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#Cracker#Cracker band#crackeredit#David Lowery#Johnny Hickman#Sandra Bernhard#Low#alternative rock#alternative#rock#90's#90's music#my gifs
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"Blue blue is the sun Brown brown is the sky Green green of her eyes A million miles a million miles"
#Cracker band#Thebandcracker#David Lowery#Johnny Hickman#moodboard#music moodboard#song lyrics#90s music#alternative rock#black and white#sandra bernhard#crackerband#crackersoul#songlyrics
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#fantastic four#fantastic 4#the fantastic 4#the fantastic four#reed richards#mister fantastic#mr fantastic#susan storm richards#susan storm#susan richards#sue storm#sue richards#invisible woman#marvel#marvel posting#marvel fandom#marvel comics#marvel community#johnny storm#ben grimm#mark waid#jonathan hickman#ryan north#dwayne mcduffie#stan lee#jack kirby#john byrne#walter simonson#walt simonson
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Few issues later...
#johnny storm#fantastic four#hickman's run#ben grimm#SOMEONE IMPREGNATE THIS MAN 📢📢📢📢📢#he was ovulating 😞😞😞
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Algo que hacer
Fantastic Four #601 Jonathan Hickman (Guionista), Steve Epting (Dibujante)
— Spider-Man: ¿Johnny? — Johnny Storm: Sí… en serio, ¿qué llevas puesto? — Spider-Man: Reed y los chicos han hecho uniformes nuevos. — Johnny Storm: Pues son un horror. — Spider-Man: Estás muerto. Te moriste. — Johnny Storm: Más de una vez, y sigo siendo más guapo que tú. — Spider-Man: Dios mío… — Johnny Storm: Soy yo de verdad, Pete. — Spider-Man: ¡ESTÁS VIVO! — Johnny Storm: Vale, vale, bájame. Bonitos fuegos artificiales. — Spider-Man: Sí, el fin del mundo, invasión Kree. Sabes de qué va. — Johnny Storm: Sí, sí que lo sé. Sujétame a Annihilus. Hay algo que tengo que hacer.
— Iron Man: ¿Es ese…? — Susan Storm: Dios mío… — Ben Grimm: ¿Qué…? Oh. Menuda cosa…
— Centinela Kree: Iniciad eliminación, completadla y pasad al blanco suplementario. ¡Alerta! Revisión de amenaza matriz. Blanco primario aumenta resistencia. Calculando tiempo de tarea. Calculando. Comunicad plan temporal corregido. — Ben Grimm: “Comunicad plan temporal, corregido”. ¿Es así como un robot pregunta qué hora es? Dejadme que os ayude con eso. ¡ES LA HORA DE LAS TORTAS! ¿Estás bien? — Alicia Masters: Sí. — Ben Grimm: Vale. Tengo que trabajar, Alicia. — Alicia Masters: He oído a todos. Lo del cielo… ¿De verdad era…? — Ben Grimm: Me dispongo a averiguarlo.
#comics#comic books#comic book panels#marvel comics#superheroes#fantastic four#fantastic 4#4 fantásticos#johnny storm#human torch#spider man#ben grimm#the thing#jonathan hickman#steve epting
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#doom#dr doom#doctor doom#fantastic four#jack kirby#galactus#jonathan hickman#sanford greene#marvel comics#victor von doom#reed richards#mr fantastic#susan storm#ben grimm#the human torch#mister fantastic#invisible woman#the thing#johnny storm
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FF #17 (2011)
#ff#future foundation#johnny storm#human torch#peter parker#spider-man#marvel#comics#marvel comics#jonathan hickman
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Fantastic Four (1998) #587 by Jonathan Hickman and Steve Epting
#marvel#marvel comics#fantastic four#johnny storm#human torch#ben grimm#the thing#jonathan hickman#steve epting
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The Fantastic Four by Dale Eaglesham.
