#Homestuck 3 Beyond Fanon

[the-mspfa-200-favourites-project]

Homestuck 3: Beyond Fanon

Welcome to the “Homestuck^2 Sucks, I could do better” section of my journey, where basically the MSPFA community, and the fandom at large, has grown VERY discontented with the content being made from HS^2 and they, well, think they could do better. Or atleast, they think it’s funny to slap a number at the end of the world “Homestuck” and reference the subtitle (now actual title) of HS^2. You gotta understand that HS^2 was about to begin a bit of a downward trajectory in the eyes of many of the “fans” of HS^2, and that would all start with, ironically, introducting one of the best characters ever made ever, Yiffany “Yiffy” Longstocking Lalonde Harley. It might sound strange in this current HSBC climate, but people HATED Yiffy, with a passion, mainly because of everything she came to represent (mainly HS^2 decisions, the perceived destruction of canon-queer relationships within the Epilogues themselves, and of course, that hated, reviled name).

But that’s not really important, besides the fact that the upd8 that introduced Yiffy to the world, where Jade and Rose spill (some) of the beans on Yiffy’s existence and what happened to make her exist in the first place, happened ONE DAY before Homestuck 3 Beyond Fanon was first created. So that’s pretty neat to note, for historic reasons.

Anyways after all that preamble, Homestuck 3 Beyond Fanon is, as you might guess, not exactly taking itself seriously as, like, a continuation. For one thing, it’s styled in like, the format of Newspaper Comics (like Compensation, Inadequate). For another thing, apparently it was inspired by another juggernaut of Internet Humor and Culture, TAILS GETS TROLLED. Yeah, you immediately thought of *the* face, didn’t you. That’s the vibe this author is going for. Also, this comic does not have anything to do with Yiffy and seems to just be riffing off the idea that, lol, imagine a Homestuck 3 that was like that. I can’t exactly knock that concept without else condemning myself in the process (If you didn’t know, I *also* created a Homestuck continuation, Homestuck 6, but mine was early, on October 26, 2019). Also, I can’t really comment on the execution of trying to make a “Homestuck Tails Gets Trolled” comic, because I haven’t exactly read Tails Gets Trolled, so I’m pretty much flying blind.

I guess I can comment on some of the execution though, because I am not particularly having a good time with the comic. It’s just kinda. There, I guess? It’s doing its’ own thing. But also, why is Vriska being set up to be the main antagonist???????? Like, of all the characters you could make INTO the antagonist, why is it always Vriska. Vriska’s not even really an antagonist past like, Act 5 Act 1???????? She’s barely an antagonist in that section either. Just. Why. Okay I guess done with that mini rant.

Well the vibes in this comic is inscrutiable, and that’s kind of what I think Tails Gets Trolled is like, so I’m pretty sure they’ve nailed the tone? But again, I don’t have ANY experience beyond the memes everybody else has seen of Tails Gets Trolled. So I’m just gonna move on from here, besides saying that if you DO want to see a Tails Get Trolled-esque Homestuck Continuation, maybe check it out???????

[nekropsii]

Atomic Ask Bomb... 2!!

Hello, all! We are back in the mines immediately, because you all love me and my inbox so much. I still have 200+ more asks to sort through after this and that is not hyperbole!! Oops!!

Content Warning: Long, and Cronus is There.

You can be both. I am both. I think Terezi's easily in the Top 3 of Best Written Homestuck Characters, no competition. AND she compels me.

Mituna Fans and Terezi Fans flocking together like how Gays and Lesbians are supposed to.

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He doesn't have a Recuperacoon. He doesn't NEED a Recuperacoon. Who needs a Recuperacoon when you have a bathtub? You pile a bunch of slime in there, and then you can pop the drain open in the morning and take a shower right there where you just got up. It's convenient. And not at all sad. It's not sad guys.

Let's pretend for a moment that either Vantas would have regular bathing habits for the sake of this joke.

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Even if that's the case, it really doesn't change anything. Insecurity doesn't justify literal actual sexual harassment and sexual assault. What?

People will do anything to excuse random shitty men for being shitty. Sympathy is the favorite weapon in Fandom Misogyny's arsenal. So often will fans pull some random bullshit out of their ass just to say that it's fine that a male character is abusive, especially if it's to women, because "He's Sad", so he should never face criticism or punishment for his actions.

We should all start putting people in blenders. We've let these arguments go on long enough. People are far too bold in their abuse apologia. We need to kill them.

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Yeah. Like, he interests me a lot, he's one of the characters I take the most interest in out of all of the Alpha Trolls. I literally write sov!Cronus. I hate his guts, though. It really is just that easy to be a fan of a character and also fucking hate them. Not once have I ever made an excuse for him. The goal Hussie set out for when writing him was making him inexcusable and irredeemable, down to Cronus literally knowing what he's doing is bad and hurts people, and simply just not caring.

