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-thinks about all the Undertale Gaster fans who are fans of a character who was CUT FROM THE GAME-
i love people with favorite characters who barely have any content. i hope you feast well on your three comically tiny bread crumbs tonight
#I think he was later added back#i forget if that was console only#or if you had to do something hacky#and even then you need to have the right fun value to even encounter him#AND EVEN THEN THERE IS JUST ONE SCREEN WITH ALMOST NO CONTENT#and now fans just have all this freaking lore#scraping it from what journal entries?#and so many fan works#which is 1% from the game#99% what they made up on their own#oh and datamined things#egg
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Dragon Age OCs
This will be an extensive post so obviously I'm going to put it under a read more and also tag it with spoilers... because not everyone has finished Veilguard!
That being said, I've put everything in order of most recent game to the earliest, that way if you're only interested in what weird shit I'm cooking for Veilguard, it'll be right there at the top.
EDIT: this got long. This post is Veilguard only. I'll put Origins and Dragon Age 2 in a different one.
This is mostly for my own personal reference as I continue to write banter and fanfiction, but I like posting it where people can see it if they get curious. This is all subject to change, as OCs can (and should) change as their writers do. That's progress and growth, babey.
Maybe someday I'll even include screenshots of my OCs. Dragon Age Origins my crusty beloved.
Don't care about this post but you're curious about the OC template I made? Just scroll to the bottom of the post!
Anyways, onto OC rambling!
Veilguard
Lanalath De Riva (he/they)
My currently canon playthrough. Not my current playthrough, just my canon Rook atm. This might change with time.
🐦⬛Stats🐦⬛
Age: 29
Race: Elf, non-Dalish
Faction: Antivan Crows my beloved
Class: Sword and Orb mage.
Specialization: Spellblade, lightning and fire focused. This was nuts to run, and I did it by accident.
Romance: Lucanis the disaster that you are
Birthplace: Seheron
Brief backstory:
Ngl this one was a hassle to work out. Originally Lana was a Lords of Fortune named Monarch, only I did a full playthrough and then realized Lana fit the Crows far better. And then I changed their entire backstory bc it no longer fit 😭
So Lana is, as you read, from Seheron originally. This is partially due to The Iron Bull's influence, I hyperfixated pretty hard during Inquisition.
Lana's one of many in that shitshow of a war-torn nation, probably made exceptionally worse now that the Antaam's separated from the Qun. Bioware give us more world politics and lore.
Their story is pretty straight to the point, and very DA2 and DAO inspired. In the endless war between Tevinter and the Qunari, some magister decided that a feral elf child from Seheron would make an excellent gift, and kidnapped them. Lana (a la Anders vibes) stubbornly refused to give their birthname, and was renamed by another elven slave aboard the ship.
This slaver ship got sunk before it could make it to port, and Lana was one of the ones that survived.
Through sheer luck, they made it to Antiva, and barely scraping by, made it to sixteen years of age.
And then a young Viago fell out of a window directly on top of them trying to escape someone inevitably trying to kill him, and a friendship was formed.
Lana stayed glued to his side since then, being his loyal shadow, until the Crows gave up trying to separate the two and just recruited Lana instead.
Viago's "canonically" (via datamined information) 32ish, so there's only a three year difference, making them have an incredibly strong rapport.
As a result of their childhood, Lana speaks fluent Qunlat and Antivan, and a handful of Tevene. This means the Crows send them to deal with the Antaam when needs must.
What happens if Lana doesn't become Rook/doesn't romance Lucanis:
It takes an incredibly long time, but Teia and Viago eventually get Lana into their bed (and into their hearts). Lana remains Viago's shadow, and helps Taash guide those who choose to split from the Antaam into better lives. Also helps deal with the sudden influx of Tal-Vashoth in Antiva. Even after the Antaam, you know population statistics are going to drastically change.
Other OCs Lana knows: Kaarash-Taar (later documented), Ghil'danan (later documented), Wren (later documented), and Riesel (later documented).
Ghil'danan Ingellvar (he/him, ftm)
My favorite punching bag. Idk why I love traumatizing him specifically so much, but I do. I've written considerably more for him than I have my other OCs, and I'm almost done with my playthrough of him. And by almost I mean like. Post the two dragon fight.
🪲Stats🪲
Age: 32
Race: Elf, alienage
Faction: Mourn Watch! My favorite goths.
Class: Warrior, sword and shield
Specialization: Reaper. It made sense for Mourn Watch. Surprisingly, not my favorite, though the death tornado is cool.
Romance: Emmrich, my beloved. I keep wanting to spell it "Emmerich". Old classy goth x Grungepunk goth energy. Sorry, dad.
Birthplace: Denerim! *Rubs hands together evilly*
Backstory:
I'll...try and keep this one short. I've been hyperfixating on him lately so his stuff's gotten out of control.
Ghil was born in the Denerim alienage, pre-blight. Raised briefly by his mother, he wasn't born Ghil'danan, it was the name he took later on.
Ghil's father was out of the picture from the start. His mother shared stories of his father growing up, so he's aware neither of them wanted to part, but there was a lot of baggage and kids learn young not to press on things that make their parents cry later.
