#Jämthund

[northernvikinggirl]

Just wanted to share a picture of me and my babies ❤️

From left:

Erke, Balto, Alva, Nero, Max and Tyr 🥰

[locallostsoul]

cuddly

[nessutus]

[butchshepherd]

[bones-n-bookles]

Photos from Охотничьи Лайки (Hunting Laiki) by А. Т. Войлочников (A. T. Voylochnikov) and С. Д. Войлочникова (S. D. Voylochnikova).

Norwegian Elkhound and Jämthund

[zaryathelaika]

Wouldn't know. They are in the same breed groups according to United Kennel Club and Fédération Cynologique Internationale. Laikas are not recognized by kennel clubs in UK, Canada, New Zealand and Australia or by American Kennel Club. Are you talking about this study?

Subclade d1 haplotypes were found only in breeds from Scandinavia, except for one lineage each in East Siberian and Russo-European Laika (Table 1; Table S2). A high proportion of individuals having d1 was found for some common Scandinavian breeds: Lapponian Herder (75% of investigated lineages), Jämthund (74%), Finnish Lapphund (65%), and Norwegian Elkhound (grey) (46%) and some breeds supposedly founded by few lineages had exclusively d1 haplotypes (100%). Notably, several common Scandinavian/Nordic breeds, e.g. Swedish Vallhund and Norwegian Buhund, did not have d1 haplotypes. Thus, subclade d1 was found at high frequency in all Sami-related breeds (Finnish and Swedish Lapphund, and Lapponian Herder) and in some North Scandinavian hunting dog breeds.

The fact that the d1 haplotypes were almost exclusively found among breeds from Northern Scandinavia and Finland strongly indicates that this haplotype originated in this region. Other datasets do not give further clues: Neolithic dog samples from southern Sweden (Malmström et al. 2008) carried only haplogroups A and C, but the samples were from outside the historical distribution of the breeds carrying d1, and among wolves no haplotypes similar to subclade d1 were found among extant populations across Eurasia, including Scandinavia (Aggarwal et al. 2007) or historical Scandinavian samples (Flagstad et al. 2003).

— Klütsch, C. F. C., Eija H. Seppälä, Tove Fall, Mathias Uhlén, Åke Hedhammar, Hannes Lohi, and Peter Savolainen. "Regional occurrence, high frequency but low diversity of mitochondrial DNA haplogroup d1 suggests a recent dog‐wolf hybridization in Scandinavia." Animal Genetics 42, no. 1 (2011): 100-103. Retrieved April 14, 2023. Archived from the original on April 14, 2023 via archive.today. That one is quite old and is based on mitochondrial DNA. But yes, at the time in 2011, Fennoscandian dogs were reported to have different mtDNA than Russian and Siberian dogs.

There is another one from 2018 which uses genome-wide single nucleotide polymorphism sequencing. Not going to post the whole thing, but laikas are mentioned 43 times in that paper. Will attach some diagrams. The one with SNP sequencing is more clear on relatedness between breeds and geographical splits.

Please note there is an acknowledgement of limitations on data available before taking anything as gospel:

Due to small numbers of Russian-European Laika and West-Siberian Laika, the STRUCTURE results regarding these breeds should be treated with caution, they are included here only for completeness. Both East- and West-Siberian Laika are highly popular hunting dogs throughout the vast Russian Federation and it will be interesting to see if our preliminary results reflect true population subdivision, e.g. due to geography. Lapphund subdivision is also interesting and it might be worthwhile to see if this is caused by differential breeding regimes for working vs. show dog lineages.

