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time to cleanse my mind, body, soul, spirit, life, etc. of the takes I've been seeing of my blorbos on a daily basis lately. and it's still wednesday.
#doctor who#river song#doctor x river#eleventh doctor#eleven x river#yowzah#alex kingston#the doctor#matt smith#i pond queue#once again gnawing my teeth over what thors did. “12 was the one who actually loved her” “11 is the boyfriend and 12 is the actual husband.#bangs my head against the wall in utter despair#idk folks maybe cause thors was a xmas special & doctorriver centric??? whereas none of the major 11river eps were them centric??#“but the minisodes exist-” YES the fucking minisodes which people don't really know of or they were just fucking deleted from their memorie#11 told River “i love you”. 11 wrote River love letters. 11 told River his name. 11 and River have domestic tea dates in their face café.#11 and River celebrated their anniversaries & real fond of getting married & the countless 'honeymoons'. 11River have domestic bliss moment#← saying all that like a mantra to calm myself#doctorriver#doctorriver text posts#11th doctor#moffat era#11 x River#moffatedit#anti 11River erasure#my text posts
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they start you off with "she's a doctor mirror because she's a genius and self-centered and arrogant and flirts with everyone and maintains a shield of whimsy against the horrors." and then they smack you over the head with "she's a doctor mirror because she's actively trapped herself in a fantasy where she's the fun flirty whimsical genius hero and everything's fine, rather than face the psyche-obliterating truth of what she's lost and what she's become"
#very 15 relevant of course#and im just generally enjoying the moffat era 'the doctor is in a significant sense more Undead than immortal & so are all his mirrors'#doctor who#asylum of the daleks
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I think my favourite thing about 12 being so quickly established as Scottish in his first episode is that you later find out he knows perfectly well he's not actually Scottish in the typical ways, because, of course, he's still a Gallifreyan with a bad temper ("I'm not Scottish, I'm just cross"). But his era has a running theme of identity being something you choose and describe for yourself - especially names and genders (that quote about timelords being "billions of years beyond your petty human obsession with gender and its associated stereotypes" has aged like the finest of wines). So we can safely assume that 12 discovered he'd regenerated into a body with a Scottish accent, grey hair and attack eyebrows and just decided, so help him, he was going to commit to that fucking bit. At least for a while. And that is the most stubbornly Scottish thing of all.
#moffat never missed a trick is all I'm saying#and he knew how to write good scottish characters#doctor who#peter capaldi#twelfth doctor#moffat era#scottish
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i love the way the timelords were portrayed in the series 4 specials. they seemed completely batshit and told me all i needed to know about the doctor and the master.
#martha should have been in this story by the way but you already knew that#doctor who#the specials#the end of time#my version is just betterrrrr#the master#i know david screamed when he read that the timelords were coming back#i completely get moffat wanting to restore them#but to start an era for a bunch of ppl who havent got a clue and say they're all dead#only to bring them back and show what they were really like?#that was good af#russell is really good at writing mythos and lore
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people are soooo mad about the new sonic screwdriver not having an element of thirteen's sonic and saying thirteen era is going to be erased or whatever as if thirteen ever mentioned anything that happened in twelve era despite having literally just lost like all her friends...
