#I am talking about Lily Orchard

[thewickedlorchqueen]

Personally I hope in the future victims have an easier time coming out against their attackers without said attackers audience moving the goal post or trying to deny what happened to them because their a fan of a mid level youtuber.

[werewolf-cuddles]

Whats this about Lily rebranding? Was it because JoontheKing put her dirty laundry in the forefront?

That likely played a factor, yes, but the rebrand was also fairly recent.

Last month (February 2025, for those reading this in the future), she rebranded her YouTube channel and all of her other social media accounts to "CD-Call", as well as announcing that she no longer goes by her old name in real life anymore and has supposedly had it legally changed. (I'd hope this means she's finally stopped using her ex's surname, but since her new legal name isn't public, I have no idea.)

CD claims that she'd been planning to rebrand for over a year, and that the "harassment campaign" just expedited it. I can't say for certain whether or not she's lying about this, but considering her track record of spewing bullshit, I'm taking that with a grain of salt.

[mbat]

basically i was trying to make a post talking about the theme of family and the humans in steven universe and how basically all the humans are parents and their children and like, never one or the other, and how we can literally talk about the relationships all the kids have with their parents and stuff

and it was supposed to be how that reflects on stevens life and his human half since gems dont have families and blah blah blah

but holy shit i dont know how to say all that in a smart way and i kept going in circles and triangles and squares

[mint-mumbles]

Gonna make a list of queer characters that don’t outright state their queerness because a certain group of people complaining about the handling of a certain character’s arc from a certain game is pissing me off

“They didn’t make her say she was trans so that means that they’re giving us a ‘fuck you’/we need confirmation or it isn’t valid and transphobes will be transphobic/they’re queerbaiting!”

Shut the fuck up

The fact that we’re even at this point is a miracle in itself and needing every character to explicitly say their orientation and/or gender identity shows how ignorant you are, not just regarding media literacy, but also on queer history

By your myopic lens you’re discrediting a lot of queer characters that didn’t and/or couldn’t outright say that they’re queer

Characters shouldn’t have to outright say their orientation and/or gender identity for you to consider them “good rep”

That perspective is ridiculously narrow minded and downplays the importance of previous queer characters that helped pave the way to where we are now

Update: Here it is!

[critical-espurr]

Lily Orchard please stop talking about BPD like you understand it in the slightest challenge (impossible.)

[cosmicsproutcake]

do you really not know about chris chan?

I am mildly aware that she sexually assaulted her mother (I think), but beyond that, no, not really. Because I don't make a habit out of keeping myself 1000% informed on the latest Problematic Actions™ taken by the most recent Universally Hated Public Figure™ of the week.

I become aware of this kind of shit at the mercy of the people I follow; if it crosses my dash, I am made aware. But I don't go out of my way to look up every single person someone on my dash is bitching about on the vague chance what they're whining about is actually something harmful; 9 times out of 10 it's 'cause they glanced in the vague direction of lewd art of a cartoon character that's not immediately identifiable as over the age of 30 or some shit.

I don't have time for that shit, I have a fucking life lmao

[oblivionbladetd]

Lily Orchard: Parasocial on Purpose.

Shortly after my post softcore defending Ant, I had myself a couple of thoughts I felt are worth bringing up, though to make my point clear as day I do need to talk about a very special person.

It is about as close to a fact as it possibly can be, that we have more and better documentation on one Chris-Chan than any other singular entity in history. Not by the way of expert hackers, stalkers, or anything of the sort. It was all given by Chris, willingly.

The same goes for Lily, to a far more controlled extent, obviously. She's given away a lot. I am thoroughly uncomfortable saying that the only people I know as well as we know Lily are people I'd trust with my fucking life. Like I have said before, none of this is the product of hacking or stalking. It was all volunteered until she made the panic decision to delete.

Of course it shows up everywhere, stories about herself in most if not all of her vids. Her every thought broadcast via blogs and discord and the question of who the fuck needs to know, and more callous than that who the fuck even cares???