#fantastic four#dale eaglesham#ben grimm#reed richards#sue storm#johnny storm#franklin richards#valeria richards#the thing#human torch#invisible woman#mr fantastic#jonathan hickman#late 2000s#first family#2009#marvel#marvel comics#poster#pin up#married with children#FF
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So the F4 cast announcement got me thinking about what comics to read if I get around to that and then about Doom and then I got me thinking... where exactly is Latveria supposed to be? The name makes me think of the Baltic states but I could be wrong.
So yeah, great announcement!
Pedro Pascal is a bit typecast as playing the Dad character (although that's become "one of those good problems"), but I'm thrilled that Cousin Ritchie is going to be playing Ben Grimm.
Obviously, they won't let Ebon Moss-Bachrach swear as much as he does in the Bear, but he's a fantastic actor and I cannot wait to see him bringing that mix of temper and soulfulness to the part.
I haven't seen much of Vanessa Kirby's work, but I'm looking forward to seeing what she can do with a better script than Napoleon.
And Joseph Quinn is excellent and I look forward to seeing some of "Eddie" Munson's energy in Johnny Storm.
In terms of recommendations for FF comics, I've got you there:
Read the Kirby/Lee run. It's a work of art from beginning to end.
Read the Walt Simonson's run.
This is going to be controversial, but you might want to skip the Byrne run.
Read the Jonathan Hickman run. A serious tour de force.
Alongside the Hickman run, Fraction/Allred is quite good too.
As for where Latveria is, it is indeed Balkan:
As you can see from the map, Central/Eastern Europe in Earth 616 is quite different and significantly more Balkanized (forgive the pun) compared to Earth 1218 (also known as our universe).
In addition to Doom's Latveria, we have Symkaria (the dysfunctional micro-kingdom whose economy is largely supported by Silver Sable's mercenary company), Transia (birthplace of Wanda and Pietro Maximoff and home to the High Evolutionary's Island of Doctor Moreau Wundagore Mountain), and a bunch of minor ones like Ruritania (from The Prisoner of Zenda), Carnelia (a post-Soviet state that Tony Stark and Justin Hammer fight over), Belgriun (a totalitarian monarchy that was overthrown by a bunch of Spider-Men villains), Draburg (which showed up in some Sabra comics), and some other small ones that I couldn't find on the wiki.
#marvel#marvel meta#fantastic four#book recommendations#latveria#doctor doom#the world outside your window#mcu#pedro pascal#vanessa kirby#ebon moss bachrach#joseph quinn
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Hot Vintage TV Men's Bracket - Full List
Sorry for the delay, it took us longer than expected to finalize the list. We are currently working on finishing and finalizing the bracket for round 1. For now enjoy the list of everyone in the tournament and we'll be back on Thursday evening to kick off round 1!
Boris Karloff
Clint Walker
Desi Arnaz
Claude Rains
James Arness
James Garner
William Hopper
Adam West
Alejandro Rey
Bob Crane
Cesar Romero
David McCallum
David Selby
Davy Jones
DeForest Kelley
Dick Gautier
Dick Van Dyke
Dwayne Hickman
Eddie Albert
George Maharis
George Takei
John Astin
Jonathan Frid
Larry Hagman
Leonard Nimoy
Mark Lenard
Martin Milner
Michael Nesmith
Micky Dolenz
Patrick McGoohan
Patrick Troughton
Peter Tork
Randy Boone
Raymond Burr
Richard Chamberlain
