#I don't know... I'm just such a worthless fuck up

[shinydelusionlover]

I mean, your old title very much makes it look like you're claiming that Ares is a feminist.

But anyway

I didn't know of the myth where Ares was subjected to slavery. So i check the source you gave:

"Panyasis, too, relates in addition very many other instances of gods, becoming servants to men. He writes in this way: — "Demeter bore the yoke; Hephaestus too; Poseidon; and Apollo, silver-bowed, one year endured to serve with mortal man; likewise strong Ares, by his sire constrained, [Panyasis, Heracleia, Frag. 16]" - CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA, EXHORTATIONS

So here, there is no reason given as to why Ares was punished by Zeus. So you can't make an assumption that this punishment was given because he killed Poseidon's son. (This version also does not say why Poseidon and Apollo were punished either and given that there are variations where these gods serve Laomedon on their own will, it is again wrong to assume that they were punished by Zeus)

I think it's funny and hypocritical that you bring up Artemis staging the rape of Aura, and at the same time try to salvage Ares' image by saying "well he didn't touch Leto!" Artemis didn't touch Aura either, but we. An still recognise that what she did was fucked up. Same for Ares. Again, I'm not judging him for obeying his mother. I just have an issue with people calling him a feminist when he harassed a goddess who was already having a tough time.

I disagree that the Greeks projected their socio-cultural norms on their gods 1:1. If that was true, Athena, Artemis and Hestia would be allowed to stay unmarried, and I don't think Zeus would marry his sister either (since that was heavily frowned upon), and Zeus' sons from extramarital affairs wouldn't be getting more importance than Ares. Ares' legitimacy is never a special of him in the myths, he is just another son of Zeus. And again, if Ares was ever meant to be a threat to Zeus, I don't think he'd be existing as a god in the myths, just the way Metis and Thetis' hypothetical sons by Zeus never got to exist.

I don't know why interactions between Ares and Apollo are relevant here, but yes they do interact in the myths. In the Iliad, Apollo asked Ares to go beat Diomedes, and Ares obeyed him. I can't believe you don't know this given that the Iliad is like a very popular poem of Greek tradition. Also, according to Herodotus, in the first ever Olympian games Apollo defeated Ares in a boxing match. Ares is also seen enjoying himself in Apollo's musical event in the Homeric hymn to Apollo.

And no, I think it's a very common notion that Athena is the only child that dear to Zeus. But if you ever bother to read Apollo and his connections to Zeus, you'd notice that Zeus favored Apollo just as much as Athena if not more (this could be a whole another post but I'll expand on it only if needed). Heck, when Apollo went to Zeus complaining that Athena was taking his spotlight in the oracular business using mantic dice, Zeus literally made the dice worthless and Athena had to throw them away.

And no, I'm tired of seeing the misconception that only Athena got out without punishment when the coup against Zeus failed. In the version where Athena is involved, Apollo isn't. And no one is punished. I think this post gives more clarity on this matter. And uhh no, Athena is also called the "sacker of the cities", just like Ares is. Athena is not just the glorious side of war or whatever.

The festival where women were banned from Ares' festival was in Lacedamon

Pausanias, Description of Greece 3. 22. 6: "In Geronthrai [village in Lakedaimonia] are a temple and grove of Ares. Every year they hold a festival in honor of the God, at which women are forbidden to enter the grove."

Too bad you can't blame the Athenians for this lol

If You Want An ACTUAL 'Feminist Icon' Man With Depth, Then Ares Is Your Best Candidate (NOT Hades!)

He has been SEVERELY misrepresented.

1) Ares is quite literally the ONLY Greek God (sitting on the Twelve Olympians) who doesn't need to be put on an sex offender registry. (I won't speak for his Roman counterpart, Mars, however ...) The worst he ever did, was seduce Phylonome, an hunting companion of Artemis, in the guise of an shepherd. That's hardly comparable to Zeus seducing Callisto in the guise of Artemis, or Alkmene in the guise of her husband Amphitryon, or Poseidon seducing Tyro in the guise of the river-God Enicepus.

2) Not only is Ares the only one who isn't a rapist, but he has actually stood up for sexual assault survivors more than once (even if they're his mother or daughter!) Ares was famously tried (and acquitted!) for homicide by a jury of the Twelve Olympians, after he slew Poseidon's son for raping his daughter. If he was found guilty, the sentence would have been Tartarus and/or losing his godhood. All the gods voted to convict, all the goddesses voted to acquit, and what with Poseidon as prosecutor, Zeus as judge, and Ares as defendant, there were more goddesses on the jury than gods. Even if Zeus cast his vote to convict, it would have come to a tie and the rule was that the defendant is to be acquitted if there is a tie. Ares was also trapped in a jar for protecting his mother Hera from an giant son of Poseidon who stormed Olympus, and he was only a child at the time. He was also present at the punishment of Ixion who attempted to violate Hera, alongside Athena and Hermes.

3) Ares is the father of the Amazons (you hear that, DC Comics?) The founder of the Amazons, Otrera (who, btw, is the mythological founder of the Temple of Artemis at Ephesus), is either his daughter with the wood-nymph Harmonia, or his consort (if she is the daughter of Eurus, God of the North Winds) by whom he fathered Melanippe, Antiope, Hippolyta, and Penthesilea. Their nation's capital city is named Themiskyra in honour of Themis (Zeus' second wife and his aunt by whom he fathered three daughters), whom Ares is on surprisingly close terms with (see the Homeric Hymn to Ares), since he was also the patron god of the law enforcement.

