#Jack be nimble nursery rhyme

[lemonsent]

Jack straight up killed a guy in his own home.

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Jack be nimble nursery rhyme

After playing the game, our grandmother would sit us down on the floor around her rocking chair and tell us her version of the story. My cousins and I would declare these words boldly before leaping with all our might over the tiny candlestick on the ground. For those of you who do not know, this game consists of singing the following lines while leaping over a candlestick on the ground. My favorite part of the evening is when we would play Jack Be Nimble. Be aware that this may be an inspiration to try the same for some kids. In this rhyme, Jack jumps over a candlestick. But the rhyme is still popular and it is used daily in many preschools and schools in England and USA. Many of my students were not very familiar with nursery rhymes, so it was fun introducing them to the magic of the rhyme. Nursery rhymes are so easy and fun to learn. It was first time published in year 1815. Nursery rhymes are so easy and fun to learn. We would all go to her house and she would tell us stories by the fire while we sipped hot chocolate from her signature coffee mugs. Jack be Nimble, Jack be Quick, Jack Jump Over the Candlestick - Mother Goose Nursery Rhyme Image details Search stock photos by tags Similar stock images. Jack Be Nimble is a short, old nursery rhyme. Many evenings, my grandmother would watch my cousins and me as our parents would go on date nights and to shows in the city. Jump, jump, jump, Jack jump See more of our Nursery Rhymes and Early Childhood Song Lyrics Many thanks to Jack Hartmann for permission to display these lyrics. One of my favorites was "Jack Be Nimble." As you know, my grandmother had a knack of putting her own twist on all kinds of nursery rhymes. It is interesting to note that Jack be nimble is now being referred to as Jack b nimble - the influence of the modern day practise of texting! The first publication date for Jack be nimble is 1798.I am delighted to see you back for yet another reimagined nursery rhyme from my lovely grandmother, Kay. Due to the cost of candles some employers only allowed the use of candles during the darkest months of the year and centred around Candlemas Day, known as the candle season. Here it was traditional to dance around the lace-makers great candlestick and this led to jumping over the candlestick. In Wendover there were lace-making schools (a good excuse for using children as slave labour). Suggestions about its origins are: it is related to a marriage ceremony it celebrates the escapes of. In the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries it was said to be good luck to jump over a lighted candle without extinguishing the flame. Digital Jack Be Nimble nursery rhyme poster / 8 by 10 / downloadable, printable / vintage boy Mother Goose digital print / wall art decor Item details FAQs. This dangerous game was banned and replaced by the far less dangerous sport of Candle leaping. Jack Be Nimble is generally believed to refer to a notorious 16th century English pirate named Black Jack, who had a talent for escaping the authorities. Jack Be Nimble Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack jump over the candlestick. Minnie and Daisy try to give Jack the cat a bath but he's too fast to catchDisney Junior Music presents all-new nursery rhymes with a magical Disney Junior. The tradition of candle-leaping originated from an old game of jumping over fires. The words of the Jack be nimble rhyme cannot be further analysed due to the brevity of the text of the lyrics but could be associated with the old tradition and sport of 'candle leaping' which used to be practised at some English fairs. The most commonly agreed origin for the Jack be nimble rhyme is the connection to Black Jack, an English pirate who was notorious for escaping from the authorities in the late 16th century hence Jack be nimble. Origin and History to the words of Jack be nimble

[justradical]

