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portable-wing-wang · 5 years ago

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Gender, Sexuality & Me

Right, here goes.

I've never properly talked about my gender or sexuality on here and feel as if I need to clear things up for friends, family and even myself.

Of course I'm very gender positive, I think everyone should explore themselves thoroughly in order to better understand their place in this world. What I experience will be different from other people and I may even disagree with others who share my experience as everyone is different. Just good to clear the air before we continue.

My name is Will(iam) Kirton. I was born at 1:04 AM on the 10th of April 2000. I was born with male attributes and was such designated a "boy". I have little problem with this. A baby knows itself very little and cannot comprehend itself properly and so adults assign labels which, for the most part, do help with development as a child is introduced to social spaces (schools etc.).

When young, gender means little and so I thought little of it. I never felt apart or different from my schoolmates. I did however feel uncomfortable and didn't know why. Constantly feeling as if I wasn't explaining myself properly and getting confused easily. I was bullied for this by many of the other boys and when trying to defend myself, I was made an outcast. This led to me to very female dominated spaces.

I tried my hardest to join the other boys (as I thought I was supposed to) but time and time again, I'd be pushed away. I did, however, make good friends with a few boys a couple of which I'm still friends with today. But my fondest memories come from my friendships with the girls and how they shaped me as a person.

I didn't know it then but through them I began to question myself, sub-conciously at first but very soon after it started to dominate my thinking. By the age of 14 I knew something was off for sure, but I didn't know what, so I started researching to find an answer.

First, I started to look at trans-folk and see how they saw it."Trans," Such an illusive word. To me it seemed so simple to begin with. Someone wanted to be something else because they felt uncomfortable. I felt uncomfortable. "Maybe there's something in this?" I thought, so I kept digging here and there with little motivation until I was about 15 when GCSEs took over and I didn't have time to think about it much until the summer of 2016. The thoughts came back in a big way. Why? I started going to parties.

Now it may seem a little silly but getting drunk and forgetting to hide myself allowed me to express myself in ways I'd never had the chance to before. Mannerisms began to appear that I wasn't controlling intentionally. I started speaking differently, stopped feeling like I had to explain myself and started having fun. This was the next big step of my self-discovery.

I then started playing DnD. Now, laugh if you wish but I had a human bard character names Steve who I categorized as a projection of myself if a little exaggerated. While playing as Steve, those mannerisms I gained started to take over even when sober. This was the last proof I needed to know I was queer but I didn't know what labels to use. I settled with saying I just had "queer tendencies" and left it at that but I still felt uncomfortable when I wasn't playing Steve.

So, I'm definitely queer, that's for sure but what kind?

I'm researching properly now. And not just gender, but sexuality as well. Bi, pan, gay, ace, etc.. I looked up everything and kept finding new labels. To help ease my brain, I focused on sexuality first. I knew I liked girls but I also liked boys however both in different ways. I timidly said I was bi for a couple years and then came out properly soon after my 18th birthday. I felt comfortable. For now . . .

I was still, however, confused. I couldn't work out whether I was a boy or a girl and it kept making everything else seem so confusing. At this point (16 or so) most of my good friends were male, I was decent at sports and I had a big ol' bass voice. BOY, right?

But there was something still bugging me.

I couldn't figure it out. Not until the summer before Uni, something slipped into place. I had completed my A Levels, I was out as bi, my shitty friends had left me, all was good. Wrong. I was more tense than ever. All I could think about was gender. Gender this, gender that. Constantly thinking, even with the distraction of the Edinburgh Fringe. I was also listening to a lot of Steam Powered Giraffe who, of course, have a trans woman playing the "Rabbit" character. I was obsessed. I wanted to find out everything about her and luckily, she posted a whole set of videos cataloguing her transition and thoughts all the way through. Finally, someone was essentially saying to me clearly what "trans" actually meant. Things began to make sense. I knew then that I was probably not cis but i didn't really feel comfortable saying I was "fully" trans, if you get my meaning.

But then I went to Uni. I finally had a chance to express myself freely and boy oh boy, did I do just that. I became so much more feminine than I ever had been in my life. It was so freeing. But I still didn't feel trans.

Then, someone introduced me to the concept of being "non-binary". A new term. I hadn't heard of it before. Is it like being trans? Or something completely different. I dived in head-first and came out the other end with even more answers but so many more questions.

Finally, I took the plunge (I'm sorry for so many swimming metaphors).

One evening in February 2019 after Uni I was in the loo before a musicals rehearsal. I hadn't felt well all day and was wearing something particularly feminine and caught myself in the mirror. I studied myself for a good few minutes. Each detail, each curve, how my body felt and looked in the clothes I was wearing. I stood there staring. Luckily no one walked in on me.

And something just clicked. After so many years of worrying and tensing, I finally understood. I was genderqueer.

Now, I should explain (here I go again), I didn't just decide then and there. I few months prior, my new uni friend "tom" (she goes by a different name now) had introduced me to a youtuber called Contrapoints. Before anyone says anything, I know she's caused a lot of discourse but I don't feel as if this is the right time to make any cases. Anyway, she didn't used to be openly trans and used to go by the label genderqueer. At the time, she made a very comprehensive video explaining what is and what it meant for her.

It intrigued me so, naturally, I did some more research and found that it fit my situation quite adequately but I didn't feel comfortable falling myself "genderqueer" yet either.

For those who don't know, genderqueer is an umbrella term for a wide range of traits which are either predominantly female, male or androgynous. It doesn't necessarily have a perfect definition and can be different for anybody who identify themselves as such.

My own genderqueerness could be described as a complete rejection of the male binary and so I carry more female and androgynous traits. This affects the way I speak, move my body, dress and my perspective on greater society. I also experience gender dysphoria. Now, to some, this would mean I was most likely just trans and using this a stopping-point before going further. This I feel is not the case. Whilst I am made uncomfortable by my flat chest, copious hair and broad shoulders, I do not feel the same about my genitalia or Adam's apple.