4) One of Ares' epithets is 'feasted by women', in the ancient city of Tegea in Arcadia; during a war between the Tegeans and the Spartans, the women of Tegea defended the city from an invasion led by the Spartan king Charilaus.

5) Women abused by their husbands would pray to Ares for strength, since he is also the God of Courage, which may have (sadly) further contributed to his unpopularity in Ancient Greece.

6) Aphrodite was forced into a marriage as ransom with Hephaestus who petitioned Zeus to marry Athena, Aphrodite expected that she would marry Ares instead (since no one even knew about Hephaestus). Love and War. Their children are Eros (the literal Cupid himself) and Anteros (Unrequited Love), Phobos (Fear), Deimos (Panic), and Harmonia (Harmony). They have an open marriage, despite Ares killing Adonis as a boar and Aphrodite cursing Eos with insatiable lust. Spartans in particular worshipped their marriage, with Aphrodite receiving the epithet of 'Areia' (similar to how Zeus has the epithet of 'Heraion'), and we all know how Spartans treated their women compared to many other Greek city-states. Note how Ares and Aphrodite are the only married couple on the Twelve Olympians besides Zeus and Hera themselves, which brings me to my next point ...

7) Even though Ares was not worshipped by many Ancient Greeks (just as they didn't even feel comfortable mentioning Hades by name), he was always depicted as an handsome soldier, which was the peak of male attractiveness at the time. He was legally considered as the true heir to the throne of Olympus as the only legitimate son of Zeus and Hera (since Hephaestus was conceived via parthenogenesis) and one of the most handsome of Zeus' sons (which is why Aphrodite hoped to marry him). Bizarrely, he could almost be considered as Ancient Greece's cultural equivalent of Prince Charming in a way.

8) Ares is the son of Hera (the Goddess of Marriage, Family, and Childbirth, Patron of Women and Queen of Olympus) and the husband of Aphrodite (Goddess of Love and Beauty; Lust and Sexuality; Desire and Pleasure). He is also the rival to his half-sister Athena (Goddess of Wisdom and Reason; Strategy and Warfare; Arts and Crafts) for his father's affections. He's also on good terms with his grand-aunt, Themis, and I would assume Hestia. Zeus and Hera's other children are all daughters (Enyo, Eileithyia, Hebe, Angelos, Arge, Eleuthera), and Zeus is afraid that Ares would overthrow him (see 7). It's not hard to see why Ares drinks the Respect Women Juice unlike his father, uncles, or brothers.

[medicinemane]

Always hungry, always broke, and always having my mom toss a new catastrophe my way... but never actually being given control of the money despite the fact that I've been able to hold on to my stimulus checks all these years only spending them on emergencies, but she blows her disability and wracks up credit card debt

But see... she'd feel like a child if she had to ask for money for things... it's much better when she has full control so she can do things like spend $300 on microtransactions in a single month

Then my grandma gets mad at me for having to help with money cause I don't have a job, and if I just had a job it would be fine (and no doubt I'm pretty shit for not working despite not having anything wrong with me)

When I get stuff cleaned up my mom just uses it as a new spot to dump trash so... there's no point

I provide nothing to the world, I have no talents or skills, everything I do is wrong, and I'm just kind of a drain on the world despite having nothing stopping me from actually doing shit except my poor character

...kinda hemming and hawing on ordering this cause even $18 is a hell of a lot of money to spend on killing myself unless I'm actually gonna do it. If I get it and then keep putting it off... well then that money would have been real better spent elsewhere

...but on the other hand this can't keep continuing... maybe I can take the money I was trying to save up to buy a new mic so I can actually talk to people and spend it on this instead

[toxicroyjamie]

vent ⬇️

[lucyvaleheart]

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[soppsop]

i just rememberd adhd meds exist and now im upset because i could have that if it wasn't for that freakin neurologyst we went to see that told us it was impossible that i could have adhd because i have good grades in school. literally the ONLY question he asked me and immediately said it was impossible. we spent like 5 minutes there. he could've at least... explained something???? anything?????? and now i'd feel bad about asking my parents to see another neurologist because that costs a lot of money :((

[musical-chick-13]

I'm once again wondering if I should just find a super-popular ship I can stomach writing, simply so I'll have Lots Of Interaction and therefore, a higher likelihood of Lots Of Validation. Surely this is a very healthy way to think about art, especially the kind I am doing as a fun side hobby :) :) :)

[sealeneee]

siiiiiiigh

[fuzziemutt]

How are we having "lowest in a decade" unemployment rates yet literally over half of who I know, and even myself, for a very long time literally have been unable to find jobs.

Like. How are these equating because last I checked no motherfucker is hiring out here despite the signs

[running-in-the-dark]

okay but seriously the way everyone always focuses on me finally getting a job as if that's the ultimate end goal of life and there's nothing else that matters at all is making me feel like. if I can't do that. what is left.

like it's.. not that unlikely that no matter how hard I try I'll never be able to work full time (or even part time, who knows at this point honestly), and it makes me feel like - okay so then I just need to stop existing I guess

[bobzora]

acheron so good she makes me want to complete gold and gears to unlock erudition blessings

[fragglerockopinions]

So much mental health advice is like "ask for help!! Don't be afraid to rely on your friends and family to get you through this!!" girl what if i do not have friends or family*

[lesenbyan]

Today has thoroughly sucked

[fourfuckinghorsemen]

Does this ever end?

[stinkbeck]

oi i’m pissed 2 high heaven

[kindacreepy-kindaugly]

Maybe I just miss havin someone else to blame

[vexx-the-egg]

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