#Oliver’s interview has me thinking thoughts 🤔

[can-i-get-a-yippee]

So, what I’m hearing is that if Buddie becomes canon, Eddie should be the one to make the first move?? 🤔🤔

[valenschmidt]

Thanks for answering my ask! Yes, that's very true, Ryan has been consistently hated/viewed with suspicion and skepticism for years, so the majority of buddie fandom (who are Oliver stans) wouldn't want to ship him with Oliver. I distinctly remember one particular post (in Ryan's tag) a year or two ago that was like, "ugh if buddie goes canon i feel sorry for oliver having to kiss that man" 🙄

Lol yes I guess we have to thank bt shippers and their OTT vitriol for turning the tide somewhat. It's been nice to see a recent influx of vocal Eddie/Ryan fans join the fandom. So refreshing and entertaining.

Yes also I remember the super cute bts vids that popped up during/toward the end of s6, and some people tagging positively about Ryan (albeit begrudgingly!). But definitely a lot more people were on edge about rpf compared to now.

Ooooh so about Oliver being single, that's what I thought too! But someone else I sent an ask(?) to a while ago said that he didn't actually say anything concrete in his insta live, and that he is still with his gf 🤔 does anyone have any further confirmation either way? I'd love to know!

"this happens quite a lot when ships are about to go canon. People start projecting the ship onto the actors, especially when chemistry is REALLY huge " - this is a really interesting phenomenon you've pointed out!

No provblem anon! I love receiving asks!!

YES!!! I completely understand why people were really mad back then, especially black people and I also understand if there are still black people who haven't quite forgiven him and it's totally valid, because what he did was not ok (even if he never said that word he was still trying to justify his then wife's actions and that should have been a big no no) the problem is that people let it get a tad too far and spreading things that were NOT true to new fans in the recent years out of anger, making him seen like a terrible person who is a racist and hates black people when that is not true... Aisha and Angela were really mad back then but they both clearly have forgiven him (since Angela invited him to his anniversary party and Aisha to his wedding) and he has never done anything remotely similar again so I think he truly changed and has become better so I really believe people have started to see that and the bt being awful to him probably was a changing point to most of the fandom (not all because some still hate him) but well you can't change someone's views on people changing...

Also yes anon! A lot were completely against it calling it awful and whatnot and now are the biggest ryliver shippers (and getting viral over it when less than 6 months ago they would cancel you) and taking everything as ryliver signs but whatever I just hope they don't take things too far

To the Oliver thing... I watched that interview live and I'm 100% sure he said he's single but I can't for the life of me find a clip of the interview (if anyone finds it please send it to me!!!) But I remember that he said he was single and then kind of shaded his ex (lol) so yeah

As for the last thing... yup not many notice but it happens quite a lot. Just like how actors tend to fall in love with eachother (which doesn't happen all the time but it happens) in fandom it also happens that they believe they fall in love. Take heartstopper for example... Kit and Joe plan Nick and Charlie who are very in love but in reality they're just very good friends but people insist on shipping them or the Bridgerton actors that play Colin and Penelope as well... people project the feelings of their characters into their real life personalities because of the chemistry the actors have together. It's hard to comprehend the idea of acting so close to someone and play lovers and have so much chemistry but not falling in love

Wow now that was quite a lot 🤣

Sorry anon I got carried away

[lover-of-mine]

Yk, something about my Eddie fell first essay, I never really went like "oh this is something that could be proven right by canon" mostly because when I wrote that I was still dealing with buddie being a distant possibility not something that's so close I can taste, but then Ryan was let out of interview jail. Then I went full conspiracy theorist. (Please note everything from here on out is a conspiracy theory that will most likely never be confirmed or denied so I'll live in it forever) I had made the post about how I think Ryan is playing Eddie as in love with Buck, the question was whether he was being told to do that or he was just playing it up as much as they allowed him to because we know Ryan supports the ship, and then Ryan said the "this goes beyond friendship and I love you to the core" thing.

