#Lucile Duplessis

[anotherhumaninthisworld]

I’m doing fine my dear maman. Send me a pocket handkerchief.

I embrace you my dear maman. I’m doing pretty well.

Good evening dear maman. A tear falls from my eyes. It is for you. I’m going to fall asleep in the tranquility of innocence.

Three notes written by Lucile Desmoulins to her mother between her arrest on April 4 1794 and execution nine days later. The last one is generally seen as a final farewell, penned down right after the death sentence had been pronounced on April 13.

[enlitment]

If you could spend a day with a historical figure, or book/movie character, who would it be and what would you do?

Thank you for the ask and sorry for taking so long to respond!

It's not an easy question, there are a lot of candidates. I'd have to go with Camille Desmoulins! He seemed like he'd be a great hang, especially if it's only for a day.

At first there would be a lot of subtle questioning on my part - obviously - probably over a bottle of Claret. (What was the deal with you and Maximilien? You and Annette? Plus a lot of 'what were you thinking?')

Then a visit to the Louvre, because:

I desperately want to revisit it anyway

It should be fun to go there with someone who's such a classics nerd! I'm sure he'd enjoy the vases and statues as much as I did...

Would love to hear his take on David's paintings and on Delacroix. (Different revolution, I know, but I'm sure he'd still enjoy it!)

I'd also consider making him watch La Révolution française - only the first part - and ask him what he thinks about his/Lucile's/Danton's/Maxime's etc portrayal. Watching the second part would likely be extremely traumatic for him, so I'd skip that.

And if there'd still be time, I'd put on the recording of the 2017 RSC Production of Shakespeare's Julius Caesar (and closely observe his reaction during some key Brutus' and Cassius' moments. For science!)

[demaskblue]

Lucille is so pretty!!

La famosa fiesta de cumpleaños de Camilo de los Molinos.

Historia de Europa by D. Emilio Castelar, 1895

[nesiacha]

The "good deeds" of the "rotten" revolutionaries:

Fouché: he gave a pension to the widow of Collot d'Herbois, apparently also one for Charlotte Robespierre Tallien: he participated in the day of August 10, 1792. In the end he was let go for the wrong reasons because even if he rallied to the right, he tried to make a turnaround to the left to try to prevent the royalists from returning which shows that ultimately he sought to preserve the revolution. Carrier Jean Baptiste: In Nantes he succeeded in repelling the English attempts to establish themselves in this port (which would have been a catastrophe for France if the English had succeeded) Fréron: Stayed in contact with Annette Duplessis, helped her financially after the execution of Camille and Lucile Desmoulins and helped to ensure the education of Horace Turreau: Would have adopted Camille Babeuf after the death of his father (even if it was Felix Lepeletier who was the real protector of this family until to his deportation) P.S: Off topic but I didn't expect it seems that Camille Babeuf sent in 1813 a letter to Pierre-François Réal for a request for financial aid as he is in difficult I'll send you the link if you can connect and access it I can't it seems we must have an account for see the letter https://www.proquest.com/docview/1294139227?sourcetype=Scholarly%20Journals Sources: Antoine Resche Jean Marc Schiappa For Fréron, don't hesitate to see the excellent post by @anotherhumaninthisworld here https://www.tumblr.com/anotherhumaninthisworld/757673440640647168/how-close-desmoulins-and-fr%C3%A9ron-were- and-what-did?source=share

[plaques-memoire]

Plaque en hommage à : Lucile Desmoulins

Type : Lieu de résidence

Adresse : 22 rue de Condé, 75006 Paris, France

Date de pose : 1989 [inscrite]

Texte : Dans cette maison, Lucile Duplessis, guillotinée le 13 avril 1794, habita avant son mariage avec Camille Desmoulins

Quelques précisions : Lucile Desmoulins (1770-1724) est une personnalité de la Révolution française. Née Duplessis, au sein d'un milieu bourgeois, elle épouse à l'âge de vingt ans l'avocat Camille Desmoulins, autre figure de la Révolution également honorée par une plaque commémorative située non loin de celle présentée ici, et elle fréquente de nombreux révolutionnaires, qu'elle marque par sa bonne humeur et sa vivacité d'esprit. Peu après l'arrestation de son mari, elle est elle-même victime d'une conspiration (dite des prisons) et condamnée à mort après un simulacre de procès.

