#Future Goku

[secretsofdbz]

Alright, timelines. (link to my old post)

Today I'm going to walk you through the cluster fuck of Toriyama not paying attention to what he writes from the Trunks arc to the epilogue of the Perfect Cell arc.

Reminder that I divide the "Android Saga" in 4 arcs:

Trunks arc (arrival of Frieza to 3yg training),

Android arc (until the time machine is discovered)

Imperfect Cell arc (until Cell absorbs 18)

Perfect Cell arc (+ epilogue of Trunks killing imperfect Cell)

I will also pull Toei and Daizenshu content if needed just to show how bad it gets, BUT that's just to enhance my argument. Everything here is manga-deductible without extra context or content.

As I've shown in the link above, the manga implies 4 timelines:

Forgotten timeline (Cell kills Trunks and steals his time machine),

Lost timeline (the timeline that dead!Trunks traveled to, which did not have a Cell pop in the middle of its Android Saga, otherwise Trunks would've known about Cell),

Future Timeline (the one we know and see, Trunks traveled to a uni where Cell traveled to first, so there's changes and Cell pops up in the Android saga),

Main Timeline (the one we know and follow, to which Cell and Trunks traveled to),

Let's go into details about dates and math and everything first. (under the read more because LONG)

When Future Trunks discovers dead!Trunks' time machine, he states that it comes from age 788, which is 3 years from where he comes from (which means he comes from 785), and that the Machine landed here "4 years ago". 4 years ago was about one year before Trunks first came (aka one year before Meca Frieza stuff).

During the first trip, Trunks states he comes from 20 years into the future.

That means during his first trip, he went from 784/785 to 764.

We also know he's 17 at this point and "will be born in 2 and a half years"

(Baby Trunks is supposed to be ~6 months old by May 12th, 767, so "I warn in 764, I'll be born in 2.5 years, so I was born in 766" works. Ignoring the wikis about Trunks' birthday being June and Future Trunks' birthday being in November, it doesn't matter here, we just need the years))

For Trunks to be 17 during his first trip, he needs to travel from 784 (before his 18th birthday). So by the time he comes back the second time, it needs to be in 785 (so he is 18!); since it takes 8 months to charge the machine (Trunks the Story manga chapter), that works out.

So in terms of trips, we have:

Trunks (both versions) : (early-mid) 784 to 764

Trunks (both versions): (early-ish) 785 to May 12th 767

Cell: 788 to 763

(handy recap sheet)

At the time, for Toei, there were only two Timelines (aka it was both multiverse theory AND dynamic time travel theory, because Trunks becoming aware of Cell who killed him means Trunks isn't killed by Cell... yeah it's all sorts of EHH ??):

(Toei pamphlet for the Super Android 13 movie)

(animedia 1992-1993, "Dragon Ball Z across time special, new year summary")

Anyway, you'd think this would be fine right? The image of Cell killing Trunks while he still had his sword (which he shouldn't since he broke it on 18's arm he never used it again in canon) is anime filler, we're all good.

Except... no. This fucking panel right here. Cell explains "(the machine/bots collecting dna) could've gotten Trunks cells but didn't because we had enough Saiyan cells".

Cell supposedly comes from a timeline where GOKU killed Frieza and Cold. But this god forsaken panel contradicts that. (of course it's just that Tori forgot, but we are DB fans, we take things seriously and word of god of the manga is supreme and can't be wrong)

This means that THIS particular version of Cell doesn't come from the Forgotten Timeline.

The Cell we know and love/hate comes from a timeline in which a future Trunks killed Frieza and Cold, BUT everything still went to shit (Goku + gang dying, dead!Trunks traveling to the past, and coming back to destroy the Androids).

In this timeline, Bulma met Future Trunks (who killed Cold and Frieza) in 764, presumably the gang got all the warnings like in the main timeline, but everyone STILL died. So she invented the Time Machine to send her Trunks to the past (perhaps with different instructions so as to not repeat the mistakes of the Future Trunks she saw 20 years prior).

