#It's not my ship I'm a Romione stan

[ramblings-of-a-mad-cat]

Given your history with the forbidden ship, what are your thoughts on krumione?

It took me a second to decipher the reference. Anon, you can say the name. Hayley isn’t a dirty word 🤣 just a questionable ship. Which is more or less the case for my man Victor Krum. The fandom is somewhat divided here. There are those who praise him as an underrated gentleman, and those who shame him as a creep who targets underage girls. 

Honestly, both sides are exaggerating. 

Krum wasn’t some unsung hero. He was a lonely, awkward guy with fame, but no friends. He was repeatedly described as being surly. He had feelings for Hermione, indicating that he appreciated her intelligence (and probably how different she was from his typical fan-girls) but so what? Just because Hermione didn’t get a lot of attention from boys, it doesn’t make Krum noble for having noticed her. 

Krum is a guy who was, I think, deeply affected by attending a school like Durmstrang. It didn’t turn him into a dark wizard or a bigot (likely because of the personal losses his family suffered at the hands of the Grindelwald regime) but it does seem to have affected his social skills in a negative capacity, and becoming a celebrity certainly didn’t help. Nor did becoming a Quidditch player. I’ve talked about this before but Quidditch players tend to be obsessive and throw everything else away, including basic morality, just so they can win. The Wronski Feint may be cool when you’re a kid reading the book for the first time, but in adulthood, it really hits me just how screwed up that actually was. He basically tried to kill the other Seeker. It’s not his fault that such a move is considered acceptable, but he didn’t have to use it. 

In general, I think fame hampered Krum’s ability to make friends, and rendered him unable to trust that people weren’t just trying to cozy up to him because he was famous. Unfortunately, this includes people like Ron, he’s a perfect example. Krum was a socially awkward, grumpy young man who probably did want to make friends and find love, but he had no clue how to do this, especially not in a school full of strangers in another country. (It’s no wonder he invited Hermione to come visit him.) Hell, we don’t know why he made the journey to Hogwarts in the first place. Was it his decision? Did he even want to enter the Triwizard Tournament? Or was he pressured into it by Karkaroff? 

I should elaborate on my feelings a bit more. I am by no means condemning Viktor Krum, because he may be strange and socially awkward, but that’s not a crime. Questionable Seeker plays notwithstanding, Krum doesn’t really do anything wrong during the story. It’s not his fault, for instance, that Karkaroff shamelessly favorited him, or that Crouch Jr used him as a puppet. If anything, his aggressive reaction to a perceived Grindelwald supporter is a mark in his favor. Krum is the sort of guy who has punched Nazis and gladly would again. Can’t really fault him for that. 

But what about the erumpent in the room, what about his interest in Hermione? 

Well, like I said, I don’t believe he ever does anything out of line. Is it creepy? I think that depends on the context. Is the age gap a little suspect? I mean, yeah, it is. But it’s hardly impossible for a guy Krum’s age to date a girl Hermione’s age without being a predator. To pretend otherwise is silly. That leaves the question - is Krum written to be a predator? The answer is no. I hardly think asking a girl to attend a chaperoned dance is predatory behavior. It’s implied that they dated a while afterward, that Hermione (probably) kissed him. But hey, if they hit it off at The Yule Ball, why can’t they see where that goes? Hermione being Krum’s Hostage in the Second Task is…weird, I’ll admit. Particularly since the judges were willing and able to procure family members from outside the country. But then again, is it not equally weird for Cedric’s Hostage to be Cho? They hadn’t been dating that long. Frankly, I think this just proves how lonely Krum is. 

I’ve seen posts that say he “isolated” and “threatened” Harry when he saw him as a romantic rival. Which seems like a major reach. All he did was ask for an explanation. There was no indication that he meant harm. And when Harry clarified, Krum changed his tune and acted more friendly. Again, he and Hermione were basically dating at this point. It’s not unreasonable for Krum to be angry if he thought Hermione was cheating on him. Overall, he should have confronted her instead of Harry, but that’s a different issue. My point being, it was not predatory behavior. No more than his being irritated that Hermione wasn't paying attention to him after the Second Task. He was already insecure about Harry, and he was the one who had "saved" Hermione, of course he wanted to be the center of attention in that moment.

Was it creepy for Krum to invite Hermione to visit him in Bulgaria? I’ve seen that sentiment expressed, that he was trying to “isolate her” (there’s that word again) in a country where he would be the only person she knew, and that this was a red flag. I’d just call it an inevitable reality. One can assume Krum would want to introduce her to his family and such. But until then, yeah, she wouldn’t know anyone else from there. So? Furthermore, there’s no indication that her parents weren’t invited too. Either way, Hermione would need their consent and there’s no doubt Krum knew she would. Like, we have no evidence that he was trying to do this behind their backs. In general, Harry himself regularly stayed with the Weasleys during school breaks, for weeks at a time. This could simply be a traditional aspect of wizarding culture. Something that happens all the time. Not some grand evil plan. In any case, Hermione rejected the offer to visit Bulgaria (or her parents said no, we can’t be sure) and I think we can safely assume that Krum took this with grace, as he and Hermione remain pen pals after the fact and are on good terms.

I’ve made this point before when defending Hayley, but I dislike how people express distaste for Krumione by describing it as an “adult man” pursuing a “15 year old girl.” Because referring to Krum as such in this context and ignoring that he’s only 18 himself just obscures the situation. It makes it sound a lot worse than it actually is, and it almost seems like people are doing this on purpose. Krum may be an adult in this case and Hermione may be a child, but that doesn't mean they're all that far apart. Again, Cedric and Cho also get together after the Yule Ball, and by Wizard standards, Cedric was an adult too. We're still dealing with a romance between two teenagers. Yes, an 18 year old is more mature than a 15 year old. But 18 year olds are still pretty damn stupid. I know. I’ve been there. 