Jack be nimble nursery rhyme

You can choose both or the one that suits you the best. There are two versions of this printable pack, one in colour and one in black and white. Handwriting practice of words used in the nursery rhyme.Follow the Directions (Ordinal Numbers).Included in this printable pack are many math activities such as: This 80+ page printable pack helps enhance learning while reading the nursery rhyme, Jack be Nimble. Mostly practiced in the markets or fairs, it was believed that it was a good-luck sign if you were able to successfully clear the candle and not damp down the flame. Jumping over candlestick was a traditional activity in England. This pirate lived in the late 16th century and was very good at escaping from the authorities. This entry was posted in Children, Rhymes, Song, Verbal Lore on Maby f00314m.The origin of Jack Be Nimble is more than likely related to the famous English pirate Black Jack. This is considered a tradition because it was passed from mother to daughter and brother. Also, as she grew older and didn’t need a story before bed she grew out of this tradition and forgot about it until I asked about her childhood nightly rituals. I think that this since this was part of her nightly traditions it was hard for her to let go. She kept saying how she loved this nursery rhyme and how it brought great memories to her. Molly seemed to get happy when sharing this story. “Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, jack jump over the candle stick” She hopes to bring this nursery rhyme and the tradition of jumping over the candle to her family in the future. This nursery rhyme made Mollie think of her home and the traditions that she used to be a part of as a child and that have stopped over the years. Baa, Baa, Black Sheep Four and twenty tailors went to ki. Well go a-shooting There was an old woman, as Ive he. Who Stole the Birds Nest Pease-pudding hot Simple Simon Rain, Rain, go to Spain Little Tommy Tucker A diller, a dollar, a ten oclock. All in all, Mollie’s nursery rhyme, Jack be Nimble, reminded her of her childhood and the relationship between her mom and her brothers. Some more entertaining nursery rhymes from our collection.When Mollie grew up it was her turn to teach this action to her younger brother and when he grows up it is his duty to tell this nursery rhyme to his younger cousins. Instead of just singing it to her, her mom would set up a candle and Mollie would jump over the candle and into bed Mollie jumped over the candle stick multiple time before going to bed and the final jump would land her in bed and her mom would tuck her into sleep. Every week or so her mom would read her this nursery rhyme before bed. She “loves sharing this tradition with other people because it gives joy to bring people into her life.” When Mollie performs this nursery rhyme it is not just sung, but it is acted out. Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack jump over The candlestick. Absolute-Study ApNursery Rhymes No Comments. When Mollie was telling me this story she became happy and sad at the same time. Nursery Rhyme Jack Be Nimble Poem lyrics, Best Poem for Students, Rhyme for Kids of Nursery Classes. Her parents taught her the nursery rhyme Jack be Nimble. It was passed down from generation to generation. For her, this nursery rhyme was a tradition. When Mollie was recalling her story, she started to think of home and all the great traditions that she did as a child.She is interested in majoring in engineering and physics. She currently attends Dartmouth College and is in the class of 2020. She likes the stay active and get involved with art. She has played soccer her entire life and has been actively involved in other sports teams like basketball. She has one older brother and one younger brother and lives with her parents. She attended a large public school that was a part of the Detroit public school program. Mollie McGorisk was born on Main Detroit Michigan.

[nopizzaaftermidnight]

[askunclejack]

Do you wanna go for a ride? I'll break you out at midnight. We can ditch this place and feel the wind in our hair. C'mon Jack, you need a break.

🎵 Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack jump over The candlestick. 🎵

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Neverafter notes (1)

I am re-doing my Dimension 20: Neverafter notes. However I will go in a slightly different direction – since not many people are interested in these posts, and I do them mostly for me anyway, I’ll go with a… drier listing style I guess? Here my notes covering the three first episodes – aka the first arc of the season – aka the entirety of what we have with the first version of the Neverafter multiverse. Episode 1, The Time of Shadows. Episode 2, Mirror, Mirror. Episode 3, No Place for a Prince or Princess.

THE CHILDREN OF DESTINY:

Rosamund du Prix is Sleeping Beauty. More precisely she is a take on Disney’s Aurora – between her backstory involving three good fairies and a wicked one (the good fairies being recognizable by their colors, the third being dressed in blue) and the character herself being played like your “typical Disney princess cliché” (and twisted around – the whole thing of animal handling and survival in the wood being a D&D Ranger, or how her gifts of beauty and grace are about maintaining good-looks despite living in the wild and having agility bonus). There’s however some brothers Grimm points thrown into it all – such as the focus on “briars” and how the thorns killed all the princes that tried to reach

Gerard of Greenleigh is The Frog Prince (aka the popular culture take on the brothers Grimm fairytale “The Frog King”). Frog humanoid= D&D Hobgoblin.

Pib is Puss in Boots. From the French fairytale of Charles Perrault. Talking cat scoundrel = D&D’s Tabaxi Rogue. By episode 3, Alphonse (the mule from the original fairytale) turns out to be an actual talking animal too and to still be around the Neverafter.

Pinocchio is… well Pinocchio. Talking puppet = D&D’s Warforged. Is a Warlock, with his broken nose as his wizard’s staff and the Stepmother as his patron.

Timothy “Mother” Goose. Mother Goose. Famous figure-of-speech/title expression thanks to Perrault, but only became its own character in England, where she became the British “mascot” for nursery rhymes and fairy tales. Even got a nursery rhyme of her own, “Old Mother Goose and her son Jack”, of which Timothy as a character derives from. The Jack from this nursery rhyme is also the Jack of the game which is ALSO the “Jack be nimble” rhyme. Timothy’s husband, Henry Hubbard, is also from the nursery rhyme world – “Old Mother Hubbard”. Storyteller witch and caretaker = D&D’s Bard.