Cronus is genuinely fucking evil. That's the whole point. If you make him misunderstood, if you make him mean well, if you make him lack self awareness, if you make him sympathetic, if you give him any redeeming qualities at all... You are missing the point completely. If you want a sympathetic asshole character, you want Vriska. The point of Cronus is that he's The Worst Character In Homestuck, and that he has zero redeeming qualities and trying to fix him or redeem him is a Hopeless venture. He is beyond saving. Don't you dare even think about trying - to try to make him palatable is to erase Violent Bigotry, Incest, and Child Sexual Abuse. Just don't. Enjoy him as he is, do NOT defang him.

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He truly is the worst! I think we should explode all depictions of fanon!Cronus. Forever.

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Yeah, there's a huge reason why I do not say I'm a fan of Cronus or call him a favorite character of mine or anything. It projects a certain... Image. The wrong one. There's just such a strong precedent for anyone saying they're a Cronus Fan or calling him their Favorite Character being a person who just completely fucking ignores everything about him, or even pardons it, saying it's fine, actually, because He's Sad, or that it's Not That Bad, actually. I can't stand it.

I'm aware there are Cronus Fans who are totally normal, but I cannot help but immediately be wary of them, or flinch for a moment even when they offer the reassurance that they know better. It's a natural response, having been here for around a decade and having been a Mituna Fan the whole time.

Liking characters who are terrible people is fine. Based, even, in some cases. But... It's truly difficult with Cronus, because so much of that fanbase relies on excusing/minimizing/condoning abuse and bigotry. I don't have any qualms with people liking characters that suck, but when a fanbase for a character is so heavily focused on pretending that character isn't a horrible, terrible, awful person who abuses people - even children, even people they're related to, even children that they're related to - for nothing but their own sexual gain... I start having issues. That sets a pretty dangerous precedent, to me.

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It's crazy to me how so much of the apologism is because he's hot. Because he literally isn't. You all have terrible taste.

Let's all appreciate for a moment just how fucking ugly he is. The fan art is lying so bad. He needs a haircut. His shirt doesn't fit him, and honestly looks like women's clothes - you know those women's shirts that have the sleeves that stop halfway down the damn shoulder? He looks like a 16 year old. He's so skinny, and his shoulders are so... rounded and small - which are fine traits to have, but literally every piece of fanart portrays him as broad-shouldered and ripped when the literal opposite is true. You just know he has too much product in his hair. His actual sprite is even worse.

The way his fly doesn't even go all the way up. The way his hair clips into his face. The way he's slightly yellow for literally no reason. The shitty belt. This fucking sucks. He's so ugly. He isn't even hot.

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Mituna having Memory Loss as a result of his TBI is literally a myth invented by Cronus to emotionally manipulate Mituna and perpetuated by Cronus Fans. I think if they were friends in the past, Cronus's actions would be worse, actually.

Could you imagine getting sad that your friend doesn't remember you because of a Traumatic Brain Injury, and your response to this sadness is to abuse and sexually assault them on the regular? What, is that Just Bro Things now? Cronus literally says he targets Mituna because he thinks he can get away with it due to his struggles with communication. The thing about them being buddies in the past was one of his trademark Lies. Because he is known to do that, specifically to manipulate people. Because he is known to manipulate people. Emotionally. Because he is abusive. And terrible. And not redeemable. This isn't rocket science! It isn't rocket science to say that pushing the fault of Mituna's abuse onto Mituna is Victim-Blaming!

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Positively fucking ridiculous that so many people did not recognize their romance within the comic. If they were boys, there'd be no god damn question about it. It'd be up there in everyone's OTP list alongside DaveKat.

I think they're adorable. They're one of my favorite pairings.

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It's great in the source comic, especially during earlier phases of its existence, but the quality deprecates drastically the further you get from that point. I hate it in Fanon and in Dub/Post-Canon.

It's a great off-screen pairing for a lot of lore reasons - namely it being great to let Dave slowly allow himself to love and be loved in private, with no fear of eyes on him. He's never really been able to have privacy before, with all the cameras and eyes on him all the time, and he's never been able to really let his guard down and be vulnerable. He's never been able to love and be loved, safely. I ultimately think they should've kept their relationship mostly private, even after Dave's recovered quite a bit, because sometimes having something just for yourself without that need to perform it is healing in itself. Mental health maintenance.

In Fanon, it seems like pretty standard yaoi, though. Boring. Tired. Literally everywhere. Voyeuristic as always.

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Thank you! My Inbox generally really isn't that bad at all, honestly! Most people are pretty cordial! Anon Hate for me is pretty rare. Thankfully, the Delete Ask button exists, so I don't have to worry about those Anons for very long, lol.

