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So this one is for Henry and Ellie from pardoned pals:
I hope you haven’t been up to any crime shenanigans ever since your pardon. Anyway, how is life going for you people? Are you friends with Charles by any chance?
Ellie: Crime? Noooo ok maybe some but not big stuff we weren't even caught so it doesn't really matter right
Ellie: You mean the helicopter guy uhh well he shows up sometimes but I'm pretty sure it's just the government checking on us
Henry: you're too paranoid does a government spy come with muffins
#thsc#the henry stickmin collection#henry stickmin#ellie rose#pardoned pals#thanks androidcharles for the suggestions on making it easier to read
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| 𝕤𝕙𝕒𝕥𝕥𝕖𝕣𝕖𝕕 𝕗𝕦𝕥𝕦𝕣𝕖 |
Inspired from the different lives scene from Puss and Boots 2
Reflections (Left-Right, Up-Down)
Stickmin Space Resort, Valiant Hero, Toppat Recruits, Special Brovert Ops, Stealing the Diamond, Triple Threat, Toppat Civil Warfare, Master Bounty Hunter, Pardoned Pals and Revenged. StD is the one in front of the mirror and his reflection is the real one.
#thsc#henry stickmin#the henry stickmin collection#thsc fanart#thsc henry stickmin#mirror#shattered mirror#future#Henry Stickmin endings#toppat recruits#toppat civil warfare#master bounty hunter#pardoned pals#revenged#special brovert ops#triple threat#stickmin space resort#henry stickmin collection#valiant hero#stealing the diamond#reflection
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For those who wanted to be God, For those who were made God: The fate of these two thoughts intersect, Being led by many hearts, and one light, Until they meet their end. Now, connect the pieces, and let the future unfold.
#henry stickmin#henry stickmin collection#the henry stickmin collection#toppat king#cleaned em out#stickmin space resort#special brovert ops#master bounty hunter#jewel baron#valiant hero#revenged#toppat civil warfare#pardoned pals#toppat recruits#capital gains#toppat 4 life#triple threat#multiverse correction#higurashi#higurashi no naku koro ni#higurashi when they cry#when they cry#sea of fragments#why yes#higurashi is my favourite anime#how could you tell?#koko's art
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Stickmin Month Challenge Christmas (Day Three: Least Favorite Ending or Most hated ending).
Look, there are two endings of Henry Stickmin that i can't watch for at least one minute... Pardoned Pals and Toppat Civil Warface.
I mean, Pardoned Pals is not bad, the problem is that the whole purpose of that path was joining the Toppat Clan, why would they join the Goverment without any reason??
And i don't need to say something about Toppat Civil Warface, we all know the reason why it's the worst..
#the henry stickmin collection#stickminmonthchallengechristmas2022#fanart#pardoned pals#Toppat Civil Warface#art
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Hello fnc nation,,, I come bearing offerings
#jrwi riptide#just roll with it riptide#gillion tidestrider#chip jrwi#chip nolastname#jrwi fnc#jrwi fish and chips#just roll with it spoilers#jrwi riptide spoilers#riptide spoilers#I’m going to slink back into the darkness now#unless you like. wanna talk to me about them haha what.#I want to make more riptide pals… come speak to me#some of these are from during my first watch through so pardon the old designs? I guess??#dunno why I get so nervous sharing shippy stuff#actually I do know#I’m from p0kem0n lmao#TV’s art
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I saw a funny film Noir parody with Ilkka Villi and i used one moment as a reference from there xD
#pardon???#no homo trust me pal#Alan don't know why he's doing this#sorry Casey you just smells delicious coffee#alan wake 2#alan wake#alex casey#caseywake
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15 days ago :
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Two weeks is "long" enough not to be called soon, right??
So in that run, Alain repaired a bridge and crossed it, under his advisor's stern and despaired glare, and we saw a horrible cutscene with evil!Scarlett now going on by the name of Norbelle.
But since I couldn't be assed to grind to, well, play the final map, I just unlocked the cutscene and then went on my way to rescue Scarlett before she turns "evil".
@megafan1993 : iirc you theorised in a comment that maybe angel people can't be Zenoira'd like the bestrals because we don't see any zenoira'd angel in Albion? Given how Scarlett's line is basically an "angel experiment" that went right (like she got magic mc guffin powers instead of sprouting wings) Norbelle's here to tell us that she could be hijacked... even if I checked on YT videos and apparently it's bit more weird, like Norbelle says she was channeled in this body when Scarlett's soul left, but when we defeat Norbelle Scarlett's still here somehow asking Alain to live?