Here's the thing. There is a way for this timeline to exist. You "just" gotta work on the postulate that "each time there's a time travel to the past, a new branch is created". And "if the time machine travels back in time a second time, it lands in the timeline it first branched out unless it travels back further in time". Rephrased: The "784 to 764" trip created a new branch in 764. The "785 to 767" trip landed in that new 764 branch. However the "788 to 763" trip created a whole new branch in 763.

The Time Machine that was piloted by dead!Trunks actually "traveled further back in time", creating an earlier "branch"... which is why Trunks noticed changes, including Goku's late arrival (or Frieza's earlier arrival, we don't know).

Yes, because Future Goku did not use Instant Transmission to fight Frieza and Cold. We know he didn't because Future Bulma had the coordinates where Goku landed, which is how Future Trunks got said coordinates. If Goku had IT to fight Frieza and Cold, Bulma wouldn't have known where the pod was going to land 3 hours later.

So timelines and where does Cell come from? Well you need a timeline from the Branch that started in 764 (with a Future Trunks' arrival to kill Frieza and Cold) but in which everyone died to the Androids, and in which, when Trunks traveled back home, he was able to destroy the Androids...

Anyway here's my final recap of all the timelines in Z, in which "one time travel is one interference creating a new branch". And this is how we can see where Cell comes from :D

This opens a realm of possibilities!!

Did a version of Trunks stay in the past, during his first trip and got a wish to Shenron to have a way to destroy his androids, so he didn't come back in 767 and didn't grow strong at all? Did the future trunks that warned against the Androids but that timeline still went to shit approached the problem differently?? who knows! Time for fanfics and doujins I guess :D

Peace!

[agokuaday]

Can I offer.. ghost Future Goku? :)

day 126

uhhhhhhh can I offer you a ghostly future goku angst gochi ? I'm literally sorry for this one </3 future timeline gochi literally eviscerates me, like goku must have died with so many regrets and future chichi.. god FUTURE CHICHI.... AAAA

anyways thank you for this one ! i am in pain </3

[megamattzx]

Preview to Dragon Ball New Frontier Time Dead Redemption. Alternate Future Goku centric story.

"Part of me wishes I could still be with her," The alternate version of Goku told his counterpart. It was clear he was in emotional pain. Guilt in his voice and eyes. Tears can even be seen falling down his cheeks. "But.... I'll never change...... I just can't.......”

Goku tried to find the right words to comfort his alternate counterpart but it wasn't easy. “You got to give her time to process everything,” he finally told his alternate self. “Reflect on all of your mistakes, and once you're both finally in the right mindset, try to-” that's when he was cut off by his alternate future version. Even though he wasn't necessarily exactly from the Future Trunks timeline, he knew.

“Will you shut up with that bullshit!?” Future Goku snapped back. “I already know I fucked up!” the more he continued his ranting, the angrier at himself he became towards himself. “No amount of time is going to let her forgive me or address the damn problem! She's done with me! She made that very clear!” And before Goku could even say anything, Future Goku snapped back again. “I'm not going to cling on to false hopes that I can try to communicate the problem at hand. I ain't going to push this even further and fight a losing battle! My version of Chi-Chi is done with me! I broke her trust too many times and now she wants nothing to do with me! No doubt wanting the boys not to speak to me ever again! It's what I fucking deserve!”

“You know that ain't true!” Goku tried to snap back. “you just got to fix a bit of yourself first!”

“I ain't going to change!” Future Goku told him. “And I'm not going to be able to give her the proper amount of time to heal! Nor can I give her to think about what needs to change either! As much as I love her, I have to let her go!”

“Oh yeah?” Goku said sardonically. “And what makes you think that!?”

“Because I don't have much time left!” Future Goku finally said. Beginning the cough after he said that. Pretty nasty cough at that. Goku watched this his eyes widened when he saw blood on his counterparts on hand. His own blood that he coughed up.