#lifeblogs#doctor who#i also feel like there might be. narrative reasons. to have all the other new who doctors#but also i think part of it is that her sonic's aesthetic is so different from the others it's hard to integrate#which goes into a whole other conversation about her aesthetic more generally but that's not what this is about#also like moffat era doesn't mention rtd era that much either#it's different because it's an anniversary but like. we have not seen the episode yet. we do not know what will happen
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i saw a post saying boom was good bc it feels like it could be done with any doctor/companion duo and honestly that was one of the things i felt was wrong with it
#in a show with a title character that could be Literally Anyone and a companion sharing the lead that could be Literally Anyone#i value the little moments that set this duo apart from the rest. ESPECIALLY when it comes to returning writers like rtd/moff#fifteen and ruby felt a little too eleven/twelve and clara adjacent in boom. in both their dialogue and characterization#space babies also landed a little weird at first bc it lifted a bit from end of the world BUT the scenes that fifteen and ruby#had to themselves. like ruby getting covered in snot and fifteen laughing. or fifteen and ruby looking after the Space Babies#or fifteen going out of his way to save the monster bc that monster is the only one of its kind Just Like Him Fr#that stuff is so good and its also something we haven't seen from another nuwho doctor. the vulnerable bleeding-heart empathy#and a dynamic w a companion that is basically 'two troublemakers that just deeply love fun and adventure and getting into trouble together'#oh yeah and also the devil's chord was peak fiction because it touches on fifteen's renewed connection and love for humanity#and marries it to ruby being a musician and how music like any art is the expression of the human soul etc etc#WHAT MAKES A DOCTOR WHO STORY GOOD TO ME IS PARTLY HOW THE PREMISE TIES INTO THE DOCTOR AND COMPANION'S CHARACTERS#IT HAS TO FEEL LIKE IT WAS TAILOR MADE TO THEM. ELSE IT WONT LAND RIGHT TO ME#i hate the take that they should've saved wild blue yonder for a fifteen episode bc#the tension is hinged on how well the doctor/companion know each other. u have a level of it that u can ONLY get#with fourteen and donna who are two halves of a whole soul but have also spent much more time missing the other than knowing them#im not rewatching fifteen's eps rn until a week later when i can watch it w my qpp but#rn i still feel a stronger sense of fifteen and ruby's characters from all the rtd-written eps rather moffat#which like. i get that a lot of that is my personal dislike of moffat's writing style but still#dr who#15 era#dw spoilers
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You're so right about Steven Moffat. Favorite Doctor Who era, for sure!
Thank you, it is something I completely stand by! Glad to speak for others! This fuckass website just doesn’t get it sometimes.
#not Derry girls#Steven Moffat#Doctor who#Moffat Era is my favorite era but more than that Moffat understands the Doctor#and the Companions#better than both Chibnall and Rusty (I’ve grown soft on RTD in my old age but still)#and that’s not to say neither did anything of value but for my money#if you put them on a scale#you’d have to put RTD and Chibnall together to even sort of tip the scale toward equal#and Moffat would still be a heavyweight on quality#and I’m going further to say Moffat is actively feminist#he’s just also a straight white man who’s had to grow and change with the times#and has misstepped and been a part of a culture that needed to change (still does)#but you don’t just write Lynda Day as your first female lead and Madeline Crow as your current one and not be inherently invested in#telling women’s stories#to say nothing of Amy Pond and Clara Oswald and Bill Potts and River Song#at this point if you still believe Moffat is some misogynist goblin#I take that as shorthand for ‘I watched Sherlock and Doctor Who in 2011-2012 and that’s it#‘and I got all my feminist fandom talking points from Tumblr in those same years and never went further’#it’s 2024 just admit you (tumblr as a whole) got it wrong#like it’s not a crime to get it wrong lol#just be grown about it
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the overarching narrative of eleven’s era is honestly phenomenal, and it hits harder every time i watch it. the doctor has been burdened for so long by the weight of his decision to destroy gallifrey — a decision he made out of dire necessity, but that went against the very core of his being and everything he’s ever stood for — and he’s been fighting ever since to balance the ledger. (how many worlds do you think his regret has saved, do you think?) but despite every victory, he can’t escape his grief and guilt, and they inevitably begin to turn him into someone he never wanted to become. (a nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. the most feared being in all the cosmos.) all of this leads him to TDotD, where he comes face-to-face with the single greatest regret of his life — and realizes he has a chance to change it. he makes a new decision, and every version of himself that’s ever existed comes together across space and time to try to save gallifrey instead of destroying it, because that is who the doctor is. (never cruel or cowardly. never give up; never give in.)