Ylfa Snorgelsson. Is Little Red Riding Hood: the Perrault version (since there was no Huntsman or Woodsman to save her, and she was “eaten” in the end – more here bitten and turned into a werewolf), but with touches and dashes of the Grimm version (the axe evoking the Woodsman, the whole thing about “not straying from the path”). Turning Little Red Riding Hood into a werewolf story has been made very popular thanks to the first influential work of fiction who did it: Angela Carter’s Gothic collection “The Bloody Chamber” which contains three short stories interweaving werewolves and Little Red Riding Hood (The Werewolf, The Company of Wolves, Wolf-Alice). These three tales were mixed in the cult classic movie “The Company of Wolves”, which added to Carter’s plotlines an exploration of the symbolic puberty of a young girl – something that is also explored in how Ylfa’s lycantrophy is treated. Werewolf Little Red still a popular take (the 2011 movie).

SOURCES OF INFLUENCE FOR THIS SEASON:

Into the Woods. Definitively. They make it very obvious. The giants being one of the main threats crushing everything ; the way the briars talked to Rosamund about keeping her safe (the Witch’s “Stay with me”), how Brennan and the gang repeat “Into the woods” in episode 2.

The Book of Lost Things – very possible. The Time of Shadows works so much like how there’s this cyclical corruption of the fairytale world in this novel. And both are about a magical quest to restore the land centered around a magical book supposedly containing all of the answers…

Fables. Maybe? I have never seen anywhere else the idea of “The de-transformed prince slowly turns back to his cursed form as the love of the princess wanes” (Gerard and Elodie, Beast and Beauty). Also the use of “living archetypes” within a collective fairytale world – something that Fables also became very famous for. Plus the Snow Queen being shown as an antagonist and an invading force.

Guillermo del Toro’s Pan Labyrinth. Maybe? The moment of “let’s all touch the book” in episode 2, especially when some drawings started appearing out of blood, reminded me of the magic book of this movie. Plus, it is a classic of “dark fairytale” movies, or “fairytale horror” if you prefer.

Terry Pratchett’s Witches Abroad. Almost certain, if not definitively. The entire sequence of Rosamund meeting the traumatized mice and talking to them reuses almost word for word the ideas that Pratchett brought in his novel about animals in fairytales being driven mad at being forced at acting humans. The entire thing of the Fairy Godmother and her transformed minions seems pulled out straight of the “fairytale horror” of this novel and of Genua’s fairy godmother tyrannical rule.

Shrek. Probably? After all it is the most famous piece of American media to deal with fairytales outside of the Disney movies… At least it is frequently referenced by the players.

FAIRYTALE CLICHES PLAYED AROUND WITH:

# “Happily ever after”. What happens once the fairytale ending is reach. The case of Elodie and Gerard is an especially fascinating case of exploring the metaphysical and human consequences of this idea. Elodie can’t stand the feeling that her life is supposed to end after her marriage, Gerard’s belief in happily ever after makes him passive and delusional, and the logical consequences of such a strange case of “meet-and-match” lead to the lovers with incompatible desires and personalities to fall apart. Logical consequences also evoked with Stephan, Pib’s owner, an illiterate miller son will have a hard time passing off as royal nobility.

# Magical things happening to royals naturally.

# “Do not stray from the path”. Pretty much unique to Ylfa’s fairytale, but still heavily discussed and played around (The important thing is that we stray together ; is it still straying from the path if a magical one opened in the woods).

# Bandlebridge is tricked by the old rule of “You must grant every demand of the magical being to get your reward”.

# Not a fairytale trope, but I love how the idea of “fireside stories” is reinvented with this magical silvery log that wards off the camp from “goblins and boggarts” as long as someone tells a story as it burns. Is it a real D&D item?

# The “dark forest” motif. Of course there is the “Black Wood” of Grimmweir… Though it is said to be but one of the several “primeval forests” filled with dangers on this continent. Averted with Rosamund’s ranger talents which turn a deadly travel into a pleasant stroll by episode 2.

# Some characters not having names in fairytales (The Stepmother lost her name, nobody can remember it).

# Emily asking to specify if it is “mother blood, stepmother blood, godmother blood, grandmother blood” is a good joke on how fairytale trolls and giants can somehow smell very specific types of blood “Smells like Christian blood”, “Smells like an Englishman’s blood”.

"Once upon a time". The answer to the total party kill that Ylfa gets from the Big Bad Wolf - "the end of the story" embodied revealing to her the "wicked beings" are all motivated by preventing the "turning of the pages" - and thus that the book isn't here to "restore" the world by returning into the past. It isn't about clinging to what once was, it is about moving forward and telling new tales - not returning to the happy ending as the Fairies obsess over but rather move forard to a new "Once upon a time..."

KINGDOMS AND HOW THEY FELL

# Rêverie. Sleeping Beauty’s kingdom (fitting name). Fell due to the Sleeping Beauty curse, as the briars overtook everything – because a thorny wilderness.