Anyways, wanting to continue on my "get cutscenes I didn't get in the first round", but being too much of a chicken to execute then Cornian recruits (:'( ) I decided to have Alain talk to Gilbert from the South in the final Drakengard map - and now instead of having them talk, Gilbert apparently remembers having talked to us?
Virginia being all "maybe you should talk to Aramis and ask him to reassure his brother about his role and status as the King", well, nope. Just like she told Alain, when we first met Berengaria, that their family matter was something between them and not for us to intervene, Alain went with something like "it's not for us to intervene in Drakengard's royal affairs" or something.
Which had her be a bit pissed, but she ultimately gives up because that's Alain's decision, and he is the leader of the army. So instead of talking to his brother, Gilbert faces his father's throne with doubts and his armored adviser (Hermann) tells him not to worry, and how everyone supports him even if his brother - who hasn't been confirmed to be dead yet - has a better claim to the throne.
However, given how he still has doubts and voices them to the Cornians - after Virginia asked him to "speak his mind" or something - and says he would rather join the Liberation Army, but defuses the situation by pretending it's a joke... well, let's say this plot point is left in the air.
(but it could make for a nice plotbunny in a fic : what if Gilbert later learns that his brother is still with the LA and how Alain and Virginia both kept that info for him? Marriage or not, I doubt he's going to be chummy with the Cornian royals, especially if he believes they kept that info from him to have some sort of leverage against his crown/rule by threatening him to reveal Ludwig's existence to the world and thus directly challenge his legitimacy... - what a clusterfuck this decision of "letting them deal with their family matters on their own" would create lol)
But he swore he will be assisting us in the last battle!
I don't think there are any other "meaningful choices" after Drakengard, maybe I'll kill Bertrand (:'() in Bastorias to get that entry on the archive ?
#unicorn overlord stuff#tfw no self restraint#damn i should have killed Aramis too for the archive completion :(#And Jerry and Mordon and all of the pals :(#maybe in another run? lol#watch as I have fic ideas I'll never write#like the one where Ilenia post possession wakes up and realises what the fuck happened in 10 years and feels like it's her fault#Josef'n'pals try to assure her it's not but it doesn't work#dealing with the aftermath of the war and the people legit wondering where the fuck was she#+ cleaning house with the people who sided with Zenoira bcs even if Alain wants to pardon them he's king now#++ being extra upset at having to erase Virginia from the royal line to make sure no Drakengard king could have a claim on Cornia's throne#oh well it's just AU thoughts now#I'll try to play one chapter per day to avoid storming and burning out before the artbookis delivered lol
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It's alright if I do another request?
(if it's possible can you draw Panprice but in my Midnight-Ninja Clan Au?)
Yes, but due note its angsty art time >:D Enjoy! <3
#the henry stickmin collection#henry stickmin collection#henry stickmin fanart#henry stickmin au#thsc fanart#thsc au#thsc#thsc rupert price#thsc dave panpa#rupert price#dave panpa#rupert x dave#panprice#henry stickmin pardon pals au#ship fanart#tw angst
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Just thinking about since Misha can run around in canon now how terrible the TR/PP routes are going to be for her.
Dmitri and Grigori are hurt but they need to go after Henry and Ellie, they are too dangerous to just let run around and as much as Misha wants her husband and brother to rest, she knows that this is important for Dmitri.
So she gives Dmitri a good luck kiss and hugs Grigori before they set off in the tanks, Misha wishing everyone a safe return from this mission.
And while Dmitri is still out, Misha helps out the best she can with getting things in order, using her old secretary skills to keep everyone still at the Wall organized or just baking some food for everyone, just keeping herself distracted and not worrying so much.
Hours pass into days as Misha keeps waiting, her worry growing.
And then she eventually hears a knock on her door, opening it up to see Hubert Galeforce of all people, the man having taken off his hat in respect as he hands her the pieces of jacket and ushanka that once belonged to Dmitri, no words needing to be said as the older woman falls to her knees in grief.