and in saving gallifrey, he saves himself; it doesn’t rewrite the centuries of pain that brought him to that moment, but it allows him to heal and move forward with renewed understanding of his identity and purpose. the name he chose was a promise he made, and he’s kept that promise. all the threads woven slowly throughout the plot come together after that — the cracks in the universe, the silence’s plan to kill him, the looming shadow of trenzalore and the question that must never be answered. and after trying to outrun his fate and cheat death for so long, he finally stops running. when he reaches trenzalore he dedicates what he believes are the final years of his life to defending a tiny village on this unimportant little planet, because he knows with more certainty than ever that he is the doctor, and this is what he stands for. (every life i save is a victory. every single one.) all that time, the question is repeated over and over, for hundreds of years — the oldest question in the universe, hidden in plain sight, and when the answer is spoken at last, it’s exactly what we’ve known from the very beginning. his “true” name, the secret he’ll take to his grave, has never mattered. what matters is the name he chose, and the promise he made. (his name is the doctor. all the name he needs, everything you need to know about him.)
when it’s time for him to go, it feels triumphant; the eleventh doctor was born in an inferno, with a youthful face and a flashy, silly personality made to conceal an ocean of pain beneath, but now he’s finally at peace. now free from the grief and remorse he carried for so long, he lays his pretense of childlike insouciance to rest, and the twelfth doctor emerges with a new lease on life and an old, weathered face — one that was chosen as a perfect culmination of the journey that brought him here. (i know where i got this face, and i know what it’s for: to remind me. to hold me to the mark. i’m the doctor, and i save people.)
#like i won’t lie. i do have a LOT of criticisms about that era#particularly about the execution of some of the individual arcs and also like 90% of series 7#but the big picture of it all? life-changing. immaculate. hate to say it but you do have to hand it to moffat once in a while#doctor who#eleventh doctor#the day of the doctor#steven moffat#twelfth doctor#doctor who meta#long post#shouting into the vortex
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Recently started watching White Collar! More interesting than its reputation gives it credit for, but if the network were being at all honest with us, Mozzie would be trans and either a furry, a drag queen, or both
#come on#I've met weird little hackers who don't trust the system#it's okay mozzie i know who you are when you're not on 2008 television#pretty sure the lead actor is gay too#yeah apparently he came out five years later by thanking his husband at an award ceremony#anyway you can tell this is from the same era of television as Leverage#and that Moffat was taking notes for the BBC Sherlock aesthetic#edit: mozzie would only do drag in a 1920s speakeasy themed gay club#where the patrons are required to wear all black and check their cell phones at the door#yes I am thinking of a specific place I know exists#or did when the show was airing (thatnks covid)
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back in the Superwholock days there was this post getting passed around my corner of tumblr about "teflon writing vs velcro writing," ostensibly as a nutshell summary of why fandom reacted so differently to Steven Moffat and Russell T Davies as Doctor Who showrunners: slick and polished and easier to admire (when done well) or coolly assess its flaws (when botched) than to get a grip on or pull apart & tinker with, vs. messy and prickly and grippy and tinkering-friendly and prone to getting its hooks in you whether or not you ever wanted that
and that's very funny to look back on with the distance of hindsight, because to this day--a full decade after peak Superwholock--RTD-era Who and Kripke-era SPN remain THE most insane, crazymaking, irreversible-brain-damage-inducing, "compelling in the way where they make me INCREDIBLY ANGRY and ITCHY TO FIX THEM because i am so stupid-invested that they still have me by the balls, even when my engagement is just picking apart the frustrations of how and why they SUCK" turbo-examples of velcro writing i have ever encountered in my LIFE
hell, they aren't even so much like velcro as they're like snagging the folds of a lace circle skirt on a whole branch of actual cockleburs and trying to wash the shrapnel out with fucking gorilla glue
.....and then there's BBC Sherlock. which was neither velcro writing nor teflon writing but an elaborate many-year con, targeted at the EXACT kinds of people who maintain a secret good Supernatural that lives in their heads, whose one neat trick was to bait its marks into collectively hallucinating a brilliant show so that Steven Moffat and Mark Gatiss never had to put themselves to the trouble of writing one.