Robert Conrad
Robert Fuller
Robert Vaughn
Rod Serling
Russell Johnson
Ted Bessell
Ted Cassidy
Tom Smothers
Walter Koenig
William Hartnell
William Shatner
Alan Alda
Brian Blessed
Darren McGavin
David Cassidy
David Soul
Dean Butler
Demond Wilson
Derek Jacobi
Eric Idle
Erik Estrada
Fred Grandy
Fred Rogers
Hal Linden
Henry Winkler
Jamie Farr
John Cleese
John Hurt
Jon Pertwee
Judd Hirsch
Kabir Bedi
Kent McCord
Lee Majors
Michael Landon
Michael Palin
Mike Farrell
Peter Falk
Randolph Mantooth
Richard Hatch
Ricardo Montalban
Robert Wagner
Rock Hudson
Simon Williams
Telly Savalas
Terry Jones
Tom Baker
Wayne Rogers
Anthony Andrews
Bruce Boxleitner
Bruce McCulloch
Colin Baker
Dave Foley
David Hasselhoff
Dirk Benedict
Gene Anthony Ray
Gerald McRaney
Hugh Laurie
Jameson Parker
Jeremy Brett
Jimmy Smits
John Forsythe
John Stamos
Johnny Depp
Kevin McDonald
Mark McKinney
Martin Kove
Michael J. Fox
Michael Praed
Mr. T
Patrick Duffy
Peter Davison
Richard Dean Anderson
Rik Mayall
Rowan Atkinson
Sam Neill
Scott Thompson
Simon MacCorkindale
Stephen Fry
Sylvester McCoy
Ted Lange
Tom Selleck
Tony Danza
Alexander Siddig
Andre Braugher
Andreas Katsulas
Andrew Robinson
Anthony Head
Anthony Starke
Armin Shimerman
Avery Brooks
Brad Dourif
Brent Spiner
Bruce Campbell
Charles Shaughnessy
Colm Meaney
Craig Charles
Dana Ashbrook
Danny John-Jules
Darren E. Burrows
David Duchovny
David Hyde Pierce
David Schwimmer
David Suchet
David Wenham
Dean Stockwell
Garrett Wang
Gary Cole
Grant Show
James Earl Jones
James Marsters
Jeff Conaway
Jeffrey Combs
John Corbett
John de Lancie
John Goodman
John Shea
Jonathan Frakes
Joseph Marcell
Kevin Smith
Kevin Sorbo
Kyle MacLachlan
LeVar Burton
Luke Perry
Marc Alaimo
Mark-Paul Gosselaar
Matt LeBlanc
Matthew Perry
Michael Dorn
Michael Horse
Michael Hurst
Michael O’Hare
Michael Ontkean
Michael Tylo
Miguel Ferrer
Mitch Pileggi
Nate Richert
Nicholas Lea
Noah Wyle
Paolo Montalban
Patrick Stewart
Paul Gross
Paul Johansson
Paul McGann
Peter Wingfield
René Auberjonois
Robert Beltran
Robert Carlyle
Robert Duncan McNeill
Ron Perlman
Scott Bakula
Seth Green
Spencer Rochfort
Stephen Nichols
Ted Danson
Ted Raimi
Thorsten Kaye
Tim Daly
Timothy Dalton
Tim Russ
Valentine Pelka
William Shockley
Ben Browder
Brandon Quinn
Brian Krause
Chad Michael Murray
Christian Kane
Conner Trinneer
Daniel Dae Kim
David Boreanaz
David Tennant
Donnie Wahlberg
Eric Close
Ioan Gruffudd
Jensen Ackles
Jeremy Sisto
Joe Lando
Joshua Jackson
Keith Hamilton Cobb
Michael Shanks
Nathan Fillion
Neil Patrick Harris
Reece Shearsmith
Richard Ayoade
Rob Lowe
Ron Glass
Scott Cohen
Skeet Ulrich
Tom Welling
Tony Shalhoub
Billy Dee Williams
Bruce Willis
Clint Eastwood
Colin Firth
George Clooney
Jeremy Irons
Paul Michael Glaser
Pierce Brosnan
Sean Bean
Blair Underwood
David James Elliot
Michael Vartan
Michael T. Weiss
Scott Patterson
Sebastian Cabot
Luke Halpin
Adam Brody
Jason Bateman
Matt Bomer
Timothy Olyphant
Woody Harrelson
Richard Biggs
Robin Williams
Will Smith
John Schneider
Milo Ventimiglia
Bobby Troup
Bobby Sherman
Chad Everett
Casey Biggs
Jason Priestley
Don Adams
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The Fantastic Four & Krakoa Part 1
I find it revealing, but entirely in character, that the Fantastic Four had a very *liberal* attitude towards Krakoa from the jump. To clarify, by liberal I mean *centrist* or middle class. Historically beneficiaries under most status quo and unreliable allies at best to anyone who doesn't.