But what about the time that Krum, as a 21 year old man, was eyeing up Ginny, a 16 year old girl? That alone kills any defense he might have, right? It creates a pattern and removes the benefit of the doubt from the equation…right? Well, it would, except that Krum doesn’t actually know her age, how could he isn’t actually interested in Ginny. He doesn’t check her out until after Harry describes Ron and Hermione as a couple. Up until that point, he had eyes only for her. It seems like pretty clear subtext. Krum just wants to find a pretty girl to dance with and make Hermione jealous. Which is immature. But again, acting immature is not the same thing as acting predatory. He backs off when Harry tells him that Ginny has a boyfriend, I think we can assume he would likewise have backed off if Harry had told him "She's 16, dude."

Altogether, Hermione was Krum’s first love. He seems to have idealized their relationship and never really gotten over her. While this probably isn’t the healthiest situation for him, I still wouldn’t call him a creep. Krum respects Hermione’s boundaries and her autonomy. he is never shown pushing her into anything she doesn’t want, and Hermione doesn’t appear to be the least bit negatively affected by his residual feelings for her. She just carries on with her life. She shoots him down, and while he doesn’t exactly move on, he also doesn’t make it her problem. The worst you can say about Krum is that he's maybe a little pathetic. But I don't see any red flags here, at least not of that sort.

[thegirlwhowrites642]

The idea that Harry and Ginny aren't truly peers or equals was started by select Romione stans that always try to uplift their ship and disparage Hinny. Some Romione stans think only Ron and Hermione truly respect each other and are a good match. Remind me which ship contains physical violence though? 🙃 Nothing says respect like physical violence...

NOPE.

You are not gonna get me into that.

There's already someone who passive-aggressively asked me what's the difference between Ginny hexing Smith, and Hermione sending the canaries to attack Ron and I'm already having to force myself to not answer that because I have no idea how to do it in a way that's not gonna have a bunch of people whine (including my own personal stalker who is supposed to be blocked but keeps making content about insulting me).

I do care though about saying that despite some things that maybe I'll bring up when I'll officially decide to get digitally murdered, romione is a good ship. It's a good choice structurally for the story and it's a good match of personalities. Their biggest problem was Rowling's inability to separate the characters from whom they were inspired and I've already said too much.

I SHIP ROMIONE OK? Please let's not turn this into a thing as usual.

[hollyparker]

✎﹏﹏𝙸𝚗𝚝𝚛𝚘﹏﹏

➺ Name: Holly or Kiara (not my real name, though I wish either was)

➺ Birthday: August 7th

➺ Hobbies: Just reading (I'm boring, I know)...

➺ Zodiac: Leo (idk much about this, only about me)

➺ Personality Type(s): INFP-T or ISFP-T

➺ I really like Greek Mythology

➺ Multifandom (though, at the moment, I'm hyperfixated on HP)

➺ I'm pretty open-minded and like trying new things

➺ I love art, especially fanart! Artists have my heart forever and ever; they’re gifts sent from the heavens. Here to bless us with their glorious minds and talent 😚❤️✨

➺ I love genderbent or genderbending characters (i.e., fem!Harry, fem!Percy, etc), though there's never really any good fics about them. It's a struggle out here :c

➺ I'm a canon and fanon follower

➺ I’m a Golden Trio fan & Marauders fan (specifically the Potters).

➺ I actually really love Jily, Hinny, Romione

➺ Characters I stan: Harry (but I am the chosen one) Potter, Perseus (I didn't want to be a half-blood) Jackson, Sakura Haruno, Bonnie Bennett, Hope Mikaelson, Jean Grey, Wanda Maximoff, Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Nightwing, Matt Murdock, Midoriya Izuku, Yuji Itadori. There's more, but I can't remember at the moment.

➺ I am a hardcore women lover (platonically, I think...), okay? So if you're misogynistic, then please stay far far away from me. Thank you!

Fun (or not so fun) Fact About Me ↓↓

• I'm very introverted and VERY indecisive (and I mean this for everything). I cannot, for the life of me, decide on what exactly I like or don't like. Especially in fandoms, for like ships and characters. Some days I'll hate a character (or a ship), then the very next day I'm swinging my feet, giggling, and jumping up and down reading a really good fic on them/with them or I saw some really good fanart or character analysis of them. Like, I'm not on anyone's (or maybe I'm on everyone's) side. I'm just in the middle, listening to everyone, being swayed back and fourth. I'm basically a double agent or spy (Severus Snape type beat, honestly). • I have the worse memory ever, and I really mean the worst. I not only can’t recall things from my childhood but I can’t recall what I did the previous day. I forget things so fast. I’m always forgetting if I’ve eaten or not.

My Other Socials & Stuff ↓↓

My (maybe) Controversial Takes ↓↓

➺ I'm anti Jegulus. Do I like Regulus? eh, it depends. Do I like James? Of course! 100% but do I like them together? ab-so-lute-ly not, hard pass. This ship is the one ship I can't ever get behind (but if I see some really good fanart of them and I really like it, you best believe I’m going to heart it or at least comment on it because, while I don’t ship it and never will, you, my brilliant, beautiful artist, did a fantastic job, and I hope to see more of your work.)

➺ While I love James Potter, I do in fact believe he was a bully because he was (as was Sirius). You will not and cannot change my mind on this. He was not all sunshine and rainbows and perfect. He was an annoying teenage boy who did annoying teenage boy things. He’s human, he’s imperfect, and he has flaws. Let them show and free my boy from the shackles of Fanon.

➺ I’m not at all a Wolfstar shipper (though I can tolerate it). I honestly think Prongsfoot is way better than it, whether it's platonic and/or romantic

➺ I don’t mind Blackinnon (Sirius/Mckinnon), Remadora (Remus/Nymphadora), Prongsfoot, Rarry/Ronarry, Harmione, Drarry, Dramione, Scorbus, Scorose

➺ I am neither a Snape stan nor a hater, but I do think he’s an interesting character or could be if people gave him a chance and explored him more instead of scrapping him and jumping straight to the next DE (death eater) they deem "good.”

➺ I honestly find the Death Eaters (or Knights of Walpurgis) and the Volturi (from Twilight) to be interesting. Though, I obviously don’t support or condone what they do/have done

➺ I actually enjoy “HP and the Cursed Child”, though it’s not because of the plot/story, it’s because I love Albus Severus Potter and Scorpius Malfoy. Also, the fact that Harry kept the Parseltongue.