He said he talked to someone about what it meant for Eddie to do that, because he didn't understand it at first, and then that's the conclusion he reached. But the thing is, that line "I love you to the core" specifically means so much in the context of the season, to say I love you to Buck like that in season 4 is so MONUMENTAL, that I wanna believe one of the writers straight up told him "yo this is a love confession" and explained it to him like that, and he has been playing Eddie with that line in mind ever since, and that's why he had that locked and loaded for the interview. Because, like, I, in my most normal day, am out here arguing they casted Ryan with a plan, even more considering the way Eddie was written for Ryan, they could very much have told him "look, play with the chemistry you and Oliver have, if the audience likes with might amp it up, if we're lucky we might go there someday" because you have moments in season 2, but season 2 is still very low stakes, but then when I think about the the season 3 of it all, the there's nobody in this world I trust with my son more than you, the lawsuit, and well of it all and the way they put Ryan in pr jail after Eddie begins, an episode that would retroactively be HUGE for buddie but it's pretty big for them anyway, I'm like 🤔 because we all saw Ryan talking about buddie this past month, the guy CANT SHUT UP, and if he was told something during season 3 or 4 along the line of "play it up, we are gonna fight to make this happen", putting him in pr jail would make sense, because they can't risk him saying something if they're not sure they can deliver, because how fast they dealt with Buck being bi while in a new network makes me convinced someone on fox was blocking it and nothing will convince me otherwise. But now they can, so they let Ryan run free. Because you can make a VERY strong argument that Eddie is aware of something during season 5 and 6, season 6 most of all, but you can very much make season 5 queer coded and have Eddie be like "oh I can't ignore how I feel about him anymore", because Ryan also said something about Eddie's breakdown and how that's what allowed Eddie to let Buck "know who Eddie truly is" which is interesting with the way Eddie is constructed, because if Buck is inside the last wall Eddie had up, what's actually stopping Eddie to see he's in love with Buck by the end of the season? Which would make season 6 as a pining season for Eddie make sense. Down to the way the cemetery seems to be pulling these very specific reactions from Eddie that are the same reactions we saw him have in breakups and flights with Shannon. But also things like Eddie's reaction to the lightning being something we never saw from Eddie before AND the way Oliver talked about a scene of Eddie losing his composure during in another life, not during in a flash that we didn't get to see most likely because they completely rearranged 6b because they thought they were gonna get cancelled, so they wouldn't be able to deliver what they had in mind. But now they have nothing but time, season 8 is already confirmed, and by the looks of it abc was like "go for it" with buddie in a way that fox never was, so they finally got to tell Ryan "we're doing it, go crazy" and now we are here. They could prove me right today. About Eddie not about Ryan knowing and some secret plan being in place forever. I don't think it's gonna happen. I seriously don't think it's gonna happen. I'd be more surprised to be proved right than wrong here. But the conspiracy theory is a possibility that felt very real for a second there during promo season lol

[lemotmo]

https://screenrant.com/911-season-8-oliver-stark-interview/

Very curious to see your thoughts on this new interview

It sounded a lot of the same to me. Though the addition now of him saying viewing it was rose tinted glasses had me chuckling. Like my guy just keeps spelling out doom more and more.

I was curious about the no jealous from Tommy. I know earlier there was an ask from Ali where she mentioned their issues should be Eddie related. Have either of your changed your mind on it after this ? He does say no jealousy from Tommy. So I guess it could be coming from Eddie. Or he could be lying 😂 honestly as long as Tommy doesn’t utter any variation of it’s Eddie to Buck I’m good because I can not stomach the idea of him being in every oh moment video going forward. Once he’s served his purpose I never wanna see him again lol.

I definitely loved the bit about Chris. Getting that confirmation of it was never he didn’t want to or feel like he couldn’t go to Buck, it was just Chris needed more space then down the road from his dad. Which makes sense. Now we just need Helena to promptly butt out so healing can begin.

Also it might be incredibly petty of me but the whole he might not be bucks biological kid, but it’s still very painful for Buck to not have him here and he’s such a major part of his life etc. I want to find every single one of those fans who spent the entire hiatus trying to say that Buck and Chris relationship was a burden on him forced by Eddie. Like no no. Chris is not bucks biologically, but that’s his kid, period. The impact of him leaving is hitting Buck just like it’s hitting Eddie, his actual biological father. That debate is now closed.

I got so many of asks in the same vein as the ones above. So I'm answering them all in one go. 😋

Yeah, Oliver said a lot of the same things, I agree.