BONK!
In House of X #1, the helmet bros send a strike team to steal the plans for Sol's Hammer - a Dyson Sphere around Sol designed by *a* Reed Richards Tony Stark - from Damage Control. ORCHIS built one and they need to avoid genocide. Toad, Mystique, and Sabertooth successfully copy the blueprints but Creed gets carried away killing people. Many different groups had the same idea (looting Reed and Tony's IP) but they manage to get out. The FF do a solid cop impression and try to stop them. Toad and Mystique make it to the gate, and Sabertooth does not.
Just me or were they ready to fight whoever came through the gate?
Creed is detained by Sue and then Cyclops comes to greet the four. All is friendly as befits lifelong friends and Slim shows off his fancy social skills. The four do the same, except Reed. You'd think he'd be used to it considering DOOM is always let go.
'So...' 'So.'
Nobody is surprised in the least when the true reason for his visit is revealed. Reed especially, with his crossed arms and complete silence until the 'so.' Jonathan Hickman knows how to write Reed Richards and The Avengers - if he wanted this to be Tony Stark or whoever it'd be them instead. Of course he knows what amnesty is and Krakoa is MASSIVE global news at this point, so either he's being a dick (possible) or he just doesn't care for that law and is willing to use force to subvert it. These crimes were on camera with many witnesses, there's zero reason for the FF to be handling this incident. A utilitarian might even say that providing medical care would save lives (his super science is incredibly effective.) Maybe he's irked that it's his/Tony's stuff being taken, but he doesn't mention that. Just a stated 'problem with that' then this standoff.
Keep in mind over 150 countries have recognised Krakoa at this point, including the USA, China, India, The UK, Canada. Recognition gets you a trade agreement for Krakoan miracle medicine and two other things.
1. Any mutant can claim Krakoan citizenship by birth.
2. An unstated but limited amnesty period for any and all crimes, the idea being that human bias against mutants makes justice impossible. All mutants from treaty countries are made available for extradition so the nation of Krakoa can judge them.
Is it ballsy as hell? Absolutely, but it's law. Seems very hypocritical to pick and choose, especially when you're enforcing it yourself. Do Reed and co know better than the US government or the United Nations? Eh, probably not. *Cough* ILLUMINATI *cough.* They could be the living tribunal and it wouldn't make this any less hypocritical. They're placing themselves above it here and I can't see why they'd go that far.
Cyclops puts his hands up and backs off, still very politely. That's that settled. Without acknowledging that or missing a beat Sue says her piece. 'What are all of you thinking?' 'Of course not, but...' I really wish Sue didn't get cut off there. I'd have to do a lot less speculating.
What a find!
My read on the subtext is that this engagement started off tense AF, and the FF were not interested in being diplomatic. Johnny and Ben barely speak, Cyclops' politeness and personal, first name greetings compared to 'Slim' and then 'Cyclops.' One would expect the mood to lighten somewhat after he concedes that they're a country unto themselves, but it doesn't. I get the impression Sue's not really listening to Scott, and after the 'but...' he stops trying to meet them halfway. It's impossible to say if he still would have said that about Franklin (AKA the last thing these NIMBYs want to hear) but it wouldn't surprise if it's a subtle 'hey idiots, you're invested in this too. Hope you don't treat your son like this.' (They do.)
Next time we'll find out if they've budged when it comes to their mutant son. (Spoilers, they invade Krakoa.)