There are also more political connotations with the term genderqueer over non-binary. Genderqueer is a lot more aggressive but it gets the point across more clearly but I wouldn't say I wasn't non-binary. In fact, I think they're one and the same in practice but I do use my identity as a statement and so the genderqueer label feels more appropriate.

So yeah, I came out as genderqueer that February evening. First to my partner, then my friends and only now, almost a year later, am I attempting with my family.

I am so much happier for it too. I kept myself hidden for so long and have only now started to just accept myself and give in to the voice in my head telling me to let go. I'm much more relaxed too. Since coming out and using more neutral and even feminine pronouns, my dysphoria has become less of an issue. I still get it and I have bad days of course but for the first time in a long time, things are looking up.

I can't change the world, but I've been able to find myself in it more clearly and that helps a bunch.

TL;DR: I'm genderqueer. I'm bisexual. I've been out for a considerable time now and feeling better because of it.

Anyway, if you did read the whole thing, thank you. I'm not saying this'll be the same forever but this is me now and I'm still breathing so come get me world!

Feel free to reblog this, I hope it helps others realise themselves too.

#me #portable wing wang #queer #genderqueer #nonbinary #bisexual #lgbtqia+#rant #sorry it was long

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jenniferdiazisatransgirl · 8 years ago

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Marco Diaz Is (Not) Cis Male Masterpost

THESE POSTS ARE AIMED TO DEBUNK CIS MARCO EVIDENCE AND SHOW THAT THEY DO NOT DISPROVE THE TRANS MARCO THEORY.

So this is my Masterpost detailing all the evidence that points towards Marco Diaz of “Star Vs The Forces of Evil” being cis male and debunking that evidence. If I have missed out any evidence please let me know.

(Right now I am binge watching through the episodes again to collect this evidence so if an episode isn’t up yet I haven’t reached it)

Disclaimer: For those who believe Marco is cis male, you are fine to keep believing that and I am not trying to change your mind. This is largely for those who take some sort of weird offence to the Trans Marco Theory and purposely go out of their way to attack it. If you wish to partake in some polite discourse over the theories I am happy to do so and after we can go our own separate ways believing what we wish.

Enjoy :)

Season 1

Star Comes to Earth

1. “Marco says they are a “Misunderstood bad boy” and gets defensive about being called “the safe kid”.“

Right, so a lot of this is gonna be me inputting my own perspective as a trans person. Back in high school I constantly claimed to be a gangster, not that women can’t be gangsters but at the time that wasn’t the image I had in my head. I was imagining me being this bulked up masculine guy carrying a gun and I’m sure you can imagine the rest. I was quite obviously nothing of the sort but this image of being a big tough gangster was one I wanted to show to the world. Guess why? I was overcompensating. If anyone called me anything other than a gangster, I’d get defensive because I was insecure about my masculinity. At night when I went to bed I prayed God would let me wake up the next morning a girl. Yet at school, to my peers I portrayed a very different persona. I remember there was actually a kid who was gay in my year and up until I came out I was very sure to put a distance between me and that guy. I hate to say it but I was pretty horrible to him. I have since apologised but I still regret my behaviour.

Marco’s adamants that they are a “misunderstood bad boy” feels very parallel to the fact I was adamant I was a “gangster” back in high school. I was 11 years old, like I even owned a gun XD

2. “Marco is referred to by male pronouns throughout this episode, even referring to themselves by male pronouns.”

Yes, they are. I seem to remember for 14-15 years of my own life being referred to by male pronouns and referring to myself by male pronouns. It was called being in the closet.

3. “Marco presents as male throughout this episode.”

As did I for 20 years of my life. Plus just cos someone has their hair cut short and doesn’t wear feminine attire doesn’t mean they can’t identify as female. I know some cis women who have short hair and wear men’s clothes and very much identify as female.

Party with Pony to School Spirit

1. “Marco is once again consistently referred to by male pronouns and doesn’t object to this.”

So as said in my last post, this could just simply mean they are in the closet and doesn’t disprove the Trans Marco Theory.

2. “Marco is once again presenting as male.”

And again could just mean they are in the closet and doesn’t disprove the Trans Marco Theory.

Monster Arm

1. “Marco doesn’t want Star to give them pigtails.”

Marco doesn’t actually say “No” to this, but kinda groans in resignation and personally I feel that was more at the fact that Star didn’t feel comfortable fixing Marco’s arm as opposed to the prospect of getting pigtails. I don’t really feel like Marco cared about the pigtails either way. Sure, being okay with having pigtails doesn’t make a guy trans but it doesn’t make them cis either.

2. “They showed Marco nipples. Disney wouldn’t show Marco’s nipples if they are trans.”

So yes, as a rule Disney will not show the nipples of a female character. I can quite easily get behind this point. However Disney has never had an openly trans character and if Marco being trans does become canon, it will surely cause controversy so maybe Disney and those making the show would just not want to draw suspicion.

Also I’ll be honest, in concept I do think Marco was probably intended to be cis male, I mean Daron Nefcy based Marco on her husband, which unless this is some strange way for Daron’s husband to come out of the closet most likely means Marco was intended to be a cis male character. However as shows or any work of fiction is made it will undergo development which no one really expected at the beginning. Additionally “Star Vs The Forces of Evil” is a storyboard driven show which I imagine gives more fluidity to what the end result of the show will be in comparison to its original concept.

My basic point here is I feel for most of Season 1 Marco was being coded as cis male and the trans coding started later on, somewhere between the end of Season 1 and the start of Season 2.

Characters evolve and become their own as a show or work of fiction develops.

3. “Marco is once again consistently referred to by male pronouns and doesn’t object to this.”