[demaskblue]

She really did that, i think she would have a similar if not worse than lucille duplessis 😭😭😭

Charlotte accidentally did Éléonore a favor when she said that Maximilien wasn't interested in her

[robespapier]

Is there any evidence of Robespierre being nicknamed ”Maxime”?If not, any idea where that idea came from? Why do they call him that in LRF?

Good question!

To my knowledge, there's no contemporary evidence of Robespierre being nicknamed as such, but it's a plausible nickname (and we know nicknames were used: Elisabeth Duplay was Babet, Augustin Bon Joseph Robespierre was Bonbon,...): it's affectionate without being too informal ("Max" would feel too informal imo, and that's why it's so funny used by Fouché in The Black Book)

If I remember well, the only persons who call him Maxime in LRF are the Desmoulins-Duplessis (even the Duplays call him Robespierre or Maximilien). Camille does because they're painted as very close old-schoolmates (idk how close they truly were, it's possible they were in some classes together at Louis Le Grand, but Robespierre was 2y older and that's a lot for teenagers) and Lucile calls him Maxime too because Robespierre is portrayed to be as close as family for them: she calls him "uncle Maxime" to their son Horace. And when she begs him for Camille's life she starts with Maxime, then tries telling him "you're the godfather of our son!" (which is false), then calls after him "Maximilien!" when she realises he's abandonning them.

So I'd say the use of "Maxime" in LRF is an emotional device to make his relationship to the Desmoulins-Duplessis feel particularly strong...and thus his ultimate "betrayal" worst.

[frostcluster]

Another Hikarifurumichi after Danton(1983)

aka they all love Desmoulins series

[fanfeline]

happier times

Pierre Ortin, Le jour de fête

[sillybaizhu]

and that would make Lucile Duplessis the dragon, i don't like where this is going

i’m supposed to rewrite shrek in the french revolution. would king louis xvi be lord farquaad?

Yes, and Danton is Shrek

[anotherhumaninthisworld]

I knew Madame Duplessis until her death in 1835. This woman, one of the most distinguished of her time for her mind, her education, her character and her beauty, raised her grandson Horace with extreme care. Horace adored his father, whose writings he constantly reread. He had such a cult for his memory that he challenged to a duel all those he heard slandering this great citizen. He thus had several affairs in which he always killed or injured his adversary. He sought solitude and rarely left his grandmother and his aunt, Lucile's sister. Horace was constantly in mourning of his father and mother, and had resolved to keep it that way for all his life. In 1814, this worthy son of Camille Desmoulins was so ashamed and saddened by the return of the Bourbons that he went into exile. He died in America of an epidemic in 1817. [sic]

Histoire de la Révolution française (1850) by Nicolas Villiaumé, volume 4, page 76-77.

OK, that image I had of Horace Desmoulins as just adorable kiddo #1 took a sudden turn…

[lisa-tyan]

french revolutionaries as hogwarts houses

[gryffindor] maximilien robespierre: chivalry. nerve. daring. [slytherin] antoine saint-just: ambition. determination. fraternity. [ravenclaw] camille desmoulins: wit. creativity. individuality. [hufflepuff] lucile duplessis: dedication. patience. kindness.

[monimarat]

The Duplessis house in Bourg-la-Reine. From Claretie’s Camille Desmoulins: Ouvrage Illustré

A young Lucile negotiates a visit:

« Monsieur Duplessis, dans son cabinet, au coin du feu » : « Ma sœur et moi, nous savons que tu dois aller à la campagne un des jours de cette semaine. Te souviens-tu, qu'il y a plus de quinze jours que tu nous avais promis de nous y mener ? Tu m'as dit, qu'il t'en souvienne, que si j'apprenais Zaire [de Voltaire], tu me donnerais tout ce que je voudrais.