#computer tinkerers hear me out: if spn is microsoft windows and doctor who is various *nix distros and moffat-era who is macOS#then bbc sherlock is a fucking chromebook that reply guys SWEAR you can do full-stack software development and advanced image editing on#....if you root it and use some horrible 3rd party script to bolt a linux distro on top of chromeOS and physically install 32gb extra RAM#and even then the filesystem access is all screwy and *you're still doing your image editing in the GIMP*#fandom#superwholock#meta
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i truly do not understand the "moffat can do stories just not characters" take bc moffats stories to me Do start getting a little repetitive at points but im usually invested enough in the characters that it doesnt matter. rtds characters on the other hand usually boil down to "has a job"
#moffat writes stories that revolve around characters chibnall writes characters that revolve around stories rtd does fuck all#gridlock/smith and jones are his greatest accomplishments imo cause every other good ep in his era wasnt written by him lmao#sorry for being a hater it will happen again
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I cannot express in words how exhausting Moffat's who is so far
Like his women are 1 dimensional, the doctor is weirdly aggressive and thoughtless and not in a well-written or engaging way, the quips are fucking exhausting and don't get me started on the goddamn plot mess. I literally just watched it and I still don't get Demon's Run. Like who is Madame Kovarian, who are the Silence, why are they so obsessed with killing the Doctor, where did the significance of Demon's Run come from, why should we care about any of this? And past that, how did Mel get away from the Silence? How did she end up growing up alongside Amy and Rory? Moffat doesn't slow down and allow us to slow down and process anything, which means all this shit he's throwing at us just feels hollow and unearned. He's got some cool ideas that could be really enjoyable if they were slower paced and better explained. The Doctor being weirdly aggressive and self-important would be interesting if it weren't portrayed as him just being a genius action hero. Amy being dismissive of/talking down to/insulting Rory would be more tolerable if it wasn't played for laughs most of the time. Hell, River secretly growing up alongside the Ponds could've been really cool if it was better explained, better foreshadowed, and not just crammed into "two episodes containing at least half a season's worth of content." So many of these ideas have a lot of potential and ZERO payoff.
I wanted to make a tier list of every RTD and Moffat episode but tbh I don't think I'll make it past Angels Take Manhattan. I just can't do that to myself. I can make it to Angels and then I need a very long break
#I know I'm beating a daed hrose but jaysus christ it's just so badddddddddd#Most of RTD's era is S-B tier#While most of Moffat's era is C-F tier#I can count the number of A-B moffat-run episodes on one hand#and I don't think I can name think ANY S tier moffat-run episodes#ironically enough#all 6 of the RTD-era episodes that moffat wrote are at least A tier (and prolly more than half are S tier)#the man can write a really good doctor who episode!!#but he can't write a doctor who season for shit#doctor who#new who#nuwho#the doctor#10th doctor#11th doctor#steven moffat
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Ok, it’s irritating when I make a positivity post on my favorite show and someone trods along and reblogs it with an anti in the tags.
I post the positivity for a reason, if it’s reblogged with an “anti”, its now a tainted post and that really sucks.
There’s enough negativity on here, can we table it to bring some joy? Please???
#the dw fandom can be really negative so im trying to lessen it#rtd era#moffat era#chibnall era#ninth doctor#tenth doctor#eleventh doctor#twelfth doctor#thirteenth doctor#fourteenth doctor#fifteenth doctor#doctor who#doctor positivity#all eras are valid
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"The companions are important!
So stop constantly whining about how River should not be considered as a mere companion!"