#mod lizzy rambles#misha petrov#i now just realized that pardon pals is horrific for the toppats that were onboard the rocket#it is also horrific here as in a way galeforce and the government is responsible for dmitri and grigoris deaths#*rolls back into the void*
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Ashley Jang's fate in all CTM endings
alrighty, i am way super late to this but considering Ashley's role as a Toppat AND being the estranged cousin of Henry, i wanna see what fates she would be in the main storyline, including the main ending i focus on which is triple threat.
inspired by androidcharles, jaytoons7 and bluetorchsky on their OCs fate eheh
now then, shall we dive in to the deep deep sea?
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Before we get to CTM, im gonna dive a bit into ITA, specifically this route:
Rapidly Promoted Executive
Ashley was in the airship when Henry became the leader, she felt familiar towards the figure but doesn't question further in fears of recognize the wrong person. It was only after Henry got captured in the Wall when she realized the new leader is the cousin she is looking for.
(i feel like i have to include this route first due to the relationship between Ashley and Henry)
Anyway, now we dive into CTM!
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Triple Threat (main universe story)
Managed to escape from The Wall along with some fellow Toppat members, and somehow snag a ticket back home in South Korea. She heard about the news regarding the Toppat clan defeat from three US government agents, and set off to the US to find her cousin and trying to bring him back home...... and taking revenge for the Toppats and win this family feud.
Valiant Hero
Despite hearing what happened to Henry at the Wall and felt distraught, she continued on with Toppat work and went along to the space station. She survived from the explosion but lost her job and traumatized. Once returning to SK, she told her family her work had a sudden laid off and cried over losing her cousin and work. Unbeknownst to her, Henry is also crying over a heavy loss somewhere on the other side...
Cleaned 'em Out
She was mad at the stolen valuables, offering her help to investigate who did it. It took a while, but they found out the thief is the same person who contributed to getting the airship division arrested. Upon doing further background checks, Ashley knew what she would do to track her cousin down, and told her fellow Toppats that they "have an advantage", either find the thief himself, or someone from the government.
Special BROvert Ops
Got arrested. While being taken away, she glanced at the two agents and thought one of them looked familiar. Henry happened to look at her direction and saw her glance before the soldier prompted her to move along. Henry brushed it off and continued his convo with Charles. Seeing that Henry turned over a new leaf, Ashley scoffed and felt it's ironic that she was caught instead, saying that "he won again".
Revenged
Died in the wreckage site. Before her death, she barely saw a half cyborg figure, not knowing it was Henry. Some time later in SK, the Min family learnt the news of Ashley's death as well as Henry's death. Discovering that they died in the area where a criminal airship laid near, they wondered if Henry somehow brought Ashley into the criminal life and is the one led to their deaths. Nonetheless, they acknowledged him as family for the last time, and have the cousins' childhood photo as a memorial.
(Alternatively: they have Ashley and a younger Henry's portrait due to not having his most recent photo)
Toppat King
Despite a slight awkward reunion at the start, she is just happy she is able to find him, and "just like old times", she works alongside Henry well and got along with Ellie too. Henry is a bit baffled on the efforts Ashley hiding her true work from their family, but promised he will not rat her out to the family.
Toppat 4 Life
She was surprised that Henry came back from the dead AND protected the clan from government forces, but glad to have him back regardless. Similar to the Toppat King ending minus Ellie.
Toppat Civil Warfare
After the whole dethronement ceremony and the death of Reginald and RHM, she stayed on Ellie's side as a safety net. However, she was EXTREMELY conflicted. For one, she thought it's best to go along with Henry because he's blood relative, but his action in The Wall reminded her of Henry's choice of leaving the family. She wanted to look for Henry on her own but knows there is a chance it will jeopardize hers and Henry's life.
Besides that, her blood relation with Henry is eating her mental state up because if ANYONE on Ellie's side know about the fact, well, let's just say it will not end pretty.
Toppat Recruits
Happy to be reunited with Henry after finding out he joined the Toppat clan. She still tried to convince him to go back home but to no avail. Eventually, she just leave him be on doing his own things in the clan.
Stickmin Space Resort
Happened to be in the rocket when Henry hijacked it. She was surprised to find her cousin stole the rocket even though he was supposed to be dead, but also slightly impressed. Later she became an employee of SSR, being a receptionist and offering language help towards foreign guests. She is also considered as a major contributor on reforming the Toppats on board.
