#Ocyrrhoe

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So we don’t know much about Imbrasos other than:

1. He is a guy that exists

2. Hera was born by his River (which implies that Rhea trusted or at least knew him)

3. His wife’s name is Chesias, and she’s hot af.

4. His daughter Ocyrhoe was kidnapped by Apollo and her fate is unknown (Tho I’d like to imagine she escaped).

This means I get tons of creative freedom designing and writing him. Also this Samian coin makes him look like he has a dad bod lol

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Sometimes Ovid gives us nothing (*ahem* Medusa *ahem*), sometimes he gives us everything.

Apparently Chiron had a daughter (whose name differs from one source to another) who is... quite interesting and fascinating at the same time, yet I haven't seen anyone talking about her. Hyginus mentions three different myth versions of her story:

Pseudo-Hyginus, Astronomica 2. 18 (trans. Grant) (Roman mythographer C2nd A.D.) :

"Euripides [Greek playwright C5th B.C.] in his Melanippe, says that Melanippe, daughter of Chiron the Centaurus (Centaur), was once called Thetis. Brought up on Mount Helicon, a girl especially fond of hunting, she was wooed by Aeolus, son of Hellen, and grandson of Jove [Zeus], and conceived a child by him. When her time drew near, she fled into the forest, so that her father, who supposed her a virgin, might not see that she had given birth to a grandchild. And so when her father was looking for her, she is said to have begged the power of the gods not to let her father see her in childbirth. After the child was born, by the will of the gods she was changed into a mare which was placed among the stars.

Some say that she was a prophetess, and because she used to reveal the plans of the gods to men, she was changed into a mare.

Callimachus [Greek poet C3rd B.C.] says that because she ceased hunting and worshipping Diana [Artemis], Diana changed her into the shape we have mentioned. For the reason above, too, she is said to be out of sight of the Centaurus, who come say is Chiron, and to show only half her body, since she didn't want her sex to be known."

The second one isn't eleborated, and is presented here more like a "Did you know that...?"

Then there is this passage from the Metamorphoses:

Ovid, Metamorphoses 2. 636 ff (trans. Melville) (Roman epic C1st B.C. to C1st A.D.) :

"One day the Centaurus' [Kheiron's (Chiron's)] daughter came, her auburn hair falling upon her shoulders, whom the Nympha Chariclo once had borne upon the bank beside a flowing river, and had named Ocyroe (Swift-Flowing). The girl was not content to know her father's art: she prophesied fate's dark secrets. In the mystic mood of prophecy, when hidden in her heart the heavenly fervour glowed, she fixed her eyes upon the child [i.e. Asklepios (Asclepius), who was then in the care of Kheiron]. ‘Grow strong, dear boy,’ she said ‘Healer of the world. Often men shall owe health and life, and yours shall be the right to win again departed souls, and, though you dare this once in heaven's despite, Jove's [Zeus'] bolt will thwart that gift a second time. You, now divine, shall be a lifeless corpse, and from a corpse become divine again, and twice you shall renew your destiny [i.e. he was deified following his death through the intercession of Apollon]. You too, dear father [Kheiron], you, immortal now and destined by your birthright to live on through all eternity, will long to die when you are tortured by the serpent's blood [poisoned by an arrow coated with Hydra's blood], that agonizing poison in your wounds; and, saved from immortality, the gods shall put you in death's power, and the three goddesses (Deae Triplices) [i.e. the Moirai] shall unloose your threads of fate.’

More prophecies remained, but then she sighed, sighed deeply, and as tears rolled down her cheeks she cried, ‘Fate forestalls me! I'm forbidden to tell you more. My power of speech is stopped. My arts--oh! never worth so much!--have brought Heaven's wrath upon me. Would I'd never known the future! Surely now my human shape is stolen away; the food I like is grass; I feel the urge to frisk in open fields. I'm changing to a mare--a family shape--but why the whole of me? When plainly half my father's human?’

As she spoke, her last protests were almost meaningless, her words were all confused, sounds that seemed neither words nor whinnies, more like mimicking a mare. Soon she was whinnying clearly, and her arms walked on the grass, and then her fingers joined, and their five nails were bound in a light hoof of undivided horn; her mouth and neck increased in size; her trailing dress became a tail; the hair that wandered on her neck fell as a mane down on the right-hand side; and so her voice and shape alike were new, and that weird change gave her a new name too [i.e. Hippe meaning mare]. Philyreius [Kheiron], the centaur half-divine, invoked, weeping, the lord of Delphi, but in vain. Apollo had no power to countermand great Jove's [Zeus'] decrees and, had he had the power, he was not there."

This fragment is genuinely great for different reasons:

Here her name is Ocyrrhoe, which means Swift-Flowing. Meanwhile Melanippe literally means Black-Mare, and it's supposed to foreshadow her fate. But in this version her parents gave her a beautiful name.

We have a small description of her too (auburn hair).