But the whole 'no jealousy from Tommy' thing was interesting. If there's no jealousy from Tommy's side and no jealousy from Eddie's side, then what? I mean, Tim did talk about the fact that he didn't want to go the Eddie feels alone because Tommy and Buck are together route.

So I'm thinking this might not be about Tommy or Eddie, just like Oliver said in one of his interviews. His bisexuality is his and his alone and it's separate from Tommy or Eddie. So maybe Buck really makes a conscious choice to break up with Tommy, because he knows they aren't right for each other. He chooses to set himself free to find that one great love he is still craving. This is my ideal scenario by the way. I never thought it would happen, but after this interview? I wonder. 🤔

This then means that Buck's realisation that he likes Eddie as more than just a friend could possibly come after he has broken up with Tommy. Now that he has discovered his bisexuality, he can now see Eddie as an option. Of course, he'll shut up about it, because Eddie is 'straight' (as far as he knows).

In the mean time, Eddie might just come to some of his own realisations about Buck.

(The 'truths Tommy and Buck uncover about each other' is the only thing that makes me doubt the above theory a little. Mainly because we all know Tommy's uncomfortable truths, but what are Buck's? Could it be that he does realise his feelings for Eddie before he breaks up with Tommy? Or maybe he has known for a while? I don't know. That was just such a strange line.)

The part of the interview I sat up for was this:

In the previous paragraph he was saying that he wanted Buck to be an authentic version of himself. He then continuous with: 'once he has found that in one aspect of his life, it can spread to others'.

So basically, if he gets to be confident and authentic in his bisexuality, this can spread to other areas of his life. Areas like work, family relationships and friend relationships. Not a word about romance or his current romantic relationship to be found here, which is... interesting. 👀👀👀👀👀

As for the Chris part. I mean, once again he emphasises how important Chris is to Buck. He sees him as a son. And Chris will forever and always be tied to Eddie, so that means Eddie is just as important to him. They are a unit by now: Eddie, Chris and Buck. There's no breaking them up and Oliver knows it.

[extasiswings]

it’s wildly apparent to me that they fully pivoted and went in a whole new direction from what they originally planned for a slower, more drawn out 6B and I’m not mad about it but I do think it’s hilarious. <- how so? I'm curious about the direction change and from what to what? 🤔

Sure! So, we all complained about the pacing of 6A, right? And how weird it felt to have such strong Vibes right out the gate in the premiere setting forth the couch metaphor and the theme of "missing what is right in front of you" only to then shift away from that completely to the sperm donor arc, which itself felt oddly paced? By the end of 6A, I was still fully on the train of "S6 is the season of some sort of Buddie canon, I'm just not 100% sure what that looks like," but couldn't tell if the pacing issues were a matter of working out the kinks with a new showrunner, or if there was something more at play behind the scenes that was leading to creative tension (and to be clear when I say that I mean something above Kristen's level because the haters don't give her enough credit for everything she's done for the development of this ship).

But regardless! We got 6A, it was what it was, including Tomorrow which was not only a gorgeous love story for Henren but was loud as HELL with Buddie parallels, and then what we saw on our screens with the sperm donor arc was that Buck 100% had not thought through the "donor-not-dad" situation, he literally announced he was going to be a father, we got to see Eddie react but not really respond at all...and after all that when they started teasing 6B is was all about how Eddie was suddenly going to start thinking about dating again (which was framed as much more thoughtful and a major 6B arc), and how Buck was going to be "struggling with boundaries" over the sperm donor situation right off the bat because he hadn't thought things through, etc etc (which FULLY tracked what we saw with the onesie etc at the end of 6x09). So I started thinking, okay, if that's the game, it seems like despite the heavy-handedness in the beginning, they're taking a much slower path to Buddie canon where the season ends with Buck using the sperm donor arc to accept what he is to Christopher/what he already has there but leaving the question of his love life couch unresolved, and if Eddie is dating then it's probably at least partly a reaction to the sperm donor situation and feeling like that flicker of hope about how maybe some of the things you think are only "fantasies" can actually come true was dashed.