Disclaimer (of sorts) ↓↓

• I'm not bashing or hating on anyone that likes different things from me, and it's never my intention too. If you happen to like a character/characters or a ship/ships that I typically wouldn't, then that's fine! there's nothing wrong with that, like what you want and who you want. Though, the one thing I can't really stand are those hypocrites that hate on/bash people for liking a character that they don't like because "they've done awful things or are an awful person" (which, ok, valid), but than turn around and like other characters that have done the same things or worse. Like....what? what gives you the right to hate on people for liking a character that has done bad things, when the character(s) that you like aren't/isn't any better? There is no high ground here, you're not special or better than anyone else. If anything all of your characters are bad people, so neither of you can really talk about the other, literally hop off. I would like to add that you don't have to like a character, if you don't like them than you don't like them, that's okay. It is only when you are actively bullying and downgrading real life people for a character that they like, that it's problematic. • Shipping isn’t my main focus. I’m here to have fun and focused more on the actual story, the friendships, adventures, and so on. So don’t come on here starting ship wars and demanding I tell you why I ship or don’t ship certain things.

• The most important thing to remember is if you don't like a character, ship, or anything that I happen to like and you take time out of your day to come at me for it. I want you to know that I read your comment, then I looked left, looked right, looked up, looked down, reread your comment, and still couldn’t find where I was supposed to care. I.do.not.care. Don't like it? Leave my page; it’s that simple! XOXO, I hope you have a blessed (or a better) day!

[arataka-reigen]

I was tagged by @nikaidou-stan @vikingpoteto and @sunliv in the same tag game lol. Thank you so much for tagging me and I'm sorry it took me this long to answer you all. Thank you for your patience <3

3 ships: loid forger x yor forger (i hope this obsession lasts a long time because they are so good for my heart), sam x frodo (idk if i ship them romantically or not i just know that they love each other so so so much and they deserve some rest), howl x sophie (the ultimate cringefail couple who spend half the time fighting and the other half flirting)

first ship: it was definitely romione, i used to go to work with my mom just to use one of the computers there to look up pictures of them on google. a close second was percabeth.

last song: last hope by paramore (live in chicago) has been on loop for 4 days now and i cant listen to anything else

last movie: the adam project (really good movie, i went in blind just to see walker scobells acting and i fell in love with the whole thing)

currently reading: i recently started "a hora da estrela" by clarice lispector but today i got a physical copy of "pollyanna" by eleanor h. porter so i might switch to this one. i'm also reading witch hat atelier.

currently watching: impatiently waiting for the next season of spy x family and thinking about starting buddy daddies or derry girls s3 soon

currently consuming: banana

currently craving: spy x family chapter 74 (istg i check the site everyday)

No pressure tags: @jacuzziwaters @nananananananabatfam @lookforanewangle @stephgingrich @desperatecheesecubes @femmevenimeuse and anyone who feels like doing it <3

[sky-is-the-limit]

What do you ship from HP?

I'm a Marauders stan so from the Golden Trio era not much, I like Hedric and Romione tho.

Now Marauders era,

WOLFSTAR, above all. The best ship, soulmates, my everything, I can't even-

Jily!!!!!!!!!!!! James was made for Lily and Lily for James and nothing else matters.

Dorlene, married, my babies, the only Gryffindor x Slytherin that matters.

BARTYLUS, don't get me started. Best friends to lovers to I wish I could've saved you I wanna cry

(I like the thought of Mary and Evan Rosier during Hogwarts but idk if that's a thing, kinda enemies to lovers but more subtle)

[asongofstarkandtargaryen]

Des. 20 + . ENFP. Lover of anything fantasy and history related.

Fandoms I'm currently in: Asoiaf, DC Comics, Titans, Wheel of Time, The Witcher, Stranger Things, The Walking Dead,

More info about my fandom likes/dislikes below:

_Game of Thrones/ASOIAF_

I hate the tv series ending (Justice for Dany!)

I stan Jon Snow, Arya Stark and Daenerys Targaryen .

I also like: Bran Stark, Tyrion Lannister, Cersei Lannister and actually most of the characters (but in some cases I prefer their book version and in other cases their tv one) .

My ships: Jonerys, Gendrya. I also like Jaime x Brienne x Tormund, Loras x Renly, Tyrion x Sansa (in the tv series) , Theon x Jeyne  and Jon x Alys Karstark (in the books) .

I don’t like: Littlefinger, Littlefinger x Sansa, Jon x Sansa.

Also I dislike show! Sansa and I’m irritated by most of her fandom.

_DC COMICS_

Batfam FTW!!

I love all its members (and yes Barbara, Stephanie and Duke are included) and honestly if you dislike any of them better not talk to me about it cause I'll defend all of them to death.

I also love Donna Troy, Roy Harper, Starfire, Raven and Black Canary.

But since I'm lazy I only follow the Nightwing comic right now.

When it comes to DC TITANS (tv series)  I stan both Kory and Babs (they are queens) and I love Donna, Dick and Rachel.

Ships: Dickbabs (otp), Batcat, Wonderbat, Brutalia, Dickkory, Joyfire, Oliver x Dinah

( as you can see I'm a multishipper so I stay out of petty ship wars).

_Wheel of Time_

My favourites iare Nynaeve and Mat

I also love: Moiraine, Egwene, Elayne, Lan, Perrin, Rand and actually most of the book characters.

_The Witcher_

I love all the main characters and I ship both: Geralt x Yennifer and Geralt x Jaskier.

I have a soft spot for the father-daughter relationship of Geralt and Ciri.

_Stranger Things_

I love all the characters in this series. I usually defend Nancy and/or Jonathan because they are the ones who get the most hate. I have a soft spot for Max and Will.

My otp is Jancy and I also like Mileven, Byler, Lumax and Jopper.

Stoncy makes a nice otp3 and Steve is a sweetheart.

_The Walking Dead_

Glenn is the best (after all these years? always!)