Fast forward to the events of DA:O.
Ghil is more or less raised with Shanni as a sort of sister figure. Events begin steamrolling, his mother is one of the elves sold to Tevinter by Loghain (when I catch you Loghain Loghain when I catch you), and he's witness to all the horror of The Wedding. Those of you who played City Elf origin know what I'm talking about.
Ghil develops a hatred of Shems (he gets better, but those scars run deep, and I don't blame him), and things get dicey with Shanni. I'm tiptoeing around it because origins was very direct with Shanni's alcoholism.
The blight hits, the Alienage gets overrun, and Ghil flees. He loses Shanni in the chaos, and gets temporarily picked up and thrown into a tree by the overhead Archdemon, therefore cementing his fear of dragons and heights.
He obviously survives the fall, and runs past a human girl pinned in place by an ogre that was killed by a piece of fallen rubble.
He hesitates. Remembers that his mother would have wanted him to be kind to those in need, and with a LOT of effort, saves the girl.
They flee the city together. He learns her name is Wren, an orphan. Ghil is twelve as of the fall of Denerim. Wren is seven.
I'm not gonna get into the more mary sue aspects of Ghil's personality, but needless to say, it turns out Wren has the blight, Ghil willingly makes a deal with a spirit to transfer his brand spanking new magic to her to postpone her blighted condition, and they make it into Nevarra by sneaking through the Orlesian border. This is not easy, but they're children so it's easy...er. Easier.
Mourn Watch goes "hey that's some interesting magic you've got there" and takes Wren in who's like "hey fuck you take my brother too" and they're like "these two are definitely not related but okay"
And then they attend schooling together, until a few years later when Wren's condition begins to worsen again, because it's the BLIGHT, and she gets recruited into the Wardens.
This is where Wren and Ghil's paths split. More later on Wren. For now, my punching bag.
With Ghil's genius, fierce sister out of the way, he gets bullied RELENTLESSLY. Ghil's a smart cookie, but his grades begin to drop and he fully introverts.
Then, Hezenkoss takes him in as her student. Sort of. He's technically her student, but moreso she wanted a henchman to narrate at, and he got stuck doing a lot of manual labor.
Hezenkoss gets him trained up as a Reaper, especially as he shoots up like a weed and becomes The Second Tallest Elf Ever (I'm looking at you, Halsin Baldurs Gate 3), and transitions. Hezenkoss doesn't notice. He's not her Archnemesis Emmrich, so she doesn't care.
She also doesn't notice when he anonymously tips off the Mourn Watch that she's up to shit. Someone had to be the whistleblower, that's all I'm saying.
And from there, he graduates into a proper member of the Mourn Watch.
After a chance encounter with Professor Volkarin in the Memorial Gardens (with the tissue box, a la Clue), Volkarin comforts a grieving eighteen year old who has incredibly complicated feelings about the death of Shanni and being completely alone in the Mourn Watch.
Volkarin is unaware that this not only revives passion in the Mourn Watch in the Youth (this is actually pre-transition, oops), but plants the seeds of a budding affection.
Ghil then spends the next fourteen years trying to forget his first crush, fails miserably, wrecks several relationships in the process, and changes completely by getting tattoos and pretty much only ever hanging out with the dead.
And Myrna and Vorgoth.
Then the events of the game happen, and oh no! Guess there are Still Feelings for Volkarin, and now Ghil is helpless to fall head over heels in a proper, adult love.
What happens if Ghil isn't Rook/doesn't romance Emmrich?:
Let's be honest. Ghil would always romance Emmrich. But in the course of "never became Rook and Emmrich old man yaoi'd with Strife", it's...hm. A bit sad.
Wren dies in the end (unless she's Rook). So Ghil fully closes off to the living, and spends the rest of his life with the dead. He still has a living friend in Lana, of course (to be explained in Wren's backstory), but that's the most of it. I'd like to hope that Ghil falls in love with someone else. Do I, the writer, think he will? No. Ghil has been spending fourteen years trying to fight his own heart. He's one of those people who wants to move on but just can't. It's the inherent tragedy of his life.
Where the hell is Ghil's dad in all this?:
He's one of the Greater Dead. Literally cannot leave the Necropolis, got the love of his life pregnant and kicked it. Ghil has no idea, and Etheldredd also has no idea that his child is a part of the Mourn Watch.
The Necropolis is vast. Maybe they'll find each other posthumously.
Other OCs Ghil knows:
Lana, Wren (to be documented, but also duh), Riesel (to be documented). Very vaguely Din, a HoF OC, because she was at The Wedding and lived in the same alienage.
Wren (she/they)
She's baby and I love her. Too bad I'm addicted to the inherent tragedy of the plot. I'm not goth for nothing.
🦅Stats🦅
Age: 27
Race: Human!
Faction: Grey Wardens, my favorite narrative punching bag. Or Bioware's, besides the elves.
Class: Mage, whackin' stick staff.
Specialization: Death Caller! I haven't played it yet but I plan to for her playthrough. Seemed appropriate.
Romance: Undecided. Maybe Bellara, because Neve's already planned for someone else and I managed to make Harding disapprove of me A LOT in the beginning of my Wren Run.