Except...then 6x10 happened. And suddenly Buck had done a complete 180 and was totally fine with the fact that he was only a donor. There was no struggling with boundaries, there was no scene with Bobby unpacking that struggle (which iirc Oliver had specifically teased), and suddenly both Oliver and Kristen in interviews were basically like "if you ever heard us say Buck was going to have an issue with this or saw anything in canon to suggest that, no you didn't actually" which...okay? And Eddie fully lost it over Buck getting struck by lightning? And was then framed as a grieving spouse all through 6x11? And then 6x12 came out of nowhere with Buck on Eddie's damn COUCH (after Oliver confirmed that the couch metaphor is real and Buck absolutely equates couches with romantic relationships etc etc) and another kitchen scene + shooting conversation that I'm still in shock over? And then there were other, little things that I probably wouldn't have thought anything of under normal circumstances, but that felt relevant once 6B actually hit and everything seemed so different.

Like how they seemed to have done pretty extensive reshoots for 6x10. Like how the first mention we had that the Buckleys were coming back was in reference to 6x11 (which itself seemed to me at least to be framed as sort of comic?), but oh hey, actually they're in 6x10, sike. Like how it took ages to get episode titles and other 6B info (writers, etc). Like how 6x12 feels like it could have easily just been exclusively a Bobby episode (and frankly with the way they talked about it, I expected more flashbacks with Wendell and Bobby) and while the Buck (and Buddie) subplot works, it also feels like almost a totally separate episode. Like how Ryan is apparently in every episode of 6B despite traditionally being gone for two episodes per season. Like how there has been zero mention of Eddie's love life in canon yet despite the fact that Eddie dating was originally framed as if it was supposed to be a major part of 6B. Like how Marisol's actress posted about not knowing if whatever she filmed (I'm assuming related to Eddie) had aired yet despite the fact that this is a major network tv show (which at least to me reads as if things were moved around). Like how Eddie dating no longer appears to be the deep, thoughtful, potentially angsty arc about him choosing to explore himself that it was originally framed as, but looks like instead it's mostly comic and the result of his aunt?

Anyway, to me at least all of that is super sus and feels like whatever issue there was behind the scenes was resolved somewhere around the time of the midseason finale, they totally flipped directions on whatever slow, drawn out plan they had, and now they've slammed on the gas and are hightailing it towards full out Buddie canon in the finale. Idk if it's because they're worried about renewal or if they just don't want to fuck around anymore, but whatever the case, I am extremely curious about the next six episodes (and really really really want to know if I'm right about Buddie trapped dads in the finale).

[chevelleneech]

So the BuckTommy interview is before the new episode airs🤔 Now I’m curious if it’s a red herring?

It’s not what I was expecting, but it would make sense to me. BT is a popular pairing right now, it’s also “controversial” since the majority of fans and the media have spent years talking about Buddie. So to have them do promo together for the first time all season, it would lead people to assume a big relationship development is coming for a good reason. And the best way to tell a story is to use that excitement and then crush it.

I’m not sure how they’ll do it with such a packed plot, but maybe? Either way, the hype for future BT is what ABC and Tim would likely be going for, but after the episode would make more sense, no? Buck and Tommy have a big (for them) moment, and it gets talked about once the episode is over to keep momentum for their ship flowing into the finale.

Having the interview be before though… idk. The momentum in my head, becomes, “How can we big this up to mislead the audience for a better reaction to the fall?”

I keep saying it, but I can go either way with BT. I like them enough to want to see what could come of them, but I also think it’s a poorly written relationship thus far and if it ends it ends. My point, however, is that a pre-episode interview does lead me to think BT won’t end well.

Even if they’ve split the interview into two parts and are waiting to drop the second half once whatever scene they may have filmed airs, I’m conflicted as to how this could be a positive. They can’t discuss anything except what’s happened in canon thus far, which hasn’t been anything.

Say what you want if you bias the ship, but Buck and Tommy haven’t done anything as a couple, so they can’t even go back through scenes to talk about their build up. All they’ve got are two kisses, and a boring interview that would make if that’s all we’re going to hear them mention.

So I’m really curious if we’re going to see flowery, light-hearted chit chat? You know? Because I imagine we’ll hear them mention BT having “big moments” and possibly about how Oliver and Lou worked hard to make sure they hit all their emotional beats. Vague, but good enough to induce excitement from their shippers and unhappiness from Buddie shippers, only to then have that not be exactly how the episode plays out.