I also like: Carol and Maggie (always defending them from haters), Daryl, Jesus, Michonne, Rick and Tara and many more.

My ships: Glenn x Maggie, Carol x Daryl, Rick x Michonne.

The characters I dislike are dead so no hard feelings for the characters who are still living.

_Harry Potter_

House Griffindor!

I love almost all the characters! If I had to pick favourites that would be Luna Lovegood and Ron Weasley.

My ships: Romione, Jilly and Remus x Tonks.

[lunarfly]

Defending Harmione part 3!

I'm back to defend my fav ship!

I have a part 1 where I debunked some of the most popular arguments against Harmione and in part 2 I debunked the "siblings" argument. Time for part 3! This one is going to be about a video on YouTube titled "Why Harry and Hermione Wouldn't Work - Harry Potter Video Essay" and I'll go over the points the YouTuber made and try my best to debunk them. 💘

Also, I accept that there's still a few minor flaws to the ship, but these little flaws and obstacles make every ship beautiful. 🥀

1. "It would be too cliche. The hero gets the smartest and prettiest girl as a trophy."

This is a fair argument to the whole story itself, but it doesn't defeat the ship in any way. If you put it in other words: "Harry and Hermione wouldn't work together because they're both very powerful and great and that would make it very cliche." That's silly. But even that isn't right. The situation isn't exactly how people make it seem.

Hermione isn't the all-perfect girl, the most beautiful, the most intelligent, everything perfect. She has flaws, many flaws (which weren't portrayed in the movies) and she is a very realistic character. She is intelligent and productive, she is a perfectionist in a way, but that also causes her to be very anxious and stressed out at moments, she puts too much pressure on herself, and she's also insecure! Who said Hermione was the most beautiful one? Just because Emma Watson was gorgeous doesn't mean Hermione was too. Of course, Harry thought she was pretty according to OotP, but it's clearly stated in the books that she wasn't the prettiest girl in the series. Fleur, Cho and even Ginny were much more beautiful. Hermione is NOT the perfect superstar.

You might say that even if she's not perfect, she's still the female lead. But the actual "cliche" part is about the hero ending up with the perfect superstar and not necessarily with the other lead hero.

So back to Hermione being the brightest witch of her age. But her being very bright and powerful doesn't make her a bad match for Harry. Ginny was very smart in fact, she was beautiful and funny, very sassy and confident. Why isn't she considered as a trophy for Harry?

The point is, NO, Hermione is NOT a perfect all-star and their relationship wouldn't even have to be built on the hero and the heroine being perfect, their relationship would be built on trust and loyalty.

2. "Harry and Hermione's relationship prove that a male and a female can be friends without having a romantic relationship, so we shouldn't ruin that."

Yes, it's truly a beautiful demonstration that a male and a female can be best friends, but this says nothing that's actually against the ship, just like the previous one. If you put this in other words, it would sound like this: "Harry and Hermione were amazing best friends so they can't date." I understand that their friendship was amazing, but that in no way means their relationship would be bad. Of course, you don't have to see their relationship as romantic just because they were good friends, you can see it as platonic, but I'm just saying that the argument makes no sense.

Besides, was Hermione really the only female friend Harry had? What about Luna? What about Ginny (if you consider Harry and Hermione start dating and Ginny remains a friend, she was clearly very included after OoTP)? What about Ron's friendship with Hermione? What about Ron and Luna's friendship? What about Neville and Luna's friendship? What about Harry's quidditch teammates (Alicia, Katie, Angelina)? Why does everyone always make it seem like Hermione was the only female friend he had? Surely she was his only BEST friend but then Ron and Hermione were best friends too...

3. "It ruins the dynamic of the story. Harry's relationships were never meant to be the main focus, just a demonstration of his maturity. While Ron and Hermione's relationship developing in the background is nice to see."

I really didn't want to drag Romione into this because it's my second favorite ship from the entire Harry Potter universe. Just a disclaimer that anything I say here is not meant to bash Romione and hate on it because I'm truly a big fan of them and their love is undeniable.

I also mention Ginny and Harry's relationship in this and I have to say they're ALSO one of my favorite ships in the entire hp universe so no hate to them either. 🥺

Okay, so, basically every point he made in his video was about the story and not their actual relationship. The title is wrong, this doesn't show why Harry and Hermione wouldn't work, he's just saying how it would change the storyline. But I think we are all already aware that Harry and Hermione getting together would change a lot in the story. But I'll go over it anyways.

First of all, I don't entirely agree that Harry's relationships weren't the main focus, I mean half of the half-blood prince was about him developing feelings for Ginny-

But anyways, if Harry and Hermione were going to end up together, it would still happen in a similar way. We have all read the beautiful moments they shared together throughout the books, and those would've been enough for them to develop their feelings, but just not realize it until the last 2 books. We wouldn't have to add in any scenes that would change the story massively to lead them to falling in love, honestly, we had enough already in the books. So the only thing that would change would be probably Harry not developing feelings for Ginny, but instead slowly realizing his feelings for Hermione. Simple!

And as for Romione, I agree, the slowburn was beautiful, but we could've had the same thing, same development but as a friendship! Ron's character arc is one of my favorite things about the series and nobody can convince me that it wasn't amazing. Instead of Ron changing for Hermione to become her lover, we could have Ron changing for her to become a better friend. His character arc remains the same and Ron Hermione become best friends. Of course this would change many scenes and the storyline would've changed a lot as I already mentioned, but hey! At least we wouldn't have Ron haters who bash him for mAkInG hErMiOnE cRy. 🤡 And JKR could add different scenes instead of the ones hinting at Ron and Hermione's romantic relationship. We still would have had a beautiful story with a VERY SIMILAR dynamic.

4. "Harry wasn't the kind of guy Hermione was looking for. She already made a mistake with dating Viktor Krum, and she realized she didn't need a hero. She was a hero herself. Although Harry ≠ Viktor, they have very similar qualities like: bravery, loyalty and they are both heroes."

This is probably the best argument of the entire *almost* 5 minute video.

But there's still so much wrong with this.