Parasocial is her bread and butter, be it adoration or hatred. Her vomiting of her whole lifes story is proof enough she is fostering such contempt or a woe to be soothed by masses that, and let's be for real here, will never meet or really know her. I'd advise anybody to take this opportunity to just let some shit go. What is Lily to YOU? For example, to me, Lily is somebody I used to follow and have since caught her in way too many boldfaced lies, and have also used my own special interest of narrative design to cut through any bullshit she tries to peddle. She has not hurt me, never directly spoken to me (outside of telling me to kill myself, lmao). I have the right to call bullshit and bad writing as I see it, I don't intend to be some champion. I don't have much more right than spreading the word of those that Lily has truly hurt and those affected by other parts of her widespread ignorance (I am very white and have no interest in pretending i am not.)

Keep the pressure on. Don't let her sweep her sins under the rug, but stop, take a good look at yourself. What is she to you? This isn't cops and robbers. There will be no heroes at the end of this. Do not try and be a hero. We don't need one.

As for her fans and those on the fence, what is she really to you? Profession says you at least find her entertaining. Though what if you did know nothing about her? If the only purely public detail was her old handle of bhaalspawn? She likes to say people don't like her because she's trans. What if we left that at the door? Would it change nothing? If she never made the circumstances of her abuse public, would you still be first in line to defend her takes?

We gotta stop either leaning all the fuck in or all the fuck out, and see things for what they are. Lily is not a threat at large to 90% percent of us. We will not be rid of her if we are running around electing champions in people like Ant or Sai or Crim or formerly poppy or even Courtney. We gotta stand as a united front of strangers who know where we actually fucking stand and can just say, " in some ways I can attest to and in other ways I can't, I know this Lorch chick is bad news."

No heroes, no champions, just a large group of randos that know this particular rando has a cartoonishly long list of allegations and doesn't seam all that great at her job she done gave herself.

[postmortemlatte]

So, because of the recent @saiscribbles "controversy," I have made a post where I proposed that if what Sai did was really so bigoted and disgusting as the Twitter kids claim, then fans who were affected would speak out.

Fortunately, a brave and kind individual came forward to provide proof

Never mind that they did so like....this:

Which immediately makes me want to listen to them, of course. Clearly, they are very reasonable. More importantly, the examples they provided just called Sai mean, which is both unrelated to the issue that is currently whined about and not a cancelation worthy offense.

When I communicated that to the brave volunteer, this little exchange happened.

This is why I'm making this post. These kinds of people are exactly the problem. It was never Sai. It. Was. Never. Sai.

It's these little fake performative progressives who will claim to be open minded and kind and open to talking problems out first who will screech the most vile and disgusting things at you the moment you disagree or challenge their opinions.

The cognitive dissonance of "you don't understand basic empathy, shoot the roof of your mouth" is especially hilarious, I must say.

Moreover, you're not exactly making it tempting for me to agree with you. Nor Sai nor anyone in her community would say something as vile and hateful at you for just disagreeing. I'd rather be called a retard. Which, also, if I express to people that it would be very hurtful for me, (my left brain suffered irreversible damage, so I am actually retarded both mentally and in terms of my intelligence.) I'm more than confident that Sai and her fans would not mind just not saying it toward me. It would be easy to ask.

People like this, though? The moment you slip up slightly, they will shoot hate and vitriol at you until you bend.

This is exactly what Lily Orchard does. Exactly what Lio Convoy and his friends do.

So, if you don't mind, I will continue supporting Sai. And you can go whine about bigotry somewhere else.

[lilies-in-the-attic]

Once again, I am wondering how the fuck Poppy interviewed Courtney about her abuse from both of her siblings, and still came out of that thinking "incest is hot tho."

The TL;DR is that everyone who’s spoken with Courtney outside of the Sai gang and Malcolm does not give a flying fuck about Courtney outside of what she can give to their “brand”.

Poppy brought Courtney to talk on their podcast, with Poppy knowing full well she has an incest kink herself, so she and Zena could jump on the Lily Orchard view spike train. Once Poppy had her claws in Court that’s when she started dumping all the fantasy talk on her.