# Greenleigh. The Frog Prince’s kingdom. Fell due to a war as the Snow Queen’s armies invaded.

# Snowhold. The Snow Queen’s kingdom. Invaded Greenleigh for unknown reasons.

# Marienne. Puss in Boots’ kingdom. Fell to giants that crushed everything. It is unclear why, but given later episodes evoke the Ogre of Carabas as the giants’ little brother, it might be revenge. Also contains Amanti, Pinocchio and Gepetto’s village – so Marienne seems also to be the main country of Pinocchio’s adventures.

# The Lullaby Lands. As the name indicates, the place of all nursery rhymes. Not a kingdom as it has no central government and is more of a collection of autonomous communities – which already is a sign that it does not “fit” into the “Grimmweir” continent and was added to this fairytale world where everything is a kingdom. Pottingham is the village of Mother Goose and Ylfa – making it also the village of “Little Red Riding Hood”. Hasn’t much fell, but has known all sorts of horrifying manifestations (the Gander, the Wolf) ending in death (turned to skeleton, house and family blown away) plus recurring bad weather and persistent rain causing flooding.

# Jubilee = realm of Old King Cole. Fell to a war, though the details are unspecified. Given Jubilee was right next to Greenleigh it might have been the same war launched by the Snow Queen.

# Shoeberg = the Old Woman who Lived in a Shoe. A “festering boil” and one of the last thriving places in the Neverafter.

# Tapestry. Snow-White’s kingdom. Fell for unknown reason. See the Magic Mirror entry.

# Elegy. Cinderella’s realm. Also fell for unknown reasons – though we do know Cinderella’s hometown and the area around it “fell” due to the insanity and the spells of the undead Fairy Godmother. One of the symptoms of this kingdom falling is that the “courts of the sun and the moon” seem in disarray or conflict, leading to a very bizarre sky which is not in day nor night, and where the sun shines in a purple starry twilight (might be an Alice Through the Looking Glass reference – The Walrus and the Carpenter). Had a “burgeoning” middle-class of merchants, traders, artisans and craftsmen to which Cinderella’s father belonged, and the hunt of the prince with the shoe became the hot-gossip of neighboring royals (such as Gerard).

FAIRIES TALK

# So we have five confirmed fairies in this version of the Neverafter, plus a possible sixth one, and an ambiguous seventh. Rosamund had three good fairy godmothers – given the third one has a blue dress, and she asks about the undead fairy’s dress-color to identify her, we can assume going by the Disney code these fairies were the Red Fairy, Green Fairy and Blue Fairy. Plus the Wicked Fairy, dressed in black – who also was the Wicked Fairy involved in Pinocchio’s return-to-being-a-puppet as she came to just… kill all the fathers of Amanti I guess? She is clearly meant to be the archetypal “wicked fairy” (plus Disney’s Maleficent).

# The Fairy Godmother of Cinderella is stated to not be the same as the fairies of Rosamund’s story. Purple gown. Driven mad as Cinderella’s shard caused her to be stuck in a state “neither alive nor dead”, constantly bleeding out both blood and magic. Started turning every item she could meet into half-servants (and even before she was said to have gone on a spree of forcing people to fall in love and having animals turned into humans). Kept repeating Cinderella’s storyline to various degrees (help them win the “Mayfair queen”). The same way Rosamund’s fairies are a take on Disney’s fairies in “Sleeping Beauty”, this fairy is very clearly Disney’s Cinderella godmother (she even says her magical line) ; interestingly her having a crown on the head seems to be a nod to the enchantress/fairy of Disney’s Beauty and the Beast, especially since the description of her minions (such as a bouncing armoire) are very clearly reminiscent of the sentient furniture in Disney’s Beauty and the Beast. Episode 3 confirms that she was the fairy who turned Gerard into a frog when he was a little boy to make him “learn manners” as she thought he was “rude” – again reinforces my theory that she has “Disney’s enchantress from Beauty and the Beast” vibes.

# The Sugarplum Fairy was possibly the sixth fairy of this world. When Herr Drosselmeyer turned into text, there were references to “sugarplums” and “a fairy”. If he had stayed longer perhaps we would have met her.

# The ambiguous seventh is the Fairy with Turquoise Hair. She is present and involved in Pinocchio’s backstory, as I write this I can’t recall if she is meant to be the same as the “Blue Fairy”. If not this makes her the sixth or seventh fairy of this world.

# Fairy blood smells like cinnamon, spice, sparks and ambers.

# The Fairy Godmother’s comment that “Magic was never yours, it is ours”: fairy monopole on magic?

MORE CULTURAL REFERENCES

# The Gander is the inversion of the traditional Mother Goose imagery + a twisted take on the “Goose Laying Golden Eggs” motif + a reinvention of the trope of the genie granting you three wishes, but in a horrifying and/or deadly way. Literal embodiment of the Time of Shadows as we will later learn, and not just one spirit among it (as such parallels The Crooked Man from The Book of Lost Things – also an evil wish-granter). Tumblr user lostsometime evoked how the Gander using the verb “wander” while taunting Timothy might be a reference to “Goosey Goosey Gander”.