Bravery and loyalty are literally Ron's best traits lmao. That's exactly why she chose him. 🤣 Every Romione shipper knows she doesn't value intelligence and looks, she values bravery, courage, loyalty. That's exactly what she said in the first book and stuck by it until the end.

She didn't need a hero? She was a hero herself? - Then why are we forgetting that Ron was also a hero? Everyone always makes it seem like Harry and Hermione are the mighty heroes and Ron is their goofy sidekick. He was also a hero! I believe he is even on the chocolate frog cards (correct me if I'm wrong)! And we all know that's the biggest flex. 😌

But besides that, Ron and Harry are very similar in many ways. They're both brave, they're both loyal, they both like to have fun, they're both lazy, they're both amazing at quidditch, they're both talented (Harry is very powerful and he's good at DADA, while Ron can do many impressive things like mimic voices and come up with quick solutions even when he's under pressure and his life depends on it!). So if Hermione liked one and thought he was her "type", then there's a hight possibility she liked the other too. In canon, she only likes Ron obviously, but I'm saying that since Ron and Harry are so similar and share the same traits, Hermione could've chosen Harry too.

Anyways, that's all that the video included, it was very nice hearing different opinions and I actually wasn't writing this out of anger like I wrote the post about defending Romione against *the ridiculously stupid* arguments that Dr*mione shippers like to use.

Once again, if it isn't clear, I STAN both Romione and Hinny, but Harmione definitely could've worked. :)

Thanks for reading! ~ Lia <3

Art: Asha47110 on DeviantArt :)

[wowsoboring]

combating bullshit harry potter arguments, Harmony edition, #3

Here we go, guys. toxicharmonyshippers on instagram has once again found some weird shit the toxic Harmione stans say. Once again, I would preface this by saying that I have no big problem with Harmione and only run after them when they bash my favorite characters and ships. This time, I am expecting the rant to be comparatively shorter but let's see where the tide takes us through the course of time.

1)

I just scoffed while reading this absolute bull. I have a huge problem against those who want to essentially compare fiction with reality in such a negative way. Relating to a fictional character, cool. Having a little healthy crush, fine. But this is not good, man. First of all, this is clearly mocking us. And sometimes I don't even fucking understand why we need to defend Ron and Ginny. They have done weird hormonal bullshit which they more than made up for. I, to this date, don't understand why you need to bash the Weasleys (well, except for the twins and Bill). I feel like whoever wrote this has this weird holier-than-thou mentality and this is what I dislike about the Harmione community. Most of them pull of this shit and want everyone to treat them with the utmost respect we can muster. It doesn't work both ways, my dudes. Now the word flawed, I don't mind much. It's good to admit your flaws and learn from them like most do. Like Ron, Ginny, Hermione and Harry did in the books. The word that bugs me is 'unworthy'. Unworthy of what? Are you saying people who like two normal good guys in a fictional world aren't worthy because they like characters that you don't? Is this what you mean? Because that's what I can gather from this tidbit and I don't like how it sounds. How are you better than me in any way? And why are you correlating and writing these things without even thinking for a second what the gravity of your words are? I could never do it. "Hey, I'm unworthy of success and money and love because I think Ron Weasley is a good character, because I like Romione, I will fail and die alone." You're making a caricature of yourselves, it's not even funny anymore, I kind of feel bad.

2)

Now we shall talk of paradoxes. Throughout this series of rebuttals I've maintained my composure and didn't sink to their level of impropriety. How are we like religious extremists for liking a perfectly fine fictional character? We aren't stanning Voldemort or Draco or shit. This is Ron. Even if someone likes the trainwreck movie!ron is, it isn't close to religious extremism. You sound more radical than any Romione shipper I've encountered. Harmiones are paradoxical wonders.

3)

oh yes, this is the epitome of this holier-than-thou mentality I've been talking about for so long. I would rebut this and say mean things about their ship but that is not what this series is about. So once again, I will not sink to their level and just ask you, dear reader, to read and analyze this and the stupidity in this statement.

Just one question; what reality? When did Harry and Hermione kiss except in Ron's locket horcrux vision? Is that a Harmione scene? Asking for a friend. Oh no, wait, I don't want to be friends with you. It's not about you shipping Harmione, it's solely about the hypocrisy of your statement and your black-and-white perspective. I see all the greys in the spectrum. I'm not stupid enough to dislike people in real life because of their Harry Potter ship preferences (except if they were one of those death eaters x hermione/harry ship, then I would judge). Harmione, though I don't ship it or care for it, isn't weird or creepy. These toxic people in the Harmione community seem to have the savoir-faire of Narcissus. Not a good thing.

4)

not going to fall for this shit today, not in the mood, man.

5)

as a fan of harry potter, I really don't take any of JKR's sayings after canon remotely seriously. She earlier said she loved Romione in an interview, she built them up in the course of 7 years. She wrote 7 books which were building up Romione with no Harmione content. That was a publicity stunt, along with the whole "dumbledore is gay" shit. Bitch tells you to take Cursed Child as canon and you want me to take her seriously. She's a transphobic hypocrite who became an attention-seeker to remain relevant when she could have been like John Green or Rick Riordan or anyone else who people love.

6)

ugh! you seem ridiculous to me. what right to complain do you have? just fucking leave us alone and mind your own business! is that so fucking hard. God!

[vivithefolle]

It's really strange imo how many people go about saying stuff like "x character balances y character out, ergo x is the best partner and therefore y's twu luv~" as if that is completely necessary in an ideal pairing? Like, the assumption that either Ron or Harry or somebody else has to be a perfect counterweight to Hermione is pervasive. Which is weird considering how the most significant relationship dynamics we experience in the text is of a trio!

I'm not suggesting that poly is the way to go (though if that floats your boat, no judgement here). But the exposure to more nuanced dynamics in this very same text, like the three-part structure of Harry the Body • Ron the Heart • Hermione the Mind, ought to register better in fans. And like maybe also that whole moral that Love Will Save You - not just romance, but friendship, and family, and community, too - should have made more impact here.