Ethel (EssenceOfThought) only cared about Courtney and all of Lily’s younger victims because it meant Ethel was the first one to have access to this information in the YouTube sphere. Once Courtney stopped being a Useful Idiot in Ethel’s eyes, she slandered them publicly on her channel. Same reason Ethel went so hard after Vangelina Skov for using the same screenshots in her video that Ethel had used previously: she wants the monopoly on all things Lily.

We haven’t seen how KP and LioConvoy has played out yet, but KP is making obvious moves to distance Courtney from anyone in Sai’s circles that actually gave a shit about them as a person and not as a view machine, and LioConvoy is… LioConvoy. Suffice it to say this will not end well for anyone involved.

I’m starting to think the reason Joon never contacted Courtney directly is because he saw the writing on the wall with all the chucklefucks before him and didn’t care to exploit Courtney further. All of this shit is exactly why their mental state has deteriorated as far as it has.

[hatoheart]

hey so I’ve said before I prefer to keep my blog a drama free place but

Oh well. It’s my blog and I can break my own rules as I see fit lol.

My background with Lily Orchard: I had been a fan since about summer 2019 (20 years old, I was born December 12, 1998) and had heard her talk about the various abuse she claims to have gone through throughout her life. With no reason to believe otherwise, I just accepted this. I bought into everything she said when allegations came out against her because I had already anchored my beliefs to things she’d said. It’s hard to dismantle beliefs that are so ingrained in you.

In June 2024 I made a tumblr post asking for actual evidence, and to be fair, I had plenty of people come to me in good faith. Unfortunately, I was unwilling to believe a lot of what I was sent, parroting the same excuses for them I’d heard Lily use. I like to think of myself as someone who’s objective and looks at things from every side, and yeah, I’ll fully admit I was not doing that at all here. I got dunked on a bit, rightfully so.

I was a member of Lily’s Patreon server from June-September 2024 (I only just joined Patreon itself in June 2024). I started as a $1 Patron before bumping up to a $5 Patron for access to the Patron chat. I wouldn’t say I was especially close to Lily, I certainly wasn’t part of her “inner circle”, and got reprimanded by her a few times for various minor things, but ultimately she trusted me enough to let me into the private “server regulars” chat she implemented a week or so before I left.

The first major crack came when she used me venting in her stream chat about my beef with KP as an excuse to drop her and Sai’s full names. I did not at all endorse that and was actually quite pissed at her for doing that. I value my privacy a lot, and I try to extend that courtesy to everyone else I come across online. I’ve got plenty of good friends online and I couldn’t tell you the real-life names of about 90% of them.

Ultimately, the incest game folder was the major incident that got me thinking. She did her best to debunk it, but it was just… such a flimsy excuse? It seemed like she was desperate to cover it up. I don’t know, I’d bought into plenty of things she’d said in the past, but this seemed… unbelievable. So after spending a few days conflicted, I looked back into the evidence I’d been given months prior. And it was… a lot. I lashed out at some people trying to help me during this time, and blocked someone who’d been very cordial to me in DMs. I was stuck. I didn’t know what to believe. I suppose you could say this was my breaking point.

Ultimately the evidence did prove overwhelming, so on September 13th, 2024, I quietly left Lily’s community. No big statement, no fuss, just quietly retracted my Patreon sub, unfollowed on tumblr, and unsubscribed on YouTube. I’ve been quiet for the past month, give or take.

And man, has hindsight been 20/20.

She frames everything as “my boundaries tho” so that she can excuse being rude to her fans. She consistently denies Tara Callie/Stockholm and other wrongdoings without any proof to back up her claims.

I’ve watched KP and Courtney’s videos. I’ve looked at Britt’s evidence. I’ve privately made amends with all three of them.

I had already planned on watching Joon the King’s video when it released. I was a fan of his prior and figured if he was covering Lily… then there must be something I was ignoring.

Part of the reason it can be so difficult to look into Lily’s past is because the resources aren’t neatly gathered in one place. Joon’s video does just that. An easily digestible resource for people to get the gist of who she is.