So as said in my last post, this could just simply mean they are in the closet and doesn’t disprove the Trans Marco Theory.

4. “Marco is once again presenting as male.”

And again could just mean they are in the closet and doesn’t disprove the Trans Marco Theory.

The Other Exchange Student

1. “Marco is once again presenting as male.”

And again could just mean they are in the closet and doesn’t disprove the Trans Marco Theory.

Cheer Up, Star

1. “Marco’s ringtone is ironic. They say so in the show.”

They actually more of protest that is ironic. Like in reality they like “Space Unicorn” but they are worried what people will think if they admit it due to it being viewed as a feminine thing to like. And we found out in the recent live chats Marco does in fact like “Space Unicorn”. Doesn’t necessarily mean they are trans but doesn’t mean they are cis either. It does prove they are insecure about having a feminine interest.

2. Following on from the last point, “Boys can like feminine things too.”

True and simultaneously it can be an indication of someone being trans. In reality it isn’t solid evidence either way and so doesn’t prove Marco is cis, nor does it prove they are trans either.

3. “Marco is once again presenting as male.”

And again could just mean they are in the closet and doesn’t disprove the Trans Marco Theory.

Quest Buy

1. “Marco is once again presenting as male.”

And again could just mean they are in the closet and doesn’t disprove the Trans Marco Theory.

Diaz Family Vacation

1. “Marco goes for a whizz in the woods and says, “Nothing makes you feel more like a man than taking a whizz in the woods.” If Marco were trans there is no way they’d take a whizz in the woods.“

So firstly, the line where Marco says, “Nothing makes you feel more like a man than taking a whizz in the woods.” This really sounds like overcompensation to me, that or it is a very pointless line of information I really don’t want to know.

As for the latter point, I am really speaking from my own experience here as I know there are some people who would rather hold it than use even public facilities but from my own experience, before I had surgery standing to go to the loo was a convenience especially if I was hiking or something where there were no facilities. I additionally don’t really pass so I generally feel safer in the men’s toilets and back before I had surgery, I liked to be in and out of the toilet as quickly as possible as I still do and so a lot of the time I used the urinals. It was just quicker and more convenient. Didn’t mean I liked having that anatomy.

And sorry if that was a bit TMI on my toilet habits.

2. “Marco is once again presenting as male.”

And again could just mean they are in the closet and doesn’t disprove the Trans Marco Theory.

Brittney’s Party

1. “Marco is once again consistently referred to by male pronouns and doesn’t object to this.”

So as said in my last post, this could just simply mean they are in the closet and doesn’t disprove the Trans Marco Theory.

2. “Marco is once again presenting as male.”

And again could just mean they are in the closet and doesn’t disprove the Trans Marco Theory.

Mewberty

1. “Marco consistently is gendered as male in this show and the one time they aren’t they protest.”

Now this is where I feel it gets a little more interesting. So this episode puts a lot of emphasis on Marco being a “boy” but at the same time I feel it doesn’t.

So very early on you get Star realising she is going through Mewberty and she tells Marco they need to keep her away from boys before realising “Wait, Marco’s a boy.” At this Marco backs away nervously, which can be attributed to being nervous about what Star’s Mewberty will entail so fine. But after this point Star really seems to disregard Marco as a boy and I know I am going into a theory that has been said before. But when Star acknowledges Marco as a boy she still seems semi-aware of everything. Then Marco touches her about a minute later which causes this purple stuff to fire from her hands. To me that struck me as more a defence reflex than attraction, like there is a rival female who needs to be dealt with. We see something similar a bit later when Marco is trying to protect the other boys of the school, Star pushes Marco against a locker with this purple stuff, before being distracted by Oskar and it feels more like Star trying to get Marco out of the way than kidnap them like the other boys in the school. It really did feel like Star was disregarding Marco as a boy for most of the episode and instead viewing them as a threat, making me think Star saw them as a rival female.

And here is where I touch onto the theory that I have seen brought up before, maybe there is something magical that lets magical beings determine gender beyond genetics and pheromones, etc cos we then have Glossaryck call Marco “m'lady”, Marco protests but Glossaryck adds “Could have fooled me.” It really makes me feel their is something magical that lets magical beings determine gender beyond genetics and pheromones, etc.

As for Marco protesting to being called “m'lady”, back when I was younger and closeted I used to protest if anyone called me a girl so it proves nothing.

2. “Marco was once again presenting as male in this episode.”

And again could just mean they are in the closet and doesn’t disprove the Trans Marco Theory.

Pixtopia

1. “Marco is once again consistently referred to by male pronouns and doesn’t object to this.”

So as said in my last post, this could just simply mean they are in the closet and doesn’t disprove the Trans Marco Theory.

2. “Marco is once again presenting as male.”

And again could just mean they are in the closet and doesn’t disprove the Trans Marco Theory.

Lobster Claws

1. Marco is once again presenting as male throughout this episode.

As stated before, this means very little and could just mean they are still in the closet and we now also know that Marco hates choosing pants each morning, which given Marco wears the same pants everyday with the exception of special occasions suggests there is perhaps something else Marco would prefer to wear but chooses not too. This decision seems to be so painstaking they are jealous of Pony Head for not having legs.

2. Marco continues to be consistently continues to be referred to by male pronouns and doesn’t once object.

Again, this means nothing. It could just simply mean they are still in the closet.

Sleep Spells

1. Marco is once again presenting as male throughout this episode.

As stated before, this means very little and could just mean they are still in the closet.

2. Marco continues to be consistently continues to be referred to by male pronouns and doesn’t once object.

Again, this means nothing. It could just simply mean they are still in the closet.

Freeze Day

1. “Marco is shown as being an elderly man when jumping across the Time stream.”

I kinda imagine this just instantly ages or makes people younger with no real consideration for what course their lives will take in the future, therefore I feel this has no baring on the direction that Marco’s life will take.