— Pohjoismäki, Jaakko LO, Sara Lampi, Jonas Donner, and Heidi Anderson. "Origins and wanderings of the Finnish hunting spitzes." PloS ONE 13, no. 6 (2018): e0199992. Retrieved April 14, 2023. Archived from the original on August 20, 2022 via Wayback Machine. And that is a fair disclosure to list in the paper. West Siberian Laikas have declined in popularity in Nordic countries since 1970s and 1980s because most hunters want moose-specialists [archived] (Norwegian) and some of the multi-game or small-game hunting attributes of laikas were diluted by show fanciers [archived] (Finnish). That's why there are not so many dogs to sample from in Finland. (If you cannot use a machine-translator to read that Finnish website, then there is a defunct kennel website, retrieved through Wayback Machine, which has a similar sentiment written in English.) More individuals need to be sampled to assess relatedness between breeds. Conflict of interest: my previous male dog is listed as a stud in Metsästysseura Länsisiperianlaikat ry's directory. Also, used to be Facebook mutual with Eirik Krogstad, who owns the kennel website.

Weird question, but is there a reason aside from historical accidence of being imported into Anglophone cultures in numbers so much earlier that Norwegian Elkhound aren't traditionally classed with laikas? @losech , do you maybe happen to know?

[bucket-of-amethyst]

If you’d want a Swedish dog breed for Iskall, I’d recommend either a Drever (short legged hunting dog, very cute) or a Jämthund (A huge softy with the fam). Coming from a fellow Swede, they’re the best breeds we got to offer

Ooo thank u! I'm not looking for a swedish breed in specific! Should made that clearer earlier jdjkskd But if it fits it fits! I just don't wanna back myself into a limited corner if there's another breed from somewhere else who would be a good match!

(Checked swedish vallhound in the previous ask!)

Drever i feel almost the same as the vallhound.. I think i do like this one a bit better looks wise tho! I realized I'm trying to avoid too many dogs with that husky/wolf look (category which Ren and Etho already fit, and Keralis who is gonna be a husky mix) because some variety is fun!

The thing is that I would like to consider a taller dog for Iskall first! Just feel in my gut dkdkj but i am taking notes!!!! It cute like a squished beagle!

Jämthund gets the wolf/husky look alike explanation above too

[saikkuart]

Some quick and simple reference sheets for my dog characters who act as mounts to my other characters! To Avery, Nathan, Roy and Neena respectively. I still need to make at least three more of these to finish the set.

For full disclosure these are mostly traced from reference photos just to get the proportions and shapes and such correct, so I can just refer to these images when drawing them in the future without going into wild reference hunt every time.

Dog talk under the cut.

Avery's dog is kind and protective of everyone she considers as part of her pack but otherwise doesn’t like to socialize with others and prefers her or Avery’s company only. She’s mostly calm and collected but is always ready to help and protect Avery and her friends. Doesn’t mind others touching her but she’ll let you know when enough’s enough. Very alert and conscious of her surroundings. She has lived the nomad life with Avery her whole life and has seen her share of fights. She’s inspired by Jämthunds, Saarloos Wolfdogs and sled dogs.

Nathan's dog is some sort of an army breeding project reject. They’ve been in each others lives since it was a puppy and it’s very loyal to Nathan and doesn’t let anyone else touch it unless Nathan tells it to. Constantly keeps an eye on Nathan and is always ready to do anything he says. Has seen many battles and doesn’t hesitate to protect Nathan with it’s life. It’s inspired mostly by wolves and wolfdogs.

Roy and their dog have been together since Roy ran away from home to join the nomads as a teen. She’s seen a bunch of fights too, since Roy was good at getting into them. She might look scary and serious, but when she’s feeling safe she loves attention and rubs from anyone who is just willing to give them, so obviously she doesn’t mind others touching her. She’s very playful too, but she’s oftentimes too rough for other dogs’ liking. She doesn’t like sudden moves or loud noises though and might response aggressively to them. In battles she’s fierce and mostly only protects Roy and herself. Her skin is thick and loose so she can take a lot of punishment before it actually hurts or hinders her. Inspired mostly by various livestock guardian dogs.

Neena's dog is just a pet dog and has never seen a fight in it’s life. Yet :) It’s generally kind and friendly but prefers Neena’s company the most and likes to be close to her most of the time. It doesn’t mind others touching it, and it’ll just move away if it starts feeling uncomfortable. Once they start living the nomad life together with Neena, it’s very curious about everything but also on the edge more. When it comes to fighting, it might not have the skills or the training for it but protecting Neena comes naturally like an instinct. Trusts more in it’s speed and nimbleness in those situations; it’s the fastest one of all of the other canines here. Inspired by White Swiss Shepherd Dogs.