# It will later be confirmed but we know here (especially from how Ylfa gains the power to blow away with her breath people and houses) that the Wolf is both the one from Little Red Riding Hood and The Three Little Pigs (British fairytale, Joseph Jacobs).

# The town of Shoeberg and the family who runs it, led by a 107 matriarch, is from the nursery rhyme “There was an old woman who lived in a shoe”.

# What was the Chandling Caravan/Company named after? The Rub-a-Dub-Dub/Three Men in a Tub nursery rhyme, because “chandler” is candle-making… Or maybe the old British children song “Tommy kept a chandler’s shop”? Or maybe none of this and I’m reading too much. The leader of the Caravan is of course from “The Little Red Hen” story (American “fable”, from Mary Mapes Dodge).

# Old King Cole = the nursery rhyme of the same name.

# Herr Drosselmeyer (“magician, clockmaker and godfather”) and the characters surrounding him are, of course, from “The Nutcracker” ballet. The Nutcracker himself is evoked in various ways as someone Drosselmeyer pursues: at first he is presented as a “clockwork man” and one of the magical creations of Drosselmeyer that got away and run off on its own ; later he is revealed to be Drosselmeyer’s godson: “driven to rash behavior by grief” he is now working on a revenge that worries Drosselmeyer. As he dissolves into text, there are mentions of the Sugarplum Fairy and the Mice King, “or King of Rats with seven heads”. Is the alternation “Mice King/King of Rats” important? If this season is indeed inspired by Pratchett’s fairytale twists, then it might have leaned into something akin to “The Amazing Maurice”, where the myth of the “rat-king” was mixed with the Pied Piper of Hamelin. Maybe the same here? Herr Drosselmeyer also seems to have been more than just a Nutcracker character… Everybody pointed out that him driving around in a teapot pulled by a giant rabbit, and having a magic mirror in his collection, gave off strong Alice vibes (plus there is a clock with a cat symbol on it that stops time… Cheshire Cat and Mad Hatter?). I also thought about how it was insisted that he turned into an owl upon touching the book, and his comment that he was not a “kind man” before – given he seems to come from a world of fairytale ballet (and has strong link to birds, he captures the ostrich) maybe Von Rothbart from The Swan Lake? The character of Drosselmeyer and the Swan Lake plot had already been mixed in another fairytale-deconstruction work: the Princess Tutu anime. Also there is an insistence upon “winter time” in his “dissolving text”: maybe Snow Queen ties?

# The Magic Mirror was first suspected to be the one used by the Snow Queen – due to the low temperature around it, Zach even asked if it was snowing near the mirror. However it is revealed to be the mirror of the evil queen from Snow-White, answering questions if asked the rhyme (“Mirror, mirror, leaning against a wall”). Very likely created by the dwarves of the kingdom, since Tapestry is known outside of its fine crafting to be a place of magical items created through “spell-craft” and “enchantments” by dwarves. Also interestingly, the Mirror seems to encourage people to ambition (“do you want to be the wisest, richest, fairest in the land?”) and wants to be returned to “her”. Given it asked Pinocchio, it seems the Mirror wants to return to the “evil queen” (absorbed/covered by the Stepmother).

# Cinderella. Her story went wrong when she returned to investigate what her Stepmother did to her step-sisters and what happened to her. Fairy Godmother tried to force her to return to the castle and her prince and ignore all that. She stabbed her with a broken heel of her glass slipper, turned glass spear ; now is a warrior dressed in a “crystalline glass armor” and part of the “Sisters”. Her backstory is basically Disney’s plotline (the Fairy Godmother even uses the Disney Godmother magical line) but with elements of the Grimm version added (the sisters cutting off toe and heel).

# The Stepmother started out as Cinderella’s stepmother before… becoming all wrong. As we will learn later she became the “Stepmother” archetype, but so far all we know is that she used to be Cinderella’s human stepmother, did some foul magic by devouring her daughters (ogress motif), and then became this otherworldly spirit serving as Pinocchio’s stepmother. Plus, has ties (yet unknown) to Snow-White’s witch-queen of a stepmom. (silhouette in the door to check), and of course when Pinocchio uses her magic she manifests as a puppet-master using him as a puppet to enact her revenge against Cinderella’s Fairy Godmother (episode 3).

OTHER NOTES

# The list of threats for the Time of Shadows is given as “giants, witches, wizards, and creatures of the sea”. We meet all of them except for the wizards. Maybe it was something up Herr Drosselmeyer’s plotline?