It is a recent-ish development, and humans/people are great at kneejerk reactionary initial responses, so maybe I'm being unfair. Honestly, I don't think so. The FF have rarely lifted a finger for mutants and it's obvious this is a subject they've discussed and reached a consensus on. Besides, if you're appointing yourself AmbassadorCop you need to be prepared to deal with situations like this. Krakoa is a country not a treehouse. Regardless of what anyone thinks of Krakoa, by the internal rules of 616 they're as legit as any other country, legally.
Also, Reed should not be surprised by this. Chuck bought up Krakoa at an Illuminati meeting years ago. We don't see the rest of the discussion but I'm pretty sure he knew before Magneto did, for example.
#x comics#house of x#fantastic four#krakoa#politics#marvel#x men#xmen#comics#magneto#charles xavier#cyclops#sue storm#reed richards#johnny storm#ben grimm#sabertooth#mystique#mortimer toynbee#amnesty#damage control
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Since you read all of Ultimate Fantastic Four, what do you think of the series?
Gave me an understanding of why shows like Keeping Up With The Kardashians are popular. Something about following trashy people can be oddly compelling and entertaining. Ellis and Millar’s sections were the strongest of the run, with Carey only getting good towards the end. Ellis spends a lot of time “realistically” explaining how the powers of the Four work, and used that same approach to the Ultimate takes on Doom and the Negative Zone too. Millar in contrast is throwing out cool ideas to see what sticks (zombie F4, everyone gets superpowers, spiders that eat time travelers, Doom pulls a Superior Spider-Man on Reed) and doesn’t particularly care to explain in depth how any of it works. His is the most entertaining section of the UFF and the one where the premise really shines. You get to see the potential of a less squeaky clean F4 in terms of what stories can be told, all of the Four get character focus even if in the case of Sue and Johnny it only makes them more unlikable.
I already talked about Reed but regarding the other three:
Ben is more or less the same as his 616 counterpart. Pissed at Reed for his transformation, angsts over it and is terminally depressed, but when his team or world needs him he brings the clobbering. Thing’s best moments are ironically in the President Thor arc where he has no powers. Scene at that end where he beats the Super Skrull to death for genociding Earth is peak Thing. Ben Grimm rules no matter the reality.
Ultimate Johnny is a moron. A well-meaning moron with a (small) heart of gold to compensate for having no brains to be fair. He has some good moments like clueing Reed in that Sue likes him at the start of the series, and being willing to give up his powers if it means curing Ben as an apology for an incredibly asshole “joke” he plays on Ben earlier. But he remains a shallow fratbro for the entire run, with only the death of his father at the end of the series (thanks to Ultimatum) pushing him towards bettering himself. Bendis’ usage of him in USM is superior to how he’s used in UFF imo.
Another unintentional foreshadowing here that I loved. Sue goes on a mission to Siberia alone after Reed alienated himself from the rest of the team because he was obsessed with shooting the Cube. Sue gets shot down and Johnny blames Reed for it, threatening to burn Reed to death if Sue dies. Follows through on that threat after Reed DOES hurt Sue in Ultimate Doom! Within the arc itself Johnny comes across as an unstable prick, but people probably feel more inclined to side with him knowing what Reed will become. I however saw how you could feasibly make Johnny a bad guy, imagine a world where Sue does die and Johnny is the one to go off the deep end. Can’t see 616 Johnny ever breaking like that, but this guy could have.
Sue… is much, much worse than her 616 counterpart. Most writers, even great ones like Hickman, don’t know what to do with Sue. At best she’s the “mom” and that’s her entire character. She takes care of the kids and nags the rest of the team. Ultimate Sue being unmarried means that they can’t fall back on that so instead they make her whole personality being a woman. Mole Man and Namor are sex pests towards her, she gets kidnapped because one villain wants to use her to resurrect his wife and the other villain wants to steal her powers because she thinks they’re wasted on Sue. Everything about her revolves around the men in her life, even breaking her and Reed up merely leads to a new permanent relationship between her and Ben.