J'en sais déjà presque la moitié, papa, et je meurs d'envie de voir les petits cochons. Ma sœur se joint à moi pour te demander la même grâce et pour te présenter le respectueux attachement avec lequel nous sommes, mon cher papa, tes très humbles servantes. Lucile et Adèle? »

From Un Rêve de République

[nesiacha]

do you have some good sources about how women during the frev thought about universal male suffrage? (i've been uncomfortable with some claims about how the frev was not feminist enough because women got the rights to vote in the 20th century, but cannot back up this discomfort.)

"I am quite limited on certain subjects and this is one of them (I am currently researching the exact thoughts of women during the French Revolution on universal suffrage).

Unfortunately, it has been a great shame that the French Revolution was misogynistic despite the meager rights that were gradually taken away from them over time. Even the greatest progressives like Sylvain Maréchal, who was an important disciple of Babeuf, had as a project to ensure that women did not have a say in the learning of reading.

The fact that misogyny was already present during the Ancien Régime (Marie Antoinette is blamed for all evils when in reality she did not have much say during her husband's reign, to better absolve Louis XVI and the policy of France under this absolute regime) or that Napoleon made the condition of women worse than that of Italy or Spain (I mentioned this in my post 'Women's Rights Suppressed') while being a great hypocrite does not absolve the revolutionaries for what they did in their misogyny.

There was a habit of attacking the wives of their adversaries to better discredit them (like Manon Roland, Marie Françoise Goupil, wife of Hébert, Lucile Duplessis, wife of Desmoulins), which is an interesting parallel on this point with the attacks against Marie Antoinette.

Olympe de Gouges spoke about the rights of women and citizens. Pauline Léon, Claire Lacombe, who demanded the right to organize in the national army. Théroigne de Méricourt, Louis Reine Audu, and again Claire Lacombe fought in the Tuileries and yet, despite being rewarded with a civic crown, they would not have the right to speak on universal suffrage.

Chaumette was a great misogynist, Robespierre too (one could tell me that he supported Louise de Keralio's candidacy for her entry into the academy, but in political matters, it was another story), Danton, Sylvain Maréchal, Amar, etc. I am not here to blame Robespierre and I deplore that there is a black legend about him, but one can see a certain purely political gesture in my opinion for the action he will take towards Simone Evrard.

As much as Simone Evrard is a very intelligent woman, with an extraordinary destiny very underestimated, capable of making very good political speeches (one of the people of the French Revolution that I admire the most), I wonder if the fact that Robespierre personally introduced her into the Assembly was just an opportunistic gesture because he would have had an additional reason to discredit Jacques Roux and Théophile Leclerc thanks to the speech she made while he was among the revolutionaries who approved the restriction of women's rights. Respect towards Simone Evrard regarding her dignity and intelligence (maybe even surely) opportunism, I would be tempted to answer on this by affirmative.

Risking repeating myself, Napoleon being a greater oppressor towards women by taking away the few rights they had, enacting oppressive and hypocritical laws, and even bloody ones concerning them, does not absolve the other revolutionaries of their sexism.

And there is no excuse that it was of their time (in fact, I noticed that this lie is used in my opinion to absolve Napoleon but not the revolutionaries, but forced to see that it fits into the same idea)... First of all, Charles Gilbert Romme was more progressive in women's rights, Marat and Charlier too, Camille Desmoulins thought that women could have the right to vote, Condorcet demanded gender equality, Carnot worked with him in women education with Pastoret and Guilloud , Guyomar opposed the exclusion of women from universal suffrage. Worse than anything, while the clubs and societies of women ended up being banned, which is a regression.

In 1795, for attempting to revolt against the Assembly which abolished the social policies of the Montagnards, they were prohibited from attending assemblies and even from gathering in the streets in groups of more than 5. Moreover, the term 'tricoteuse' to insult women was not invented during the Napoleonic era or the royalist era but in 1795.