# Time of Shadows is a cosmic/metaphorical storm AND a literal set of storms that cause bad weather everything (the pouring rains causing flooding in Pottingham is described by episode 1). Got huge King Lear vibes from this – especially since King Lear is THE fairytale-play of Shakespeare.

# The book is clearly about restoring the Neverafter into its peaceful, happy, “regular” state from before the Time of Shadows, however it is shown to work differently for the different types of stories it is confronted with. The book “activates” itself by nursery rhyme-characters (creates sounds as Old King Cole speaks, makes Timothy tingle upon hearing about the Old Woman who lived in a shoe) and ultimately absorbs them ; with fairy tales-characters it seems to mostly show them *where* their story got broken (Rosamund sees her flickering prince, as her prince did not come ; Pinocchio sees the island of toys which is a big part of the adventure ; Ylfa sees the wolf in the wood which is also the point of her story switching). With nursery rhyme characters it just restores them back to their original state and sends them back to a nursery rhyme world (makes sense as we learn later how the nursery rhyme universe was forced into the Neverafter) ; but it needs in the fairytale side of things an “early part of the world that was broken off” in the shape of specific items that it “hungers” for. All items reflecting famous stories, and tied to the Princesses, but warped in the Time of Shadows. Two are confirmed: Cinderella’s glass slipper, turned into a broken shard of glass then glass spear ; and Elodie’s golden ball, turned into golden mace in the times of war.

# Greenleigh has “wise women” in charge of medicine, tonic and other products of the sort. Grimm fairytale nod.

# Here “Carabas” was the title of the ogre-lord before Pib can in and made Stephan a Marquis.

# Gerard and Rosamund’s families are closely related: just a joke, but they are still cousins “three different times”.

# Trollsons are a thing in this world, a name for descendants of trolls (pun on “son”, as the Nordic suffix).

# Lord Bandlebridge’s comment, while a classist statement, confirms that witches, fairies and ogres have an habit of disguising themselves as beggars.

# We never get to know who the “young teenage girl” of the caravans was.

# We’ll see if the whole witch system in the Neverafter is clarified. Because we have your usual, random, human witch living in their tiny corner of the world and performing humble magic (Timothy Goose), and we know that later there are big, evil, powerful witches of multiversal scope. So… I’ll keep this for later episodes.

# Has Drosselmeyer’s giant rabbit’s name any signification? Eidelgrin? Probably not…

[be-the-glenn-to-my-maggie]

You know what, I've seen plenty of people throw their Spider origins tales into the ring so let me add my outlandish idea to the mix. For some reason in my mind I have created an elaborate au where the RDA are funded by some 1%-er back on Earth and create a test batch in order to perfect their recoms, only for the test batch they use random people's memories from throughout all of their memory research (no point in tampering with any important memories, after all) and these people eventually create their own sort of society in this cove and in order to remember parts of their human culture they put a heavy emphasis on, like, music and oral stories that range from classics like Lord of the Flies and Homer's Illiad and Odyssey to things like Peter Rabbit and the hungry hungry caterpillar and fairytales and basic nursery rhymes and other children's stories for the little kids to just fun folktales and whatnot to just everyday books we would read today (Twilight and Harry Potter, anyone?) and even poetry and comics. And the music is even more varied. Pop songs and lullabies and folk songs and hip-hop and way more, and as they get more adept at crafting they begin to try and make instruments from back on Earth (I just like to imagine the trail and error going on there) and eventually they get the hang of it.

I like to think all of these stories and songs and genres would just mesh together in the funnest ways possible (Peter Rabbit becomes Little Jack Rabbit, for example; this naughty rabbit who spends his time doing crazy shit like stealing a giant fox's golden goose and narrowly avoiding being beaten by a farmer when he's caught trying to steal his vegetables---instead of "Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack jump over the candle stick" it becomes "Jack is nimble, Jack is quick, Jack can dodge the Farmer's stick") and maybe even begin to evolve into their own new stories and whatnot with some Na'vi influence but that's an ask for another time because rn I want to get to the point lol. So a little before Spider is born (in this au Paz is one of these experimental driverless avatars, but unlike the others she remained stationed at Hell's Gate; and Quaritch has an avatar because I said so) Paz flees to these people and Spider is raised there and this brings me to the whole reason I've created this elaborate thing: so Jake is aware of these people and is on good terms with them after the war. They're a direct link to his past and much like him in the sense that they were once human and now walk in a 2nd body, so he often visits them when time permits it but never brings the kids along. Think of this group like Jake's one indulgence after doing his best to fully commit to the Na'vi way. He wants his kids raised in this way and knows he's already pushing it with allowing the scientists back at Hell's Gate re-opening Grace's school.