2. “Marco presents as male throughout this episode once again.”

Again this could just mean Marco is still in the closet. Just to add additional Marco could possibly be non-binary or gender fluid. Either way it doesn’t prove Marco is cis.

Royal Pain

1. “Marco is once again presenting as male.”

And again could just mean they are in the closet and doesn’t disprove the Trans Marco Theory.

Blood Moon Ball

1. “Marco presents as male throughout this entire episode.”

Once again, they could simply still be in the closet or they are non-binary/genderfluid. This does not disprove Marco is trans.

Fortune Cookies

1. “Marco presents as male throughout this entire episode.”

Once again, they could simply still be in the closet or they are non-binary/genderfluid. This does not disprove Marco is trans.

2. “Marco is referred to by male pronouns and doesn’t object once.”

Unless I missed anything Ferguson calls Marco “man” once, I can’t remember the exact line but something like “Man, don’t mess with the power of the fortune cookies.” Sometimes when speaking like this people use the terms “man”, “dude” and “guy” indiscriminately regardless of gender. Plus Marco could be in the closet still and therefore wouldn’t object.

Mewnipendence Day

1. “Marco continues to present as male in this episode.”

Again, could just mean they are in the closet.

The Banagic Incident

1. “Marco continues to present as male.”

2. “Marco is referred to by male pronouns and doesn’t object.”

Both could mean Marco is in closet and nothing more. Does not disprove trans Marco.

Interdimensional Field Trip

1. “Marco continues to present as male in this ep”

Again, just could me they are in the closet.

Marco Grows A Beard

1. “Marco wants a beard.”

True, but they could have simply been doing this to fit in and it did largely look like their end goal was to impress Jackie. Also I can’t really put it into words right now but in the end with the hair growing out of control, it felt like that was a metaphor for something. I’m still trying to put it into words in my head though.

Also something noticed this time round is Star uses one of the laser puppies to break through the hair and I might be overthinking it but laser hair removal instantly entered my mind.

2. “Marco continues to present as male throughout this episode.”

Could just be in the closet and doesn’t mean they aren’t trans.

St. Olga’s Reform School For Wayward Princesses

1. “Marco only wore the dress because they were forced to and wanted to be disguised as one of the cool guards.”

True but I feel like if Marco wanted to be disguised as one of the guards that badly and objected to being disguised as a Princess they would have objected more. Plus by the end Marco was concerned as to whether they would be allowed to keep the dress (something we know from “Heinous” and one of the live chats they did keep)“ and Marco did legitimately seem a hell of a lot more comfortable in the Princess dress. I mean this bit of dialogue between Pony Head and Marco;

“Pony Head: Oh, I gotta! I can’t let what happened to me happen to anyone else! [To Marco] Right, Princess Turdina?

Marco: Get on with your bad self, my wayward sister!”

I have never seen Marco be quite that sassy or confident throughout the show. Marco very quickly assimilates into that role and doesn’t seem at all awkward. Like I said, they seem more confident to me than Marco in male gender role.

2. “Marco doesn’t object to female pronouns to keep up their disguise.”

For some of the show, yes I can agree with this but later when with the other princesses and they have gained control of the school, Marco no longer has reason to keep up to that disguise yet even in that moment refers to themselves as a “wayward sister”, not once but twice and with no hesitation as if it comes across naturally and for once, it doesn’t even feel like Marco is exaggerating or forcing it like they do with their “I’m misunderstood bad boy” line.

Storm the Castle

1. “Marco present as male throughout this episode,”

Could just mean they are in the closet. Moving on.

2. “Marco is referred to by male pronouns throughout this episode and doesn’t protest once.”

The one time I saw this happen they weren’t present to protest unless I missed anything. And just to cover all bases, they could just be in the closet.

Season 1 Summary

So the main things I have noticed through Season 1 to indicate that Marco is cis male, is that they consistently get referred to by male pronouns and objects to being called by female pronouns with the exception of the St. O’s episode.

This doesn’t necessarily mean Marco is cis though and could just mean they are in the closet.

Additionally Marco seems quite insecure about their masculinity, during the St. O’s episode they continue to be referred to and refer to themselves by female pronouns past the point where their disguise is necessary and also despite being initially forced to disguise themselves as a princess, by the end they were concerned as to whether they could keep the dress or not and seemed quite comfortable in their female gender role.

All this indicating to me that they are quite possibly trans.

Season 2

My New Wand

1. “Plenty of guy cover themselves with a towel in the same way Marco does in this episode.”

Okay, admittedly I have nothing on this point. But just cos plenty of guys do it, it doesn’t prove Marco is cis.

Just one point I’d like to add though that someone pointed out a while back. In this season they apparently put in a lot of effort into keeping Marco’s chest covered. I mean I believe Marco was originally meant to be a cis male character and this changed somewhere during Season 1 (roughly between “Cheer Up, Star” and “Diaz Family Vacation”). Disney would avoid showing female chests due to being a children’s media outlet and in this episode we see already, Marco has a towel covering their chest and then when in the closet they very quickly cover up their chest once again. Also they make sure the frame of the closet door blocks out most of their chest during the point their towel has been stripped away. I’m gonna see if this continues through this season. I already know two places where this rule doesn’t seem to apply but I’ll tackle that when I reach those episodes.

2. “Marco on wore women’s clothes in the closet due to lack of choice.”

Yeah, it is Star’s secrets closet so arguably only Star’s clothes will be in there. Still doesn’t prove Marco is cis though.

3. “The whole Marco in the closet thing was meant to be taken literally and not as a metaphor.”

I know at present no writer will confirm this one way or another but my basic argument here is; just like me you don’t work on the show so you can’t say this definitively just like I can’t. And metaphor or not, Marco could still be trans.

4. “Marco is referred to by male pronouns throughout this episode and does not object once.”

