: Thomas First Celebrity Crush: Jennifer Aniston Ethnicites: Italian & Swiss Fav Band/Artist: Blink-182 Fav Animal: Tiger Fav Movie: Dead Poets Society (1989) Fav Parent: Georgia Best Subject in School: Civics High School Superlatives: Most likely to get married first Biggest Fear: Cynophobia (fear of dogs) Languages: English, Spanish, Latin, French, and German Fav Childhood Memory: Sitting on his dads lap during concerts and playing drums

Annabelle Charlotte Adler

Job: 3rd Grade Teacher Fav Colour: Orange School(s): University of Houston Was Almost Named: Claire First Celebrity Crush: Ashton Kutcher Ethnicites: Italian & Swiss Fav Band/Artist: Britney Spears Fav Animal: Horse Fav Movie: Notting Hill (1999) Fav Parent: Georgia Best Subject in School: Art High School Superlative: Most School Spirit Biggest Fear: Hemophobia (fear of blood) Languages: English, Italian, and Spanish Fav Childhood Memory: Riding horses on her grandparents ranch back home in Alabama.

Emma Sophia Adler

Job: Social Worker Fav Colour: Magenta School(s): Auburn University Was Almost Named: Caroline First Celebrity Crush: Leonardo Dicarprio Ethnicites: Italian & Swiss Fav Band/Artist: Radiohead Fav Animal: Otter Fav Movie: Flashdance (1983) Fav Parent: Steven Best Subject in School: Science High School Superlative: Most likely to lead a protest Biggest Fear: Gelotophobia (fear of being laughed at) Languages: English, Italian, and Spanish Fav Childhood Memory: Bike rides with her dad and older brother.

Lawson Ford Adler

Job: Racing Driver Fav Colour: Red School(s): Amarillo College Was Almost Named: Benjamin First Celebrity Crush: Audrey Atwood Ethnicites: Italian & Swiss Fav Band/Artist: The Strokes Fav Animal: Tiger Fav Movie: The Amazing Spider Man (2012) Fav Parent: Georgia Best Subject in School: American Sign Language High School Superlative: Biggest Procrastinator Biggest Fear: Metathesiophobia (fear of change) Languages: English, Italian, Spanish, and ASL Fav Childhood Memory: Cooking in the kitchen with his mother, and fast food runs with her when she was pregnant w/ Mia.

Mia Lynn Adler

Job: Student Fav Colour: Yellow School(s): Carroll Senior High School Was Almost Named: Tara First Celebrity Crush: Matty Healy Ethnicites: Italian & Swiss Fav Band/Artist: The 1975 Fav Animal: German Sheperd Fav Movie: Mamma Mia! (2008) Fav Parent: Steven Best Subject in School: Poetry High School Superlative: Most likely to be late for class Biggest Fear: Emetophobia (fear of vomiting) Languages: English, Spanish, and Italian Fav Childhood Memory: Going to the 1975 concert with her dad and getting kicked out because some guy was hitting on her and Steven beat him up. Then went to get chick-fil-a afterwards

[lawful-evil-novelist]

Could you make a list of the rogues and the batfam's ethnicites for the lawfulverse?

(Ps:the writing on your au is very nice and I wish you a good day or night)

I'm so sorry for not getting back to you on this bc I did write this down I just never answered it. As a fair warning, some of these ethnicities have shifted a bit since I posted Waller's Gotham Files and won't match up, particularly with the Batfam.

Note: This is an ethnicity list, so while I have this notated for my own reference, the character might not know the specifics.  If I have a character's ethnicity marked with a * it means that cultural or national background is within two generations (so grandparent or parent, ** means that ethnicity is/was their nationality (and it applies to being a member of an indigenous tribe). If someone is mixed-race their ethnicities are marked separately.

Rogues First:

Mr Bloom (Zachariah Bloom): Ashkenazi/Telugu*

Lock-Up (Lyle Bolton): British/German

Penguin (Oswald Cobblepot): Polish*

Scarecrow (Jonathan Crane): Irish/Ojibwe**

Baby Doll (Mary Dahl): German

Calendar Man (Julian Day): Italian*/Berber*

Two-Face (Harvey Dent): Ashlenazi

Mr. Freeze (Victor Fries): Ashkenazi (German)**

Solomon Grundy (Cyrus Gold): Bulgarian**

Poison Ivy (Pamela Isley): Irish*

Killer Croc (Waylon Jones): Louisiana Creole**

Clayface (Basil Karlo): Filipino**

Toymaker (Cosmo Krank): Japanese*

Catwoman (Selina Kyle): Puerto Rican*/Haitian*

Deadshot (Floyd Lawton): West African

Firefly (Garfield Lynns): British New Zealander**

Anarky (Lonnie Machin): Scottish

Music Meister (Maxwell Mavis): Corsican**

Joker (Jack Napier): Scots-Irish**

Riddler (Edward Nygma): Vietnamese*

Harley Quinn (Harleen Quinzel): British/Ashkenazi

Mad Mod (Neil Richards): Thai** (adopted from Thailand)

Creeper (Jack Ryder): German/British

Black Mask (Roman Sionis): Korean*/Thai*

Dr. Hugo Strange: German

Mad Hatter (Jervis Tetch): Cornish**

Clock King (William Tockman): Sinti (German Romani)**

Bane (Angel Vargas): Nahuatl**/Santa Priscan (Carribean)**

Killer Moth (Drury Walker): Javanese**/Scottish Australian*

Deathstroke (Slade Wilson): British

Maxie Zeus (Maximillian Zeus): Greek*/Turkish*

Viktor Zsasz: Russian**

And Our Batfam:

Steph Brown: British

Cass Cain: Chinese*/British

Audrey Castillo (OC): Spanish*/Mexican*

Tim Drake: British/Malay*

Barbara Gordon: British/Irish

Dick Grayson: Romanichal (British Romanı)**

Salem Jackson (OC): Haitian Creole*

Kate Kane: Ashkenazi

Duke Thomas: Afro-Brazilian*

Jason Todd: Scottish/Guatemalan*

Bruce Wayne: Ashkenazi

Damian Wayne: Ashkenazi/Turkish**

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I may have asked this before, but does anyone know a good website/source for looking up people of different races, including combining different ethnicites?

I need some help getting reference for at least one future OC ;w;

[nation-fellas]

oh I'm curious now! with your recent usa drawing he looks like a man of color, so does this mean in different time periods they appear as whole other races/ethnicites, depending on who's populating their nation at the time? or something like that?

Actually USA is still indigenous! He just has a fuckboy haircut now 😭😭 but most nations take after their original people like romania is based on romani people or england is based on celts, it might not look like it as of now but im currently working on redesign some characters here and there ;)