Sue’s biggest fear is becoming her mom, who is a selfish asshole who abandoned the Storm family because she valued her career more than them. Suppose that means she’s attracted to Reed initially because her mommy issues made her think she could get Reed to pick her over science where she failed with her mom. She’s constantly showing off skin to titillate the readership. Arcs focused on her were the worst of the run, and that breakup scene at the end of UFF: Requiem managed to make her shooting down a marriage proposal at her dad’s funeral unsympathetic. All these legit reasons to break Sue and Reed up for good, and they went for the one that makes Sue as unlikable as possible. Yeah how dare Reed not prioritize saving you over saving the planet!
If UFF exists on a spectrum with Reed being morally sketchy even prior to his breakdown, and Ben essentially being the same as his 616 counterpart, Johnny and Sue are right in the middle with Johnny edging towards the heroic side and Sue leaning towards villainy. People have forgotten this but Ultimate Sue had two evil futures where she broke bad. One where she becomes Kang which was Fialkov trying to justify Reed’s transformation into Maker, and the other in a completely forgotten F4/X-Men crossover where she becomes an evil dictator in an alternate future after Johnny gets killed in Ultimatum, with Reed opposing her. God that entire story was a fever dream, on its own it’s mediocre as hell but every goddamn reveal hits ten times harder when you know what’s coming.
Damnit this was a punch straight to the gut. In said future Reed becomes Nihl, no matter what it seems he was destined to emulate one of the Four’s foes. Biggest takeaway from UFF for me is that I could buy Ultimate Reed, Sue, or Johnny breaking bad. All three are shitty people with poor emotional control and narcissistic elements to their personalities. Reed simply had the misfortune to be the one Bendis chose to shove into the deep end.
Ultimate X-Men is the only Ultimate series I haven’t read yet but right now I rate UFF as the weakest of the ones I have. It’s not bad by any means! Actually I quite enjoyed it depending on the arc. Unlike USM and Ultimates however I don’t think UFF does anything better than the mainline FF book. Tellingly that while MCU adaptions of Spider-Man and Avengers borrowed a lot from their Ultimate counterparts, the FF seem to be drawing entirely from 616. UFF works better as a contrast with the mainline rather than as an entry point to the franchise for new readers.
#ultimate fantastic four#ben grimm#johnny storm#sue storm#the thing#invisible woman#human torch#fantastic four
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This might not be 100% accurate, but it certainly seems that way to an outside observer; fantastic Four fans, feel free to correct me.
It sucks how, to an outside observer, all the Fantastic Four villains are either opponents or the F4 generally *or* Reed specifically.
Like, it wouldn't be as bad if it was a consistent "nobody really hates any individual member of the F4, they just hate the group," or "people hate *every* member of the F4," but like, the fact that there are some villains who could be said to be primarily Reed villains with no real comparisons for the others is a shame.
And it's also a shame because you can absolutely take the existing villains and make them "specific" to the individual members. Like, make it so that Namor is a Sue villain because of his initial view of her as a prize to be won; obviously, Puppet Master as a Thing villain works really well, keep that, and expand on his Yancy Street stuff; Johnny is harder to pin down, but I could see his fireball stuff and existing history with the character making him a good foil for Galactus.
Heck, expand it further! Moleman's been abducting kids from Yancy Street, make him a Thing villain; Given his role in Hickman's run, make Johnny Storm the central opponent for the Negative Zone and Annihilus; and, this one's a bit out of left field, but I think recentering Kang around Sue could bring the rejuvenation it seems Marvel's wanting for him. Hell, just to reduce the number of Nathaniel Richardses running around, have him reject the Richards name outright and become Nathaniel Storm. Have Iron Lad spend some time with the Fantastic 4, start to idolise Sue, and that knock-on down the timeline to the extent that it's fully gender swapped Kang into Natalie Storm.