“I can tell the whole situation with Chi-Chi isn't the only thing bothering you,” Goku finally said calmly. Clearly wanting to know what was also going on with his counterpart and friend. Maybe this was going to help him understand why Future Goku was giving up on his version of Chi-Chi and their relationship. And accepting the consequences rather than trying to fix it even though there's clearly a possibility for him to. “What's really going on? You okay Future?”

Future Goku didn't understand all the nicknames that everyone gave each other to identify the others with but he played along. Started to see why it was easier to identify people with. Which version of Goku he was talking to for example. Taking a deep sigh after his brief coughing attack, he finally confessed to his friend. “I don't have much time left,” Future Goku said. Taking a deep breath before he was specific. “I'm dying, Hero. I got the demon plague. I got it, beating that Broly we fought a few months back. While dealing with him and that so-called Frieza Red Ribbon gang, just to get an extra bit of money, money that I sent to Chi-Chi anonymously, to cover Goten’s education.”

Goku was shocked by this revelation. He couldn't even believe his eyes as this happened. He couldn't help but feel sorry for his counterpart. It was already bad enough that this version of Future Chi-Chi was actually considering divorcing him in his timeline, but this was even more of a wake-up call than anything Chi-Chi could do. “You know you should have been honest with her that it was for Goten to get his education stuff. She's trying to send it back,” Goku told him sternly. “She's been trying to send it back but because it was anonymous, she couldn't find out who it was.”

“She would have definitely sent it back if she knew,” Future Goku told Goku bluntly. “She wouldn't accept anything I try to give for the boys either, because it would be me trying to win her back, in her eyes.”

Goku just felt a bit of anger towards his alternate future counterpart. Sure his counterpart did screw up, but that wasn't why he was angry at him. He was angry at the fact that he had given up on her so quickly. At least that's what it seemed like. “Demon plague isn't something that kills you in a short amount of time,” Goku explained as calmly as he possibly could as he quickly was trying to figure out what caused him to have this defeated mindset. ”Why the hell would you give up on her like this!?” his anger and impatience was becoming more and more evident as this happened. Even if the Earth Saiyan didn't want to admit it.

“I gave up on trying to make it up and reconcile with her, only a few weeks ago,” the alternate future version of the Earth Saiyan finally admitted. “When I found out I had it…..” the damn fool took a deep breath before finally admitting it. “I was foolish enough not to notice the sign sooner. The early stages that I had it. The slight coughs. The occasional fevers, headaches, chest pains. I was a fool. Buried myself in my own work as a Time Patroller, to escape from the reality I was in with my version of Chi-Chi. Became more reckless too. I assume me getting reckless was how I even got sick in the first place.”

Goku felt his blood boil slightly from hearing every detail that his counterpart was saying. He couldn't help but feel angry at the fact that this version of Goku got so selfish and burying himself in his own duties to try to get away from his reality. All while trying to provide for his family behind the scenes without them knowing that he was okay. He couldn't bash them too much for recklessness. He would be a hypocrite if he did. But he could call him out for the worse recklessness. Getting too reckless. And sure this version of Goku made a drastic mistake, but knowing that he met other versions of himself that were in similar positions, but still managed to make things right to their partners made him want to slap this counterpart in the face. But he couldn't do that. Not until he heard the full thing.

“Wasn’t until I had a massive coughing attack in Conton City, that forced me to go to the doctor, before I found out,” Future Goku added before finishing the last part which caused Goku's eyes to widen in horror. “When I found out I also found out I just entered the terminal stages.”

[lili250307]

we lost and won at the same time. YIPPEEE

[forever-yours-things]

[scipunk]

Goku Midnight Eye (1989)

[whirlydoodle]

meme redraw

inspired by this tweet https://twitter.com/jefe24s/status/1276514851788075008

[pikapillar]

The future is rose

[dragonballclassic]

[spidertams]

In Toriyama’s memory.

[mushroomwriter]

DRAGON BALL Z episode 122

[smuby]

art dump. again. for the uh, 5th time I think

(goku design by @//sporrkks)

[iamryrito]

Warriors Z - Dragon Ball Z

[turtletoads]

evil goku

[masenkoha]

[sixsix680]

i dont knowwwww have some more chibis