In the previous fragment we do not get too much about her personality (outside of the fact that she loves hunting, which is a nice detail because her father was good at hunting too), not to mention that in the first version mentioned by Hyginus she seems to fall into the classic "Girl gets pregnant outside marriage then tries to hide her pregnancy from her parents." scenario. Here she's a goddamn prophetess.

Not only that she's a prophetess, but she knew about everyone's fate, including hers. She knew that Asclepcius will start rescuing people back to life, that Zeus will kill him and that he will be brought back to life as a god. She knew that Chiron will be killed by one of Heracles' venomous arrows. She knew that she will be eventually turned into a mare for revealing all these things, yet she continued to speak the truth anyway.

The scene where she's turned into a mare was beautifully written. It almost reminds me of that one disturbing scene from Pinocchio where one of his friends is turned into a donkey.

We have Chiron mourning his daughter and begging Apollo to bring her back to her human form. In the version where Melanippe is hiding from her father as he's searching for her we don't know wheter he would punish her after finding out about her child, or if he's just genuinely concerned about her. Here he's portrayed as a loving father.

Honestly the fact that now both Ocyrrhoe and Chiron are constellations is comforting, somehow. I'm wondering how a scene of them two reuniting in the night sky would look like.

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From my search I managed to find eight different figures named Melanippe and three different Aelous. 😅

There are also sources who consider Melanippe and Ocyrrhoe to be either the same person or different daughters of Chiron. I personally prefer the first possibility, because Hyginus mentions three different versions of the myth of Melanippe, and in the second one she was a prophetess that got punished because she revealed the secrets of the gods. Since Ocyrrhoe appears in Ovid's Metamorphoses and Ovid had a tendency to focus on characters that got unfairly punished by the gods on purpose, I consider Ocyrrhoe to be rather an alternative name that he gave to Melanippe.

Hi! Do you have, by any chance, any informations about the child of Melanippe (Chiron's daughter)? Both Theoi and Wikipedia gave me a headache, especially because there are different figures with the exact same name, as well as figures with different names whom Wikipedia identifies with each despite the fact that the sources they give do not seem to suggest any connection between them?...

Ok, I tried to look this up and I got hopelessly confused. It seems that the source that provides most accounts of this particular Melanippe is Hyginus' Astronomy, where her child by Aeolus remains unnamed. However, there are too many women named Melanippe and waaay too many men named Aeolus. I mean, just in this account there are three guys whose name is Aeolus:

"In the times before that which we are discussing the rest of the sons of Aeolus, who was the son of Hellen, who was the son of Deucalion, settled in the regions we have mentioned, but Mimas remained behind and ruled as king of Aeolis. Hippotes, who was born of Mimas, begat Aeolus by Melanippê, and Arnê, who was the daughter of Aeolus, bore Boeotus by Poseidon. But Aeolus, not believing that it was Poseidon who had lain with Arnê and holding her to blame for her downfall, handed her over to a stranger from Metapontium who happened to be sojourning there at the time, with orders to carry her off to Metapontium. And after the stranger had done as he was ordered, Arnê, while living in Metapontium, gave birth to Aeolus and Boeotus, whom the Metapontian, being childless, in obedience to a certain oracle adopted as his own sons." (Diodorus Siculus, Library of History 4.67.3-4).

I hate mythological genealogies! There is a Melanippe here as well, but is she the Melanippe daughter of Chiron? The first Aeolus mentioned here, son of Hellen, is the father of Chiron's daughter's child in the account of Hyginus, whereas this Melanippe mates with Hippotes, son of Mimas and gives birth to another Aeolus. They are likely different figures even though the theoi site suggests otherwise.

In Euripides' fragmentary "Wise Melanippe" it seems that the eponymous character is a daughter of Aeolus the son of Hellen while her mother is Chiron's daughter, here named Hippo. So Chiron's daughter, Melanippe/Hippo/Hippe/Thetis/Ocyrhoe or whatever her name may be, is the mother of another Melanippe.

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Lord Apollo and His Lovers

Sources:

The Delphi Guide - Apollo's Lovers

Theoi - Apollo's Lovers

Thought Co - Apollo's Lovers

His most famous loves are the nymph Daphne, princess Koronis (Coronis), huntress Kyrene (Cyrene) and youth Hyakinthos (Hyacinthus). Cyrene, Daphne, Acacallis, Bolina, Chione, Chrysothemis, Cyparissus, Hyacinthus, Hymenaeus, Psamathe, Rhoeo...

Divine goddesses he loved:

HEKATE (Hecate) The goddess of witchcraft was, according to one unusual account, the mother of the sea-monster Skylla by Apollon. (Skylla was usually called a daughter of the sea-gods Phorkys and Keto).

HESTIA The goddess of the hearth, was wooed by Apollon and Poseidon, who both sought to hand in marriage. She declined both and petitioned Zeus to allow her to remain an eternal virgin.

KALLIOPE (Calliope) One of the nine Mousai (Muses) who was, according to some, the mother by Apollon of the bards Orpheus and Linos (most, however, say their father was the Pierian King Oiagros).