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Ms. Cat, Ms. Cat! You've talked about how great the Waid and Hickman runs are before, so I wanted to ask: what are some things about these runs that you didn't like? Is there anything you would've added, dropped, and/or rewritten, if you were magically granted the ability to do so?
Ooh okay NEGATIVITY. my actual favorite. and I can do it off the top of my head! (I found the 2018 copy of my refs folder, but not the hard drive I know has a 2022 copy.)
So I have talked a lot about what those runs do right, and I think Waid especially is a really good beginner run, like, if you want to start reading Fantastic Four comics, his run is as close to a perfect modern starting point as we have. (I was talking to someone recently and the conversation segued at one point into how, for a lot of comics, there's no such thing as The Place Where You Start Reading, you kind of just have to hop in.) Hickman... is not an ideal starting point, but if you want to read an interesting, coherent Fantastic Four story that's plot heavy, the first half of his run is excellent for that. (Note I said first half. I'll come back to that.) As opposed to, say, Claremont's run, which is completely incoherent in terms of plot but has the best character work in probably any Fantastic Four run ever. Just don't pick it up if you want the story to, you know. Make sense.
Waid's run -- I would never say Waid's run is perfect, although I do think it's good, which is sort of all you can ask for a lot of the time. The beginning of it definitely falls victim to what I kind of privately call the Johnny Effect: I think a lot of writers have trouble writing Johnny at the start, whether because they don't entirely understand his character or because they're less interested in him than the other three. I literally have a rule where I'll give a new Fantastic Four run like, seven or so issues for the writer to settle into writing Johnny, because a lot of people will fall back on these very shallow perceptions of him, namely that he's irresponsible. (I also think Hickman fell victim to this a little bit at the start of his run, although like with most Johnny Effect cases I'll let it go because both Waid and Hickman wrote incredible Johnny-focused stories that absolutely nailed everything about the character. Whatever Happened to Johnny Storm? and Storm Rising are two of my top Johnny story picks, so they do both get him. It just takes some time sometimes.) Waid's not that bad about it, and he did attempt to spin what I think are traits Johnny doesn't really possess (the playboy nature, the emotional immaturity) into a character arc that does have some good payoff, but if you compare Johnny at the beginning of his run to Johnny in, say, Claremont's run, there's a big difference in terms of characterization. I also don't think Waid is anywhere near the top ten Doom writers -- he goes too hard into utterly cartoon villainy. (Waid's run is, after all, the origin of the Childhood Love Skin Armor of infamy.) His Doom lacks the nuance of Hickman's take, or even the iron willed commitment of Miller's. (I will say whatever I want about the rest of that run but Doom getting eaten by a prehistoric shark and then pulling himself back together atom by atom out of sheer spite is just so fundamentally Doom.) So his characterization can be shaky. He can also pull out really strong moments! I think his depiction of Johnny and Reed's respective grief over Ben is really powerful stuff, although I don't like, love the "journey to heaven" arc. (God is Jack Kirby is pretty funny, though.) If anything, I think it's the juxtaposition of the really strong moments that make the weaker characterization more obvious. I think the Doom characterization is probably my biggest criticism of Waid's run, overall. (I also didn't like his recent Invisible Woman miniseries like, at all. I thought it was boring! Sorry! I wanted to like it!)
Now Hickman, I'm going to complain about. So Hickman's run comes immediately after Mark Miller's run, which I never recommend for the simple reason that it's not good. It's not a good run. Miller deserves his general reputation as one of those overly bro-y comic writers who mistakes sprinkling in sexism for hard hitting realism. Do I kind of want to reread the run right now? Yeah, sort of. Despite it being Not Good, I think there's genuinely interesting stuff in it. Hickman spends the first few issues of his run utterly trampling on Miller's run, like, Godzilla on a miniature city style. It's a little amazing to watch, honestly, like I admire the spirit of spite -- that's what I want to do to both Spencer and Wells' ASM runs -- but it has some intensely negative side effects, namely when it comes to Alyssa Moy.