Well duh, Marco was in the closet the entire episode XD See what I did there?

But in all seriousness this could simply mean Marco is in the closet and does not prove or disprove one way or the other.

Ludo in the Wild

Marco is absent from this episode. No evidence either way.

Mr Candle Cares

1. “Marco saying they want to be Queen was a gag that wasn’t meant to be taken seriously.”

It is possible but again not being a writer in the show you cannot say this definitively. Plus as a one off gag it would probably have gone “Man, I’d love to be Queen” and ended there but Marco seems to have some pretty vivid ideas of what being a Queen would entail and what it would mean to them. This leads me to believe it was a more serious line. It also revealed a few of Marco’s insecurities in the process. So I sort of feel this line was meant to be taken seriously from my personal perspective.

Plus Marco brings up the fact they’d never have to choose an outfit again and people would do that for them. Marco wears the same outfit everyday yet they seemingly find the task of picking this same outfit so painstaking they’d rather have someone choosing clothes for them. Strikes me as a tad odd.

2. “Marco continues to present as male throughout this episode.”

Simply could mean they are still in the closet.

3. “Marco continues to be referred to by male pronouns throughout this episode.”

Could simply mean they are still in the closet.

Red Belt

1. “Marco being horrified they are wearing a suit was meant as a one off gag.”

Again it is possible however not being a writer of the show you cannot say this definitively. Also Marco visibly moves their hands towards their neck as if they find the idea of being buried in a suit suffocating. Doesn’t necessarily point to dysphoria but it is quite a strong reference especially given this was shown in the context of a “stuck in life” dream, something we know Marco has commonly enough to have told Star.

2. “Marco continues to present as male in this episode.”

Could just mean they are in the closet.

3. “Marco is referred to by male pronouns throughout this episode and doesn’t protest once.”

Could just mean they are in the closet still.

Star On Wheels

1. “Marco is consistently referred to by male pronouns in this episode”

Could just mean they are in the closet.

2. “Marco presents as male in this episode.”

Could just mean they are in the closet.

3. “Glossaryck only calls Marco by the name Margo to be annoying”

I’ll be honest that I do not like the name Margo, in all honesty I would prefer Marco to just remain Marco. But nonetheless, Glossaryck is an infinitely knowledgeable magical being and although it is possible that Glossaryck is just being a jerk to Marco, it is possible that Margo, a French feminine name will be Marco’s future name. And even if Glossaryck is just being a jerk it does not prove that Marco is cis.

Fetch

1. “The dog was never a metaphor for dysphoria.”

I’ll be honest I have never fully bought into this idea either however I can see where people who support this idea come from. Plus the dog was like misgendered as male the entire episode before finally speaking. And the whole trying to quiet their mind thing. I can see where those who believe this come from and even if it wasn’t a metaphor, it still doesn’t disprove Marco being trans.

2. “Marco presents as male throughout this episode.”

Could be in the closet still.

3. “Marco is consistently referred to by male pronouns in this episode and doesn’t object.”

Could just mean they are in the closet still.

Star Vs Echo Creek to Girls’ Day Out

1. “Marco presents as male throughout this episode.”

Could just mean they are in the closet.

2. “Marco is referred to by male pronouns throughout this episode and does not object once.”

Could just mean they are in the closet.

Sleepover

1. “Marco continues to present as male in this episode.”

Could just mean they are in the closet.

2. “Marco continues to be referred to by male pronouns with no objection.”

Could just mean they are in the closet.

3. “The secret Marco doesn’t want to share is that they have a crush on Jackie.”

So if we merely take this episode on its own maybe you have a point, however I do normally do this in order but I am going to reference some future episodes in my evidence here. Even after revealing their crush on Jackie the very next episode reveals Marco continues to have secrets they wish to keep to themselves when they buy a magically locking wallet. They also continue to have insecurities they keep secret all the way up to “Naysaya” and something has me convinced that those weren’t all Marco’s insecurities/secrets, for example after everything had been said another insecurity popped up while Marco was with Jackie at the cinema in that episode.

My main point here though is Marco seems to be a very secretive person and they are bound to have more than one secret. Whether this means Marco is trans is up for debate but their crush on Jackie clearly isn’t their only secret.

Gift of the Card

1. “Marco is a guy who just likes feminine things.”

It is a possible explanation for why Marco likes pink ballet pumps however it doesn’t prove they are cis.

2. “Marco is only referred to by female pronouns during this episode due to the disguise they wore at St. O’s.”

Okay, this works for the villains; Ms. Heinous, Gemini and Rasticore however it doesn’t work for other characters. Janna seems unfazed when Rasticore asks for the location of “Princess Marco” and she was paying attention as evident by the line “Why did you ask when you already knew the answer.” Also a bit later the sloth at Customer Service goes to Star “Sorry dude” disregarding Marco as male for a second before going “Dudes” while staring at Marco. It’s also so subtle I wouldn’t even call it a gag, I honestly didn’t notice watching it first time round. Finally, both Star and Marco don’t even bother correcting Rasticore when he calls them both Princesses, maybe they were just in shock but there did seem to be a theme here.

3. “There could be other explanations beside dysphoria as to why Marco doesn’t feel comfortable shopping in public.”

True but this still doesn’t prove Marco is cis.

Friendenemies

1. “Marco presents as male throughout this episode.”

Could just mean they are in the closet.

2. “Marco was only called “girl” because it was in the lyrics of the song Tom was singing.“

True but this song was written for the show meaning the choice of wording was deliberate, Marco’s second favourite song or not.

Is Mystery

Marco Diaz was absent during this episode.

Hungry Larry

1. “The meaningless reference to gender with Janna and Star was a one off gag.”

I’ll be honest, I do personally agree with this, it did come off as a gag to me, especially considering Marco wasn’t present however it does not prove that Marco is cis.