Because big moments with emotional beats do not have to equal confessions of love or desire to continue dating despite XYZ. It could very easily be a breakup or a death. I don’t think they’ll kill Tommy off, and it would be such lazy writing to do so, but who knows.

Anyway, I had higher hopes when I thought it’d be an after episode interview, because that led me to assume there’d be a reason Lou was doing promo alongside Oliver. A pre-interview has me thinking back on typical cast promo (not 911, but tv dramas in general) that needs to keep viewers hopes up, but will circle back with the actors to speak on the “shocking reveal!” once it’s all said and done.

[destinyc1020]

Watching the FFH press now knowing they weren’t together at the time, you can tell things were off between them. Like you said, I think they were on more of a break and possibly still hooking up because some days were more tense than others. Also it makes me believe the Audrey v2 tea a little bit more of T being the one to pump the breaks on things because Z always seemed a little more hot and cold during the interviews.

I don’t know how to explain it but she would either be really sweet with him or she would be at his throat lol. Usually she is one to make fun of him always but she actually showed a softer side with him. I’m thinking of the costume interview or the wired interview. And like a typical man he just seemed oblivious to it all. But also seemed to flirt with her at times like they were still hooking up. And they obviously still had feelings for one another.

I know none of what I said made sense but just a reading I got from them 😂. Basically Z maybe thought things were going to work out and moved forward like things were normal but T initiated the break and was backing off more. We all know he’s the more emotional one of the two. Plus the breakup was new so I think they naturally fell into their old ways. I also don’t think it was a nasty breakup at that time. I just feel like Z acted how I would’ve acted if a guy broke up with me but I was still trying to make things work (which has unfortunately happened 😑).

I’m done talking in circles now lol. Just something I’ve always thought about while watching those old interviews.

(I hope you have a comfortable chair!!)

Whew girl it was a confusing time back then. 😩 We didn't even realize they had broken up, that's how "cool" they were lol. 😅

Of course, now we'd prob be able to pick up on way more things since we have more "experience" lol.

But yea I agree with you, I'm still not 100% sure the Audrey Tea v2.0 isn't true. Imo it actually makes more sense if Tom broke it off or initiated a breakup first. Who knows? 🤷🏾‍♀️ He could have voiced some concerns about the rlshp, and she was trying to sort of do things a little differently so that he wouldn't be upset with the status quo. I def feel like the obsessive hiding was one of the main things behind the breakup, because it seems that now they have found a healthy "medium" and are doing things a bit differently this time around. Obviously the main issue wasn't distance, because Z was still dating JE even though he flew back to Australia, and Tom prob would have long since moved to LA by now if distance was their MAIN issue. I'm thinking the H/L/D/DC, public friend-zoning, the constant chaperones, and the jealousy (romantic) btwn the two of them were the main things that seemed to cause the most issues/tension in the rlshp.

That actually makes more sense to me than her breaking up with him out of the blue (for what reason exactly? 🥴), and it goes more in line with what HIS pattern is (initiating breakups) than hers. She didn't even initiate the Zevor breakup, and there were signs he was cheating. 👀 She just (like a lot of women) chose to believe his lies cuz he was her first love, and ignored all of the glaring red flags because she wanted to believe him. I'm not even sure if she initiated the Jacdaya breakup tbh, or if JE broke things off (prob to pursue Kaia 👀), or if he actually did smthg jerky or pulled away slowly and Z just ended up breaking it off. Claire's quotes just seemed very telling around that time. He also has seemed to be putting out olive branches almost like he knows he either dumped her or did smthg to make her dump him, but meanwhile she's like done with him lol. 👀 Like, no sympathy whatsoever. Would she be acting that way if SHE dumped him for reasons that had nothing to do with him personally? 🤔 I'll be honest, that's not how I usually act when I'm the dumper, unless the person really did smthg horrible like cheated or smthg.