What did women think about this? This is where I am quite limited because besides the answers I have given about these women and their actions, unfortunately, there is not much else I can say due to my limited knowledge.

In any case, I hope I have helped a bit to support the aforementioned statements.

In the meantime, I can provide some of my sources: the historian Mathilde Larrère, Antoine Resche who made very good summarized portraits of some revolutionary women on the website 'veni vidi sensi', I would also recommend reading the book by the writer Claude Guillon on Robespierre, women, and the Revolution (even though I completely disagree with some of his books that have been legally condemned, this one is rather good and he had a quite good blog on the French Revolution that I recommend checking out), and the historian Jean-Clément Martin, 'La révolte brisée'."

Reedit: Thank you to aedesluminis for inform me the role that Carnot Pastoret and Guilloud did with women's education.

[elisacoyote]

Lucile Desmoulins :3

[yourhelenwolf]

Friendship with Desmoulins.

After the Lycée Louis-le-Grand, the friendship between Desmoulins and Robespierre was interrupted until the events of the revolution. When Robespierre moved to Versailles, and then to Paris, he did not try to restore friendship with Desmoulins: he did not look for him and did not write to him. Their acquaintance resumed only after June 7, 1790, after the provocation of Desmoulins, who deliberately distorted Robespierre’s speech in his article, to use a retraction as a pretext to renew the acquaintance. Confirmation of the close friendship between Desmoulins and Robespierre is considered to be that Robespierre was a bride's witness at the wedding of Desmoulins, but witnesses at the same wedding were Jérôme Pétion, Louis-Sébastien Mercier, Jacques Pierre Brissot, Charles-Alexis Brûlart. The choice is due to the popularity of these people rather than friendship. For the same reason, in 1792, the godfather of Desmoulins’ child was chosen Robespierre. Lucile recalls Robespierre's school friendship in the letter with rude accusations and attempts to induce sentimentality by mentioning the wedding and the child. It was written after the arrest of Desmoulins. Describing the events of August 10, the same Lucile only in passing mentions the threat of the murder of Robespierre. It is an extraordinary indifference towards a close family friend. Lucile's mother calls Robespierre is the best friend of Desmoulins. After the arrest of Lucile in her letter to him, she also writes that Robespierre should recall his desire to marry Lucile's sister – Adèle. Nobody ever mentioned this desire again and did not call Robespierre like that. Robespierre himself called Desmoulins the Danton's friend. Adèle Duplessis was born in 1774 (died 1863). At the time of the events of 1790-1791 she was 16-17 years old. There is no information except a letter from Lucile's mother, which would confirm the desire of Robespierre to conclude this marriage. But probably, Desmoulins was hoping for a wedding. I would venture to guess that he tried to arrange this marriage during the period from between 1790 and the summer of 1791, to influence Robespierre through his future wife. The marriage did not take place. In the summer of 1791 Robespierre moved to Duplay and met Éléonore. Desmoulins and Danton disliked the Duplay family. Apart from the failed plans of Desmoulins I can not find the reason for this attitude. Throughout their acquaintance, Desmoulins tried to influence Robespierre’s political decisions through interpersonal relations, but to no avail. Robespierre knew Desmoulins and had no illusions. He characterized Camille as capricious, addicting, biased and vain. In this case, the fact of spiritual closeness and close friendship is very doubtful. The principles of Desmoulins contradicted the principles of Robespierre. Their communication is explained by the common goals at a separate stage of the revolution. When the goals became different, Desmoulins spoke out against Robespierre. He could not help but understand that an unlimited amnesty would lead to serious problems for the revolution. Desmoulins’ attacks on the revolutionary government in the “Le Vieux Cordelier” were attacks on Robespierre. This act can not be called friendly. There is a possibility that Desmoulins envied Robespierre, because Danton’s ministry, of which he was a part, became a laughing stock, and the Committee, which included Robespierre, was able to resolve a number of important issues. Desmoulins was an instrument in the hands of Danton's counter-revolutionary party. He overestimated the power of his influence on Robespierre, an influence that never existed, as never was a true friendship between these people.