[swedebeast]

Top 5 fictional books. Top 5 drinks. Top 5 dog breeds.

Alrighty let's see here. War of the Worlds, Canticle of Leibowitz, Fatherland, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, A World of Difference.

Coca Cola, Cuba Libre, Homemade Eggnog, Cider, Cosmopolitan.

Norwegian Elkhound, Swedish Jämthund, Great Dane, Irish Wolfhound, Labrador.

[roakkaliha]

a karelian bear dog x jämthund mix sounds like a nightmare to own tho. that thing fears nothing and wants to kill everything.

[identifying-dogs-in-posts]

jämthund

Ha a lélek vándorlásában hiszünk, el kell fogadnunk hogy ha zenészek voltunk, zenészek maradunk akkor is, ha négy lábbal újraszületünk..

[northernvikinggirl]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY to my beloved Balto and Nero. They turn 3 today and I just realized how fast time goes by!

Photo by me: Linnea Sandbakk

[locallostsoul]

Happy Birthday, Aska! (01/05)

She' been taking a closer look at that smell for one year now! 🐺

[nessutus]

[iicraft505]

Jämthund (Swedish elkhound)

[zaryathelaika]

You're more likely to find hunters/breeders who health-test in Nordic countries.

Here are the databases:

Dogweb (Norwegian)

Hitta Älghund (Swedish)

Hunddata (Swedish)

KoiraNet (Finnish)

Koiratietokanta (Finnish)

Metsastyspystykorvat (Finnish)

People who don't health-test their dogs are not listed on the breed clubs' classifieds (again, referring to Nordic countries). So, there's that as well.

Here are most of the relevant documents:

Suomen Laikajärjestö ry. Länsisiperianlaikan Rotukohtainen Jalostuksen Tavoiteohjelma 2013 - 2017 [trans. “West Siberian Laika Breeding Strategy 2013 - 2017”, PDF, 842 kb] (Finnish). Retrieved January 18, 2023. Archived from the original on January 18, 2023 via Wayback Machine.

Suomen Laikajärjestö ry. Länsisiperianlaikan Rotukohtainen Jalostuksen Tavoiteohjelma 2018 - 2022 [trans. “West Siberian Laika Breeding Strategy 2018 - 2022”, PDF, 771 kb] (Finnish). Retrieved January 18, 2023. Archived from the original on February 9, 2023 via Wayback Machine.

Svenska Laikaklubben. Avelsstrategi för Västsibirisk Laika [trans. “Breeding Strategy for West Siberian Laika”, PDF, 344 kb] (Swedish). Retrieved January 18, 2023. Archived from the original on April 23, 2022 via Wayback Machine.

Haven't been able to recover the SLJ's 2008 - 2012 program from the Wayback Machine yet. Will update (on Github) if I find it.

Can link to some more health programs since Norrbottenspets, Finnish Spitz, East Siberian Laika, Russo-European Laika and Karelian Bear Dog group genetically together with West Siberian Laika. I believe members of breed clubs can access Agria's database on insured dogs as well. Agria's information was why we went with Pavel (the previous West Siberian Laika) instead of a Jämthund or a Finnish Spitz. But was only able to access that because someone from a breed club accessed the information for me. Although partner at the time also wanted an East Siberian Laika. But yeah, @losech is correct.

In my experience, it’s been a bit difficult to find hunting dogs bred by breeders who actually health test and don’t just rely on “they’re vet checked” or “they work well into old age”. Are there WSL breeders who do OFA testing and such or is that just a compromise one has to make like it is for some other breeds?

I had the only dna and ofa tested litter in the country. Unfortunately I have no current breeding plans 🙃

I got Ember's breeder to start using Embark on his dogs, so that's something at least. But in general, people don't health test WSL. Finding kennels overseas who do it and will export is difficult as well.