MOUSAI (Muses) Apollon was said to have loved all nine Mousai, and not being able to marry all nine, chose to remain unwed.

OURANIA (Urania) One of the nine Mousai (Muses) who, according to some, was the mother of Linos by Apollon (though, some say his mother was the Mousa Kalliope).

THALEIA (Thalia) One of the nine Mousai (Muses) who, according to some, was the mother of the Korbyantes by Apollon.

Semi-Divine Loves:

AITHOUSA (Aethusa) A nymph of Boiotia (central Greece) who was loved by Apollon. She bore him a son named Eleuther.

AKAKALLIS (Acacallis) A nymph of Krete (Greek Aegean) who was loved by Apollon. She bore him twin sons: Philanderos and Phylakides. (Akakallis is perhaps an alternate name for Demeter's daughter Khrysothemis).

DAPHNE A Naiad-nymph of Arkadia (southern Greece) or Thessalia (northern Greece) who was loved by Apollon. She fled from his advances and was transformed into a laurel tree.

KHRYSOTHEMIS (Chrysothemis) A nymph and queen of Bubastos in Karia (Asia Minor), the wife of King Staphylos. She had three daughters, one of which, Parthenos, was sometimes said to be a child of Apollon's.

KORYKIA (Corycia) A Naiad-nymph of Phokis (central Greece) who bore Apollon a son named Lykoras.

KYRENE (Cyrene) A nymph or princess of the Lapith country of Thessalia (northern Greece). She was seduced by Apollon whilst hunting and bore him two offspring: Aristaios and Idmon.

LEUKONOE (Leuconoe) A nymph of Phokis (central Greece) who, according to some, was the mother by Apollon of the bard Philammon (most sources, however, say his mother was Khione).

MELAINA (Melaena) A Naiad-nymph of Phokis (central Greece) who, according to some, bore Apollon a son named Delphos (others say his mother was Thyia or Kelaino).

MELIA An Okeanid-nymph who was abducted from the home of her father to Thebes by the god Apollon. Her brother Kaanthos was sent to retrieve her and after burning down the temple of Apollon was slain by the god. Melia was the mother of two sons: Teneros and Ismenos (and perhaps Keos, unless the mother of this hero was another Melia).

OKYRRHOE (Ocyrrhoe) A Naiad-nymph of the island of Samos (Greek Aegean) who was pursued by Apollon and refuge on a boat leaving the island. The wrathful god turned the boat to stone and the skipper into a pilot-fish.

OTHREIS A nymph of Mt Othrys in Malis (northern Greece), who bore Apollon a son named Phagros.

OUREA (Urea) A sea-nymph of Troy (Asia Minor), daughter of Poseidon, who was loved by Apollon during the building of the walls of Troy. She bore the god a son named Ileus.

RHETIA A nymph who, according to some, was the mother of the Korybantes by Apollon. (Rhetia, may be a corruption of the name Rhea, mother of Zeus, the goddess whom the Kouretes served).

SINOPE A Naiad-nymph of Sikyonia (southern Greece) who was abducted by Apollon to the Black Sea coast of Assyria, where the city of Sinope was named for her. According to most sources, she tricked Apollon into swearing an oath promising her her virginity. Others, however, say she became the mother of Syros (eponymous King of Assyria) by the god.

STILBE A Naiad-nymph of the Lapith country of Thessalia (northern Greece) who bore Apollon two sons: Lapithes and Kentauros.

SYLLIS A nymph of Sikyonia (southern Greece) who bore Apollon a son named Zeuxippos.

Mortal Loves:

ADONIS A prince of the island Kypros (eastern Mediterranean) who was loved by the god Apollon. Adonis was described as androgynous, acting like a man in his affections for Aphrodite, and like a woman with Apollon.

HYAKINTHOS (Hyacinthus) A prince of Lakedaimonia (southern Greece) who was loved by the gods Apollon and Zephryos. He was accidentally slain by Apollon in a game of quoits and transformed into a flower.

HYMENAIOS (Hymenaeus) A prince of Magnesia in Thessalia (northern Greece) who was loved by Apollon.

KYPARISSOS (Cyparissus) A prince of the island Keos (Greek Aegean) loved by Apollon. When he died of grief over the death of a pet sttag, Apollon tranformed him into a cypress tree

AKALLE or AKAKALLIS (Acalle, Acacallis) A princess of the island of Krete (Greek Aegean) who was loved by Apollon and bore him a son Amphithemis (and according to some, also the hero Miletos).

AMPHISSA, ISSE or EUBOIA (Issa, Euboea) A princess of Dryopia (also known as Ozolean Lokris) (central Greece) who was seduced by Apollon in the disguise of a shepherd. Their son was Agreus, a King of Lord of neighbouring Euboia.

ARIA or DEIONE A lady of the island of Krete (Greek Aegean) who bore Apollon a son named Miletos.

ARSINOE A princess of Messenia (southern Greece) who was loved by Apollon and bore him a daughter Eriopis and, according to some, a son Asklepios (but the mother of the latter is usually said to be Koronis).