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I hate to say this, but back in my day, plenty of people actually did do that. In fact, people only knowing Homestuck through fan material and then still calling themselves a fan is a big reason why old Homestuck fanon was so bad and so far off the mark!

I have a name for those kinds of fans, because it was such a frequent occurrence it begged for a title. I call them Secondaries. Like "Secondary Source"!

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World's most based triad, I think. Should be real. It's real to me.

7H15 15 MY 91RLFR13NF, L47UL4. 4DN 7H51 15 7UL45 9R1LFR13ND, P0RR1M.

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I think everyone should start watching actual horror movies. I think these people should watch Re-Animator and Bride of Re-Animator. I think this would fix the fandom, because a lot of people are just posting about horror movies without realizing they're posting about horror movies. Go watch a horror movie. They even have more and, frankly, more interesting gay representation than... Whatever Dirk and Jake have going on. Sorry.

If you're a gay man, get some hair on your chest and watch a bunch of horror movies. There's more in this life than anime twinks and skinny white pixel men. There's BlackRom Old Man Pet Play (The Lighthouse, 2019), there's Tormented Huge Dirty Bear (The Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning, 2006), there's The Bisexual Psychological Torture + Betrayal Chamber (Saw, 2004), there's Dysfunctional Gay Marriage Disputes (Re-Animator, 1985, Bride of Re-Animator, 1990). And way more other ones than I can really list. Expand your horizons.

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Not much. It's a bit mysterious. Here's what Aranea had to say about Mituna in general, which gives us most of the crumbs we have:

The Heir of Doom was once a powerful psionic. He had much to say when it came to warning us a8out the path of doom and destruction we were all headed for, 8ut no one took him very seriously. 8ut one day he lost all those abilities when he 8adly overexerted himself. It's hard to get any specifics from him, 8ut indications are that he applied every last 8it of energy he had toward some great act of heroism, saving us all from some looming threat. Not only did his exertion permanently 8urn out his psychic a8ilities, 8ut it left him somewhat... er. Incoherent. The entire incident is shrouded in mystery. From his limited and scattered accounts of what happened, it seems very likely that Kurloz was with him at the time, as the only eye witness. And of course it's impossi8le to get any relia8le information out of him. I guess we may never know, sadly.

This does say quite a lot, but not really anything specific. We've got some stuff about how he's the session's Cassandra, the fact that the GAoH was NOT an accident (this is the misconception that pisses me off the most, I think - I hate when people call it an accident), the fact that he was protecting everyone from something... The fact that he DOES remember it, the fact that Kurloz was there, as the only eye witness, and refuses to talk about it.

It leaves plenty of room for speculation. A little too much room for me, honestly, but that's fine, I'm not really pressed about it.

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[kitkat-the-muffin]

I was around for the Homestuck^2 content and while I trust Mr Roach (of the James variety) to lift it from the ashes I’m just not motivated to give BC a try after the damages ^2 caused

So this is a little poll to hear fan reactions and what they think I should do. Is it better than ^2? Even if I do read it I don’t think I can accept it as the canonical continuation, but is it still worth reading in a fanon mindset?

[davekat-sucks]

I realized that in order for postcanon Rose to stay “in character” between the end of the Candy epilogues and the most recent Homestuck: Beyond Canon upd8, Rose would have to be lying to John about how happy she is at the end of the Candy epilogue as a way to manipulate John into something… maybe just being content with his life in this narrative irrelevant timeline or maybe to make John think everything is a-ok in RoseMary central and don’t snoop around.

Either way this headcanon retcons Candy Rose from housewife of a sapphic couple living her golden years to a husk of a woman who has had her life destroyed yet weaved by her seer powers, to be someone who only does actions out of inevitability or to her best advantage, like a white woman version of Doctor Manhattan from Watchmen.

Of course it’s not inherently wrong to explore or analyze Rose’s god powers and how they both advantage and reconstruct her, especially after the retcon when Rose’s powers weren’t inhibited by alcohol. However, like most things in postcanon this exploration of the concept is hardly explored and rather focus goes to the consequences of the new motivations from the post-timeskip characters. Of course fans can do the heavy lifting and cherrypick from canon what Rose did post retcon and conclude that yes, it is in character for her to do this and the writers have been working hard writing deep, complex, and human characters. Just like they did for Jade and Jane.

It’s also once again a means to flanderize Rose as this super serious cunning thinker who is always 3 steps ahead and always grim and cryptic and rebellious because some voice(s) that commune to her speak of the true route for her to take.