Maybe, just maybe, Ashley is the one who came out with the resort idea.
It is also the only ending that the Min family knows Henry's whereabouts after years without any communication. They were pretty surprised with his decision as a resort owner but welcomed it since it meant he ditched the criminal life. They also thought that Henry was the one who offered Ashley a job in the resort.
Capital Gains
She was in the rocket doing preparations when the crash happened, was angry with how the train got wrecked (with some of her stuff got destroyed) and that RHM died. Did not know it was Henry and Ellie who stole the money cart.
Little Nest Egg
Slightly annoyed for being a little less rich with the money cart stolen, but the incident did not affect her much. She figured they can still earn them back. Again, did not know it was Henry's doing
Master Bounty Hunter
Escaped during the turmoil, managed to return to SK, saying that her job's gone and going to find a new one eventually. She left her hat in her closet, never to be touched upon again. With the main reason to look for Henry gone too, the search for him was also halted
Jewel Baron
Died during the blast, she did not manage to get to an escape pod in time. Henry never knew his cousin was with the Toppats or even in the space station at all, as he is fully focused on the jewels and not caring about anything else. The Min family eventually found out Ashley died and mourned for her. In a last attempt, they tried to call Henry about Ashley's fate, and since he never answered once again, they completely cut off ties with him.
Free Man
With the power in the rocket gone and stuck in space, Ashley was really, really worried if she will ever see her family again. One can only hope the power core will get fixed at all...
Pardoned Pals
Was defending the Toppat clan during the three-way chaos, and barely escaped from the big explosion. With no job to be, she went back home to SK, and left the Toppat life behind. However, she does want to know who caused the rocket to topple...
#ashley jang#thsc#thsc oc#henry stickmin#henry stickmin oc#the henry stickmin collection#guys you dont understand how sad i give myself when writing revenged fate#its also the reason why i switch ashley to cousin from the min family#also i did not expect that SSR is the BEST ending with the cousins until i write it out oh wow#move over TK /j#pardoned pals made me struggle the most cause i honestly dont know if i want to keep her alive or her ded or get her arrested hhhhhh#mai writing invasion
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now watch me wip. now watch me nae nae
#she’s getting some color yall :’)#as my good pal jessie and i said yesterday:#get absolutely illustrated#pardon the weird lines on the screen it’s a picture of my computer#meap posts#meap draws#art stuff#now watch meap wip. now watch meap nae nae
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concept: story where superman doesnt remember the legion but *jimmy* does
#shitpost#jimmy 'dont you remember when i was elastic lad?'#clark: jimmy. pardon me but what the hell are you talking about#jimmy: you know! In the future with all your future pals!#clark: jimmy you are my only 'pal'?#Jimmy is genre savvy and remembers the silver age when no one else will#this feels like an apt time to also reiterate that darkseid was introduced in a jimmy olsen book#jimmy olsen is just on a different level of the metatext#hes actually stronger than mxy because hes just so savvy
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After so many Procreate crashes and a really long while I fINALLY FINISHED IT WOOOOOOOOOO
Sorry for the ugly signature but I ain’t gonna let this masterpiece get stolen
Also
It’s thirty seconds for your sake (the original was 8:22)
Truly my masterpiece and the biggest art.
All Henries left to right, up to down:
Valiant Hero, Cleaned ‘em Out, Triple Threat, Special Brovert Ops, Master Bounty Hunter, Free Man, Capital Gains, Little Nest Egg, Pardoned Pals, Stickmin Space Resort, Jewel Baron, Toppat Recruits, Toppat Civil Warfare, Toppat 4 Life, Toppat King, Revenged.
#the henry stickmin collection#thsc#henry stickmin#thsc fanart#revenged#toppat civil warfare#toppat clan#toppat 4 life#Toppat king#toppat henry#Toppat recruits#jewel baron#stickmin space resort#pardoned pals#little nest egg#capital gains#free man#master bounty hunter#special brovert ops#triple threat#cleaned em out#valiant hero#art#fanart#speedpaint#my masterpiece#it took so long#ahhhhhhhh#i did it#so many layers
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Karl:oh i see,who is still preapering themselves?
MNC!Ellie: Lucia, Karl, Tulippel, Elliot, Sharky and Doughboy.