BOLINA The female eponym of the town of Bolina in Akhaia (southern Greece) who leapt into the sea to escape the advances of Apollon. The god tranformed her into an immortal Nymphe.

DEIONE See Aria (above).

DRYOPE A princess of Dryopia (central Greece) who was seduced by Apollon in the form of a tortoise. She bore him a son named Amphissos.

ERGINOS, WIFE OF A queen of Orkhomenos (central Greece), the wife of King Erginos who bore Apollon a son Trophonios (some, however, say his father was Erginos).

EUADNE (Evadne) A princess or nymph of Arkadia (southern Greece) who was loved by Apollon and bore him a son, Iamos.

EUBOIA See Amphissa (above).

HEKABE (Hecuba) A queen of Troy (Asia Minor), the wife of King Piamos, who was loved by Apollon and bore him a son Troilos.

HYPERMNESTRA A queen of Argos (central Greece), wife of King Oikles, who was loved by Apollon and bore him a son Amphiaraus (others, however, say he was fathered by Oikles).

HYRIA or THYRIA A woman--perhaps from Hyria in Boiotia (central Greece)--who bore Apollon a son Kyknos.

ISSE See Amphissa (above).KASSANDRA (Cassandra) A princess and sibylla (prophetess) of Troy (Asia Minor) who was loved by Apollon. She tricked Apollon into granting her the gift of prophecy but refused to lie with him and was cursed by the god.

KELAINO (Celaeno) A lady of Phokis (central Greece) who, according to some, was the mother of Delphos by Apollon (others, however, say the mother was Melaina or Thyia).

KHIONE or PHILONIS (Chione) A princess of Phokis (central Greece) who was loved by Apollon. She lay with both him and the god Hermes on the same night and bore twins: Apollon's child was named Philammon.

KHRYSORTHE (Chrysorthe) A princess of Sikyonia (southern Greece) who bore Apollon a son named Koronos.

KORONIS (Coronis) A princess of Oikhalia in Thessalia (northern Greece) and lover of Apollon. When the god discovered her infidelity with a mortal man, his sister Artemis struck her down. Their child, Asklepios, was rescued from the pregnant belly of the dead mother.

KREOUSA (Creusa) A princess of Athens in Attika (central Greece), wife of Lord Xouthos, who was loved by Apollon and bore him a son Ion (though others say Xouthos was the father).

KYRENE (Cyrene) A princess or nymph of the Lapithai tribe of Thessalia (northern Greece). She was seduced by Apollon whilst hunting and carried off to Kyrene in Libya where she bore him Aristaios (and, according to some, also the seer Idmon).

LEUKIPPOS, WIFE OF (Leucippus' wife) A queen of Messenia (southern Greece) who, according to some, was the mother of the Leukippides by Apollon (most, however, say that her husband Leukippos was the father).

MANTO A sibylla (prophetess) of Apollon in Thebes, Boiotia (central Greece). She was loved by Apollon and bore him a son, the great seer Mopsos (though, according to some, his father was Rhakios).

MARPESSA A princess of Aitolia (central Greece), who was wooed by Apollon and the hero Idas. She chose Idas over the god, fearing that Apollon would abandon her in old age.

PARTHENOPE A princess of the island of Samos (Greek Aegean) who bore Apollon a son Lykomedes.

PHILONIS See Khione above.

PHTHIA A sibylla (prophetess) of the oracle of Apollon at Delphoi in Phokis (central Greece). She bore Apollon the first three Kings of Aitolia: Polypoites, Doros, and Laodokos.

PROKLEIA (Procleia) A queen of Kolonai in the Troad (Asia Minor) who, according to some, was the mother by Apollon of Tenes (others say his father was her husband King Kyknos).

PSAMATHE A princess of Argos (southern Greece) who bore Apollon a son named Linos.

RHOIO (Rhoeo) A princess of the island of Naxos (Greek Aegean) who was loved by Apollon. When her father learned of her pregnancy he locked her in a chest and cast her into the sea. She landed on the island of Delos and there bore Apollon a son named Anios.

SIBYLLA KUMAIA (Cumaean Sibyl) A sibylla (prophetess) of Kumai in Kampania (southern Italy) who was loved by Apollon. She tricked him into granting her an unnaturally long life but refused to lie with him and so was cursed by the god.

THERO A lady of Boiotia (central Greece) who bore Apollon a son named Khairon.

THYIA A priestess of Dionysos in Phokis (central Greece) who, according to some, was the mother of Delphos by Apollon (other accounts call his mother Melaina or Kelaino).