Rose was being very serious when she talked with John about the incoming meteors and definitely did not play along with any wordplay or inside jokes among her friendgroup, she was being very serious when she made a moustache from a w magnet, she was being very serious in every conversation with Dave and all that banter was actually super cereal planning and coordination to enter her sburb session and Dave’s tendency to trail off or act cool absolutely did not invite any irony to the conversation that enticed Rose to tease Dave about his façade of being cool. Rose was being VERY VERY serious when she adopted Casey and renamed her to Viceroy Von Bubbles, very serious business indeed,

I’m sorry for going off the rails, I miss the old Rose.

It's alright. But you got good points here. Guess it isn't enough for Vriska to knock the alcohol out of her hands. Fanon had really seen Rose as this serious but cool calm goth girl, just like how Kanaya had imagined her to be when she read her walkthrough. But in reality, she was just as silly as the rest of her friends. It's a different kind of silly compared to Jade's genki personality. Sucks that characters like them can't be silly for silly sake.

[dedicatedfollower467]

choose violence :3 10, 13, 14, 15?

obviously i'm picking trigun. obviously.

10. worst part of fanon

honestly? very frustrated that everyone has just universally agreed that (tristamp) wolfwood's cigarettes are nicotine. YOU COULD BE DOING SO MUCH WITH PSYCHEDELIC WORM DRUGS AND INSTEAD YOU'RE JUST SETTLING FOR REGULAR OLD TOBACCO? disappointed, trigun fandom.

13. worst blorboficiation

i have actually not seen TOO much blorbofication beyond the characters i have already blorboified in trigun. that said, i feel like some of y'all are getting dangerously close to flanderizing vash. tristamp fans in particular, you're on thin fucking ice.

14. that one thing you see in fics all the time

(NSFW AHEAD)

the whole "vash has plant-like genitals" thing. it's not bad, it just doesn't really do anything for me? y'all are tagging shit with "non-human genitalia" and like at this point i practically expect it. it's the same trouble i have with tentabulges in homestuck fandom, which is; y'all have this entire alien species that you could be doing SO MUCH WITH, you could have SO much crazy alien sex shit, and instead you've all collectively decided "oh he has a small penis AND a vagina and the lips are shaped like petals" like NO. COWARDS. BE MORE CREATIVE!!! GET FUCKING WEIRD WITH IT!!! IRL PLANT SEX IS SO FUCKING WEIRD!!!! I DARE YOU!!!!!

basically i have a lot of opinions about monsterfucking in all my fandoms and they mostly boil down to "the monsters you are fucking are not monstrous enough, you cowards."

15. that one thing you see in fanart all the time

oh, hm. don't really have anything i can think of here that's choosing violence, everyone's fanarts are all so good all the time. (this is mostly because my friends and mutuals have excellent taste and only show me the best stuff.) the only things i can think of are things that canon is technically more guilty of (like the twinkification of all the tristamp characters. studio orange are cowards for making all my faves skinny teenage-looking twinks instead of mid-thirties hunks with broad shoulders.)

[homestuck-vocals]

It's SAHcon season...

....and while last year i was busy walking 500 miles, and I will walk 500 more, i'm planning something different for BEYOND KARKALICIOUS this year, a way to share a lot of old songs rapidfire-like with a bit more audience participation in the form of a.......

TRIVIA GAMESHOW

I am looking for 3-4 players interested in participating in a ~1 hour musical gameshow panel during @sahcon this year. Time unknown but I'm in PST so i am planning for for later time slots.

You do not need to have encyclopedic knowledge of old fansongs to play. I plan to have most of the questions set up as audio clips of fansongs where the answer will be accepted as EITHER the name of the parody OR the original song, AND the name of the character it was rewritten for... and recall that this is a fandom heavy with fanon voice acting. Other questions may relate to music and the Homestuck fandom more generally--memes, "where are they now", etc.

Message me or reply to this post for more information!

[bladekindeyewear]

Andrew has a post over here (or rather, “a message Hussie sent to the Perfectly Generic Podcast”) detailing his thoughts on the Epilogues, how he thought people would feel about them, and why he made them the way he did.  Interesting read-- here are my thoughts as I was reading:

Wakraya -Today at 4:34 PM

Pst pst :3 We just got a statement from Hussie on the Epilogues if you ever feel ready to check that out

BlastYoBoots -Today at 5:00 PM

ooh

yeah if there's a link?

Wakraya -Today at 5:01 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/homestuck/comments/cuywff/the_homestuck_epilogues_bridges_and_offramps_new/

BlastYoBoots -Today at 5:02 PM

yeah I was like "there's a HARDCOVER version?!??" trying to google what you described

Wakraya -Today at 5:02 PM

Oh yeah it just got announced recently, and this is what Hussie said about it, sent to the PGP people just a bit ago

BlastYoBoots -Today at 5:03 PM

collapsing the bubble, yeah... he understood all this pretty well

readin further

"it's heavily implied to be a piece of bridge-media"  --definitely, so why... there couldn't possibly be a follow-up, could there? ...