2. “You’re reading too much into this episode and even if Marco’s Dad does feel inadequate as a father this could be for other reasons.”

True but it still doesn’t prove Marco is cis.

3. “Marco presents as male throughout this episode.”

Karate uniform is arguably unisex but they could just be in the closet.

Spider with a Top Hat

1. “Spider with a Top Hat was not a metaphor for dysphoria and you are reading too much into it.”

Seen as neither of us our writers on the show, neither of us can definitively say this and even if we could it doesn’t prove Marco isn’t trans.

2. “Marco presents as male during this episode.”

Could just mean they are in the closet.

Into the Wand

1. “Marco presents as male throughout this episode.”

Well for most of this episode it isn’t the real Marco and for the one small part it is the real Marco, this could just mean they are in the closet.

Pizza Thing

1. “Marco being called by female pronouns and feminine names is just part of a running gag.”

Hmmmm, in this episode I guess it is kinda possible but still doesn’t prove Marco is cis.

2. “Marco didn’t want to wear make-up and was just insecure about being called out on how they look.”

Again, possible but doesn’t prove Marco is cis.

3. “Marco presents as male throughout this episode.”

This could just mean that Marco is in the closet and doesn’t prove they are cis.

Page Turner

1. “Marco is excited about getting their first chest hair.”

Okay it is possible that as a cis male Marco could be excited about this but in my honest opinion it struck me as a bit over the top and like Marco was overcompensating a little. Granted it is me self-projecting here but back when I was a young teen I was one of the first in “guys” my year to start going through puberty (I was about 11 years old) and at the time I took pride in that, as it made me feel more “normal”.

Granted, it is not solid evidence Marco is trans but it does strike me as overcompensating a little to get so excited about one chest hair. And it isn’t the over compensation, lets go back to “Diaz Family Vacation”, “Nothing makes you feel more like a man than taking a wiz in the woods” of however the line went. Not to mention that line was very unnecessary and just brought to attention Marco doing a bodily function I really didn’t care to hear about.

2. “Marco presents as male throughout this episode.”

Could just mean they are in the closet.

Naysaya

1. “Marco’s insecurities were just a gag.”

I highly doubt this seen as one was referenced all the way back in “Mr Candle Cares” (Marco’s fear of bathing alone), something Daron Nefcy said when asked about it that the reason would be revealed later in the season, so either Nefcy was screwing with the fan base or the insecurity has plot significance. Additionally this is a long list of insecurities which strikes me as something to be taken seriously as opposed to laughed at.

2. “If Marco is trans the Naysaya would have said it.”

It is possible Marco doesn’t realise they are trans and has insecurities they are as of yet unaware of. It is shown at the end of the episode a new insecurity appear when Marco and Jackie are at the cinema together.

3. “Marco presents as male during this episode.”

Could just mean they are in the closet.

4. “Marco goes by male pronouns throughout this episode.”

Could just mean they are in the closet.

Bon Bon the Birthday Clown

1. “Marco wears a cologne that translates to “Smell of Man”.“

This strikes me as overcompensating. Back when I was young I used to wear Lynx (or Axe as it is known in America and in mainland Europe) deodorant all the time to prove I was manly. It could just mean Marco is insecure about their masculinity but it strikes me as an overcompensation as opposed to proof Marco is cis male. I did notice that interestingly enough Marco passed over putting on the deodorant with the hella huge muscles on. Perhaps Marco is simply wearing cologne to the dance cos it is a special occasion but at the same time maybe they feel more feminine (assuming they are trans) putting on cologne as opposed deodorant so recently switched over. Hmmmm, I actually know of an episode I could look at to test that theory.

2. “Marco is simply a teenage boy insecure about their appearance which is why they cover the mirror while they shower and their body afterwards.”

Possible, but it doesn’t prove Marco isn’t trans. Plus let’s assume Marco is cis, if I were a cis guy insecure about my body I imagine wanting to look at myself to look for signs of improvement. I mean sure probably make Marco feel worse about themselves but if they are cis and it is basic insecurities related to be slow going through puberty, in time that issue will rectify itself. Flip side though, if Marco doesn’t want to go through that male puberty, I can and know I would want to hide my body in that scenario.

I could be wrong about this though, I’m speaking from my own perspective. Just to say on the flip side though, when I started on estrogen, despite still hating my body at the time I finally started looking as I wanted to spot the changes.

3. “Marco was answering for Jackie regarding the corsage.”

Well that would be kinda rude and doesn’t really strike me as the sort of thing Marco would do. Again this is me self-projecting a little but when I first started acknowledging myself (in my head at least) as female, my brain got very gender confused with day to day conversation. I’d accidentally mishear things when gender was within the sentence and sometimes felt what I was hearing was a jab at or at least directed at me cos my brain was struggling to process keeping one gender identity hidden while expressing a totally different one to the public. Don’t really know if this made any sense but Marco’s reaction in this scene seemed very like ones I made early on in my acknowledgment that I might be trans.

I really hope this paragraph made sense.

4. Just cos I know it has been said “Disney won’t have Marco date a girl if they are also going to be trans.”

So I am tempted to agree with this statement, due to the level of controversy it will cause I am guessing Marco will either be GB or T. However this is what I am guessing.

Regardless though, Marco is right now presenting as male and therefore to keep portraying the straight person Marco will for the time being at least be dating girls assuming the plan is to have them come out as trans eventually. And when that time comes around there are many a ways to reasonably explain Marco’s change of attraction to guys. And this is all assuming Disney wades into controversy as opposed to diving in at the deep end. Who knows, as unlikely as it maybe the House of Mouse may surprise us. Granted it was only background characters but the number of same-sex kisses in “Just Friends” struck me as more than I was expecting.