Now, all of this being said, Norm and the scientists are very interested in the society that has formed. It's not very often a scientist gets to witness the creation of a unique culture first-hand (and on an entirely different planet, no less) and they're curious to learn more about these people. The only problem is that Jake is really the only outsider they trust after all they experienced gaining their independence. Due to this Norm and Max invite some of these people's children to the school as a way to hopefully begin building a friendly relationship that will one day lead to them in turn being invited to their settlement.

This is how the Sullies meet Spider, who is the son of Paz, the lead "Priestess of Songs". Spider is next in line to carry on the entirety of all of the songs and stories both maintained and created by their people, and as such he is sort of the child who sets an example for all of the others and so him attending basically decides if any others will attend the school as well. I imagine this story to go one of two ways: nocorro or locorro, though either way I know he and Kiri will end up besties.

Will I end up writing this? Will I not? Idk tbh, inspiration is to me like a breeze is to summer. Short-lived and often weak. I just felt like telling someone and you're always super nice about this stuff. Anyways there's a lot more I feel should be said about my thoughts but I've already hit you with a lot so if you want to hear more just say the word lol, but I'll stop here.

What an interesting idea! I'm really glad you guys think I'm nice about your ideas, why wouldn't I be! They're always super cool! I love sharing ideas and working on the concepts and headcanons with you guys, shoot me whatever! I know I keep saying it, but we'll be able to go back and forth much faster in a couple weeks lol.

I am very intrigued by the idea of how fast this culture formed if Paz is one of the original test subjects. I know Grace herself has been on Pandora for like, thirty years, so it has been a while, but not long enough for them to forget songs and stories to the point they have melded yet. I'm also curious as to how they gained their independence! Also how did Paz become their leader if she joined later?

Nocorro is of course, fun in this because Neteyam and Spider are both young leaders. They can bond over that pressure and hopefully let loose a little together. It also creates an interesting tragedy, of who is going to sacrifice their place if they are going to be together forever. Damn nocorro always ends up a little tragic.

Locorro would be like, Lo'ak totally being annoyed by this perfect guy Spider coming in and being a perfect role model. Then idk, he tries to get him to crack that image by teasing him or trying to get him to laugh, annoying him until he breaks. Kiri and Neteyam are all "stop flirting with Spider" and Lo'ak is like 👀. Lol poor Spider, he's never had such a hard time being serious he wants to laugh and tease back and be equally as annoying. This is his kryptonite.

[silverglimse-productions]

Just started watching Neverafter (I’m on the second episode) and while I think Ally’s character seems fun, I feel like I’m not really connecting with Mother Goose like I am with the rest of the cast, and I think the reason why just hit me

I’m not a native English speaker, so I didn’t grow up with those nursery rhymes that gets referenced (I only know Jack be nimble, Jack be quick from a Set It Off song, and didn’t know there was more to it than that), so I feel like I’m on the backfoot more with his story than with the others, because I actually grew up with translated versions of those fairytales (other than PiB, who I genuinely thought Shrek had made up lmao)

I’m excited to see if it turns out that do know some rhymes down the line though

[rose-tea-and-strawberries]

HoM AU. Won't it be confusing since there's multiple Jacks in this AU? Jack Howl, Jack Skellington.

Also, love your AU and how insane it is.

Well, Jack is a very common name so it's used a lot in stories and common phrases: 'Jack of all trades', 'all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy' and others that I can't really think of right now. I'm a hundred percent sure that Yuu uses those phrases just to mess with him - like she could be talking about someone else and he'll pout, his ears will go down a bit and he'll whisper "but I'm Jack"

I actually remember this one time when I was babysitting my little cousin and he was watching this show that had these kids that were fairytale and nursery rhyme characters and there was this episode where Jack from 'Jack be nimble, Jack be quick' was trying to make a 'Jack Club' with Jack from 'Jack and Jill' and Jack from 'Jack and the Beanstalk'

How many times can I write Jack before it doesn't even look like a word anymore.

Also I don't know if anyone ever watched this show called Super Why! (the main character is the son of Jack from Jack and the beanstalk and his best friends are the daughter of the princess from princess and the pea, the daughter of little red riding hood and the son of one of the three little pigs) but I was obsessed with it when I was a child and I still to this day think that it's better than Ever After High but that might be the nostalgia talking.