"Our continued attention is the very property which incites new problems," -- yeah, I definitely understood that as a theme of the Epilogues... but it also felt like a slap in the face to everyone invested in those characters for that exact reason, and torturing us like that should give way to SOME kind of more settling payoff to offset it, right? right andrew?.....

"But "implied" is all it was. There was no immediate announcement for followup content, and I'm not announcing anything here yet either. More time was always going to be necessary to figure out what to do next, including what form it takes, the timing, and all those questions." --okay yeah that's... SANE.  That's MORE sane than the follow-up to Homestuck it seemed to be implying, the creation half to the destruction half.  Because as much as it seemed to be implying that with those ending sections, I really couldn't imagine a continuation to such a ridiculously saturated story as FEASIBLE; you couldn't possibly loop in anyone who wasn't into the first body of work in the first place.  But... then why leave so many of the characters in such dire straits, unsatisfied, their happiness jeopardized even after the lesson was imparted about how our looking in damaged things?

"For now I think it was alright to just let things simmer for a while, and give people an extended period of time to meditate on the meaning of the epilogues and why they involved the choices they did. But regardless of anyone's conclusions about it, I can at least confirm that it WAS designed to feel like a bridge piece since its conception."  ...I'm not, uh.  ENTIRELY.  sure. that Andrew understands.  how paralyzingly invested we are in some of these characters.  :neutral_face:

"Is it this way because an epilogue SHOULD be this way? No. It is this way because I thought that was the most suitable role for an epilogue to play in the context of the weird piece of media Homestuck has always been."  Fair... but that was the impression the end of Homestuck gave us in the first place, right?  Art and message over our feelings.  That's been the strength AND curse of Andrew's work.  His relentless artistic integrity.  He's going to give the message he wants to give even if it kills us.  :c

this mulling over how he played with "Intermission" is fun, spelling it all out and how eagerly he wanted to play with and subvert those tropes...

Wakraya -Today at 5:14 PM

Oh, keep going

You're going to like the end I feel

BlastYoBoots -Today at 5:15 PM

yeah all this is gonna go up on my blog if you let me

Wakraya -Today at 5:15 PM

Absolutely! :p

BlastYoBoots -Today at 5:16 PM

"So now the label "epilogue" has been toyed with in a similar way, and also in a manner which exposes an apparent flaw with the label. Or actually, just by using the label "epilogue" at all, it seems the story is admitting to an apparent flaw." --So how were those who DID interpret the ending of Homestuck as not addressing stuff that needed to be addressed supposed to interpret it, though?  Those who needed a more explicit explanation of why Andrew was seeming to "toss aside" so much of what they cared about as stuff that "didn't matter"?

He knew those people existed... hence the outcry!

you can't deliver a message to those people with a mocking thrust, you've gotta be, hm... more delicate about it? IF, that is, you feel an obligation to those people in the first place

and I was never sure whether Andrew DOES....?

hmmmmmn

"It's already an unhinged implementation of the label before you even read it, which means it's probably time to get nervous about whether it satisfies your expectations about what the content existing under such a label should provide."  Yes, you knew people were gonna get super nervous even before they cracked open the cover... and then you DELIVERED, rather intentionally, on some of their worst fears.....?

"My feeling is, there's almost no choice but to turn the conventional ideas associated with epilogues completely inside-out, because of the inherent contradictions involved with crossing the post-canon threshold and revealing that which was not meant to be known."  Yes, and I understood Andrew was trying for that.  But... um....... what about satisfaction?  You gonna give us ANY comfort after that's been dealt with, that lesson imparted?  Why throw all our feelings by the wayside after you've communicated that overall lesson?

"By deploying it as mock-fanfiction, and including other authors, I'm making an overt gesture that is beginning to diminish my relevance as the sole authority on the direction this story takes, what should be regarded as canon, and even introducing some ambiguity into your understanding of what canon means as the torch is being passed into a realm governed by fan desires." --Yes, I've read that really good tumblr post I won't bother linking  (EDIT: because I can’t find it, or where I commented on it, it was probably in discord; could someone link that to me? the one that talked about how this epilogue posed as Fanfiction and took on those trappings but could never BE that, and how it was their opinion ((though not mine FYI)) that Andrew didnt understand that?) that expresses how the author's intervention into this "territory" ruins the effect that this sort of work is supposed to have, and how it can't be judged as similar, but given the stuff that Andrew was TRYING to get across -- the sort of, "freeing fanwork from the vestiges of canon" stuff and the other lessons he's alluding to in this very Reddit post -- he didn't have much choice in terms of presentation framework.  Could it have been presented more elegantly, less fanon-hijacky?  Sure, he ain't perfect... Could it have more explicitly endorsed other interpretations of so-called canon as more valid than this, or AS valid?  Absolutely, but he's never been one to spell things out for us so plainly... Ah, but could it have ended in a way to give those of us so nervous about the work more SATISFACTION, less grief?  THAT is an entirely DIFFERENT matter that I hope he answers as this post goes forward.... readin readin'.......