5. “Marco and Jackie doing the “Titanic” scene with Marco as the girl and Jackie as the guy was just a gag.“

Okay, not sure if this argument has ever been made but just to cover all bases, maybe. And maybe it is just a hint at Jarco’s future as a ship. In fact I think that is the most popular argument for this scene. Why didn’t I use that? Okay, I am guessing that argument is pretty much the nail on the head though.

6. “Glossaryck calling Marco “m'lady” was clearly a gag as he also called Ludo “m'lady”.“

Okay, so I now have a theory here. So perhaps this is just a running gag which if it is I kinda dislike. However the book is meant for magical princesses. Glossaryck makes this clear in Mewberty. What if when the book is open those two times Glossaryck senses the book if in another person’s possession and that is just like his go to greeting? He goes straight into it without really paying attention. Just a theory. Also if this were the case, when Marco says “I’m not a m'lady”, Marco says it quite defensively, Ludo just says it nonchalantly. Also Glossaryck gives Marco a good look up and down before saying, “You could have fooled me.” Now I know some people may view this as offensive, but without Marco really being confirmed trans canonically and the fact we don’t fully know the extent of Glossaryck’s powers yet, I am reserving judgement.

7. “Marco wears a suit in this episode.”

I wore a suit to my Prom. It was fun occasion and I had a laugh with my mates, we joked about how we looked like we were in the Mafia and we took a group photo that looked like it was from an office sitcom.

Also in comparison to the earlier “stuck in life” dream, Prom and any school dance (this being a generic school dance I am guessing) is just a snap shot of your life, in comparison to the being buried in a suit which is effectively immortalising Marco as male. The two scenarios are quite different.

Raid The Cave

1. “The scene transition that places Marco in the role of a princess is not evidence that Marco is trans.”

So the scene transition I am referring to is the bit where Star and Marco are in Star’s room, Star holding her wand in the air like a sword and Marco just behind her. The scene then transitions to Buff Frog reading a book with what I am assuming is a prince and a princess in a similar pose, Marco being in the position of the princess.

Anyway yeah, perhaps not super solid evidence of trans Marco and maybe it is simply just a gag, but it doesn’t prove Marco is cis either.

2. “Marco is referred to by male pronouns in this episode.”

So one of the Alternative Monsters calls Marco “dude” but in all honesty they struck me as the type of person to call people dude indiscriminately.

But Marco could simply just be in the closet.

3. “Marco presented as male throughout this episode.”

Marco could simply just be in the closet.

Trickstar

1. “Marco being called Jennifer was just a gag.”

Maybe so but it seems an oddly specific name for a gag. Even if it was a gag though, it doesn’t prove Marco is cis.

2. “Marco was visibly sad when they were called Jennifer.”

Okay, so as far as I am aware I came up with theory that Jennifer is Marco’s preferred name and this is the explanation I have for this. So Marco being sad didn’t sit right with me for a while as it did seem to be a spanner in this being used as evidence, but then we also have to think of the timing of this episode.

2 episodes prior Marco got with Jackie in the episode “Bon Bon the Birthday Clown” and something tells me Marco isn’t really even out to themselves yet, maybe just in that discovery stage of not quite understanding why they want to be a girl and not even knowing that it is possible for them to be themselves. My point here is though, Marco is probably not reach that point where they are like “I’m trans” and therefore probably just trying to be a man for Jackie.

So let’s say I’m right, Marco is suppressing the girl within to be a man for Jackie, but in Marco’s wallet is something that has their preferred name on and Preston sees this and calls Marco by it assuming it is their name (which technically it is but you know what I’m getting at). Suddenly Marco has this reminder of what they are suppressing which brings a wave of sadness which they quickly suppress again.

Now, granted this is conjecture and I’m not gonna claim this is canon and correct. All I’m doing is providing an explanation for what might be going on.

Yes, it is possible Marco just hates the fact they have just been called by a girls name but the above is possible too.

But just to add, the number of times in the show Marco has been called by female pronouns with no reaction (and I am not referring to St. O’s here) and it is this name after getting with Jackie that finally elicits a response. Doesn’t that strike you as a little odd.

3. “Marco presents as male during this episodes.”

Could just mean they are in the closet.

Baby

1. “Marco presents as male throughout this episode.”

Could just mean they are in the closet.

Running with Scissors

Please refer to this post.

Mathmagic

1. “Just cos their is a boy version of Star doesn’t mean there is a girl version of Marco.”

The many worlds theory would have to disagree with you.

2. “Even if there is a girl version of Marco that doesn’t necessarily mean Marco is trans.”

Okay, for the timeline of Star and Marco this follows this could very well be true, but somewhere there will be a parallel where Marco definitely is trans.

3. “Marco is just anxious about being called to the front of the class by Star.”

Okay, so I have admitted Marco’s social anxiety isn’t 100% proof that Marco is trans but Marco has on repeated occasions been shown to have social anxiety of some sort. “Gift of the Card” being a good example. Marco is and has shown to be pretty good at mathematics, getting an A+ on a paper in Miss Skullnick’s class during “Match Maker”. Not to mention Star would be at the front of the class with them in this scenario. Strikes me as odd this situation would cause Marco so much anxiety that they hide behind a book instead of helping their best friend.

Also the second time Marco is called up in this episode they just seem fed up as opposed to anxious.

4. “Marco presents as male throughout this episode.”

Could just mean they are in the closet.

5. “Marco is referred to male pronouns and titles throughout this episode.”

Again could just mean they are in the closet. Also just going back to a previous point. Marco seemed anxious when Star called them up to the front of the class but when Miss Skullnick said, “Mr Diaz, it’s your turn.” They instead seemed more fed up. Fed up at being called Mr Diaz maybe?

The Bounce Lounge

1. “Marco being called a lady by the pirates was a gag.”

It is possible but isn’t proof Marco is cis.

2. “Marco presents as male throughout this episode.”

Could just mean they are in the closet.

Crystal Clear

1. “If magical beings do not see Marco as male, then how come Rhombulus called Marco by male pronouns.”