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ancient greek word of the day: καλυκῶπις, -ιδος, feminine adjective derived from κάλυξ (lit. covering, specifically used of flowers: bud, flower cup) and ὤψ
(face, eyes, countenance)

epithet of persephone in the homeric hymn to demeter (8), of the oceanid ocyrrhoe in the homeric hymn to demeter (420) and an orphic fragment (49ii.23), of nymphs in the homeric hymn to aphrodite (284)

translations: ‘flower-faced’ (helene foley, sarah ruden, gregory nagy), ‘blushing’ (liddell-scott-jones, susan c. shelmerdine), ‘like a budding flower in face’ (liddell-scott-jones), ‘roseate’ (liddell-scott-jones), ‘pretty’ (sarah ruden), ‘bloom-like’ (hugh g. evelyn-white), ‘flower-like’ (hugh g. evelyn-white),  ‘fair as a flower’ (hugh g. evelyn-white),  ‘with budding face’ (michael crudden), ‘blossoming’ (diane rayor), ‘with a flower’s beauty,’ (apostolos k. athanassakis), ‘with a face like a flower,’ (apostolos k. athanassakis), ‘with a petal-soft face’ (apostolos k. athanassakis),

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WIP Introduction: THE DEVIL WEED

The Neda planetary system contains unfathomable amounts of valuable lanthanides--enough to make it the most populated of humanity’s budding network of interplanetary colonies. With the rule of law stretched thin and no clear leader to patch it, León joins the migrating masses with one goal in mind: to get away with murder. 

And he does. 

Bloody and disoriented on Neda’s arctic moon Ocyrrhoe, León is rescued by the merchant ship The Devil Weed. Welcomed by a secretive but joyful crew, León faces a rebirth he never expected, and with it a choice: become the person he should have been? Or become the person he's now free to be?

And then he doesn’t.

Within two fortnights, the bastard’s body is dug up by the authorities--along with three others in the same ditch. Framed for murders he didn’t commit and faced with the one he did, the web of secrets aboard The Devil Weed ensnares León and tangles him in a game of power, politics, and the largest cartel outside of the Milky Way.

Image text below the cut.

“If I were nothing like him, I wouldn’t be here: I would have stayed Earth-side, and mourned, and gone on. Instead I obsessed. I planned. I traced revenge over and over, trampled its path smooth in my mind. I gave up everything to chase one rush—to kill him. I killed him. I killed him and felt nothing but joy for killing him. I ruined my life for a single, incomprehensible moment of joy, and joy was shaped like a knife. So, no. I’m exactly like him. All that’s left to be afraid of is myself.”

Image 1 || Image 2 courtesy of NASA || Image 3

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Favourite Characters

Athena

Hermes

Hephaestus

Demeter

Hades

Prometheus

Chiron

Chariclo

Ocyrrhoe

Erichthonius

The Sphinx

Asterion

Cerberus

Perseus

Oedipus

Cronus

Favourite Myths/Plays/Poems

Oedipus Rex

Dialogues of the Dead

Homeric Hymns to Demeter

The Myth of Sisyphus

The Myth of Prometheus

The Titanomachy

Favorite character from Greek mythology + favorite myth from Greek mythology?

Favorite characters

I'll turn this into a tag game : @margaretkart @dootznbootz @sarafangirlart @aliciavance4228 @katerinaaqu @hermesmoly @go-rocksquadsfan @sanska @vint-knight .

And @anon (you can give your answer in another ask 😉).

So, I have a loooooooot of faves. This list is long.

Here are mine :

Nobody. Yeah, in reality, I hate mythology and just pretend I like it. Or I just love making puns about my favorite lying war criminal. Who didn't cheat btw.

Penelope. These two are soulmates btw, no ifs or buts. I always found her underrated and @dootznbootz 's ramblings on her confirm that. Cunning and sassy half-naiad queen.

"The delian twins", as I like to call them. Idk I really love their multifaceted natures of protectors and deadly huntress/inflictor of illnesses (with an affinity towards plague). And their familial bond is precious. And I like them both equally, even though I talk about Apollo a bit more ig.

Leto. She's precious. They're always ready to defend each other. Like when Apollo and Artemis killed Niobe's kids because she was disrespectful to Leto. Or when Leto came in to save her son from being thrown in Tartarus by Zeus. Or when baby Artemis helped her mother deliver her brother. She fought for her children and now they fight for her.

Hestia. Too bad there isn't more about her because I relate a lot to the concept of chilling at home and staying away from drama.

Ariadne. Because of her family's tragic history, her healing from it with Dionysus (in most versions) and overall, she's great. Also, it's funny how Theseus wanted to marry a child of Zeus but his ex girlfriend actually succeeded 😂. Speaking of her family tragedy...

Asterius. I bet most adaptation authors don't know who I am referring to 🤣. He's a man-eating monster, yes, but he grew up isolated, trapped and unloved. I feel so bad for him.

Perseus. The GOAT. Partly thanks to @sarafangirlart. I already liked him since I always knew he wanted to save his mother, but he genuinely grew on me since I read her posts. That and when I learned of his war against Dionysus. Extremely underrated story.

Athena. Idk I don't think I need to elaborate on why she's cool.

Hades. In retellings, I often hate him because he's either woobified or made into "Greek Satan" (at least in Disney he's fun), but he's genuinely cool in mythology. Morally gray Hades save me.