I think it's an iffy way to idealize relationships, because it's essentially an expectation for a partner to supplement you as a person. That they should fill or fix all your deficits while not supplanting or interfering with your better features... But more than that, I think it's plain ridiculous to demand that one person must meet all these points to "solve" the other. All of our relationships contribute to shaping us as a person. Character growth occurs not only through interaction with a lover and the support of a partner, but through your bonds with everyone who you care enough about to put stock in. Both in fiction and irl!

Yeah, it is great and very compelling when the individuals in a ship complement each other - but that's really just because it enhances thematic elements for storytelling purposes! Which is why we can find ourselves enjoying unusual fanfic pairings between characters who've never interacted in the text when the author finds clever ways to link up themes and develop them. But as a determination for who is most suitable to find love in each other, it's not some definitive "correct" method undeserving of critique. Idolizing a ship for this reason is really narrow-minded in my estimation :T People aren't math problems who need to be solved, or who can only be answered in one way.

Basically, this is my manifesto on how stan culture fucking sucks. Thanks for reading lol happy shipping

Yes yes yes yes yes yes! Yes absolutely!

Absolutely, relationships aren’t. Like. The ultimate resolution to things! The obsession with romantic love - and I ship OT3-1, I am just as guilty of it - as this sort of thing that... somehow solves everything, completes you and makes everything perfect - it’s not that!

And honestly, yeah I’m totally biased that way, I love seeing Ron being comforted by his romantic partner(s) and being vulnerable and cherished and all that but I know it’s not really realistic, it’s just My Aesthetic™ and something I want to see more since it’s pretty much ALWAYS Ron who is doing the comforting and being the ~big strong manly pillar of strength for poor delicate Hermione~ and I HATE IT. I’m aware that there’s probably a shitload of projection involved, many girls who would like to have a Ron to comfort them and writing that out, but I’m like PLEASE let’s focus on him and not you for once.

It’s just... yeah, relationships aren’t easy, whether romantic or platonic. I will often downplay Harry and Hermione’s friendship to remind people of how strong a bond they both share with Ron - it’s bad, I shouldn’t do it, but I JUST CAN’T DEAL WITH THE “hurr durr rawn iz uzeless” narrative that’s been permeating the fandom for years and I will fight it in any way I can by pointing out literally everything, because if you ever slightly concede a point to these people they’re gonna go “HA YOU SEE I’M RIGHT SO YOU’RE ADMITTING RON IS USELESS” and... like no, eff off. So the way to counteract the “Ron was an ass” thing isn’t to say “oh yes, Ron was an ass, but he got better!!”, it’s “he wasn’t much more of an ass than Harry and Hermione were, why hold Ron to such different standards?”

Part of why I like Romione is the reverse gender-roles dynamic they’ve got going on. Ron being the more emotional caretaker one, which is a stereotypically feminine role in fiction, while Hermione is a bit more logical and academical, which usually is a typical masculine role (the mentor role, the teacher role, etc). I can’t get enough of that aesthetic. But it’s absolutely true that Ron and Hermione aren’t perfect halves of a greater whole - nobody is, and nobody should be! It’s not your job or anyone’s to be your partner’s “help-meet”. If you like that, if you happen to have such qualities that balance out your partner’s, that’s great! But you are in no way obliged to develop such qualities to “make my partner great again”. Hermione is pants at self-care, Ron likes taking care of people - all good! Great! But if Hermione doesn’t care for Quidditch and if Ron doesn’t care for, like, magical quantum physics or such, it doesn’t mean they’re incompatible either! It means they’ll just get their Quidditch and quantum physics talks elsewhere, from different people, and that’s fine. I think being in quarantine should have helped people realize that there’s only so much time you can take being stuck with the same person for days on end without going crazy.

Okay I rambled - right! People shouldn’t have to be perfect foils to their partners. It helps if there’s some degree of complementarity, but you can also work without it. As long as you and your partner are on the same page about things, that’s what should matter the most!

[therezastarman]

Romione! (I'm a passionate and quite toxic stan if I find out you like Dramione instead lol) No pressure! :)

I don’t like dramione, so you’re good.

I was not someone who was really sitting on the edge of my seat, waiting for romione to get together, tbh the only ships I really care about in the harry potter universe are jilly and wolfstar, but I do like them together. 

[chatnoirismycinnamonroll]

5 Ships I Sail the Hardest

Rules: List 5 ships and tag 5 people

I was tagged by @mindfulmagics 💙

1) SasuSaku/ Naruto

Since the first time I read about them in the manga and the first time they came out in the series, I shipped them so hard. I am not ashamed to say I am a Die Hard Sasusaku fan, and anyone who tries to shame me for it can get a chidori to the ass.

2) Love Square/ Miraculous Ladybug

THIS SHIP IS SO FRUSTRATING, YET SO INTERESTING. Theres so many things that could go with this ship, and so many ways it could start itself off!! Marinette and Adrien are my ship babies and I just love them so freaking much!

3) Wendip/ Gravity Falls

What can I say? Wendy and Dipper were my faves on the show, apart from the Pines Family. I'm actually glad the show didnt give them any boyfriends/girlfriends in the end because they werent ready for a relationship. And for those who say, "Why are you shipping them? Wendy is older!" Shes literally 15 years old. Dipper is 13. Its a two year difference, and it's not canon. Dipper will always love wendy and have her in his heart, but Wendy will probably only see him as the quirky new city boy. Sigh. But a girl can dream.

4) Garnet/ Steven Universe.

Garnet....and? No "and". I ship Garnet. As in Ruby and Sapphire. How can I not? I mean, Garnet is the epitome of love. She is a fusion crafted out of love. She is canon, she is married! She is love, fusion, marriage. She is beautiful. And she was such a mom to Steven. And even unfused, Ruby and Sapphire are so protective of Steven. She was literally the best mom. I stan a fucking queen.