So the entire thing of magical objects and beings viewing Marco as female or at the very least disregarding Marco as male is just a theory. Regardless though Rhombulus is one of few to have called them by male pronouns, plus although he knows little about Marco thinking they might be a servant, maybe he is aware that Marco is referred to by male pronouns from his position on the Magical High Commission. Maybe.

The entire magical beings/objects viewing Marco as female or at the very disregarding them as male is just a theory though.

2. “Marco is referred to by male pronouns throughout this episode.”

Disregarding the previous point, Rhombulus has never met Marco before and can easily be perceived as male throughout this episode. Plus being frozen in crystal, it isn’t like Marco had an opportunity to correct him.

3. “Marco presents as male throughout this episode.”

I feel Marco’s outfit in this episode is pretty gender neutral but regardless, Marco could still be in the closet.

The Hard Way

Marco isn’t present during this episode.

Heinous

1. “Marco is only referred to by female pronouns cos Ms. Heinous knows Marco as female.”

So yes, Ms. Heinous knows Marco as Princess Marco and maybe Star and Marco can’t be bothered to correct her. Doesn’t really explain why Marco’s parents don’t correct her though. I mean at one point they even refer to Marco as their son in a private discussion but don’t correct Ms. Heinous once.

2. “Marco only wears the Princess dress because they are forced too.”

Once again, yes Marco is forced to wear the dress, however in front of the camera when Star does Marco’s blush, Marco asked how they look showing some concern for their appearance in their female persona. Also at the end of the episode Marco asked if they can keep wearing the dress for the game night. It is hard to hear cos it is when they are kinda celebrating and going “Alright” but if you listen closely you can hear them say it.

3. “Marco could just be a cross dresser.”

This is possible. Some (not all) cross dressers do identify themselves as being trans though.

4. “Marco could just be a guy who likes feminine things.”

Also possible but it does not disprove Marco being trans.

All Belts Are Off

1. “Disney would not show Marco’s bare chest if Marco were trans.”

Okay, so the the last time this happened was during “My New Wand” where Marco quickly covered up their chest and then before that, it was very early in Season 1.

Anyway, in Season 1 when it happened I made the argument that I didn’t feel like Marco was being written as trans at that point. I could be wrong but I’m pretty certain Marco was originally meant to be written as cis male and from my perspective, watching through evidence indicating otherwise starts appearing around “Cheer Up, Star” onwards.

Past this point that argument falls through though and honestly, all I can do here is theorise but my argument is, Disney has never done trans representation and although it is true they do not show bare female chests in Disney as far as the audience is concerned right now, Marco is male. It’s also not 100% known if this is a legit plot arc where Marco will eventually come out as trans or a group of writers/storyboard artists sneaking bits and bobs in that back up the trans Marco theory.

In all honesty, the way I see it is that there are so many unknowns and what ifs for this to be constituted as evidence. After all, trans representation in Disney is uncharted waters.

2. “Marco presents as male throughout this episode.”

Arguably the karate uniform is unisex but regardless this could just mean Marco is in the closet.

3. “Marco is referred to as male throughout this episode.”

Again, this could just mean they are in the closet.

Collateral Damage

1. “Your theory that this is a metaphor for a future trans Marco plot line is far fetched and grasping at straws.”

I will happily admit this. It was just me theorising but I will admit that particular theory was pretty weak.

2. “Marco presents as male throughout this episode.”

This could just mean they are in the the closet.

Just Friends

1. “Marco is just a guy who has feminine interests.

This is possible but it doesn’t definitively prove Marco is cis.

2. “Marco refers to themselves by male pronouns.”

This could just mean they are in the closet.

3. “Marco is referred to by male pronouns throughout this episode.”

I think most of the time this was Jackie referring to Marco as “dude” which I swear Jackie is one of those people who uses that word indiscriminately. However this could just mean Marco is in the closet.

4. “Marco presents as male throughout this episode.”

This could just mean they are in the closet.

Face The Music

1. “Marco presents as male throughout this episode.”

So firstly I will state my standard “this could mean they are just in the closet.” Plus it has been a while since I watched the Live Chat but I seem to recall Marco either saying they liked wearing the shoulder tassels or the princely suit, I can’t remember which but regardless of which it won’t negate my next point. Star’s song day is a once in a life time event and Marco probably won’t wear attire like that very much in their life time, it probably just seems fun and special to dress up fancy for a day. And I speak from experience as like I have mentioned before, going to my prom and wearing a suit was a special occasion I enjoyed and me and my friends even got a funny photo that looked like something from an office sitcom.

2. “Marco is referred to by male pronouns throughout this episode.”

This could just mean they are in the closet.

Starcrushed

1. “Marco’s anxiety is purely about Star.”

It is possible but Marco has appeared anxious in social situations long before Star’s crush entered the picture.

2. “Disney would not show Marco’s bare chest if they are trans.”

So I have already covered this in depth so all I am gonna say here is, for all intents and purposes Marco is canonically male right now, which I get doesn’t seem to be helping my case saying that. But my point is up until Marco comes out as trans I suspect Disney will continue to treat Marco like they would any other male character.

3. “Marco presents as male throughout this episode.”

This could just mean they are in the closet.

4. “Marco goes by male pronouns throughout this episode.”

This could just mean they are in the closet.

Season 2 Summary

So the main thing to indicate Marco is cis male continues to be their gender presentation and the pronouns they are referred to by. These two things being points that are becoming increasingly blurred.

"Running with Scissors" although I have my theories seems to be the largest and only credible spanner in the works I feel along with "Marco's Bare Chest" argument but neither of these definitively prove Marco is cis.

Meanwhile the insecurities that point towards Marco being trans just seem to keep mounting up.

#marco diaz #trans Marco #against cis marco #Masterpost #SVTFOE

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