Hermes. From birth, he was always a little trickster. I love how much functions he has (messenger of the gods, god of merchants, thieves, communication, also a psychopomp btw). A very energetic and helpful god.

Asclepius. I think I should make a post explaining why he's great because, yeah, I don't talk much about him even though there are things to say (yeah it's because I did a lot of research on him).

And... finally... Dionysus 🤣. Of course he made it in this list. I dedicated a whole essay series about this god, come on !

Honorable mentions : Hector, Andromache, Menelaus, Demeter, Telemachus, Hephaestus, Hippolytus, Danae, Ares and many others.

Favorite myths/plays/poems

I already answered that but can't find the post. So I'll do it again, with some new answers in mind. Basically "the myths with the characters on the list".

It's either because they're that compelling or just hilarious.

The homeric cycle. Ok, an easy one.

The Bacchae by Euripides (mandatory reading if you want to understand Dionysus imo. No excuses).

The frogs by Aristophanes. Because it's funny.

Asclepius' story. Seriously I'll elaborate on it one day.

Hermes' birth story. Him stealing Apollo's cows and Apollo getting mad about his scallywag of a brother 🤣🤣. And then just him gaining Apollo over with the lyre.

Pirithous and Theseus getting their asses stuck on a chair (yes this is my title for this story). I love to mock these two, especially Pirithous because... give this man a Darwin award please. No thoughts and no survival instincts in his brain 😂.

Orpheus and Eurydice. Simple but powerful.

The Argonautica. Aka a huge crossover. Seeing more interactions between all these heroes would be awesome (especially if we take every version into account 👀. So many faces...). It's funny how I love the Argonautica but never talk about Jason himself 🤣🤣. The embodiment of the protagonist who's less interesting than the other characters.

Perseus' war against Dionysus. A potential retelling about this myth would go so hard !! Especially since we could get a scary Dionysus. Hopefully it doesn't get ruined :(

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I can't seem to find much about ocroe, what happened to her after a poll got his hands on her?

Nothing about it is written. We have to remember that the story was written to explain the origin of pilot fish, so Ocyrrhoe is not at all the focus here, which is why there is no information on what happened to her later.

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Chiron Greek Mythology

Chiron was an important character in Greek mythology, known as the justest and wisest of all the centaurs. He was highly intelligent and was a tutor to several important figures in Greek myth. Chiron possessed knowledge of medicine and was civilized in comparison to other centaurs, who were often regarded as wild and savage beasts.

Although Chiron was believed to be immortal, his life ended at the hands of Heracles, the demigod. Here’s the story of the most respected and loved centaur in all of Greek mythology and how he came to his tragic end.

Chiron’s Origins

Chiron was the son of Philyra, an Oceanid, and Cronus, the Titan. Centaurs had a reputation for being barbaric. They were lustful and only interested in drinking and merrymaking. However, because of his parentage, Chiron was different from other centaurs and had a more noble, honorable disposition. Chiron was also slightly different in appearance, since his front legs were said to be those of a human rather than those of a horse, like the average centaur.

When Chiron was born, his mother Philyra was disgusted and ashamed of her child. She abandoned him but he was found by Apollo, the god of archery. Apollo raised Chiron and taught him everything he knew about music, the lyre, prophecy and medicine.

Apollo’s sister Artemis, the goddess of hunting, took it upon herself to teach him hunting and archery and under their care, Chiron grew into an intelligent, kind, peaceful and unique character. Because he was the son of Cronus, he was also said to be immortal.

Chiron the Tutor

Some sources say that Chiron became well versed in numerous academic fields by learning and studying everything on his own. He became a respected oracle and tutor to many heroes in Greek mythology as well as the god of wine, Dionysus.

Among his pupils were several famous names including Achilles, Peleus, Jason, Asclepius, Telamon, Nestor, Diomedes, Oileus and Heracles. There are many sculptures and paintings depicting Chiron teaching one or the other of his students skills, such as playing the lyre. s

Chiron’s Children

Chiron lived in a cave on Mount Pelion. He married Chariclo, a nymph, who also lived on Mount Pelion and they had many children together. Among them were:

The Pelionides – this was the name given to several of Chiron’s daughters who were nymphs. The exact number is uknown.

Melanippe – also called Hippe, she was seduced by Aeolus, the keeper of the winds, and was later turned into a mare to hide the fact that she was pregnant from her father.

Ocyrrhoe –  she metamorphosed into a horse after revealing to her father his fate.

Carystus – a rustic god who is closely associated with the Greek island, Euboea.

Chiron Saves Peleus

Throughout the myth of Chiron, he is closely linked with Peleus, father of Achilles. Peleus had been wrongly accused of trying to rape Astydameia, the wife of King Acastus of Iolcus, and the king was plotting his revenge. He wanted to kill Peleus but he had to come up with a cunning plan so as to avoid bringing down the Erinyes on him.