"If the epilogues really prove to be the bridge media they were designed to feel like, then I expect this trend to continue. The fanfiction format is effectively a call to action, for another generation of creators to imagine different outcomes, to submit their own work within the universe, to extend what happens beyond the epilogues, or to pave over them with their own ideas."  True, but... gosh darn, Andrew, you coulda been more explicit with that.  Especially with the potential pave-over-ability of it all.  Expressing that a lot more explicitly would have gone to help smooth over a bunch of that one tumblr post I mentioned's concerns. :T

"It's also an opportunity for people to discuss any of the difficult content critically, and for fandom in general to continue developing the tools for processing the negative emotions art can generate."  Yeah, I... have to admit, I'm not as good at dealing with negative content in media as I should be.  And that's definitely part of what is making the fanbase feel stabbed in the heart, yeah, but..... again, it feels kind of as if Andrew does NOT understand how irrationally attached so much of the fanbase is to these characters and how irrationally overinvested in their happiness, and all of this feels kind of callous.  :frowning:

Wakraya -Today at 5:27 PM

He's very aware of how powerfully a lot of people feel about it, with all he's gone through with the Fandom. He really is just like this isn't he?

BlastYoBoots -Today at 5:27 PM

"fandom is something which can develop better skills as well. Skills like critical discussion, dealing constructively with negative feelings resulting from the media they consume, interacting with each other in more meaningful ways, and trying to understand different points of view outside of the factions within fandom that can become very hardened over time."  Hmn!  That's...... true, yeah, but wow did you take a HAMMER to it instead of a scalpel

yeah

Andrew's always just

well it's like I said isn't it?

He's got that artistic vision, and even though he knows he's in an interaction with the fandom and shapes things to it by the design of the story, he is N O T compromising that artistic vision

even if it feels like a punch to the gut to us

immersion therapy :frowning:

not sure I can say whether that's right or wrong!  only that it hurt XD

Wakraya -Today at 5:29 PM

X3

It hurts, but he does understand.

Perhaps precisely because he understands, he pushes us to our limits

He doesn't matter if he loses part of his audience in the process- He wants to showcase a message.

Painful as it may be, that's kind of admirable in a stubborn way.

And when he delivers happiness, he does it in spades

BlastYoBoots -Today at 5:30 PM

yeah, he never cared about losing support because he said what he felt was necessary

Wakraya -Today at 5:30 PM

And if it is something actually like

Problematic

He does backpedal and fix things up

BlastYoBoots -Today at 5:31 PM

"But I don't see why it can't be an objective to try to improve fandom, just as creators can improve their work."  --and he was DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY trying to improve the way members of the fandom treated a WHOLE BUNCH of different affectations of the Homestuck fanfiction in the community.  that was something kind of admirable and insane throughout the epilogues... on the deeper scale, how he used the Roxy arc in Candy to at the end put the reader to task with "HEY!!! How do you know this wasn't how Roxy would canonically act in this situation? You don't know the inside of her head! ALL SORTS of stuff is valid!  You can't use those reasons to point at certain fanfiction and call it BAD."  And I do love that.  With a more insane surface example, the dog dick stuff. Jesus.  XD

"So now I'm looking to all of you on the matter of where to go next." --oh SHIT.  :X

Well, there's a problem.  XD

fuck, you can't just ASK us what we want XDDD

"Wherever the most conscientious and invested members of fandom want to drive this universe, as well as the standards by which we engage with media in general, that will be the direction I follow."  mother FUCK

well, now the pressure's on.  god help us all XD

time to post this

[paralianprince]

6, 10, 13!

6. Other characters/muns you’re interested in roleplaying with?

i dont want to call out muns by name & put them on the spot or anything, but as for characters:  LITERALLY ANY MICRONATION, canon or oc, sits proudly upon the throne of my heart

and uh.  some characters who i generally keep an eye out for, but dont really rp with At The Moment, are hong kong, netherlands, belgium, spain, germany, canada, and austria?