And I’m sorry to anyone I may have hurt on her behalf. I am not claiming to be innocent here, I knowingly dug my heels in while claiming to want evidence, and then refused to look at it. I’m sorry for the rancid shit I’ve said and done to people in defense of Lily.

But I’ve opened my eyes. I’ve stopped hiding from the truth.

I’m not going to discuss this further, as I’ve said I prefer to keep my blog a fairly lighthearted place for me to hyperfixate and shitpost. I’m not interested in dunking on Lily or harassing her (please don’t harass her), but just being transparent and letting everyone know where I stand as of right now. This needed to be said eventually.

[sillygoblinantics]

“Fuckyoufuckyoufuckyou that’s not how trauma works, Lily Orchard”

This is the last Lily critical thing I am willing to share. For context: this happened during one of Lily orchards korra streams, it was before she would release her video that I would not watch for mental health reasons, but yes this is how her streams are, so much dead air only filled with obnoxiously loud keyboard clacking, snorts, and little to no commentary.

I had been watching, while watching I caught her talking about… trauma and ptsd. I caught her (if for a moment) fully displaying her lack of genuine empathy and knowledge of the aforementioned topics. And then when the show actually has a great point about how to healthily heal and how it isn’t going to be immediate she says:

Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. That’s not how trauma works!

As if she would actually know and have studied and actually fucking know what it’s like.

This moment had broke me… if you’ve read my essay about my healing you’d know. This is not a criticism of Lily orchard… this is me showing her true colors. I need you to see how her brain works I want you to understand how it works without getting too close and touching the metaphorical poop of this drama until you get the full vivid picture of her.

Ever since I’ve learned more and more about Lily and have truly seen and heard of the things she’s done I’ve been plagued by what I thought were the traumatic moments I felt I had eloquently unpacked and picked apart… actually reanimate and take new forms that have caused minimal spirals.

And if I’m going through this then imagine what Lily orchards victims and fans have gone and continue to go through. This isn’t about whatever card she’ll use to get away with her behavior this is addressing the actual danger of this woman.

If I ever post her again I’ll be dropping art I did as cathartic release (like the below image):

Lily clearly uses her “trauma” to hurt others. She’s transformed it into a weapon that only damages those she hits with it.

Catharsis is the key to the freeing metamorphosis of your trauma tho it may remain it weighs less as you transform more and more of it in a new way.

That transmutation can be anything, art, animation, music, sculpture and visual or physical media really! Even in writing. It’s why I like creative nonfiction as it’s really just explorative essays. Like this post you’re reading now!

So.

To wrap this up, let’s quote the gifted goose’s own mouth:

“Fuck you, fuck you, Fuck You. That’s not how trauma works, you can tell they never had it”

— Lily Orchard August 2024

[crimsonender]

Why do you care so much about Lily Orchard

Actually getting this a little backwards. I took notice of Lily Orchard as an individual earlier this year, back in January to March, when she was listed amongst a series of trans creators that are unfairly scrutinized. As she was the only one who had a Tumblr at the time I began following her because I wanted to basically spite transphobes. I've come under fire myself for being trans in the past.

What I discovered in the months I followed her is that she had awful takes and was really dismissive and sometimes outright mean to her fans. I went to a live stream or two, and I watched a couple videos. I soon became critical of her, and decided to do some research. This lead me to Hiding in Private and Sai Scribbles. At the time, I was focused on Lily being a bad YouTuber, both in terms of content and how she treated her fans.