One day when they were both out hunting on Mount Pelion, Acastus took Peleus’ sword while he slept, and hid it away. Then, he abandoned Peleus, with the idea that Peleus would be killed by the savage centaurs who lived on the mountain. Luckily for Peleus, the centaur who discovered him was Chiron. Chiron, who’d found Peleus’ missing sword, gave it back to him and welcomed the hero into his home.

According to ancient sources, it was Chiron who told Peleus how to make Thetis, the Nereid, his wife. Peleus followed Chiron’s advice and tied up the Nereid to prevent her from shapeshifting and escaping. In the end, Thetis agreed to marry Peleus.

When Peleus and Thetis got married, Chiron gave them a special spear as a wedding gift, polished by Athena with the metal point crafted by Hephaestus. This spear was later handed down to Peleus’ son, Achilles.

Chiron and Achilles

While Achilles was still a baby, Thetis tried to make him immortal, which involved several dangerous rituals that Peleus soon found out about. Thetis had to flee the palace and Peleus sent Achilles to Chiron and Chariclo, who raised him as their own. Chiron made sure to teach Achilles everything he needed to know about medicine and hunting which later turned him into the great hero that he became.  

Chiron’s Death

According to the myth, Chiron was supposed to be immortal, but he was killed by the Greek hero, Heracles. Heracles and his friend Pholus were drinking wine when the smell of the wine attracted several savage centaurs to Pholu’s cave. To fight them all off, Heracles had to use several of his arrows, poisoned with the blood of the terrible Hydra. One of the arrows went straight into Chiron’s knee (how Chiron came into the scene isn’t exactly clear). Because he was immortal he didn’t die, but began to feel unbearable pain. Heracles tried everything he could to help because he had never meant to hurt Chiron, but Chiron couldn’t be cured. The poison of the Hydra was too strong.

After nine days of terrible pain, with Heracles weeping near him, Chiron realized that there was only one way he could end his suffering and he asked Zeus to make him mortal. Zeus was full of pity for him but there was nothing else to be done so he did as Chiron asked. As soon as Zeus took his immortality away, Chiron died from the wound. Zeus then placed him amongst the stars as the constellation Centaurus.

According to an alternate version of the story, Chiron made a deal with Zeus to sacrifice his life in order to free Prometheus who was being punished for introducing fire to mankind.

Facts About Chiron

1- Who is Chiron?

Chiron was a centaur, known as the justest, fairest and wisest of all centaurs.

2- Who are Chiron’s parents?

Chiron is the son of Cronus and Philyra.

3- Who killed Chiron?

Heracles kills Chiron by accident, poisoning him with a Hydra-blood arrow.

4- Why is Chiron famous?

Chiron is known for being the tutor to several of the greatest heroes of Greek mythology, including Achilles, Diomedes, Jason, Heracles, Asclepius and many more.

5- Was Chiron immortal?

Chiron was born immortal but requests Zeus to make him mortal so that he can die.

Wrapping Up

Chiron played an important role in Greek mythology by teaching many of the greatest Greek heroes.  Although he trained most of them, Chiron wasn’t known for being a hero himself. He was mostly a side character who stayed in the background, providing the main characters with guidance and assistance.

https://symbolsage.com/chiron-greek-mythology/

[aimee-maroux]

This also doesn’t have anything to do with him being a rapist or not but I think it’s interesting that he is the one being raped by Kalypso in the Odyssey. The text states:

...the Nymph Kalypso, a goddess of strange power and beauty, had kept him captive within her arching caverns, yearning for him to be her husband.

His [Odysseus’] eyes were never dry of tears while the sweetness of life ebbed away from him in his comfortless longings for return, since the Nymph was dear to him no longer. At night-time, true, he slept with her even now in the arching caverns, but this was against his will; she was loving and he unloving.

For what it’s worth, there are also some myths where the author describes what we in our modern terms would call rape. For instance one version of the myth of Kallisto, that says Hera wouldn’t be so angry had she seen how much Kallisto resisted Zeus (but in the end was powerless against a god). There is Hermes making Apemosyne trip to have sex with her where she is clearly unwilling too. Or Ocyrrhoe who tried to get away from Apollon by asking a friend of her father to take her home in his boat, only for the god to follow them, sink the boat, turn the boatman into a fish and “seized her”. So it’s not always glossed over. Many myths have a consensual version too, though. Rape isn’t as ubiquitous in Greek mythology as some people make it out to be.

1/2 There's another problem with Odysseus being portrayed as a rapist: he's portrayed as pretty respectful of women. He saved Helen from being killed by Menelaus, his patron deity is a goddess, he refers to Persephone's opinions, not Hades', when he visits the Underworld, and it's implied he fell in love with his wife for her brains, not just her beauty. Secondly, Homer's portrayal of Circe is fine. She's delightfully morally gray,

2/2 she's initially hostile to Odysseus then kind once she gets to know him better, and her turning men into pigs might just be because sailors have a tendency to rape nymphs and she wants to prevent that. She's like the flower-woman or the robber girl in the snow queen.

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Hello! Fully agree!