#henry stickmin collection#au#pardoned pals au#henry stickmin pardoned pals au#henry stickmin au#pardoned pals#the henry stickmin collection#ellie rose#midnight ninja clan ask blog
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im not gonna tag it but because of my last queue post: it is AMAZING how much of the theme park push/movie for m*rio killed my fascination with the franchise. jack black nailed it tho!
#now p*ach and m*rio... a different story#i don’t have a queue tag#pardon the asteriks i don't want this to show up ANYWHERE except for my pals
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babe me ironically telling you that I "sadly can't kill myself like you told me to do because some people care about me" isn't trauma dumping, implying I'm suicidal isn't trauma dumping, telling you "I have plenty of occasions to kill myself" isn't trauma dumping. I live near a train track, a cliff, a tumultuous river, and work with dangerous machines, those are the "occasions". don't use terms you don't understand you're just making yourself looks stupid.
"trauma dumping" would be to tell you (oversharing) about traumatic experiences. which I will not do. but learn the vocab.
again I'm not defending anyone and it's sad that you can't understand that giving some nuance to a situation or even explaining some context isn't "defending", or I guess what you mean is more likely "excusing". context is important, understanding complexity is important, you can't change things if you don't understand why they happen, stop with the black and white mentality. fucking WHY are you even watching the show at this point?
anyway, want honesty? okay, I can do that. it's not even 8am on a non working day, I must admit that reading your message first thing in the morning piss me off, and I've yet to activate my social filters, so that should be easy.
you're right, I do care what you think of me. not that it matters at the end of the day, but it pisses me off that someone can put so much effort into misreading someone, into twisting or ignoring all of their words. I can't even begin to understand how your mind works. why you would hate so much someone you know nothing about. it does actually worry me tho, because I've seen your other posts. you seem to dedicate half of you blog to hating on Alastor specifically, and his fans, picking fight against people who don't care what you think of them if not downright trolls. I care about you, that other person with the Homelander (or whoever the fuck this character is) memes was absolutely trolling you and was delighted by your angry reblogs. gosh how old are you even? (don't answer that) back in my days "don't feed the troll" was common knowledge. stop giving them what they fucking want.
I do honestly care about you. why is it that? because I'm a proud member of a social species and when I see my kin hurting themselves, I find it very unpleasant. also because I tried to emphasize with you so I could get under you skin. I'm stupid so it backfired and now I see you as a person instead of a concept without shape behind a screen. now I can't hate you, the joke's on me.
I've been there, like I said I know anger feels right, but it's also intoxicating. quite literally I mean, anger prepare your body to fight, it releases chemicals, hormones, to do so. it feels great but too much of it will hurt you. I know it's not easy but keep that anger for what you can actually fight. anger is a useful tool but you're misusing it. stop exposing yourself to online content that distress you like that. yes, I know, it's an addictive feeling. stop it anyway.
[this is where I take a pause so I can do things irl, idk what mood I'll be in when I start writing again, so the tone can shift]
you want to have the last word, I want it too, we're kind of in a situation here.
I could just stop responding to you but I don't want to, because I am indeed arrogant and believe I am right, you are wrong, and I want to convince you of my point of view. don't think you're better than me tho, you're also arrogant and think you are right, and me wrong. the main difference being that you're not trying to convince me, you're just getting mad at me. I don't think that makes me better than you but I do think screaming at me is useless. or well again I guess it can let you lose some stream if you need to, I don't really care. but anyway you're not going to convince me without using arguments (again not that I think you're trying to convince me, I'm just pointing at our differences)
my point of view is that having a morally complex character isn't a writing flaw. exploring said characters limites and empathising with them isn't a flaw either. some people use fiction to safely explore subjects that would be dangerous to explore irl. we've done that for literal thousands of years, maybe there is a reason for that, don't you think so?
you won't find characters being punished by death (and it being shown as a good thing, I mean) in Hazbin Hotel. it's a show about redemption and a metaphor for criticizing the prison system (as well as imperialism but that's not really the subject here). I'm sorry but it you expect Alastor (or others) to be killed for their crime it will not happen. will he suffer consequences? I do believe or at least hope so. this guy is an absolute moron who's incredibly bad at dealing with his own emotions and he will hurt others and himself over it, and it will likely come to slap him back in the face at some point, it's pretty much inevitable. but see, this is the difference between consequences and punishment. when you say "consequences" what you actually mean "punishment". you expect the character to suffer because you believe he deserves it, not just because it's the logical consequences of his actions. that's very different. the narrative of Hazbin Hotel (likely, if it stick to its current morality) won't approve of punishment. again it's a show about redemption, about trying to find alternatives to punishment, so it can't present it as an acceptable option.