Taash is also definitely on the table. As I said, undecided.
Birthplace: Denerim! Same as Ghil.
Backstory:
The majority of Wren's early childhood can be referenced in Ghil's long-winded backstory. So this'll hopefully be shorter.
Wren was the illicit bastard of a Chantry sister and a Templar. Thus, she got dropped off on the orphanage's steps and summarily forgotten.
Despite this, Wren had a pretty happy childhood! Sure there was the occasional haunting and blood magic and slew of murders in Denerim, but that's pretty normal.
...right?
She knows who her father is, simply because his conscience is more guilty than her mother's. Her father stopped by to check up on the orphanage regularly on his circuit, and she often got cheap gifts from a father who was rarely there.
Still, she dreamed of being a Templar when she grew up.
Flash forward, Denerim, the Blight, everyone dies, and she finds a brother in Ghil'danan.
For a while, Wren remains one of the top students in the Mourn Watch. She grows up, attends lectures by Volkarin who becomes a mentor figure to her, and perfects her magecraft.
And then, her blight symptoms get worse.
Wren collapses on her way to class, and is found by a Grey Warden, who offers to recruit her and stay the Blight's hand a while longer.
She agrees. (This is where her particular backstory gets a fuckton of content warnings, so I'm going to keep it light. To be blunt, my OCs are often a dumping ground for trauma, and Wren got a lot of the heavier ones. Trigger warning for grooming and abuse. There'll be red text like this when trigger warnings are over.)
Wren is trained specifically by one Warden, the one who saved her. He's an older Weisshaupt veteran who's well-respected, and encourages her as she grows.
And when she turns eighteen, he tells her that due to her young age, it could reflect poorly on him that he made her do the Joining so young. He tells her that if she wants to remain a Grey Warden she'll marry him, and she owes him for it because he saves her life.
And for a few years, this works. She endures a very abusive relationship.
And then, Ghil finds out.
Because of her Warden husband's venerated status, he's hard to bring to justice, so Ghil just takes the swifter path.
He hires a Crow, a young one named Lana De Riva, and although they're reluctant when they find out it's a Warden that's the target, context for the hit makes them agree.
And together, they make it seem like an accident.
Wren's highly conflicted at first, but over time, settles into her new, freed role. She becomes a Warden librarian, for lack of a better term, and finds herself. She still keeps a low profile in the worries that someone will find out what her brother did, but remains relatively at peace even as her Calling slowly creeps closer.
What happens if Wren isn't Rook/doesn't romance anyone?:
Well, Wren's a strong independent nonbinary who don't need no man, but she's also got the constitution of wet paper in a typhoon. So when she's not Rook, she participates in Weisshaupt. While she survives, the aftereffects of adding more blight to her system is what eventually does her in, much to Ghil's grief.
I like to think she becomes a spirit of Kindness or Joy. Or good ol' fashioned Wisdom.
Did the Templar father make it?:
If he did I'd make him kick it at Therinfal Redoubt. But no he doesn't. Wren still has his Templar cloak that he gave her, once. She's got mixed feelings on her father.
OCs that Wren knows: Ghil (duh), and Lana.
In the circumstances where she dies, Lana and Ghil pull a favor with Riesel to get her HoF father to accompany Wren to the Deep Roads, as he's her idol and an uncorrupted part of the Wardens. So technically, she meets Lithe Surana, my DA:O OC and canon HoF.
Kaarash-Taar (he/him)
Finally, a bulwark of maturity and a breath of fresh air in the Trauma Squad. I'm very excited to play Kaarash in a later playthrough. Because I've been focused on the Traumatized Three, I haven't given too much thought to him yet. Just basic sketches of ideas.
🐍Stats🐍
Age: 31
Race: Qunari, Vashoth
Faction: Shadow Dragons
Class: Warrior, two-handed
Specialization: Slayer, I think! Give me back Reaver, Bioware.
Romance: Neve. Honestly bc I'm a gay transman I almost never go for the female LIs, but Neve... she's cool as hell. I wanna see what she's like. Incidentally when I made Kaarash I forgot Neve belonged to the Shadow Dragons factions LMAO
Birthplace: he doesn't know! Most of his young life was spent at sea.
Backstory:
Kaarash-Taar is an orphan, picked up by an old Tal-Vashoth sailor nicknamed Beres.
Beres, who grew up under the Qun, did what any ex-beresaad would do - drag the kid onto his Captain's ship and teach him the ways of the world and the Qun.
Ironically, this happened to be Isabela's ship.
Beres was a part of Isabela's old crew, pre DA2 events. He heavily respected his captain, and expected the same of his adoptive son.
When Isabela's ship was wrecked in the reefs, Beres and his young son survived, being taken aboard a ship while adrift at sea.
This was seen as a miracle, until they learned it was a slaver's ship, and the two were supposed to be cargo.
That didn't go to plan. Years of work as Beresaad and then with Isabela made Beres a wickedly sharp warrior, and Kaarash was much the same way. They managed to corral the slaves, enact a plan to overthrow the slavers, and successfully executed it, taking over the ship.
For the first time, Beres was a captain, and for nearly ten years Kaarash stayed by his father's side.
Later, when it turned out Isabela was alive, Beres joined his crew to hers and went back under her captaincy. But by this point, Kaarash was a young adult and hotblooded, feeling the energy of the revolutions happening around him.
Around this time he separated from them, drifting from place to place, helping refugees and freeing slaves. Around this time, he met Riesel, a young elven woman with an impressive family legacy, and decided to travel together in search of like-minded people.
Eventually, they found it in the Shadow Dragons.
While Beres doesn't necessarily agree with his son's revolutionary actions (he thinks it'll get Kaarash killed), he reluctantly supports his son nonetheless. After all, Kaarash has proven time and time again to be a tactical leader, and as time passed on, cool-headed under pressure.
What if Kaarash doesn't become Rook/doesn't romance anyone?:
He's still fighting with the Shadow Dragons. Maybe he'll romance Hal or something, that guy's fried fish does seem like it's worth being a little gay for.
OCs he knows: Riesel, Lana. Technically he knows Ghil, but like. Distantly. They don't talk, really, but they get along well enough.
Riesel (she/they/doesn't care)
Riesel's actually the oldest in terms of how long she's been in my brain for! I made her back in 2018, when I played Dragon Age Origins for the first time. She was baby then. Now, like many of us who did the math and realized our Wardens' children are grown adults in Veilguard, she's a fully fleshed out OC.
She's also probably the only one I'm not going to do a playthrough for, because....well, maybe. Idk. We'll see.
🐍Stats🐍
Age: 28ish
Race: Elf (non-Dalish)
Faction: Shadow Dragons
Class: Rogue, stabby
Specialization: Duelist! It looks incredibly fun and fits her backstory.
Romance: If she absolutely had to romance someone from the party, it would be Davrin, I think. He's got his shit mostly....together.....and Emmrich's too old for her tastes.
Otherwise she'd romance, idk, the Viper or something. Or Tarquin AND the Viper, which would drive her father to an early Calling.
Birthplace: Amaranthine City. For those of you who played Dragon Age: Awakening, you know where this is going. Probably.
Backstory:
*cracks knuckles excitedly*
Riesel was born to two loving, wonderful elven parents doing their best in an arling that hates elves. Like most of Ferelden. And the rest of Thedas, unless you're Bioware and suddenly pretend that the racism from your last three games doesn't exist.
And then, her parents died in the assault on Amaranthine city.
She was left wandering the rubble, crying loudly and dragging along a stuffed nug, until some tall man in shiny armor came and picked her up and tried to help her locate her family.
And he did, but they were in less than stellar condition, so he said "I guess you're mine now" and swept her away.
His husband, the ex-Crow, was exasperated but too smitten with his new spouse to tell his darling Warden "no".
(but really, Zevran did actually want to take care of her as much as Lithe Surana did.)
And so the pair raised their little girl lovingly. Riesel grew up fluent in Orlesian and Antivan, learned to throw knives, and sneak around so that her fathers didn't know what she was getting into.
(They did, but only interrupted when it was actually dangerous.)
Over time she learned a few rules.
1. Never be a Crow, Marry a Crow, or Hire a Crow. Fuck them Crows.
2. No joining the Grey Wardens. There are no griffons, and it'll make your uncle Alistair really sad.
These truths were ingrained in Riesel, and eventually she grew up to be a relatively responsible and level-headed adult. Who wanted to be a Grey Warden, but wasn't allowed to, so she settled for the next best thing.
The Friends of Red Jenny. This is who she was with before she met her best friend Kaarash-Taar.
Together, they traveled together to try and help people while her dads were away trying to cure the Blight, and eventually the pair joined the Shadow Dragons together, remaining a bombastic dynamic duo.
What happens if she doesn't become Rook/doesn't romance anyone?:
Romance is dead, or will be shortly, if Zevran has anything to say about his precious baby's relationships. Also Riesel doesn't care. Regardless, she's off saving people with the Shadow Dragons and doing things that will definitely send her parents to an early grave.
OCs she knows: Lana, Kaarash-Taar, Ghil, and Wren if Wren goes through the Calling.
TEMPLATE IN CASE YOU WANNA WRITE YOUR OC SHENANIGANS
Name:
Age:
Race:
Faction:
Class:
Specialization:
Romance:
Birthplace:
Backstory:
What happens if [pronouns] doesn't become Rook/doesn't romance someone?:
Other OCs they have connections to:
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Anyway, that's it for this humongous OC dump! I hope you enjoyed, and if you use the template, feel free to tag me in it! I love hearing about people's OCs.
Have a good night, and happy Dragon Age!
#my writing#OCs#ghil'danan for oc tagging#wren for oc tagging#Lanalath for OC tagging#Kaarash-Taar for OC tagging#Riesel Surana for OC tagging#dragon age veilguard#veilguard spoilers#dragon age veilguard spoilers#dav spoilers#dav#datv spoilers#datv#dragon age origins#warden surana#dragon age rook
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Corner Talk about in Regards to PB's Announcement in Sharing Paid Contents
So, at this point everyone has read the recent announcement PrettyBusy has posted in regards to sharing ANY paid content. For the full announcement you can access it here but for those that just wants a sweet, small summary, it's essentially them taking legal action on anyone who:
Share any DATAMINE of PAID characters
Share any of the PAID characters FULL story, chats, etc.
So, they still allow players to share parts/bits and pieces of the paid content, just not all of it.
Though it seems like everyone can understand the whole business side of things, there's still confusion on the datamine aspect as in how is datamining is illegal, why is there legal action taken against datamining, etc.
First, I feel like people need to understand that datamining, itself, it NOT illegal. The problem is sharing datamines publicly on any social media. The reasons are for the following
Intellectual Property Rights: when companies release games, all of their contents are protected by trademarks, copyrights, and intellectual property laws. When posting content that company didn't share themselves on their own social media page or to EVERYONE (both F2P and P2W), it's infringing copyright laws since the one sharing it wasn't the one to have produced/created the work or data (think of it reposting artists work without their permission but you're sharing a work that was put in by artists and game creators of the company without their permission).
Terms of Service Violation: Many software applications, websites, and digital platforms impose terms of service (ToS) that users must agree to before using their services. These ToS often prohibit activities like reverse engineering, data scraping, or extracting data in a manner that circumvents the intended use of the service. By datamining and posting content obtained in violation of these terms, you are breaching a contractual agreement between yourself and the platform, which can lead to legal consequences.
Security: there are certain codes and firewalls set up that many (if not ALL) game companies put in as a means to detect if there is any malicious activity happening within the system that could potential harm the players (e.g., hacking and extracting players' personal information). When datamining, most people aren't aware in what form these protective barriers are set-up, so when extracting contents from the game, rather than being seen as simply getting contents for one's amusement, it can be detected as a threat by the security system.
What I wrote are only snippets of the few reasons as to the legal concerns in sharing datamine contents. And despite for other fandoms, it's not as prevalent, game companies are starting to take up action in regards to datamining, some being obvious about it while others are being discreet.
However, if we were talking about solely on the announcement, it's understandable why it would bother players, especially F2P. For other games (not saying ALL or MOST), they do eventually make the paid content accessible at some point for F2P without having to make them wait for so long. However, PB isn't taking much initiative with that, where now they're adding characters from the Solomon Seals after 3 MONTHS while, for now, not letting F2P have ANY ACCESS to limited characters from Nightmare Pass. To top that off, previously PB had promised re-runs of events, which would've allowed newer F2P to have a chance to play the event and obtain resources/characters from it. But now they have their previous events accessible behind paywall, decreasing the likelihood for event re-runs to happen. As for P2W, players are literally paying to get the character and related contents related to said character so there shouldn't be much restrictions in sharing their paid content on public platforms in the first place (this is not to say they should disrespect PB and share everything though). This is without mentioning some of the promises that have already broken based on the announcement earlier this year and last month (?) (Main story drop every 2 months, Friendship System, Comics related to Cards being posted on their Social Media, etc.).
Hopefully PB will reconsider and address some of these issues with the upcoming event for Bethel and Belphegor dropping on 6/26.
#whb#what in hell is bad#maple ramble#this doesn't mean people should send hate or go against PB#if anything this is supposed to be more informative
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dear dataminers scraping my posts for private information to sell me targeted ads:
I don’t use tampons
please show me ads for small soft pokemon ledyba hanging plush with plastic hook thank you
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What makes me sad about the AI art discourse is how it's so close to hitting something really, really important.
The thing is, while the problem with the models has little to do with IP law...the fact remains that art is often something that's very personal to an artist, so it DOES feel deeply, incredibly fucked up to find the traces of your own art in a place you never approved of, nor even imagined you would need to think about. It feels uncomfortable to find works you drew 10-15 years ago and forgot about, thought nobody but you and your friends cared about, right there as a contributing piece to a dataset. It feels gross. It feels violating. It feels like you, yourself, are being reduced to just a point of data for someone else's consumption, being picked apart for parts-
Now, as someone with some understanding of how AI works, I can acknowledge that as just A Feeling, which doesn't actually reflect how the model works, nor is it an accurate representation of the mindset of...the majority of end users (we can bitch about the worst of them until the cows come home, but that's for other posts).
But as an artist, I can't help but think...wow, there's something kind of powerful to that feeling of disgust, let's use it for good.
Because it doesn't come from nowhere. It's not just petty entitlement. It comes from suddenly realizing how much a faceless entity with no conscience, sprung from a field whose culture enables and rewards some of the worst cruelty humanity has to offer, can "know" about you and your work, and that new things can be built from this compiled knowledge without your consent or even awareness, and that even if you could do something about it legally after the fact (which you can't in this case because archival constitutes fair use, as does statistical analysis of the contents of an archive), you can't stop it from a technical standpoint. It comes from being confronted with the power of technology over something you probably consider deeply intimate and personal, even if it was just something you made for a job. I have to begrudgingly admit that even the most unscrupulous AI users and developers are somewhat useful in this artistic sense, as they act as a demonstration of how easy it is to use that power for evil. Never mind the economic concerns that come with any kind of automation - those only get even more unsettling and terrifying when blended with all of this.
Now stop and realize what OTHER very personal information is out there for robots to compile. Your selfies. Your vacation photos. The blog you kept as a journal when you were 14. Those secrets that you only share with either a therapist or thousands of anonymous strangers online. Who knows if you've been in the background of someone else's photos online? Who knows if you've been posted somewhere without your consent and THAT'S being scraped? Never mind the piles and piles of data that most social media websites and apps collect from every move you make both online and in the physical world. All of this information can be blended and remixed and used to build whatever kind of tool someone finds it useful for, with no complications so long as they don't include your copyrighted material ITSELF.
Does this mortify you? Does it make your blood run cold? Does it make you recoil in terror from the technology that we all use now? Does this radicalize you against invasive datamining? Does this make you want to fight for privacy?
I wish people were more open to sitting with that feeling of fear and disgust and - instead of viciously attacking JUST the thing that brought this uncomfortable fact to their attention - using that feeling in a way that will protect EVERYONE who has to live in the modern, connected world, because the fact is, image synthesis is possibly the LEAST harmful thing to come of this kind of data scraping.
When I look at image synthesis, and consider the ethical implications of how the datasets are compiled, what I hear the model saying to me is,
"Look what someone can do with some of the most intimate details of your life.
You do not own your data.
You do not have the right to disappear.
Everything you've ever posted, everything you've ever shared, everything you've ever curated, you have no control over anymore.
The law as it is cannot protect you from this. It may never be able to without doing far more harm than it prevents.
You and so many others have grown far too comfortable with the internet, as corporations tried to make it look friendlier on the surface while only making it more hostile in reality, and tech expands to only make it more dangerous - sparing no mercy for those things you posted when it was much smaller, and those things were harder to find.
Think about facial recognition and how law enforcement wants to use it with no regard for its false positive rate.
Think about how Facebook was used to arrest a child for seeking to abort her rapist's fetus.
Think about how aggressive datamining and the ad targeting born from it has been used to interfere in elections and empower fascists.
Think about how a fascist has taken over Twitter and keeps leaking your data everywhere.
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"Self - the Lost Nightmaren" WIP
For anyone who doesn't know, I was actually a big fan of the NiGHTS series back in my high school days. Admititly I only grew up with "Journey of Dreams" as the original "Into Dreams" was created before I was born. However, the world of dreams that SEGA DreamCast had made deeply fascinated me and remains a fond memory to this day I happen to have a story in mind for. This is not that.
A short while ago, I found myself drifting back to my NiGHTS days and decided to revisit a video by a user called DiGi Valentine on YouTube. It felt nice to revisit this character analysis when one of their videos popped up in my recommendation. It was called "Searching for Selph." A documentary about an unused boss discovered in the game's code that has taken years to datamine in an attempt to preserve the original NiGHTS into Dreams. This fascinated me, and what's more, no official art of the scraped character has been discovered yet. There are assets and even an unused song in the data files, but no art has been dug up. My mind went crazy thinking about what this character could look like, so I did some digging myself with the current research, evidence, and possible theories concocted in the last 2 years. This is the result of that brain child, with scribbled notes for good measure.
Now, this is how I think the character COULD look based on the things I've found and looking at other artistic interpretations. This is in no way canon. If anyone is curious about the character or even the project itself, I highly recommend this👇video and its updates:
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Let's hope that someday we can find what this character looks like.
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And this while mess cycles back to the age old question of "what is art?" and we're running into the same "problem" when expressionism or abstract art were coming to their peaks.
While I can be sympathetic about the fast and loose training algorithms that scrap image data feom wherever they will, that's a problem that has existed on the internet since image hosting has been viable and to a degree we have to except that intellectual property theft is just a thing.
Because it's always been a thing. That's why we have the saying "good artists create, great artists steal." This isn't news.
And I recall a post (that I can't link because tumblr search is... what it is) that did a great view on whether there was really a difference between AI generated art versus human generated art because we do both go through the same process of absorbing what has come before and try to output something unique, but even that unique thing is going be an echo of what came before.
Which isn't a bad thing per se since we're always grappling with "truth" but always need to recontextualize it for our lived, contemporary experiences.
While I may be against AI art since it is generally some kind of overarching conglomerate trying to do datamining... there is an end user case where someone can type a prompt into a bot and "create" an image, an experience, that at least is close to what they imagined and see it manifested.
But from the other end of technical skill, we all fell in love @nostalgebraist 's Frank. I can't even fathom what went into creating and maintaining that autoresponder, but I know many of us, even if hesitantly, took that AI in as one of our own, and all she did was scrape tumblr posts and respond in kind over time. As we all do.
And I think that is art.
Why reblog machine-generated art?
When I was ten years old I took a photography class where we developed black and white photos by projecting light on papers bathed in chemicals. If we wanted to change something in the image, we had to go through a gradual, arduous process called dodging and burning.
When I was fifteen years old I used photoshop for the first time, and I remember clicking on the clone tool or the blur tool and feeling like I was cheating.
When I was twenty eight I got my first smartphone. The phone could edit photos. A few taps with my thumb were enough to apply filters and change contrast and even spot correct. I was holding in my hand something more powerful than the huge light machines I'd first used to edit images.
When I was thirty six, just a few weeks ago, I took a photo class that used Lightroom Classic and again, it felt like cheating. It made me really understand how much the color profiles of popular web images I'd been seeing for years had been pumped and tweaked and layered with local edits to make something that, to my eyes, didn't much resemble photography. To me, photography is light on paper. It's what you capture in the lens. It's not automatic skin smoothing and a local filter to boost the sky. This reminded me a lot more of the photomanipulations my friend used to make on deviantart; layered things with unnatural colors that put wings on buildings or turned an eye into a swimming pool. It didn't remake the images to that extent, obviously, but it tipped into the uncanny valley. More real than real, more saturated more sharp and more present than the actual world my lens saw. And that was before I found the AI assisted filters and the tool that would identify the whole sky for you, picking pieces of it out from between leaves.
You know, it's funny, when people talk about artists who might lose their jobs to AI they don't talk about the people who have already had to move on from their photo editing work because of technology. You used to be able to get paid for basic photo manipulation, you know? If you were quick with a lasso or skilled with masks you could get a pretty decent chunk of change by pulling subjects out of backgrounds for family holiday cards or isolating the pies on the menu for a mom and pop. Not a lot, but enough to help. But, of course, you can just do that on your phone now. There's no need to pay a human for it, even if they might do a better job or be more considerate toward the aesthetic of an image.
And they certainly don't talk about all the development labs that went away, or the way that you could have trained to be a studio photographer if you wanted to take good photos of your family to hang on the walls and that digital photography allowed in a parade of amateurs who can make dozens of iterations of the same bad photo until they hit on a good one by sheer volume and luck; if you want to be a good photographer everyone can do that why didn't you train for it and spend a long time taking photos on film and being okay with bad photography don't you know that digital photography drove thousands of people out of their jobs.
My dad told me that he plays with AI the other day. He hosts a movie podcast and he puts up thumbnails for the downloads. In the past, he'd just take a screengrab from the film. Now he tells the Bing AI to make him little vignettes. A cowboy running away from a rhino, a dragon arm-wrestling a teddy bear. That kind of thing. Usually based on a joke that was made on the show, or about the subject of the film and an interest of the guest.
People talk about "well AI art doesn't allow people to create things, people were already able to create things, if they wanted to create things they should learn to create things." Not everyone wants to make good art that's creative. Even fewer people want to put the effort into making bad art for something that they aren't passionate about. Some people want filler to go on the cover of their youtube video. My dad isn't going to learn to draw, and as the person who he used to ask to photoshop him as Ant-Man because he certainly couldn't pay anyone for that kind of thing, I think this is a great use case for AI art. This senior citizen isn't going to start cartooning and at two recordings a week with a one-day editing turnaround he doesn't even really have the time for something like a Fiverr commission. This is a great use of AI art, actually.
I also know an artist who is going Hog Fucking Wild creating AI art of their blorbos. They're genuinely an incredibly talented artist who happens to want to see their niche interest represented visually without having to draw it all themself. They're posting the funny and good results to a small circle of mutuals on socials with clear information about the source of the images; they aren't trying to sell any of the images, they're basically using them as inserts for custom memes. Who is harmed by this person saying "i would like to see my blorbo lasciviously eating an ice cream cone in the is this a pigeon meme"?
The way I use machine-generated art, as an artist, is to proof things. Can I get an explosion to look like this. What would a wall of dead computer monitors look like. Would a ballerina leaping over the grand canyon look cool? Sometimes I use AI art to generate copyright free objects that I can snip for a collage. A lot of the time I use it to generate ideas. I start naming random things and seeing what it shows me and I start getting inspired. I can ask CrAIon for pose reference, I can ask it to show me the interior of spaces from a specific angle.
I profoundly dislike the antipathy that tumblr has for AI art. I understand if people don't want their art used in training pools. I understand if people don't want AI trained on their art to mimic their style. You should absolutely use those tools that poison datasets if you don't want your art included in AI training. I think that's an incredibly appropriate action to take as an artist who doesn't want AI learning from your work.
However I'm pretty fucking aggressively opposed to copyright and most of the "solid" arguments against AI art come down to "the AIs viewed and learned from people's copyrighted artwork and therefore AI is theft rather than fair use" and that's a losing argument for me. In. Like. A lot of ways. Primarily because it is saying that not only is copying someone's art theft, it is saying that looking at and learning from someone's art can be defined as theft rather than fair use.
Also because it's just patently untrue.
But that doesn't really answer your question. Why reblog machine-generated art? Because I liked that piece of art.
It was made by a machine that had looked at billions of images - some copyrighted, some not, some new, some old, some interesting, many boring - and guided by a human and I liked it. It was pretty. It communicated something to me. I looked at an image a machine made - an artificial picture, a total construct, something with no intrinsic meaning - and I felt a sense of quiet and loss and nostalgia. I looked at a collection of automatically arranged pixels and tasted salt and smelled the humidity in the air.
I liked it.
I don't think that all AI art is ugly. I don't think that AI art is all soulless (i actually think that 'having soul' is a bizarre descriptor for art and that lacking soul is an equally bizarre criticism). I don't think that AI art is bad for artists. I think the problem that people have with AI art is capitalism and I don't think that's a problem that can really be laid at the feet of people curating an aesthetic AI art blog on tumblr.
Machine learning isn't the fucking problem the problem is massive corporations have been trying hard not to pay artists for as long as massive corporations have existed (isn't that a b-plot in the shape of water? the neighbor who draws ads gets pushed out of his job by product photography? did you know that as recently as ten years ago NewEgg had in-house photographers who would take pictures of the products so users wouldn't have to rely on the manufacturer photos? I want you to guess what killed that job and I'll give you a hint: it wasn't AI)
Am I putting a human out of a job because I reblogged an AI-generated "photo" of curtains waving in the pale green waters of an imaginary beach? Who would have taken this photo of a place that doesn't exist? Who would have painted this hypersurrealistic image? What meaning would it have had if they had painted it or would it have just been for the aesthetic? Would someone have paid for it or would it be like so many of the things that artists on this site have spent dozens of hours on only to get no attention or value for their work?
My worst ratio of hours to notes is an 8-page hand-drawn detailed ink comic about getting assaulted at a concert and the complicated feelings that evoked that took me weeks of daily drawing after work with something like 54 notes after 8 years; should I be offended if something generated from a prompt has more notes than me? What does that actually get the blogger? Clout? I believe someone said that popularity on tumblr gets you one thing and that is yelled at.
What do you get out of this? Are you helping artists right now? You're helping me, and I'm an artist. I've wanted to unload this opinion for a while because I'm sick of the argument that all Real Artists think AI is bullshit. I'm a Real Artist. I've been paid for Real Art. I've been commissioned as an artist.
And I find a hell of a lot of AI art a lot more interesting than I find human-generated corporate art or Thomas Kincaid (but then, I repeat myself).
There are plenty of people who don't like AI art and don't want to interact with it. I am not one of those people. I thought the gay sex cats were funny and looked good and that shitposting is the ideal use of a machine image generation: to make uncopyrightable images to laugh at.
I think that tumblr has decided to take a principled stand against something that most people making the argument don't understand. I think tumblr's loathing for AI has, generally speaking, thrown weight behind a bunch of ideas that I think are going to be incredibly harmful *to artists specifically* in the long run.
Anyway. If you hate AI art and you don't want to interact with people who interact with it, block me.
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Of course it isn't "designed to rework" anything. Generative AI is generative. It generates its own new output based on user inputs and whatever parameters and restrictions you (JSTOR) build into your tool-- but it generates that new output in ways humans can understand by training on & pulling from vast datasets of stolen information. It builds sandcastles all its own, every single grain of which was stolen from a person. There is no ethical workaround for this. We were not asked, we were not paid; neither OpenAI nor their contemporaries gave us the opportunity to have our words and works excluded from their datasets.
Generative AI is trained on hundreds of billions of points of scraped data encoded into "tokens" comprehensible to its algorithms. To give you an idea of scale, GPT-3's text datasets included 3 billion tokens from Wikipedia. 86 billion came from three other sources, and a whopping 410 billion tokens came from the 501(c)(3) nonprofit CommonCrawl, which completes Nutch crawls on a regular basis. I believe that until recently, the petabytes of data in CommonCrawl's sets and archives (which are available to the public despite containing copyrighted work, under fair use claims) were mostly used for research, corporate datamining, and what I'll call "targeted" app development-- people using specific subsets of the data. GPT-3 and GPT-3.5's training data, however, is all-encompassing, and it is being used to generate enormous profit across multiple industries for OpenAI Global. You, JSTOR, are not profiting directly off of this-- I assume-- but you're using GPT3.5 Turbo at least in part, so OpenAI very definitely is.
(Anyone remotely familiar with fair use should immediately see the problem here. Not with JSTOR specifically, to be clear. But overall.)
I understand the attractive opportunities arising as this technology develops. I understand JSTOR'S need to stay competitive. I understand perfectly why JSTOR is developing this tool, and based on a brief review of your FAQ, it seems like it is designed to work with a minimum of hallucinations. If I'm reading between the lines correctly, you're basically trying to make this into the conversational search engine many people already believe LLMs to be. Well done. You also reassure that you will not replace humans. Good!
But that's only part of the puzzle. The use of generative AI at this time is unethical at its core. You do seem committed to using AI responsibly, as you claim...but to use something like this ethically simply is not possible using current tools and methods. The data in the sets upon which OpenAI's tools are built and trained does not belong to them; to use it for profit is fundamentally unethical. I am sorry.
I would remove "ethical" from future assurances. Replace it with "conscientious," perhaps. Or "as ethically as possible." I do not know that I would call that better, since it's a fundamentally empty reassurance, but at least it would no longer be a factual impossibility.
Like I said, I fully understand why you're developing this tool. I'm not going to tell you you shouldn't. But I will tell you flat-out: You can "commit" as hard as you like to building your sandcastle ethically. You won't make the sand any less stolen.
Why is JSTOR using AI? AI is deeply environmentally harmful and steals from creatives and academics.
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