After reading some excerpts from the books I am not sure that what I wrote on one older post (that Odysseus raped someone on the book) was correct. I need to delve again on the research for the book and Idontwannaaaa :'(

[aliciavance4228]

Aside from being the teacher of lots of famous heroes and demigods, Chiron had with Chariclo lots of daughters (The Nymphs of Pelion, Melanippe, Ocyrrhoe, Endeis) and only one son (Carystus). The Pelionides are considered the nurses who took care of the infant centaurs (which means that they probably learned medicine from him), in the most common myth version of Melanippe she loved hunting, and there are depictions of Chiron teaching Ocyrrhoe how to hunt as well.

Chiron is a girl dad.

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1) dont hide your comments in tags because it makes them hard to keep track of

2) I'm not saying all his relationships ended poorly. Actually the ones that actually went out with him had a wonderful time. But given you failed to even mention that Cassandra, ya know....the person the comic was about....was one of the people Apollo was pursuing who turned him down and then he cursed her I'm almost certain you're the one missing myths.

3) Because it's late and I'm petty let's go down the vastly-oversymplified-but-makes-my-point list.

Cassandra: Rejected Apollo's advances, was cursed to never be believed ever. Got future vision out of the deal so.....not all bad?

Coronis: Liked another dude while carrying Apollo's kid, Apollo found out, had his sister murder her to death.

Cyparissus: Surprisingly functional until the dude killed his favorite deer and asked Apollo to let him cry forever, and so the god made him a cyprus.

Hyacithus: We all know him, functional relationship until Zephyr took a page outta Yuno's book of romance and murdered him, where he was turned into a flower. No he was not ressurected. That was added later to give Apollo's love life a happy ending.

Daphne: Rejected his advances, got turned into laurel tree for the trouble.

Ocyrrhoe: Rejected his advances, hid out on the ocean. Apollo cursed the boat to turn into a stone and the skipper into a pilot-fish. She....probably drowned. He didnt care.

Bolina: Rejected his advances, jumped off a cliff to get away from him, got turned into a nymph.

Khione: Functional. Only thing of note is she got to do both him and Hermes and bore them twins. Because that's how that works....

Marpessa: Sorta functional? I mean she liked him, but the fear that he would abandon her in her old age drove her to the arms of another.

Sibylla: Got immortality out of the deal, but ended up spurning his advances, and so was cursed.

Adonis: just.....Adonis. that's a different bag of worms and involves nonbinary and Aphrodite and he wasnt really a dude when he was with Apollo it's very strange. Functional, but strange.

So that's.... 7 rejections, 4 functional and 1 eh. And only one of those actually ends well mostly because he survived being fought over by Persephone and Aphrodite and at that point ya just throw up your hands and say "gods cant kill him". Now granted I left out several stories that boil down to 'and the woman bore him a child' because it's up in the air if he actually pursued them or took a page out of his old man's book.....and I skipped the ones where he took a page from his uncle's book and just kidnapped a lady......but still. Point stands, I've read more than enough to come to the conclusion that sexually Apollo was as successful as Zeus....and equally so romantically.

The closest he ever got were the muses but they wouldnt marry him....they loved him and he loved them, but there were nine of them and only one of him.

Hit him where it hurts, Cassandra! (Apollo is the WORST.)

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[hynpos]

Completely understand your dislike for the dude that has literally screwed everything, but could you elaborate your dislike for Apollo? :o If anything he seems like this golden bi boy who is pretty tragic in love. Perfectly flawed, maybe?

“perfectly flawed” ummm...

Daphne (the girl who was so desperate to not be raped by him that she turned into a tree)

Cassandra (the girl who refused Apollo so he cursed her with prophecy that no one would believe so everyone, including her family, thought she was mad and she had to watch as troy burned)

sending a plague to the Greeks

killing Patroclus

killing the Cyclopes in some dumbass convoluted revenge scheme because Zeus killed his son

the Niobe incident in which Apollo killed seven of her sons

Castalia, yet ANOTHER woman who was so desperate to not be raped by him that she dove into a spring and drowned or Apollo turned her into that fountain/spring

killing Coronis/sending Artemis to kill her while she was pregnant with his son

kidnapping/raping Cyrene

flaying Marsyas alive because he said he could play the flute better

Melia, a nymph who was kidnapped by Apollo, and when he brother tried to save her, Apollo killed the brother too

Ocyrrhoe, another nymph Apollo “pursued” that tried to escape by boat so he turned the boat to stone

Sinope was another nymph kidnapped by Apollo. (this one may or may not have tricked him into letting her keep her virginity tho so if so, good for her)

Bolina jumped into the sea to escape his advances

He “seduced” Dryope in the form of a tortoise which is..............

this one Sibyl tricked Apollo into giving her long life in exchange for her virginity but then didn’t sleep with him so he cursed her to get smaller and smaller until only her voice was left

he killed Hyacinthus too but it was an accident/may have been caused by the wind god

this is all what i could find just skimming the theoi and wikipedia pages for him but i’m going to assume there’s a lot more