10. How do you feel about the interpretation of your character vs the fandom?

oh god i hope yall are ready for my answer to be literally the same as everybody else’s.  im not a fan of it and heres why.  its very rare that anyone who bothers to include him in their Content knows how kids his age actually… act

and i think what’s mostly to blame is that he was introduced alongside a cast of adults, so of course by comparison hes A Tiny. so as a result we get “anyone under thirteen = 5 or 6 year old Annoying Brat, because there are only, like, three stereotypical personalities for children to have, especially when the rest of the characters are adults.”  without considering what type of personality he would actually… have, beyond that.  

but i truly believe this probably wouldnt have happened if he was introduced at the same time as other micronations besides himself.  then the fact that he has a personality would actually be… evident, past the idea that hes bratty and annoying and spoiled Because He Is A Child, And That’s How Children Are.  his characterisation wasn’t judged from an equivalent perspective as any other member of the cast, is what i’m saying.  at least, not for a few years, which was long enough for this to happen.

but take something like, homestuck, where everyone in the cast starts at like 12 or 13.  none of them have this same problem because theyre all perceived “fairly,” i guess is how i would put it, when compared to each other.

ironically, though, compared to his fanon portrayal at least, i dont actually have that many problems with canon sealand (from strips like treasurebox or the 2010 christmas event).  i think a lot of things are actually right, or at least pretty good, so i dont mind overlooking the things i disagree with! 

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13. Three of your favorite threads.

UHHHHH ACTUALLY three that popped into my mind immediately are threads i actually am doing right now!!  reunion with @partofthemain, Meeting Magic Dad with @hillrot, and sleepover with @toberoundistobefree !!  and i felt very fortunate to be doing those three right now and enjoying them so much.  but i also want to mention three Finished Threads which were my favorites, so here are the ones that came to mind first !!

1.  the pmmm au, which will remain in my heart forever2.  pirate radio summer3.  A SPLENDID GARDEN !!!!!!!!!!

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HEE HEE HEE ok well! if you are inviting me to speculate all over you then *rubs grubby lil paws together*

(I will echo you and both stick this under a read more and note that this almost definitely will have wandersong spoilers ahead and also that if anyone reading this is in any way are interested you should play wandersong. severely underrated and really very good and is currently happily lodged in my brain)

ok first off. HOP POP AS GRANDMA SAPHY MAKES MY HEART HURTTTT he's just! whole-heartedly in anne's corner! My first thought was maybe him as manny but I really like that so much more actually

I was thinking maybe sprig as viola (exceptional fiddler/violinist + similar haircut even tho the personalities don’t match much at all) and maddie as ash (more somber/reserved + ALSO similar haircut + I don’t think maddie’s mom is in the picture at all) and possibly?? wally as manny??? (a lil odd but trying to keep the town spirit alive and also a musician? sorry I totally stole his accordion and gave it to maddie KJHLAKSDHJ). you run into some trouble at the crater scene if you stick any of the plantars in with the delphi band but that scene’d already be very different due to how different anne is to miriam so maybe not a dealbreaker? oh I’d also pitch polly as that one kid in the coffee shop reading homestuck I think polly loves to deal psychic damage

I WAS THINKING GRIME AS EYALA TOOO but it also. wasn’t really working. see part of the issue is that grime is so ride or die for sasha whereas eyala’s ride or die for no one and nothing their vibes are just too dissonant. do you think maybe toads as the pirates and grime as francisco?? (the beleaguered voice of reason in a crew of absolute goobers a la grime prior to meeting sasha) it’d absolutely decontextualize them from sasha unfortunately but sasha decontextualizes herself from everyone else by taking up audrey’s mantle so </3

My thoughts with andrias being the baron was “big looming presence directly tied to marcy” and also how fun it’s be to draw him in silhouette with glowing eyes like the baron is but I agree the answer’s a lot more interesting if you take marcy’s home life and subsequent demeanor into account both in canon and in this au. (I’LL ALSO AGREE THE CORE BEING HAPPPY KID IS VERY FUN I DIDN’T EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT?? just this pervasive little Thing creeping into every little corner that everyone’s beyond weary of and andrias has dedicated his life to). mayhaps andrias as the dream king (unreliable third party in the midst of the main 3’s conflict also would make a sick final boss) or eyala (manipulative, initially chummy with the bard before actions get called into question (tho unlike andrias eyala’s not really. malicious she’s just a lot)) or even idk. markus the divorce sailor????????? there’s only one character who was really willing to canonically like. stab kiwi. and sasha takes that role without question.