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okay folks i spent last night on the dropout discord not sleeping until i finished Puzzling the spells from timothy’s book so here’s what we’ve got:

jump from jack be nimble for obvious reasons

expeditious retreat from cinderella because she ran away from the ball and i know everyone thinks its jack and the beanstalk but as far as i, a fool, can tell, jack and the beanstalk never went into the book

lesser restoration from old king cole because brennan literally states that the old king cole rhyme grants tim the spell lesser restoration

calm emotions from the unfinished hey diddle diddle nursery rhyme (the cow jumped over the moon, the dish ran away with the spoon) i guess mostly just because of process of elimination—the spider from little miss muffet went to scheherezade, sleeping beauty wasn’t in the book yet i don’t think, drosselmeyer didn’t get written in the book he just disappeared

and then itsy bitsy spider granted a spell that was too high level—timothy is a level 4 bard and therefore knows up to level 2 spells. web (the most spidery spell) and spider climb (which would make some sense for itsy bitsy) are both level 2 spells, so it can’t be either of those. i think it’s probably water walk, a level 3 spell, because for me at least, that makes more sense than some kind of weather control like people were theorizing

also a lot of people were saying silvery barbs came from senator the ram but senator is first of all, part of king cole’s story, and second of all, tim had silvery barbs before they even met senator (he tried to use it when one of bandlebridge’s guys was yelling at pinocchio), and also silvery barbs wasnt one of the ones ally listed as tim getting them from the book

[eggcorn]

Of course I can't find it now, but I remember Mike Birbiglia having a joke about being described as a "nimble-minded comedian" in a review, being unsure what "nimble" meant, and having to recall the "jack be nimble" nursery rhyme. He concluded that it must mean fast, because you wouldn't say "jack be slow, jack be quick."

[its7amihaventslepthelp]

Finally got around to watching the new puss in boots movie and my god was that a wild ride. i honest to god did not really care about anyone else except for the bears goldie and jack.. im sorry the jack simps they pulled me in with their claws now i am one with them

and so i saw all these people drawing fan ocs with him. and i thought. hey. why not do the same? havent really seen any guy character shipped with him either so bada bing bada boom! now some info on this guy, his silly little name is jack b nimble! based off that one super short poem about a boy jumping over a candlestick. it was somehow one of the only fairytale poems i remember so i thought itd be a perfect chance! I basically just took the few lines of texts for this guy and put it on overdrive. now hes an acrobat where he does entire shows of leaping over pits of fire for whatever reason

definitely gonna try and tweak his design more since currently he just looks like every single guy i draw already

ty for reading my evil thoughts and characterizations of hundred year old nursery rhymes bless

[agent-gumi-dragon]

Least favorite fairy tale/nursery rhyme/fucked-up-media-allegedly-oriented-towards-children?

Oh man,that's hard to pick. I don't like what Disney did to pocahontas since they took a real kidnapping and turned it into a romance

Also don't like "jack be nimble, jack be quick, jack jumped over the candlestick" because, like, what's even the point of this one

[stabberghost]

My brain. I see one image of this Jack fellow and my brain immediately just makes up a fun cocncept for this character that doesn't exist. "B. Happys brother Jack? 🤔 -> Jack B. Happy. -> reminds me of that nursery rhyme "Jack be Nimble" ->Jack B. Nimble -> Funky little edgey man in cape torments you at night by speaking strictly in rhymes and ruining every nursery rhyme you've know by giving it some kind of fucked up dark meaning regardless of if the meaning is actually the true meaning or not. I mean look at him he's in a cape and speaking in rhymes how could he know know his stuff. In reality He's making this nonsense up off the dome and is just there to fuck with you. nothing more nothing less." What am I meant to do with this? 😭

This is the most sickest fucking concept ever holy shit his name is jack b. nimble now thank you

You guys are so close to making me want to make jack an actual character now what the hell

[takaraphoenix]

about mother goose- as someone who grew up in the usa, i think like 99% of americans would recognize/be able to recite mother goose poems/rhymes. when i saw that poll i couldn’t really remember which nursery rhymes were mother goose and when i looked it up i was able the whole of the rhyme by just looking at the title. even if they said they were only vaguely familiar/didn’t know mother goose most americans (i can’t speak for other english speaking countries) could recite baa baa black sheep, humpty dumpty, jack and jill, hot cross buns, how much wood could a woodchuck chuck, jack be nimble, hickory dickory dock, hey diddle diddle, hush little baby, and it’s raining it’s pouring

Having been informed that Humpty Dumpty is from this is actually wild to me because HIM I do know - I mean, that annoying egg was in the first Puss in Boots movie, after all. And Americans do love to put the talking egg into things.

Love how the majority of the things you list there sound more like you're having a stroke though. Hickory dickory dock hey diddle diddle. Okay. Sure. xD

Though, me being completely unfamiliar with this concept, I somewhat assumed there was like - some kind of common thread or something. The Mother Goose figure being more of a link between these. Or whatever. I don't know. So I assumed people would know what nursery rhyme is from this when I just throw that name at them, or at least vaguely. xD"