I'm telling you that because it seems that you decided to keep watching it and I don't want you to get your hope crushed, y'know, prepare yourself for disappointment because what you wish would happen is the polar opposite of the show current morality
I mean like, I can be wrong, I've been wrong about fiction analysis before, I could be wrong again, but think yourself about it, okay? take a few minutes to analyse the show morality and purpose and draw your own conclusions, I'd be happy to hear about them if they end up being different of mines, always useful to get different pov on a subject
as for our emotions, I think that yours are raw. you feel a lot and let yourself feels, that's good but it doesn't mean you're being honest with them. maybe you think you are, and maybe you are indeed, I'm not in your head. but listen. just because you feel a lot doesn't mean you know why you feel so much or that you choose a good target to express it. emotions are just hormones, it's logical, your body (and so all thoughts, emotions or feelings it can produce) is just a complex biological machine and there is no such thing as chance in it. everything that you do, feels or think is the logical result of past and current experiences. but while it's logical it doesn't mean it's rational. us humans are still animals, even if we're able to talk we're not rational beings, we think and feels things by instinct and then we try to rationalize and justify them. that's how it works. most of the time it's bullshit tho, just because we feel something doesn't mean we have a "good" reason to do so. we have reasons, causes for it, but there's no morality behind, "good" and "bad" are concepts created by humain but biology and physics don't give a shit about those concepts. we have to try to follow them but they're not at the core of our decisions, that's what I meant.
so like, idk try to find why you're angry, what exactly makes you angry in what I'm telling you. don't answer "you're excusing the actions of a terrible person/character" again because you already said that multiple time but it doesn't say much. WHY does it makes you angry? (I'll save you some time: the answer is likely that you believe punishment to be an acceptable consequence, and it displease you that I think differently. but don't hesitate to tell me if you think I'm wrong, I actually quite enjoy to question my certitudes) then you have to ask yourself whether or not it is justified. from a moral standpoint I mean. are you right to be angry at me, at my opinion? and finally you can ask yourself if it's useful to be angry at me, like, whether you are right or not, does that change anything? (that's the part where I'm telling you being angry at me doesn't affect me that much, but that can affect you, do your choice)
hum... I think I covered pretty much all I wanted to cover 🤔
oh right! I said I was trying to be honest so there you go:
the reasons I keep talking to you (and caring despite of everything, and notably of what I keep saying) is because 1) like I said I'm arrogant, think I'm right and want to prove you wrong, but also 2) because I like conflict, it makes my brain happy because it force me to think of arguments, of how I should build my sentences, and there's probably also the part where English isn't my main language so it demands a little more efforts too. in resume, I crave stimulation and this exchange provide that, speaking of which 3) I'm desperate for human connection, I don't care if it's a positive interaction or not, I just fucking need to connect to other people, I'm aware that it's quite pathetic but you more or less asked for me to be honest so that's on you 🤷
yeah yeah I'm an arrogant bastard, I know, you keep telling me
I’m afraid he’s contracting babygirl disease :(
#i'm not the one twisting myself btw#like i said we're not quite rational creatures#sometimes we believe or do things opposed to each others#that's normal and it's quite ridiculous to believe that we should be rational all the time#we're not rational being i just learned to accept that#so yeah one can do bad things on one hand and good things on the other#i can pardon someone who hurted me‚ i don't have to let my feelings for them affect my judgement or actions#like idk pal we can't hate everything that ever hurted us how can you even live like this#anyway...#long post#cw rape#cw drugs#fandom discourse#personal#oh yeah also if you don't plan to write a big answer for that one can you do that in my ask box?#we kinda derailed from the silly babygirl deer this post was about and we might be bothering op#i know you hate them but it's not a good reason to be an asshole to them#you probably don't want people who hate you to bother you like that so try not to do so to other people#it's only logical#my offer to talk in dm still stands if you want to write more than what fit in an ask#or you can send multiple asks idk i'd screen them or something#(didn't do that myself cuz of the length of my answer)
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