I didn’t even think about yunan and olivia how could I… I really like olivia as a more reluctant elmer and yunan as in some way part of the subterfuge gang it’s very fun! (and I think chismest gang works 1000% better overall but also, consider: how fun it’d be to draw them as the spell squad…) hmmmm what else what else… mrs croaker as ruby… ivy as nina… loggle.... also in langtree… andrias’ former friends who’s names fanon or otherwise I don’t know as hala? But then that maybe pushes andrias into the witch queen’s position which is a little bit messy to figure out too

(soso sorry for the possibly incomprehensible textdump aswell as literally all of my ideas being based off of vibes and impressions alone LOL I at times have many thoughts,)

ok talk 2 me about amphibia wandersong au. what are the plantars/grime up to. is andrias the baron

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First off.. anyone who wants to play wandersong for themselves or watch a playthrough of it I recommend not reading this post to avoid SPOILERS!!! There will be lots of that here (and I also recommend not reading it even if u don’t mind, wandersong is something best experienced for urself blind :’) but again, that’s just my own opinion! Feel free to do whatever u want :thumbsup: )

This is all under read more for above reason… and the undeniable fact that this will be novella type long ramblings. I am so sorry.

I have to admit before anything else that I haven’t been able to give much thought to what happens to the other characters in this au ToT. amphibia’s cast doesn’t compare to the whole of wandersong’s ! so ive thought of keeping most of the characters in the game to here and maybe swapping a few of them where it most fits… most of everything im gonna be saying here is highly subject to change!!

NOW ONTO THE ACTUAL CHARACTERS U ASKED LMFAO SORRY THIS IS… SO LONG.

Im not actually sure whether its best to make the amphibians human or keep them as amphibians. Making them human seems like the logical choice, but wandersong as a world is quirky enough where no one would bat an eye at humanoid frog people, lol, but I digress! Anything would work, really

The most ive thought about the plantars is that anne lives w them over at Delphi! Some wartwoodian folk live at the town, some don’t. most of them fit more in langtree tbh, but whatever fits whatever. Annes backstory has changed a lot too. For one thing, she and the plantars aren’t related by blood, and so she is the only witch known to live in the town. (she was kinda regarded similarly in season 1 canon as a ‘monster’) in short, annes adopted! And the plantars were the only ones willing to take her in to their home. And yes they are still farmers in this au.

Grime (and the toads in general) is……………. difficult to think about since like, they don’t have any sort of foundation for them T_________T one of the saddest things abt Audrey is how she literally had… no one on her side that she was close to on a personal level, or at the very least no one was shown or was there any implication that there was. Eyala is there, but that was only due to circumstance, and everyone who has played wandersong knows how that even ended up in canon. And as such, m’not sure what to make of grime’s role o(-( I am so sorry. Ive thought of swapping him w eyala, but that does NOT fit at all. The next best thing is that the toads would be new characters and that sasha would actually have other support systems throughout the whole plot, but she’d probably be more distant from them in comparison to canon.

As for the newts. Oh boy. Another difficult thing to tackle, though a bit less than the toads since theres something to scrounge for here. Andrias could def fit the baron! Regarding him as like, the Big Guy and santa claus and all. But as marcy’s dad? That’s where it gets complicated I think kjhkjhsdfjk. Man its so hard to think about their families in this when we’ve got little to no content of them in canon :’) annes was easy since in-game theyre… *coughs*, but anyways back to marcy

Im not sure on what to do w her parents, of keeping them as in the game or in amphibia. Marcy kinda fits kiwis personality to a certain extent if I kept them as the former. Like, I imagine her moving away from home to get away from her fam and Chismet in general. [holding back from rambling abt marcys relationship w everyone bc im trying to focus on the newts] UHUH UHUH UH I have a feeling its best to keep her parents as in the game (viable to change if her parents in the show are ever revealed) and some newts in the show live in chismet

Andrias… what do I do with you big guy… Whatever it is he works in the factory, too. If he WERE to be the baron though, then thats a whole nother can of worms to open. So much stuff to unpack here in regards to what happened to him and how he got there. (oh my god imagine the core as the stupid happy kid toy. That’s so.)

as for Olivia and yunan. They live in chismet and work for the factory as well, Olivia can fit elmer to a certain degree, though except of being… what he is in the game, she’d kinda be less intense and is actually privy to the plan to take the factory down. Yunan is also a part of said plan, whether she takes elara’s role is something im not sure of. I imagine yulivia to just kinda be these two dancing around each other, and in the end of everything is when they talk things out :’)

GOD ALRIGHT. UHM. This is long. And this doesn’t even cover HALF of what wandersong is. Lots of stuff to work on here. If anyone else has ideas feel free to send em to me whether in asks or like, reblog this post!!

And again, this is all subject 2 change !!! this au is less of fitting everything and more of me having fun w the calamity trio and cramming them into kiwi, miriam and audrey’s roles in wandersong lol. I cant even begin to think of how to manage all of that the other way around kjhdfkhdfg

That said, if the person reading this hasn’t, please check out wandersong!!!! It is so deeply, deeply underrated, and it has given me so many reasons to smile in the past few years ive known it!!! If u have time of ur day where u just want to relax and be a bard and save the world and sing ur silly little songs, this game is a must >:D