I knew that no one else was going to cover her video on the Coffin of Andy and Leyley because most people dismiss this gothic horror game as problematic and incestuous. As a fan of the genre and the game itself I decided to cover the video. Then as a spur of the moment decision at the end of that stream I decided to cover her latest Kingdom Hearts video as well. This would turn into a an edited video later on where I was very insistant on not focusing on Lily's actions and the allegations. I was mostly concerned with her rhetoric and behaviour as a YouTuber, because I had been wanting to talk about media analysis for a long time. As you can see from my coverage on MatPat, Anita Sarkiseen, Anthony Gramgulia, and iDubbbz. I think there is something fundamentaly flawed with the way the modern internet analyzes media. Each of these individuals has contributed negatively to this rhetoric in their own way, but where people like Anthony and iDubbbz and even Sarkiseen have tried to improve (and in Anthony's case a large reason for the majority of his writing that is worthy of criticism was how he was editorialized by the publications he worked for) Lily has always doubled down and gotten worse. Moreover my biggest issue with Lily right now is how she interacts with her fandom, which is unique to her. She has been publically very sexual towards them, she encourages anti-intellectualism, has a history of abuse, so yeah that definitely is a factor. My last two videos were less about her media analysis and more about how she interacts with her audience and the world around her. I think people like Lily are dangerous.

I don't hate everyone I cover. I'm friends with Anthony and I like his videos and style of writing. He's not perfect but he's also very open to criticism. iDubbbz I'm not a big fan of but for the most part I'm fairly indifferent to. MatPat's videos while I'm highly critical of them, are somewhat of a guilty pleasure for me and I've been watching him since he released his first Starfox video. Sarkiseen I am more critical of but acknowledge she was one of the first people to make videos about feminism in modern media on the scale she was doing it. I wouldn't say anything these people are doing is dangerous.

If Lily was just some woman on the internet with a bad opinion then I probably wouldn't care. It's Lily's control over such a large number of people that worries me. Dismantling her rhetoric is how we show the people she has control over a way out. It's how we teach people that have been trained to turn their brain off that they should think for themselves. Videos like Joon the King's covering her allegations are important don't get me wrong, but unless we teach people to think for themselves, they're just going to fall for the next grifter to come along. The crux of the matter is that no one person should dictate what your opinion is based on how big of a fan you are of them. This problem is so much bigger than Lily. Lily just represents this issue to such a large degree.

[that-one-kiddo-in-the-back]

I couldn't do it.

I gave up.

For those who have no idea what I'm talking about here's the thing.

I was reading Lily orchards' the sith resurgence to see how badly it was written and on my God guys it was so boring that I just can't do.

It is so boring and stupid.

I am not a good writer by any means but holy shit did this make me feel like I was fucking Edger Allan Poe....

But I do have some of my thoughts for the chapters I did read.

So I give you...

The shit resurgence.

[mbat]

begging you if you care about steven universe at all, in a good OR BAD way, to go watch 'hiding in private's videos about steven universe, or if you cant take the mentally taxing ones where he debunks others (seriously, i only watched half of the first one so far but it was actively ruining my whole day because the video he was debunking was so deeply hateful and disgusting) then at least watch 'the case for steven universe - prelude'!

as someone whos been a fan of steven universe since it began, and its actually defined so much of my life (if that wasnt already clear by who i am as a person in general...) it literally is just... a breath of fresh air is a massive understatement. it like ive been surrounded by people all saying one thing for so long that i thought i was the crazy one for being different, but then someone finally starts making sense and i realize i wasnt crazy at all. like everything is covered in fog and someone shines a light right through it.

ive never been good with words, most things dont make sense enough to me for that, but man other people can be so good with words, and this guy is one of them.

seriously, its such a relief.

[furryprovocateur]

the thing about lily orchard to me is that's she done the same schtick that cishet male youtubers have been doing for years (getting aggressively man about children's cartoons) but because shes's like. a trans woman about people talk about her like she's the devil

i think another thing to note is that broadly speaking trans women are allowed to fucking suck. like as long as she's not victimizing anyone or spouting bigotry i really don't give a shit if she gives bad writing advice or has bad pokemon opinions or whatever. like sure make a laugh about it but making whole ass videos and streams dedicated to hating her is fucking weird. like it's very obviously rooted in transmisogyny but from the crowd of people who would say they care about transmisogyny. it's weird and cognitively dissonant.