It would also make more sense to me that Tom must have known that Z still loved him at least on some level if he's still reaching out to her after the Tolivia incident. Idk why ppl try to paint Tom as some lovesick guywho got dumped, AND was still reaching out... It doesn't make sense to me. They obviously both still had feelings for each other, and I think they both knew it too. And, keep in mind, he had no issue with giving her a birthday post even though she was clearly in Greece with another man at the time. 😅 Idk that just seems pretty ballsy for a guy who got DUMPED by that same woman to do smthg like that lol. Idk.... maybe that's just me? Or maybe they just really wanted to try to act as "normal" as possible so that ppl wouldn't realize that they had been dating each other all along? Who knows at this point lol? 🤷🏾‍♀️ Either way, they both seemed to want to remain friends after the breakup, and so that right there was a sign that they still loved each other on some level.

Anyway, it seems like it's more Tom's pattern to initiate breakups, and he doesn't seem like he wastes any time either if the rlshp isn't working for him anymore.

Here's another possibility..... It seems like the breakup COULD have actually been mutual.... meaning, they both realized it was prob for the best. Most breakups or breaks aren't really mutual lol, but maybe some are lol 😆

Then there's the other idea that they could have just been on a "break", and then Tom got caught with Olivia and it became a firm breakup. 👀 (Ross/Rachel theory)

I've even toyed with the idea that PERHAPS they had broken up briefly before (quietly) maybe back in Dec of 2018, but perhaps it was REAL BRIEF (for like a week lol), but then they decided they missed each other too much and decided to get back together again, but hadn't really FIXED the issues in the rlshp, so they got back together, but their issues weren't really resolved, and so then it ended up causing more issues, until they just both decided to call it quits in May. That would actually explain why the breakup in May seemed so chill..... It seemed there was more "drama" and hurt feelings AFTER the Tolivia incident. Perhaps originally one or both of them were kind of expecting that they would just get back together again soon after things calmed down some after the press tour, but then when Tom was caught with Olivia, maybe Z was then like, "ohhh.... so it's like OVER over.... gotcha...", and then swiftly moved on to JE. 😏

Girl, there are SO many theories, and I've had many swirling around in my mind for a while, and I've heard many theories from other fans as well, etc.....

At the end of the day, the bottom line is, they weren't over each other, and who broke up with whom doesn't really seem to matter right now, because whatever happened in the past, they seem like they are long-since over it and are starting over anew with their rlshp. 🥰❤

[lemotmo]

The nonnie talking about ABC using or not using footage made me think about something...it's technically Bucktommy related but also just a curiosity about how the network functions.

I see an argument from some Tevans about how the marketing is favoring Tevan and thus pushing them to be a thing next season. Their evidence for this usually boils down to Lou and Oliver's interview being one of the only interviews for the end of S7, and Tevan's inclusion in the kiss cam video. And...no, that's about it. The argument is mostly built on those two things generating articles.

But let's run with that for a moment, and assume for a sec that the marketing IS pushing Tevan...would that not mean that the marketing side of the show and the writing side of the show aren't talking to each other? Because the writing of the show is clearly pushing Buddie, with their many, many choices they made in S7 to center those two, their connection, their importance to each other, etc. But I do get that the Buddie storyline is harder to show in a promo product, especially if they're trying to overtly show their queer representation with Buck. (Though idk, the bachelor party footage was pretty queer).

So i'd be curious to know how much the writing team actually shares with the marketing department in terms of future content, and how much the marketing team just runs with whatever they have on hand. The marketing department may only have as much information as we have, and they don't know that Buddie's first kiss is in S8E4 (manifesting it for Ryan's 100th episode). So of course they'll keep posting the couple they have footage of, even if that couple is breaking up within the season premiere.

So in short I'd just be really curious to find out how much "they know" compared to us. Because for all we know any and all official marketing materials could be taken with a grain of salt because they're built solely on the stuff that has happened already with no information on what's GOING to happen.

Nonny, I raise a good point here. 🤔 I have never thought of this.

I can't be sure, but I have a feeling that marketing teams from the general networks don't know as much about the ins and outs of the shows they promote. They just use the material they have on hand. Or they might even get sent some things which they will then use.

But I suppose the specific marketing teams, such as the 911onABC one, probably know a little more about what they need to promote. I mean, they would have to know a few key points in order to promote the right ship for example. Or to promote the big disaster that's happening. This season we got that bee video, so they have to know at least the bare bones of what's going on in season 8.

But this is all just conjecture here. Take this with a bag of salt. I don't work in marketing or PR, so I'm not very familiar with that world.