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34070 Manston @ Bishop Sutton por David Cable Por Flickr: Mid Hants - Feb 24 / Matt and Warwick Charter with 34070 Manston taken at the Bishop Sutton tree with wonderful early light (DSC 5899)

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this might be overly ambitious considering the four papers i have to finish by next week but. hear me out. what if i drew the entire lineup of characters from because of miss bridgerton

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"many people insist he was in the Blitz ( I don't mean fics, I don't mind that, I mean in canon discussions) so my post was specifically for the Blitz. For the 40's bomb, that you brought up, not my post, Tom left soon after, 7 days after. And as for the '44 bombings- Tom has already killed 4 people by that time- FOUR. I think it's safe to say death and suffering of the people around him wasn't one of his concerns.

Tom's fear of death doesn't have to come from bombing. Plenty of people fear death that had never been bombed. It is stated that his fear of death is because he thinks himself above all humans, it's in relation to his power, he says this to Dumbledore at 11 BEFORE ww2 started. He already said 'mom can't have been a witch because she died'. But yes, this post was about Dumbledore not sending Tom into the Blitz, like many people say, as if Dumbledore personally delivered Tom to the Nazis."

What do you think about this argument? I've written fics of Tom witnessing the Blitz. I thought that it was canon but I have had people argue that it is not. What do you think?

Hi! That's a really interesting topic, but one I came to dislike because it feels like most people have very black-and-white takes on it. I actually got involved in one of such conversations just recently. Maybe even the one you quoted from? I don't recall at this point.

Since I prepared a lot of materials for ATLWETD before writing it, I can give you a full answer supported by the research and some news clippings. It's going to get long, though!

So, first - the Blitz. Indeed, Tom never had to face it. It lasted from September 7, 1940 to May 11, 1941, and Tom spent this period at Hogwarts. However, the Blitz was neither the start nor the end of London bombings - and bombings of the surrounding areas and UK in general.

Citing from Mark Clapson, "Air Raids in Britain, 1940–45":

"A common misconception of the Blitz in the United Kingdom is that London was the only city under attack from September 1940 until the Nazis also turned their fire on other cities and towns in mid-November. Yet even before the Blitz on London began, other urban areas in the UK had been attacked from the air.

As the Battle of Britain drew towards a defeat for Germany, the first significant raid on a major British city took place in Cardiff and Newport on 10 July when over seventy German planes attacked the South Wales docks. In July and August, Birmingham, Coventry, Hastings, Liverpool, Newcastle and Southampton were all subject to air raids, signifying that when the main Blitz on the provinces began, industrial and coastal towns and cities were going to be key targets for the Luftwaffe … As Tony Mason shows, the first raid on Coventry had been on 18 August 1940, when both industry and housing were bombed."

Most of these locations are within the 200-300 km of London. Hastings is less than a 2-hour drive away. People don't live in a bubble, so hearing and reading about the bombings getting closer had to be terrifying for a child-Tom.

Now, getting even closer to London. The timeline taken from this website:

"16 AUGUST 1940

A series of raids were leveled against Norfolk, Kent and the Greater London area with airfields as the main targets, including Manston.

London suburbs were bombed, including Wimbledon and Esher, where shops and houses were hit. Bombs on Maiden, Surrey, railway station killed staff and passengers and put both lines out of operation. To the north, Gravesend and Tilbury were attacked, and bombs fell on Harwell and Farnborough aerodromes."

Tom would have definitely experienced the impacts of these bombings at least in some ways because the sound of explosions travels miles ahead. People would be in an increased state of panic, not knowing if London was going to be the next target any other second now.

A photo of the news clipping from August 17, 1940, titled: Germans Bomb London Suburbs:

From this website:

"A still earlier, and better recorded, raid took place the night before, on 15 August. 30 bombers targeted RAF Croydon aerodrome, which was then considered part of Surrey rather than London. Several people were killed, with damage to the aerodrome and nearby housing."

The distance between Croydon aerodrome and London is just 10 miles. Again, this is something the impact of which Tom would have very likely heard personally - add to this the feeling of fear and uncertainty over when and where the next attack is coming, and you get a recipe for a serious psychological trauma. Tom was only 13 at this time.

From the same website:

"Many sources state that the first bombs to drop on London landed in the early hours of 22 August 1940, affecting Harrow and Wealdstone (technically not then in London, but within the London Civil Defence Area). These caused damage to two cinemas, a dance hall, bank and houses, but nobody was killed. A further strike on 24 August [in London] killed nine people, and prompted retaliatory attacks on Berlin."

So, by these accounts, Tom experienced the bombing of his city directly at least once and likely heard the impact of bombings from the suburbs at least twice. Could be more - there were several bombings close, and we have no idea where Tom was in those specific moments. He could be taking a walk to the West End, going to the suburbs with his orphanage, and so on.