edit: it has come to my attention that there are allegations of abuse and sexual harassment regarding her. none of what i have posted is in regards to that nor am i making any judgments on whether those claims are credible or not. i know this sounds silly to make a formal declaration of this but, i want to be clear in my wording and make sure that people know that i am not making any claims in regards to the allegations. my defense of her is only as far as her being harmlessly lame, it does not extend to potential abuse or victimizing. thanks <3

[weaselbeaselpants]

I'm tired

It's hard to call myself anything more than an observer of drama because that's absolutely what I am. But I have been here awhile in both the Helluvaverse-critical spaces and the Lily Orchard-call out ones. It hurts seeing the people I trust and consider resourceful in one space be bad-mouthed, lied about and called horrible things in another over their support/dislike of SaiScribbles.

Sai is not an essayist. She's a reaction-channel art steamer. I personally didn't even care or could really make it through her pro-SU vids taking down Lorch's bs, and I like that show, so I don't really care what she says in simping for the show and fandom that grinds my gears. Since she apparently hasn't gone into KenDraws', Faustisse's*, Salem's* or Malcom's* accounts I personally don't think she knows everything she thinks there is to know about either Viv or Rebecca Sugar. I think Sai thinks she knows better than everyone else because she happens to be better at understanding media she likes than Lily Orchard does the things she hates.

This attitude, and also that time a few months back where she agreed with the rube telling me that Palestine-campaigns are all scams, really rub me the wrong way and it's why I blocked Sai. She legit she hurt me by talking down to me (regardless of if she meant to or not) and I don't want anything but to personally not look at her icon as much as I can. I think Sai's Lily coverage is a net positive but I personally don't like her. It just sucks because there are a lot of those other people I do think are better resources about Orchard's abuse, and those people do like Sai. I'm not gonna tell them what to do and how they're evil if they don't do what I want them to do or whatever cuz ohmyfuckinggodwe'reADULTS why are we acting like this??

I also definitely know that Sai DID NOT "dress up as Lily" or "give money to Lily". In reality another critic of Lily gave Lily a superchat, not 'for the lulz' but to confront Lilz on why she sent him a multiple death threats, (which is also the current reason Lily's been banned from Tumblr, I believe). What Sai did was make a parody of Lily's video style for April Fools. Courtney Orchard, Lily's irl abused sibling whom everyone in the critical sphere does believe the accounts of, lashed out at Sai and anyone doing parody artwork of Lily, insisting that it's the same as "giving Lily fanart". I have to highkey disagree on that, regardless of how I feel. Courtney and ILoveKimPossibleALot -who's leaked a lot of private calls and info she was told to keep private- are lying that Sai ever supported Lily in anyway. That is untrue. For all the biases that may exist in me that part is just untrue, sns.

A sad fact is even without Sai, Courtney has been very volatile of different people including other victims of Lily Orchard's ab*se. Courtney's also (as of this time) set on partnering with LioConvoy to take Lily down, a streamer Court disowned but then backtracked on and is supporting despite his own bigoted/abusive behaviors.

There's in-fighting. And I just hate it. I can't ask us all the work together and be besties I'm not your guys' lifecoach. I only know, because I know how quick others are to start accusing people of saying this, that Sai nor Viv nor Courtney are the same kind of beast as Lillian CD-Call Orchard. They are nail bombs; Lily's atomic. SU and Helluvaverse is what I come to rag on cuz I don't have a life; Orchard (also Patricia Taxxon) need to get out of my damn life and my mind. I want to unsee them and the work they made so much. They're what this is actually about.

***keep reading

If you're wondering why the I put an asterisk * on those links above it's because sadly a receipt/drama thread on twitter is the only places you can find Malcom, Salem's and Faustisse's accounts on what it was like working at Spindlehorse on. All of them were forced off twitter/deleted their accounts because of harassment from Viv's base. Don't @ me over how I chose I 'biased source', it's sadly through archiving, call outs and KiwiFarms threads that the "proof" people are talking about is often able to exist.

If Sai has the right to read Erin Frost's receipts and call them bull than I have the right to read through those same receipts and say "this really doesn't look photoshopped/out of context to me:"