Oh, I am thankful we got at least one mention of River during 13's era. But in that context? Like, how is Yaz on the same level as River? Companions are important, yes, but...
...but the Doctor doesn't marry their companions, dress up just for their date nights, preen before going out to meet them, consider them their queen and therefore, equal, tolerate (barely, but it's still there) their tendency towards guns and archeology (and stealing and murdering and marrying others for fun and whatnot), pop-up every time they're called, offer to rewrite time for them, engineer an entire planet just to have more time together, settle down (like actually settle down domesticity and all), and tell them their name
#Chibnall did not just try to undo a huge swath of Moffat's era#give River Song the importance she deserves!!#i really just can't when people downplay her role#like hello??#did we all watch the same episodes fr#river song#doctor who#yowzah#doctor x river#eleventh doctor#twelfth doctor#tenth doctor#on that note i'm really disappointed with the lack of River representation#doctor who 60th anniversary#thirteenth doctor#river x doctor#i am exhasuted physically#mentally#and emotionally#but i have to go on#because who knows#this might be the year#River gets out of that horrid Library
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my verdict on the day of the doctor novelization is that the plot is still so stupid to me but at least i can live my life knowing moffat can write ten marginally correctly but he only keeps it in a novelization where nobody is going to see it. (my personal highlights under the cut)
him. aroace
this is a really good take on the ten and river dynamic, they're acquaintances and ten purposefully keeps it that way. the "time can be rewritten maybe her horrible death that happened in front of me can be prevented if i stay away from her" really goes well with how he's left after the events of journey's end
"he had to stop thinking before it tore him apart!" is THE most ten narration i've seen in my life. i need to eat rocks
this part just makes me really really sad. the dissociation between the tone and what's actually happening (him getting tortured. for months). how he's so clearly not acknowledging what's happening to him (he won't describe the screaming as his own). how he latches onto the only other presence there and focuses on charming her and making her laugh??? this also makes the hinting at a romance between ten and elizabeth that moffat does, extremely fucking upsetting because you can see how ten is just so fucking lonely and on instinct attaching himself to anyone who has any amount of regular presence to him. even if. well. you know. the torture.
like this. see. i need to be shot
you will hear from my lawyers steven.
[coughs up blood]
the "over and over". i need to be put in a blender
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
#i say marginally. it's not perfect. but he manages to get ten's general vibe down well and wow i didnt know u had it in u dude#manic and melodramatic. talking himself hoarse. pacing everywhere. repeating what he's saying over and over#simultaneously fearing and embracing death. full of so much love and anger and grief. like yeah .. thats my boy... he is here..#but the queen elizabeth marriage plotline is still. Annoying ! (i can see v clearly that moffat is trying to do like#a madame de pompadour 2.0 re: queen elizabeth in the novelization and it's like. steven he's aroace we've established this)#and i still. dont like what this overall story is trying to accomplish! but this is the fault of the episode the novelization cant fix that#but besides the expected gripes i have it was much more enjoyable to read than watching the actual episode#the structure of it was fun and does a lot in making use of the written medium that u couldnt do in tv live action#dr who#10 era#11 era#aspec doc tag#also realizing all my highlights are a singular aroace ten moment followed by ten being the saddest wettest beast you'll ever see. lord
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and maybe this is just me being petty af but cloning the tardis really didn't sit right with me. like its a small thing but we've just established season after season and even in these specials that the tardis is more than a spaceship, she's a sentient being and the doctor's oldest and most dear friend and companion, the one who always watches out for them, its her and them against the universe, and the show just going BONK here's an exact other with little more than a whispered "sorry" like... yeah it just doesn't sit right.
russell go rewatch the doctor's wife (2011)
#doctor who#dw negativity#it is just me being petty and nitpicking rn lol#is this how ppl who hate the moffat era felt during all of his run? lol maybe I do sympathise a lil bit
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