He was lucky to miss the bombings that followed (until 1944), including the Blitz, but I really hate when people dismiss the psychological impact of seeing your city in ruins, witnessing the massive destruction, and not knowing whether the bombs are going to drop again today. It's not like the Germans announced, "Hey, the Blitz is over, you're safe now!" Of course Tom thought he might experience another bombing, and of course this thought scared him.

The summer of 1944 was terrible for London because that's when the V1 were dropped. Quoting from The Blitz Companion by Mark Clapson again:

"Yet during the summer of 1944 worse was to come, and it would manifest itself in a frightening new weapon. For some months rumours had been circulating in Britain about a flying bomb that had no pilot and which could be guided almost mysteriously through the air at great speed to attack the capital city. This was the V1, the ‘V’ standing for vengeance … The V1s killed over 5,000 people and injured 15,000."

The timeline for these attacks is here.

This one is trickier, though, because based on Harry's era, by 1944, Tom already came of age by wizarding standards. So there is an argument that he could finally use his magic and leave London. On the other hand, he was still a minor by Muggle standards, and we have no idea what Hogwarts rules and laws of his era stated - meaning that it can all be up to interpretation.

For those who prefer to imagine that Tom was there: maybe back in 1944, a wizard had to be 18 to be considered an adult, and the limit was dropped closer to Harry's era. Or there was a rule stating that Hogwarts students must continue to live in their assigned places up until they graduate, especially in a Muggle world - because if a minor disappears from Muggle care when they are still enrolled in a magical school, it could trigger the involvement of authorities, which might be something Hogwarts would want to avoid.

We can't make strong arguments here because the canon says nothing about these details. So, if someone wants to imagine that Tom missed the bombings in 1944, there are very logical reasons to support such a view, but if someone wants him to have experienced it, it's also easy to imagine.

Either way, whether Tom lived only through the bombings of 1940 or both 1940 and 1944, to deny that he was affected by the war is to reject the most basic human psychology, in my opinion. Anyone would be terrified when they are surrounded by destruction and death, when they are confronted with the idea of their own mortality and when they feel helplessly trapped. And Tom saw the war horrors every summer even when there were no bombings.

I'm a war victim myself, and I don't feel safe on the days my city is not attacked. Because I know that the situation can change every other second. The psychological effect of bombings is devastating even when you aren't physically affected.

Does Tom's trauma justify his canon actions in any way, though? Of course not. Did his war trauma cause his fear of death? I think it was definitely at least some part of it. How couldn't it be? It's exactly because he considered himself above others is that his fear could be this amplified. He probably hated sitting stuck in a dangerous zone with the people he despised, threatened by the beings he didn't consider proper humans.

Maybe the war didn't give birth to Tom's fear of death, but I think it obviously contributed to it heavily since, again, he was living in one of the very targeted places, and he lived through at least one London bombing.

Also, yes, I do think Dumbledore and Dippet were absolutely abhorrent for sending an orphan child to a war zone when it was so easy to give him shelter. They were responsible for Tom's well-fare, and this responsibility shouldn't disappear in the summer. Tom could have easily been killed - again, it's not like the Germans announced when they were going to bomb or not bomb London and other areas. Letting him stay at Hogwarts or finding some family to take him in - or an inn! - would have been beyond simple.

Dumbledore also definitely knew Tom is related to a Slytherin bloodline, so there had to be families willing to take him in for this alone. Sure, it could be dangerous in other ways for a child as self-focused as Tom, but he was still a child, and his safety had to come first.

Finally, there is an argument that Tom was moved along with other children from London since it was supposed to be mandatory. This is also something that can be looked at from different angles. The reality of people following a law always differs from the theory of it. There were many issues with evacuations at that time. About 7,736 children died in London from the Blitz alone - not everyone could evacuate, especially the poor. Maybe the Wool's lucked out, maybe not. There are claims that only children within the ages of 5 to 14 were evacuated. But also, if Tom was moved, then there is no telling if he was more or less safe there since the location is unknown. It once again depends on what a specific person wants to imagine as a part of his life.

Now, anon, as for your fics in particular: if you wrote about Tom witnessing the Blitz, it's all right - I mean, the entire universe of Harry Potter is made up. Maybe, in a world where these characters might exist, the Blitz could have happened differently - why not? We have no idea about the dates of HP canon-Blitz. The events there don't have to take place in our specific world.

So, strictly speaking - yes, it's not canon, but more in relation to our world than to the world of HP.

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Crews of No 137 Squadron RAF pose with a mascot in front of their Whirlwind Mk I fighter bombers at RAF Manston, Kent. March 5, 1943.

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27 November 1940. Messerschmitt Bf109E '4101, Black 12’, of Leutnant Wolfgang Teumer from 2/JG51 attacked by Spitfire of 66 Squadron’s Flt Lt George P Christie DFC over the Thames Estuary, damaging the radiator and radio. It belly-landed at Manston.