Alyssa Moy is a character Claremont created back in his run -- she's Reed's old college friend/sometimes flame depending on what writer you ask (they kiss in greeting in Claremont's run, but it could be viewed as a friend thing -- and she's pretty blatantly romantically interested in Ben in Claremont's run), a super genius adventurer who can intellectually hold her own against Reed. In short, she's SUPER fun. Every other writer since Claremont, save for Peter David in Before the Fantastic Four: Reed Richards, has been really fucking weird about her. Whether it's making Sue jealous of her because she's so Intellectually Compatible with Reed (this is nowhere in Claremont's introductory run, where Sue and Alyssa get along really well -- Alyssa was LIVING with the F4 for a while) or having her comment on how she and Reed would have intellectually superior kids while she's married to The Most Boring Man Ever Created, Ted Castle (Miller's run). Hickman is NOT immune to being weird about Alyssa. Where Miller's run leaves Alyssa with her Boring Fucking Husband on Planet Future or whatever (it's dumb, it's a dumb plot), Hickman's opens by saying Alyssa is now... a brain in a jar. A talking brain in a jar on robot spider legs. And then she gets murdered like five pages later. But don't worry, because her Boring Fucking Husband creates a robot version of her, and everyone is fine with this and it's cool actually and we don't have to look too closely about the problematic elements of replacing an Asian woman with a robot version of her built by her freak tech guy husband. And then they blast off to space and have not been seen again. I would SO BADLY love to retcon everything that happened with Alyssa post-Claremont because she's such a fun character and the way she's been treated since in the main book is disgraceful. That's my top pick for what I would fix if I had unlimited editorial power: Alyssa Moy solo.
(Is Hickman great about the depiction of women within the sole context of his Fantastic Four run? I think his greatest triumph with any one female character is Valeria, where he took Miller's depiction -- of a super smart toddler -- and honed that characterization into what's now very solidly Val, with all of Reed's intelligence and a lack of his emotional comprehension, with her strong emotional bond with Doom, with her pragmatism. Can I say he did equally for any other female character, again, solely with the context of his F4 run? Not really.)
I'm not gonna address the renumbering/retitling issue with Hickman's run because I don't think it's fair to put that on the writer, but I do think it's detrimental to the run overall, considering how you need a GUIDE to figure out how to read it. I will say that I think Hickman's run falls off HARD after he wraps up the Negative Zone plotline. And I LOVE the Negative Zone plotline, I think it's really a crowning moment in Fantastic Four canon, but Hickman doesn't seem to know what to do with his run after that point. And I love the roommate issue, it's given the Spideytorch community so much, but I genuinely do think we would have been better served exploring Johnny's emotional state after his two year long death and resurrection cycle, and that was mostly left for other writers to deal with after the fact. Which is kind of the flipside of Hickman's greatest strength -- Hickman is just, like, utterly great at blowing stuff the fuck up. You cannot hand that man a fictional universe he wouldn't gleefully explode and it's great, I love that, I love watching him blow stuff up. I think he really gets into the destruction of fictional realities in a wonderful way that gives you lots to think about. But in the case of his F4 run, there's this weird period between wrapping up the Negative Zone plotline in his first Fantastic Four run and his other Fantastic Four comics (his New Avengers run and Secret Wars (2015) are Fantastic Four comics) where he doesn't quite seem to know what to do, emotionally, with the fallout of everything he set up. Which is disappointing! His depiction of grief in the wake of Johnny's death is so powerful, and I love the message about LOVE (what saves the Fantastic Four and by proxy the world? LOVE) in his FF runs, but he doesn't seem to know what to do with it in the in between issues. That being said, I think the last issue of his FF run, the one with Franklin, is just a triumph. It's hard to be overly negative about the pacing problems in the wake of that, but they are there and I do think they should be addressed.
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Fantastic Four (1998) #576 Jonathan Hickman (Escritor), Dale Eaglesham (Dibujante)
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