5) Harmione/ Harry Potter

Harry and Hermione. I dont mind book Romione, but I dont like how the movies portrayed Ron and Hermione's relationship development. All they showed was Ron badmouthing Hermione and then, suddenly, she has a huge crush on him? In the books, I could see the development between the possibility of a romance between either Harry or Ron. But I have always wanted Harry and Hermione to get together. They just screamed power couple. Like, it saddens me that they didnt get together. But, like I said earlier, a girl can dream. That's what fanfiction is for after all, am I right?? 🙂

I am tagging @drarrylover007 @un1cornf1ghter @dreamteaze @chatnoirsladyprincessbugaboo and @lunian

[humanbludgers]

Just curious but why do you hate j*ly and h**ny? I'm actually genuinely really interested to know cause so many people love them!! (not trying to start anything)

[You got it, fam! Under a cut just in case, but it’s more anti-JKR/anti-fanwank than ship bashing. I don’t judge anybody for shipping them and they can be written in a way I’m fine with, which I describe below. It’s not like I go ragey every time I see them on the dash. I just have some hangups from an analytical perspective.]

[With Hinny, it’s not so much something fundamentally wrong with it as just the way it’s written in canon. It feels VERY forced and rushed. Ginny gets sidelined for aaages before swinging back in at the last minute to be Harry’s manic pixie dream girl, and she deserves better. 

There’s also the awkward detail that they both kinda chew up and throw away their non-white exes, as does Ron. Literally every interracial relationship in the series is presented as shallow and/or unhealthy, and FIVE are trampled underfoot to make way for the Hinny and Romione classic endgames with 2.5 kids and a very white picket fence. It’s like they all go off and have their Exotic Flings before settling down with the perfect fellow white person we all knew they were going to be with from Book 1. :/// I don’t think JKR is racist, but she can be rather dense, and I think she missed the implications of setting stuff up like that.

HOW TO REDEEM HINNY (to me): literally just give it some history and depth. I actually like seeing this RPed. Dw about the interracial ships, I’ve got them covered.

With Jily it’s the opposite. I don’t necessarily have a problem with how it’s written in canon so much as I dislike how sugarcoated it is by Marauder stans. I was surprised by its popularity when I first got into the fandom tbh? Like it seems to me like the typical “perfect popular girl dates jock bully” and I couldn’t be less interested in shipping it, myself. But to each their own. The issue is not that James is a bully. The issue is that people like to pretend he isn’t.

Yes, Sirius says he changed, and narratively it makes sense to believe he did, though realistically Sirius isn’t the most reliable source. But actions speak louder than words and we’re not shown any of that change. It seems like whenever a fan mentions what a jerk he is, someone else writes a 5000-word fic based on the line “his head deflated” and then points to it like SEE HE’S A GOOD PERSON and I’m like you do realise you just made all of that up right?? I sincerely doubt James was sainted in his seventh year, and tbh I think it’s a discredit to JKR to pretend he was.

(“Asher are YOU seriously defending JKR” she did so much wrong that she deserves to have the things she did well appreciated ok)

As I say often, one of the things that I found best-executed about HP was breaking down the dead angel parents trope, and in that sense I like James as a character even as I loathe him as a person. Sometimes people are losers and relationships are unhealthy, and it’s interesting to see Harry come to grips with the darker reality of James after building up this golden image of him all his life. In a series of one-dimensional stagnant characters, James is a really gloriously messy and complicated and controversial individual, and intentionally or not, canon emphasises his flaws. It’s unfortunate that the fandom is hellbent on turning him right back into a perfect dead angel parent.

tumblr: no means no. ‘boys will be boys’ is toxic. respect women’s right to choose what they do with their bodies and relationshipsalso tumblr: aww how cute that James wore Lily down by harrassing her for years and terrorising her best friend to literally threaten her into dating him. he was just trying to show how much he liked her! True Love™

To reiterate, I do not take issue with people shipping “problematic” things. The way I write Frangelina and all of Fred’s ships tbh is pretty unhealthy. It’s fiction; conflict is what makes it interesting. I actually wish more people would realise that, so they can stop trying to downplay or straight-up erase the ugly parts of their favourite characters and ships. Fred fans are the same way, and in my other main fandom people are always trying to push the narrative that Darth Vader spent twenty years crying over his mistakes when he was actually just straight-up slaughtering people. With ships especially, it’s like there’s this cycle of falling in love with a ship for its problems, realising “oh no I’m not allowed to ship problematic things,” and then desperately trying to explain away those same problems, defending things like bullying and abuse that they would never defend in any other context. You don’t have to explain anything ok?? Just stop???

HOW TO REDEEM JILY: Don’t deify James. Don’t pretend like he never did anything bad, the circumstances of his getting with Lily are perfectly healthy, and poor baby James is just misunderstood. Your fave is problematic. Accept it, get over it, and then ship whatever you want.]

[lunarfly]

Defending Harmione against some arguments Romione shippers use:

1. "Harry found Hermione boring."

Ok, I see where this is coming from. There is a scene in GoF where Harry thinks that Hermione isn't the same as Ron, and that having Hermione as his best friend would mean much more studying and much less having fun. But that doesn't mean he thought Hermione was boring, he just found studying and hanging out in the library boring, and since Hermione spent most of her time studying in the library, Harry didn't have as much fun. Now, don't get me wrong, I LOVE Romione but I hate it when Romione shippers use that scene as an argument against Harmione, because Ron found it just as (if not more) boring to study at the library as Harry did! So it's completely unfair.

2. "Harry found Hermione unattractive."

Firstly, people's looks and attractiveness don't determine whether you like the person or not, you don't have to think the person is stunning to fall in love with them. Secondly, Harry didn't find her unattractive, he literally says he doesn't think she's ugly. And when Hermione was at the ball, Harry found her so pretty that his jaw dropped. He didn't expect her to look that pretty, and that's a bit sad, but once he did realize it was her, his opinion on her looks kinda changed and he started to see her as an actually beautiful girl ever since.

3. "Harry is too short-tempered for Hermione."