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Captured Messerschmitt Bf 109G-6/U2 "White 16", W.Nr. 412951, Pilot Leutnant Horst Prenzel, Staffelkäpitan (Squadron leader) of 3./JG 301, 21.7.1944, RAF Manston. While flying a Wild Saue night fighting mission over England, Prenzel and another pilot landed by mistake thinking they were over Germany. Prenzel was uninjured and made a POW. The aircraft was damaged during testing and was scrapped. For more, see my Facebook group - Eagles Of The Reich

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1940 09 09 To Fight Another Day - Mark Postlethwaite

is dedicated to the memory of Pilot Officer William ‘Bill’ Watling RAF of 92 Squadron. As war-clouds gathered over Europe, Bill and his friend Brian joined the Armed Forces and learned to fly; Bill Watling with the RAF and Brian Rose with the Fleet Air Arm. Within 12 months Bill Watling was defending the skies over Great Britain with 92 Squadron during the Battle of Britain.On 9 September 1940, Bill’s section of Spitfires was attacked by a group of Me109s which immediately set fire to his aircraft. Struggling to escape from the burning cockpit, Bill finally managed to parachute to safety albeit with severe burns to his hands and face. He landed in the sea not far from the shore whilst his Spitfire came down inland at East Guldeford.Undeterred by his injuries, Bill returned to his squadron within a month and became operational again, claiming a couple of 109s in combats towards the end of the year.Then on 7 February 1941, Bill Watling was sent up from Manston on a morning weather check flight in almost zero visibility. As he struggled to find his way back to Manston after completing the sortie, Bill’s Spitfire hit high ground near Deal and exploded, killing him instantly. Bill Watling was just 20 years old.

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Court Circular | 11th December 2024

St James’s Palace

The Princess Royal, Patron, Shaftesbury, this morning visited Netteswell Rectory, Manston Road, Harlow, and was received by Mr Vincent Thompson (Deputy Lieutenant of Essex).

Her Royal Highness this afternoon visited Brightlingsea Museum, Dove House, Station Road, Brightlingsea, and was received by His Majesty’s Lord-Lieutenant of Essex (Mrs Jennifer Tolhurst).

The Princess Royal, Colonel-in-Chief, Intelligence Corps, later visited 1 Military Intelligence Battalion at Merville Barracks, Colchester, Essex.

Her Royal Highness, President, Racing Welfare, this evening attended a Carol Concert at Tattersalls, Terrace House, 125 High Street, Newmarket, and was received by His Majesty’s Lord-Lieutenant of Suffolk (Clare, Countess of Euston).

The Princess Royal, President, Racing Welfare, afterwards attended a Dinner at the Jockey Club Rooms, 101 High Street, Newmarket, and was received by the Hon Peter Stanley (Deputy Lieutenant of Suffolk).

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34070 dep Horsted Keynes JB charter image 7 lo res por Jeremy de Souza LRPS Por Flickr: 34070 'Manston' arriving and departing Horsted Keynes on the Bluebell Railway, as part of a Jon Bowers photo charter on 16 Oct 2023. 'Manston' is seen passing West Country class 'Blackmore Vale' at the north end of the station.

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were in a call of the netherdeep campaign and i decided to play finn in it!!! these are some quick sketches ive done since we started along with some design work for cesare, finn, and pappy up top.

tiefling is cesare, were doing toxic yaoi its fun. girlfailure/borzoi werewoof is viatrix. she rolls crit fails like its her job, the big guy with his boobs out is ash, genasi artificer, who is only with the party bc its convenient, and last but certainly not least is manston “pappy” pumpernickel, who “adopted” finn as his grandson years ago. this party is so fun and were probably going to get our shit rocked next session.

i gave my beloved dm fallon and she has already hurt me with him without us even seeing him, my man is causing PROBLEMS in the background and haunting us from afar. just twin things!!! i updated his look along with finns but all you get is his elbow bc hes still an unknown to the party (the joke that he will be just finn with a shitty pencil moustache is hilarious tho)

also the built in rivals are fantastic and theyre our friends. as a shifty bitch finn will keep them all at arms length like he does anyone else but hey… theyre cute ok. im in love with ayo jabe and WILL be drawing them that is a promise.

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Do you have personal preferences for what Penwood Park might look like? Do you think is it bigger than Aubrey Hall?

Penwood House is just a temporary house in London new earl has allowed Araminta to use, while Penwood Park is a family residence, so it could be a very large residence.

How do you imagine Sophie’s childhood house?

Penwood House wouldn’t be temporary. Most of the Ton have two houses, their country homes and their London home for the season, the Bridgerton’s have Aubrey Hall and Bridgerton House.

The Rokesby’s have Crake Hall and Manston House.

The Bassets have two as well so Richard would have two too.

But I think as an Earl, Penwood Park would be huge, I’d imagine it would be like Chatsworth House or bigger and Sophie would have gotten lost in it and I think it would have a huge ass library that she spent hours and days in when she was younger.

Something like this: