#I see scarabia mischaracterized a lot
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snek-disappearedagain · 1 year ago
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My views of jamikali (from someone who doesnt ship it but also doesn’t judge those who do)
im at the point where I don’t like or ship jamikali because i think its toxic (that is my opinion btw, if you don’t think it is then that’s alr because opinions are not facts ^^) but also I want them to be friends. Like. I want them to work on themselves for a bit and then begin working on their friendship again. At the same time though, I don’t think I can ever see them in a romantic relationship simply because of the trauma inflicted on both ends from both ends. Even if it was unintentional, it’s there.
i accidentally went crazy in the tags so if you want more feel free to read those 😭
#I saw a tik tok talking about this ship and one of the comments said that people who are against the ship mischaracterize the two more#which confused me a bit#because I’ve seen a lot of jamikali shippers portray Kalim as a harmless cinnamon roll sunshine boy when he has much more to his character#but then I was like#tf it doesnt matter if you ship it or not#I see scarabia mischaracterized a lot#and I think it’s because the en translation left out a lot of jamils story#so it was seen more of his family willingly working for kalims#rather than them being literal unpaid servants#i think they should redo the the translation#also mischaracterizing characters although bad happens#like maybe you just got into the fandom and haven’t finished the story#or maybe you have trouble writing certain kinds of characters because you don’t personally understand how they act#and thats okay as long as you try your best#imo mischaracterization is only bad if a. the characters are completely different. B. things from the character’s personality or story are#emoved by choice#(fuck you tag limit)#or C. The person is informed of mischaracterizing someone and proceeds to ignore it#if it’s someone who may be new to writing or the fandom or someone who is maybe just misinformed then I feel like you can just tell them#hey ! I see you may be mischaracterizing this person a bit#let me inform you how and what you can do better#(nicely)#twisted wonderland#twst#jamil viper#disney twisted wonderland#twst wonderland#kalim al asim#opinion#went crazy in the tags whoops
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idialover · 1 year ago
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!!NSFW!!!
My friends and I have a tradition of playing "does this character have sex" whenever we get into a new piece of media, because we always enjoy everything together, and today we spent a few hours discussing TWST charactrs. They found out that I now have a Tumblr blog and told me I should "post our very scientific findings for the interwebs" (Note that we are all between the ages of 16-17, so in the same age group as the characters)
Heartslabyul (general judgement): The virgin one
Riddle: no, and he somehow doesn't even know what sex is. You'd think he'd know with how much he studies about everything you learn in school, so even sex-ed but no, he doesn't know
Ace: gray area, no bitches respectfully, except maybe Deuce, but we couldn't agree on that, he would treat it as "it's just a prank bro, no homo"
Deuce: yeah, sure, I mean he's pretty okay looking, not often tho
Cater: he seems like he'd be a dicord kitten or an insta-thot, he tries but doesn't really succeed, maybe once or twice.
Trey: no, because he actually wears a fedora, unironically. "he's as bland as the flour he uses in his cakes"-my friend#2
Savanaclaw (general judgement): Gahdayumm!!
Leona: YES! absoulutley 100% just look at him, but he'd be one of those lazy tops, is very casual about it, there isn't a lot to say because it's just so obvious that he is 100% a sex haver
Ruggie: Hard to say, he has an Italian souding name so maybe no, he hasn't yet discovered that he can earn quite a lot of money that way, or maybe he has (we couldn't agree on this)
Jack: gay wolf boyfirend fantasy so yes, big buff man go brrrr
Octavinelle (general judgement): ehhhh, fish go brrr
Azul: this was a very hard one to decide but in the end no, no real reason just doesn't seem like he would have it, he's on that alpha buisness grindset
Jade: Yes becazse friend#1 said so (she's a strong Jade stan) and everyone decided to let her have this one, but everybody else generally thinks he is Asexual (friend#1 is also ace)
Floyd: yes, he is bisexual in wicked and scheming ways and everybody is aware of that. Chaos bi, him and Jade are two side of a coin, all or nothing. He flirts by messing with people, mostly Riddle but as I've already said Riddle has no idea what's going on and just thinks Floyd has it out for him
Scarabia (general judgement): This was the hardest one to discuss
Kalim: He is very lovable, but no, for unknown reasons, boy has 0 rizz
Jamil: yeah, ig, normal 17 year old guy, he isn't basic like Trey, but he just doesn't have time because of Kalim
Pomefiore (general judgement): slayyy!
Vil: Yes, and his standards are surprisingly not as high as you'd think, we got very heated about how people often mischaracterize him as a very vain but he just wants people to be themselves and best version of themselves. Good for cardio
Rook: yes, in freaky kinky ways (see Rook alchemy card) he sometimes has touble finding people who are into the same stuff as him
Epel: no, beacause he is an "alpha male" in the worst ways possible
Ignihyde (General judgement): you'd think they be reddit mods, but they actually tumblr sexymen
Idia: yes, he has that disheveled rizz, the more they look like they haven't left the house since 2015 the better. We stan broken men in this household(blog), only on halloween tho that's when his confidence get's a bit better and he becomes and active member of society
Ortho: he is a robot based on a young child! NO!
Diasomnia (General judgement): oooh spooky~~
Malleus: yeah sure
Silver: gray are (they demanded I make that pun, pls forgive me)
Lillia: He is the most slay character, an old vampire/fae obviously yes. He has a lot of experience, best sex haver he's so amazing, Lillia for the win
Sebek: no
Staff (general judgement): a very mixed bag
Crowley: someone somwhere slept with him, he is kinda usless but he gets laid, look at his vacation outfit
Crewel: Definetly, high standards but he is correct, he gets to have high standards, he is the perfect man, not a DILF but also not not one
Trein: yes, loyal to his wife (rip tho), good husband 10/10 would trust him, good man
Vargas: Yeah, he's a typical good looking guy, he has never had a long term relationship but he doesn't want one
Sam: We debated for a long time and decided that yes he does have sex
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kazumirambles · 1 year ago
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Me literally listening to the audio and then looking at the text like “wtf that’s not what they said”
Anyways it’s like they got the general idea (usually??) but then they didn’t add specific details
Anyways I know their like… premise?? Is supposed to be a single characteristic, but by the end of the story you’re supposed to at least know a little bit more about the overblotters in particular.
Like yeah he’s [insert a trait] BUT he’s also this, this and this… There is so much more.
Also I feel like after people find a base characteristic, they don’t… Change their mind about that character? Like obviously I’m also guilty of it (looking at you Scarabia (I didn’t get their arc (like it wasn’t impactful) until I just sat and thought about it for a while)) but like? You should know they’re more than that specific characteristic.
Like yeah Vil seems to be all about beauty, but in later chapters you can see how much he cares for his dormmates (classic example because a lot of people I see are like “Vil would be cold to you” ??? I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t?? Idk if I’m misreading him but??)
Literally all of Octavinelle with Azul “he’s just crying and wants to make money” Ashengrotto; Jade “the poor dude who has to deal with his twin and his housewarden” OR “the guy who would murder you and play with your feelings” Leech; and Floyd “he would definitely abuse you” Leech. Like. Wtf.
I’m sorry I’ve done so many analyses on Azul and his character so whenever I see him and Octavinelle in general get mischaracterized I want to scream (I love talking about Azul though so you’re more than welcome to ask haha)
Literally I could write more but I need to go to sleep
Anyways TWST characters have so many layers to them (unlike some other games I’ve played where characters start becoming shallow) and like. They have realistic personality traits. Like maybe a trait seems excessive, but I feel like with all the other traits that the character has, everything supports it as a whole (im sleepy and rambling here, I know this doesn’t make sense)
Anyways yeah I don’t know how to end things but mischaracterizations (I can’t spell that without autocorrect) hurts my brain and every time it happens I want to cry.
When twst Eng was announced I was very nervous.
Mainly it was being released in the U.S and western fans (especially the US ones) aren't very good at actually thinking about what they consume, at least in my experience (not all of them ofc)
They mostly just pick out base characteristics and make that the character's entire personality and then decide if they love or hate them based on those black and white attributes without any nuance or critical thought.
When I heard about the mistakes (Cater's sisters, Kalim's name) and suspicious info removals (removing Cater saying he would date Vil, replacing beautiful with handsome when describing Vil) going on in twst English I was even more concerned.
When I heard about how they watered down Azul's story so they didn't "offend" anyone I was unsurprised but very sad.
Now seeing how horribly almost every character is characterised by the fandom I'm not surprised but I am still very sad and a little bit upset.
The characters of Twisted Wonderland are so beautifully complex and authentic that it still blows my mind to think about.
I hate the fact that they've been whittled down to "rules" "beauty" "sleepy" "money" etc
There's so much more to them than that
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omenics · 2 years ago
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Your writing is appealing. It's very Lovable considering the weight you put in your words and with your humourous persona. If given the chance I'd like to converse with you to such lengths, it seems as if I can learn from it.
You're very estimable. As such, I'm sure you'd have no problems with my request, atleast I hope you wouldn't. If you do then please tell me beforehand that you're not able to pursue my request.
Savanaclaw, Octavinelle, Scarabia, Riddle, Cater, and Trey relationship hcs with are gender neutral reader who's very intelligent. Knows almost everything, they know various war strategies and languages. Even Morse code, dead languages and sign language. They're over all very strategic but have a very cold personality that closes everyone off. They do so in a very beautiful and elegant manner.
Their significant other of course found this odd until they found out that the reader was actually a war strategist back in their world. Despite being so young, they were talented and the best in all fields.
It's quite a lot though observing and seeing as you like to challenge yourself and push your limits from time to time. Then I hope you wouldn't have a problem.
Thank you for making me come across your writing Chéri
[𝐍𝐀𝐌𝐄] 𝐒𝐋𝐀𝐘𝐒 𝐀𝐆𝐀𝐈𝐍 , savanaclaw, octavinelle, scarabia, riddle, cater, trey .
› ..essentially [name] is just awesome and cool. gn reader. — oh my goodness gracious tysm?? anyways ignore how this fr took me like a month or two to write… and also pls dont condemn me to hell bc theyre short and i took 90 years to write this. also not proofread
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RIDDLE.
he absolutely 100% would be intimidated at first by your personality, and after finding out who you were back in your world would be intimidated once again, or possibly a little bit threatened? if that adds up help WJFIWJFH
but over all he would still be very impressed by everything
i could be wrong, but i feel that in a way he would be a bit relieved while being in a relationship with someone like this? IDK BUT TO ME IT MAKES SENSE
anyways hed think ur a rule follower and if u r great if not hes condemning you to the 9th circle of hell (i forgor the circles tbh) but fr tho hes stressing already
CATER .
either he does not care abt your cold personality or completely ignores it and tries to post u on magicam because youre just so cool and elegant and awesome and hes BOUND to get sm clout <;3
he probably thinks youre cool tho but its like an act but he is proven wrong 😔
he doesnt even realize he likes u until he discovers your life in your own world and then discovers ☹️ and then he immediately tells u <3 we love a confident man
anyways is a little shocked that u ALSO like him but hey youre his little clout gatherer so its okay and you both blow up on magicam and youre all happy <;3
but fr tho that mf is charismatic so yk damn well he didnt make it awkward.. and he probably uses u for assignments smh poor [name] huh cant catch a break
TREY .
man is in love. how can someone be so mysterious and ELEGANT AT THE SAME TIME ???
call you both jamie and claire from outlander bc its love at first sight i guarantee it
aside from that is he also standoffish? no. did i forget his character writing this? perhaps but will i continue? yes.
like youre all perfect. this man bakes for you. he doesnr even know if you like it but what? he bakes stuff anyways because we all know he would
oh and when he finds out what u were? thats okay he probably doesnt mind and thinks its cool (bc it is)
LEONA .
he would not care…. that is a lie hed kinda care
i think i mischaracterize leona but i also havent played twst recently and forgor 😔 so im sorry for not doing him justice leona stans </33
maybe hed even be a little… impressed
like oh this herbivore did that??? wow. also the way this went downhill from riddle just kinda makes me laugh
he wouldnt be intimidated. just acknowledges youre there and thats abt it tbh. at first bro would probably think ur trying to be edgy but when he finds our hes just like. eh. cool ig and goes back to sleeping or whatever tf he was doing
later on like 4 months into your relationship he realizes that youre like a god for the spelldrive tournament and walks in SHAME for not realizing earlier
RUGGIE .
another man who respects u
admires your smarts… but thinks ur fucking weird like why r u all emo [name] 🤨
then he finds out and hes just all smug like oh guess who MY s/o is, probably saying that ‘my s/o can beat ur s/o in a fight’ like this is middle school and a competition on whose dad is stronger 💀💀
to put it simply you are not like the rest of the s/o’s. you are stronger, you are smarter, you are better. you are better!!
JACK .
MAN IS PROUD
i think
but seriously i think he’d be a little intimidated because who wouldnt right but like when he finds out he is proud. supportive bf and literally best twst character 💪💪
he respects your boundaries. he listens if you wanna talk abt your life back in your world bc why? its jack.
get yourself a jack. ive been saying this but imo? he is perfect <;3
AZUL .
another one that would be incredibly impressed, and would absolutely want to get closer sooner :)
i think he’d be intrigued too as to why ur all cold and like smart as hell
he probably has a mission to find out why and sends out jade and floyd to spy on you smh bad bf behaviour azul
again when he finds out bros impressed. probably determined to change you but that wont work bc it simply wouldnt. pick me behaviour fr fr 😕
hes still ur biggest fan. likes to listen like jack either bc hes interested or using some of ur points to plot his enemies downfall
JADE .
he does not bully you because he has DIGNITY unlike SOMEONE
anyways yet another mf who is interested in u bc why r u so cold [name]? and why do u make it look so pretty and elegant and gorgeous and beautiful when ur like that 🤨
he finds out from like azul or smth and then hes like ‘oh okay :) thats cool’ and carried on with his day
and then he sees u more
and then u see him more
and youre both like damn theyre kinda fine
and then u date
and then youre all happy because its jade. and he enjoys listening to what u have to say from your world and what you do in your world :)
so basically youre all just chillin
FLOYD .
bullies you bc youre emo 😕
and then funds out what you were un your home but then still bullies you 😔😔
he would probably think its like a whole defence mechanism but no bro ur just like that
and he then starts thinking u make it look… pretty
and then he takes like 50 billion years to realize and then youre all like somehow together and then he is like the last one to find out what tf you do and hes bummed 😕
but then goes back to normal and doesnt care
KALIM .
bro is FLABBERGASTED
very impressed like ur THAT smart and cool and awesome???? he is your biggest fan and supporter
and yet another guy who simply ignores your cold ass personality because he probably would
maybe not love at first sight but hes just so amazing i love him sm. so basically before u both get into a relationship you are now his scary dog <3 it all takes time tbh and its all very nice and good 💪💪 best one to date tho lets be real
JAMIL .
his first words for bffr. be fuckin for real when he sees you walk in with your cold ass and elegant person
stage one is denial and he refuses to accept that hes fond of you bc youre kinda cool
but he is kinda interested as to why youre like that… and why youre all smart… like wtf were u before you came here
and then he finds out and is, again, flabberghasted
no that much but did not expect that 💀 like damn alr [name] guess youre cooler than he thought
also became fond of you but went back to stage one bc god FORBID he catches feelings 🥺 for u like he would rather die than admit that tbh
and then he accepts it after like 2 months of pure denial and then boom ur dating and are a couple 💀💀
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twstandsh0ut · 2 years ago
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Octavinelle Kink Headcannons
Soooo I'm finally posting this after leaving it perpetually in drafts. No idea when I'll get around to posting Scarabia, but I *should* have some new character analysis posts coming in the near future that are about how different characters would be in a relationship. I love reading twst fics, buuuuuut I do feel certain characters are a bit mischaracterized by the fandom (not that there's anything wrong with headcannons, I mean that's literally what this blog is filled with) so I wanted to post my personal take on them. Anyways, on to what you're here for~
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Azul Ashengrotto
A bit of an exhibitionist. I know he's often portrayed as being shy, buuuuuuut I believe he would be the opposite (see post on Azul and shyness). He wants to show off his partner and make others jealous that he has what they do not. Expect him to suddenly pull you into a kiss, doing his best to make you moan or blush in public, all while having that one smirk on his face.
Azul gets off on control, so expect him to be telling you what to do a lot (though not as much as a certain Scarabia student...). I can definitely see this getting out of hand, so brace yourself and be ready to knock him down a few pegs if needed.
100% into degradation. He can't help it, when he sees you desperately begging for him it just starts to come out. But you like that, don't you, you poor unfortunate soul?
I can definitely see him using toys and rope, but for him he can take or leave it/it depends on his mood.
Sadist. I mean, look at literally any interaction with the students under contract with him.
Dom, but could switch with the right person. He's spent a lot of time fighting to get to the top, I don't think he'll give up control so easily. The right person could persuade him to though, but I imagine it wouldn't be 100% of the time since sometimes he just needs to feel on top of the world.
Rather than preferring a sub/switch/Dom, he'd prefer someone that he could show off/would bring him higher social status or an advantage in the world of some sort. He wants someone that others will be jealous of. Bonus points if that person wields a lot of power but is completely submissive to him... although that kind of person would likely straight up get taken advantage of. Sorry, but Azul is not as nice as he claims to be.
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Jade Leech
Well everyone, meet the #1 kinkiest person on campus. While there are a few others who come close, Jade is easily one of the kinkiest on campus. If you're with him, you'd better brace himself, cause there's very few limits here and he's always interested in trying something "for science."
He really enjoys observing you. He will know all your weaknesses, and will try things out on you to see how you react. He'll of course remember his favorite reactions and do his best to get them out of you all the time. Also on the same lines, I see him as wanting to do things to you more than you do things to him. He's definitely into shibari as well.
Overstimulation. He is 100% into it. Honestly, he'd probably tie you up, add a vibrator, then just.... hang out and do homework or tend to his terrariums. While observing you from the corner of his eye. Or, you know. Straight up sitting in front of you with that shit eating grin of his asking if you're enjoying yourself, maybe you need his help while full well knowing you can't take much more, but you'll try for him right?
Honestly, if you're with Jade chances are Floyd is joining in too. They may take turns with you, but they're definitely going to share you at some point. They have a lot more in common than meets the eye, so chances are if you've attracted the attention of one you've attracted the attention of both. Not to mention male moray eels apparently share a female mate
Sadist... I feel this needs no explanation. Like.... all of his interactions, no matter how polite he seems, he's just exuding sadist.
Dom. Is this even a question? He'd be specifically looking for an interesting partner who reacts a lot. The more you react and the more interesting your reactions the better. Doesn't matter to him if you're a Dom/switch/sub... you'll be a sub for him.
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Floyd Leech
I hope you're into being covered in bruises and bite marks! While Jade and Floyd have similar tendencies, Jade is more deliberate and Floyd will start off being deliberate before going with the flow. Any partner of his had better have a high pain tolerance and either be really good at concealer/have a ton of turtlenecks and long sleeve outfits.... or just straight up not care about the whispers and comments. Bright side... Floyd will probably chase off anyone that harasses you about the marks. You know, after smirking and bragging.
He's not opposed to toys, but he may decide he's done using them partway through cause he got bored. The least likely of the Octatrio to tie up a partner due to it taking so long. Well... he'll do the basic ones. You could convince him to do more complex bondage if you make it interesting however. Honestly, make it interesting for him and he'll have the same kind of patience as Jade.
Like stated with Jade, Floyd will most likely share you with his twin. Just be ready if you're in the middle of something with Jade for Floyd to snag you over to him saying it's his turn. Still, he won't be entirely selfish. After all, Jade always makes things more fun and comes up with the best ideas... and he can't wait to see you starring in Jade's latest one.
Sadist. Like with Jade I feel this needs no explanation.
Dom. In terms of a partner I feel he'd be similar to Jade in that you'd have to catch and keep his attention. I do feel playing hard to get will go a long with with him as well... but be careful not to take it too far with him. Unless you enjoy being chased down by a pair of eels, then carry on~
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draceempressa · 3 years ago
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I need to ask this, but if you don't like then it's fine but what things people tend to mischaracterized about Leona?
mainly the parts where people treat him like "poor little meow meow " .
Again, while he is undoubtedly needs help, he is by no means cinnamon roll . he does needs hugs but also a lot of call out about his mistakes. Like he overblot when Lilia called him out.... which is, yes, he is depressed, on the verge of snapping but he is also a asshole that needs that call out.
In his overblot flashback, while it's true people around him was at fault for comparing him with Farena, we can also see Farena instead gives him actual call out bc he cares, and to the present we can also say the same to Lilia. And yet, we painted Leona as poor victim despite he IS wrong and painted Lilia and Farena for bullying Leona , for pointing out his mistakes when he IS wrong.
There is also his relationship with Ruggie which, first, Leona is 21 and Ruggie is 17. Then there is the fact that the fact Leona always remind Ruggie he is the one with the upper hand, mostly with his socioeconomic status. Leona-Ruggie, other than Jamil-Kalim are the only ones whose socioeconomic status actually matters. And unlike Jamil who is more capable person that Kalim -more magical skill, wit, actual living skill, etc, Leona actually isn't that less capable if he wanted to, he can outwit Ruggie if he wanted. We are reminded that the scale favors on Leona's side, and Leona also reminded Ruggie of it. There is also the fact Leona MANIPULATES Ruggie into following him. Even between Octavinelle Trio and Scarabia duo , there is clearly some bond there, but really, Leona have so much power over Ruggie and it's discomforting.
It's really .... double standard, that people chided Vil for "bullying" epel when Epel really is in the wrong for being sexist, (again not to say vil isn't in the wrong for being too strict is indeed his flaw but again he is not any less strict to himself either) , but ppl seem to conveniently never brought up how Leona intentionally wants to kill Ruggie, even without fully snapping, and repeatedly rubs the socioeconomic chasm to Ruggie's face. , again, intentionally.He pretty much already plans to pretty much kill the Diasomnia members, even when he's stable, Leona planned for murder and isn't sorry about it, and yall make it sound like Vil is way more mean than him . The other OB boys aren't stable when they decide to go for murder, but Leona already plans murder then he's stable. He really lacks that respect to people's lives.
As I mentioned before, while Vil and Kalim are insensitive about Neige and Jamil's situation, and feel sorry about it, Leona is not. He is intentionally mean, he knows there are a lot of poor ppl around and instead of admitting their pain, that fact feeds the superiority part of is superiority inferiority complex and he hardly regret his stuff.
Then there is the whole his attitude to women. As mentioned before, he isn't a feminist, he is scared of women. and thus, he would disrespect a women who proves herself to be not a threat.
and honestly? Same with Idia. He too isn't cinnamon roll who did nothing wrong with his fair of bullying in the name of superiority inferiority complex, but man if fandom also defend him as he's "relatable, depressed, introverted." , no guys while it's true depressed characters needs help, said help isn't always the form of coddling or approving their shit.
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lovee-infected · 4 years ago
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I love your characters analyses and I agree a lot with them!My favorite is Kalim and while he's an angel, the way most people go "Dumb innocent baby who is naive to the way of the the world uwu" kinda irks me haha. Yes, he's an airhead most of the time but he's much more perceptive than he looks (he knew about Jamil nature all along) and can use his head and put in hard work when he thinks it matters, aka helping and making other people happy (his dorm uniform and scary outfit story) (part 1)
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PREACH ANON, PREACH!!! The truth has been spoken 👏👏👏 That was amazing and you almost said anything that I meant to say! Characters and even real people who have the same personality as Kalim are often mischaracterized/misunderstood, mostly because people don't know that kindness isn't equal to stupidity. Almost anything that was needed to be said is already here so I'd just go through some of the details to complete it:
(1) Kindness ≠ Stupidity
Honestly...this isn't just about twst, it's about real life. These days many who are just sweet, generous and caring toward others even as they know that they're being abused because of their kindness, are called naïve and stupid. Look, many times they do realize that not everyone around them are worthy of their kindness, but they'd continue to treat them nicely, because it's in they're nature to be kind nonetheless, and this purity and genuine kindness is the worthiest thing one can ever ask for.
After chapter 4, Kalim did understand that Jamil had never been the person he was thought he was, he didn't even consider Kalim his friend. Jamil is still rejecting him but Kalim doesn't care, he even thanked Jamil after the fairy gala event for dancing with him, because it reminded him of the times when they played as children. Someone like Kalim would never forget anyone's kindness towards him, no matter what happens or how things change through the time. If you think about it, we all need someone like Kalim in our life.
Accept it, no matter who we are or how different our taste in people might be, we'd still appreciate an ally like Kalim. Someone who'd care for you and your problems no matter what it is, even as he can't help he'd try his best to at least make you feel better. He accepts criticism and won't fight you even if you call him useless and dumb (Just like when Jamil blamed him in the end of chapter 4), yet he'd still try to befriend you and do his best to support you through obstacles. This will to help people whom he cares for regardless of what they think of him or how much it may trouble him is an absolute treasure, just how many people can be like Kalim?
(2) Kalim shouldn't be compared to Jamil all the time!
A really common way of mischaracterizing Kalim is by comparing him to Jamil all the time: "Jamil is quiet, Kalim is talkative" "Jamil is cold, Kalim is warm and friendly" "Jamil is talented, Kalim is not" "Jamil is thoughtful and wise, Kalim is careless and stupid"...
I agree that Kalim and Jamil are different in some ways, but it isn't okay if we're going to compare him to Kalim whenever we're talking about him! Do we mention Jade or Floyd whenever we're talking about Azul? Do we compare Vil to Rook everytime we're talking about him? See, Kalim and Jamil are two separate characters. No matter how different or close they are, it isn't okay to consider them as nothing more than opposites! Both Kalim and Jamil have independent personalities amd we we don't have to mention Jamil whenever we want to talk about Kalim! His existence isn't bound to Jamil's and he's got a lot we can talk about other than his relationship/differences with Jamil.
(3) His generosity tells us a lot
You may wonder, why is he so generous anyway? Giving up on golden peacocks and diamond stones for friends and even strangers without caring about the financial loss isn't such an easy thing to do. Well let's imagine being on Kalim's shoes for a second:
You come from an unbelievably rich family, and ever since you can remember everyone around you has been treating you like a prince because of your father's status and money. Everyone around you is supposed to respect and treat you like a royaland you can buy anything you can ever wish for, you've got no financial boundaries. But on the other hand, you know that almost everything you've got around you is because of money: fame, wealth and many of your friends.
And if you one day lose all the money you'd once got, what is going to happen to you? What should you rely on? Who will ever even care if you're alive or not if the money that held all of your power and clout is gone? Also, even as he's rich, there are still things that he couldn't ever buy with money. He did say that sometimes he just feels so alone several times, then quickly changed the topic into something interesting and bright. Maybe he does want people to know that he as well sometimes goes through the pain and loneliness, but doesn't want it to seem to dramatic therefore he'd just quickly mention it to let it off his chest, then starts to talk about something else.
That's much and less of the reason behind Kalim's personality, he wants to use his money and attitude to gain what he can't buy with money: Friends. That's right, many of his friends might already be around him just for money, right? But it doesn't matter, he's got enough of money to keep them all satisfied. And if satisfying them is all it takes to keep his friends around him, he's all fine with it. He doesn't mind hoe expensive it might be, as long as he'll get to have nice friends he cares for around him he's alright.
THis generosity with money has found his way to his personality and attitude as well. His nature gravitates him into trying his best to help people out with all he's got. Kalim on his own is one that can get to have hid problems solved easily, there's always someone there to do it for him so he never needs to worry about anything. Perhaps he wants others around him to feel the same? If he had someone to take care of him whenever he needed to, then everyone else as well deserve to be helped out through difficulties just like Kalim was.
(4) We should all try and see through him!
Lets take a look at Kalim's background: Growing up with legit LOTS of siblings, he surely didn't get the attention and family love he deserved to have. Have you ever considered why Jamil was always so important to him while he could've been this close to any of his brothers? Well, that might be because none of his family members wasn't ever even close to being that close to him. Jamil isn't his brother, but Kalim does consider him his brother and best friend, which is somehow showing that even his own family haven't done as much as Jamil has done for him. He could've been poisoned or assassinated at any second, how does it feel growing up in an environment where you know many people already want you dead? Also, have you considered just how insecure and skeptical he coul've became because of having such a fearful past? At this point, someone wit his background might not even dare talk to any of other students let alone making friends with them! Almost any of us could've had trust issues if we'd grown up in the same environment as him!
Come to think of it, you'll see that Kalim is also pretty similar to the well-known hero Naruto! Naruto used to be looked down on because of his lack of ability yet he never gave up, he had a stunning will to turn his enemies into friends, he was considering and never gave up on Sasuke no matter how many times he hurt and turned his back on Naruto, and he never gave up on his goal no matter how many times he lost.
Kalim as well still has a lot to learn to improve and become a stronger magician, and he has strated to work his best and try to improve! It might not happen as fast as we may expect, but someday, maybe he as well would be strong enough for Jamil to be considered his rival and friend.
Another interesting fact to point out is their sense of humor, both Narto and Kalim can be careless at the time and sometimes mess up, and they also have a thing for sometimes laughing at their friends' mistakes (Not in an offensive way) all though they're the one to mess up most of the time. Like the times Kalim laughed at how bad Ace and Deuce's performance was, then decided to teach them how to dance with the help of Jamil.
Just would've been improved much faster if his goal was to be a great magician, but the main difference between Kalim and Naruto are thirs goals. Becoming a great ninja was Naruto's biggest goal, while Kalim's greatest goal is to be a good and supportive friend for everyone around him. Keep something in mind about Scarabia: It's true that Jamil, the vice dorm leader is in charge of most of the tasks and managements; but Kalim's presence is just as necessary for the students! Students need someone understand them, listen to their messenge and care to solve their problems like a friend! With Kalim's sympathy and Jamil's management, Scarabia students would have the chance to improve their best for the sake of their dorm and their very own future. (Though there needs to be some changes, Kalim should be a little more serious in general and Jamil needs to be more considering, but if Kalim and Jamil learn to work as a team Scarabia would stand higher than many of other dorms!)
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For real, this is a school of villains and Kalim is much of a great exception to be in this school. He's legit the nicest character in the game and even MC had plenty of great memories with him back in the Chapter 4. This precious boy doesn't deserve to be called stupid or naïve while all he's been doing so far was to bring everyone including us the players a wonderful time and sweet memories...we need to understand him much better💔
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arledrone · 3 years ago
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I would say I send you patience and strength but boy am I at my fucking limit with how these tls actually handle everything else, like hornton? i can take it its cute and i will use it against anyone who hates it for sheer spite. The wack ass lingo's that been used? yeah that too because when you think about it, it makes sense bc technically speaking they arent from our world and TWST wonderland's worldbuilding has always been one step backwards and two steps forward kinda thing bc of the way there world works (modern enough but not as modern as ours since they still have magic which slows their process I think) Cater not being honest about his sisters also makes sense because i'd like to think that he just honestly wants people to leave him and his family life alone so yeah.
BUT EVERYTHING ELSE???? Sebek and Silver of all people not calling Malleus with his appropriate title?? etc. etc.?? BOY am I going to need to sit down and drink bc fucking hell the MISCHARACTERIZATION WILL FUCKING KILL ME.
Anyways, I hope you'll manage... to hang on.... somehow... lots of love anon <3
The "Hornton" was never meant to sound like a "good" nickname anyway. "Tsunotaro" is genuinely a silly little nickname so "Hornton" works just fine.
I wouldn't call it "whack ass lingo/slang" though. It's a majority of AAVE. But it's either used in unfitting situations or just not used properly at all. Cater of course being the biggest offender in the localisation, a lot of it feels forced/unnatural. But I get kinda 'ehhhh' seeing people call it 'cringey' JUST because it's AAVE. It's definitely overused and poorly handled though. IDK how to put it that's about it.
I think the TWST world is plenty modern tho. They have airplanes, phones, social media, etc. Plus it's established normal education and occupations exist, it's not like magic replaced everything. The only place it's genuinely predominant is Briar Valley.
The sisters thing with Cater is odd. Like it's made clear he says he's the "only brother" in his family. The "no siblings" thing is weird but I can see it as Cater being his usual swerve the topic self, but I feel like they could've just kept it at "brothers" and call it a day. Idia and Floyd I've seen a lot of comments on as well. But as far as Idia goes he's literally always been Just An Insufferable Redditor. Floyd saying "Yeet" is funny and that's about as much as I have to say bc I don't care enough for Octavinelle to investiage their TLs and them mistranslatiing Jade's countdown line is enough of a red flag for more.
It's a weird thing with changing "Doodle Suit" to "Paint the Roses". But IRC Toboso tweeted specifically about the translations for the UMs so???? Whomst knoweths. I know it's a localisation but they're just deadass making more work for themselves at this pointlk j;sdalgkjds.
The Sebek thing is absolutely fucking BONKERS to me.
Also a moment of silence for Rook and Vil. I may want to punt them across the country but them inevitably getting heterosexualised in the localisation is going to be painful. That's whole the point of how Vil changes his manner of speaking in Ghost Marriage. Replacing his 'atashi' with 'boku' and his more 'feminine' speech for talking Like A Straight Guy is the whole joke there.
I haven't dedicated much time to leveling stories, so I can't say a lot about how Scarabia's generally translated. All I know is that i like the "merciful sands" saying and that Jamil saying "that isn't alchemy, it's an atrocity" is the funniest shit. BUT from what I've seen Kalim's localisation is kinda. On the fence for me and the mouse has a gun pointed at him to have him say "oopsie doodles" or whatever the fuck. I understand these are teenagers with their own sayings and whatnot but also it is 2022.
Anyway TL;DR the Ep4 translation is going to be Pain and I Sense It In The Marrow Of Me Bones.
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lovee-infected · 4 years ago
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Sorry if I'm ranting but I'm just too sick of this...I don't know why but- at some point almost everyone in the twst fandoms seems to like fighting and attacking each other a lot... ;; Like- everyday is a new drama. Even the mischaracterization posts thingy too is still ongoing and I wonder if we'll ever get a single peaceful day in this fandom ): Why can't we just be a friendly and calm community?
Welp- to be back from hiatus after nearly a month and the first thing I see (AFTER MR. LIZARD) and get to seriously talk about is just more twst drama, LOL.
Honestly I just had no time to be online during my hiatus so best I could do was to take a quick look through the tags whenever I had the time to.
But just by taking a 5 minute look in through anything that popped in my dash I could still say...: This fandom has been as dramatic as ever.
Honestly bruh a lot had happened when I wasn't around, from the considerable amount of Scarabia discussions to the seriously concerning issue with had with nsfw fics with baby Cheka-
But the main thing which caught my attention was the trail of small yet considerable arguments between fans who stan different characters after the mischaracterization topic. It wasn't really a serious argument but still...it kinda got to me.
I'm not talking about any specific blogs it's just a thread I wanted to talk about in general.
To begin with, let me note that I've seen almost any kind of argues and rambles regarding the issue, from fans who are saying stuff like: 'How can people hate Vil while stanning JERKS like Azul and Leona!???', to those who are saying 'How can you all be so cruel about Jamil's overblot but excuse Vil and Azul's severe toxicity when they're openly harassing other students!?' and other stuff which I don't like to mention, some of the comments seriously went too far with insulting other fans.
Like for real...? Bruh.
We're here to talk. not to BITE each other.
This fandom is full of great content creators with brilliant thoughts and ideas but most of us just don't know how to talk and discuss issues with each other. Most of the conversation (especially the ones regarding misscharacterization) often end in arguments and having to block each other lolol.
Also, none of the twst characters are perfect. They have souls of villains, after all. There's a toxic and unhealthy side to all of them and we're all aware of this, so even if a characters like Leona (I'm talking about him just because due to statistics he's much and less of the the most popular character right now,) are being supported and defended more than the others, it's not like the fans are saying that he isn't guilty. It's just a matter of being more popular to due to design/personality/fans' tastes in general.
All in all, it's totally alright to speak up regarding how a character's personality (Vil's, Jamil's, etc) is being ignored and wrongly judged, but there's no need to take the blame on other fans who may stan and defend characters who are terribly toxic or even AWFUL. I'm not telling you to agree with what they say, I'm just saying it'll be way better if everyone just minds their own business and do and talk about what they like to without minding what others are saying. Even if others are wrong, ignoring them and just focusing whatever you enjoy doing is the best and somehow, the ONLY way to keep this fandom at least a bit calm and peaceful as it needs to be.
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