I've seen some Romione shippers say this, and I've been shocked every time I have. In OoTP, when Harry was having a hard time, was getting upset about everything and was yelling constantly, Hermione was the one person to handle it well and calm him down. She was the one to deal with him, she was the one who understood him best, knew exactly how he was feeling. If you don't remember, you can reread OoTP, and pay more attention to those moments, it will be clear afterwards. *Quick note though, Luna was the second person who understood Harry well, and Harry didn't have trouble talking to her, which is why I admire their pure friendship. 🥺

4. "Harry and Hermione barely even talked when Ron wasn't around."

No, that's not true. The thing is, Harry spent more time with Ron, obviously, because he shared a room with him, took the same classes with him and etcetera, and he was more similar to Ron as well, so it would have been easier to talk to him about things like Quidditch and studying. But when he was with Hermione, most of the time Ron was there too, and they discussed the most important things together, they wouldn't talk about their plans without Ron, they always included each other(🥺🥺🥺). And just like that, he barely had any time without Hermione. But when he did, (ex. GoF) he DOES talked to her about anything, and Hermione had no problem understanding him. If you've noticed (reread OoTP if you haven't), whenever Harry had a problem, he always went up to Hermione to get advice. And so many Romione shippers also use the scene from The Deathly Hallows against Harmione, when they're so shocked about Ron leaving them that they can't do anything alone and don't talk. They say it's because Harry and Hermione can't get along, and they need Ron to do something together, but that's not true at all. Actually, Harry was always the bridge to Hermione and Ron, but, forgetting about that, when Ron left them, they were so sad and miserable, that they lost all confidence, sadness took over them, and Harry didn't know what to say to Hermione, as he was very bad at comforting people, but you can tell he was paying lots of attention to her. That's why they didn't talk or interact much. And if you remember, right before Ron left, there's a paragraph talking about how Harry and Hermione were the only ones talking and Ron was sitting in the background, complaining about food. Please get the facts right before you say something. <3

5. "Their relationship would be so boring."

Ok, I don't fully understand what you mean by this. If you mean it would be boring for the audience, then you're not a real fan of Hermione. If you'd rather read about her crying over Ron for your own entertainment than have her happy but "boring", you can't call yourself a real fan of her, sorry, I don't make the rules.

But, if you mean that Harry and Hermione would be bored in the relationship, then let me say something against that. If you think they wouldn't be able to have a conversation with each other, then you need to reread my point number 4. If you're saying they wouldn't be able to interact and have fun together, then you're straight up lying. They've spent their entire lives together, they grew up together, went through all of the adventures together (including Ron too of course, but Hermione was also there when Ron wasn't, but I can't blame Ron), they've literally lived together so idk how you'd expect them to be bored. If there's something Ron and Hermione could do to have fun and not be "bored" that Harry and Hermione couldn't, name it, because I'm really curious. Yes, Ron was very funny, he has made Harry and Hermione laugh a few times throughout the series (and I love him for that), but jokes aren't all it takes to keep a strong relationship.

That is all I'm going to cover for today, there's so many more reasonable arguments against them that I'll fight against in the future, but, for now, that's it. I mostly see Romione or Dr*rry shippers say these, but others say them as well. As for Drarry, it's pure toxicity, basically the LGBT version of Dr*mione. As for Romione, it's an amazing ship. I love it so much, I'll defend Ron over Draco and I won't accept Ron bashing for anything, not even for Harmione. He deserves better than Draco stans coming at him for nothing. Romione is pure, Ron would do anything for Hermione, and vice versa. And the same things happen with Harry & Hermione. That's why these ships are so similar and I love them both very very very much. <3

Also, I'm putting this post under the Romione tag because I have also defended Ron in this, and I truly love Romione, so please don't be offended by that. 🥺 As for the Dramione/Drarry tag, y'all can be offended as much as you want. IDC.

[vivithefolle]

I really like your posts especially the Hermione critical ones. I'm trying to convince my friend that Hermione isn't perfect and your posts explain it really well. If it's alright with you, can you share some links to your posts in chronological order? For e.g. the fourth book, fifth book, and so on. Or maybe starting from some tame Hermione critical posts to some extremely critical ones? Which post should a Hermione stan read first? Thank you in advance!

Oh wow, thanks Anon! I’m super flattered!! ;v;

So, if you want to check out those particular posts, you can browse through my #hermione critical tag, or the #anti hermione granger one - although I haven’t posted in that one in a while.

Nonetheless… I’ll try to compile a small list for you:

“Opinionated”

Hard work VS natural brilliance

Hard work again

“Wish fulfillment”

“Actually, I’m highly logical”

Steve Kloves’ vision of Hermione

Helping with homework: Ron VS Hermione

Of cats and rats

The futility of Marietta’s punishment

The ethics of a cursed parchment

On abuse

On abuse²

Ron’s splinching

Double standards

More double standards

“Intellectual compatibility”

It’s actually Hermione who resents others’ success, not Ron

Why Hermione isn’t that great

Actually she’s pretty bloody annoying

Hermione fans, mimicking their heroine

Two can play at this game

Double Character Assassination

The portrayal of Hermione in fanfiction and how pretty much everyone gets her wrong

The arrogant know-it-all show-off

CoNtRoVeRsIaL oPiNiOn

A typical Hermione fan and the reaction entailed

The Lavender debacle + Hermione’s behaviour and why Ron didn’t pick up on her “hints”

On the subject of “hints”

Why I have a hard time shipping Romione as much as I used to

Hermione’s lie

Dolores Jane Granger

Not propping Ron up

Hermione Granger and What Character Arc?

Hermione Granger and Why she must Never be made Minister of Magic are you freaking out of your mind

Hermione Granger and the Violation of Human Rights

Hermione Granger and the time Ron saved the day thank goodness

J.K. Rowling and the Consequences of Not Rereading One’s Work

J.K. Rowling and the Misremembered Characterization

J.K. Rowling and the Dangers of Projecting Too Hard

The Harmonian way of life (or why most of the fandom tends to dislike Harry/Hermione shippers on sight)

ViviTheFolle and the time I got angry

ViviTheFolle and the time I got worked-up

ViviTheFolle and whacking a dumbass Ron-basher with the Truth

ViviTheFolle and the day I fucking snapped

Hope that’ll give you enough arguments to convince your friend!