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[ohhgingersnaps]

I'm seeing some frustration over fandom creatives expressing anger or distress over people feeding their work into ChatGPT. I'm not responding to OP directly because I don't want to derail their post (their intent was to provide perspective on how these models actually work, and reduce undue panic, which is all coming from a good place!), but reassurances that the addition of our work will have a negligible impact on the model (which is true at this point) does kind of miss the point? Speaking for myself, my distress is less about the practical ramifications of feeding my fic into ChatGPT, and more about the principle of someone taking my work and deliberately adding it to the dataset.

Like, I fully realize that my work is a drop in the bucket of ChatGPT's several-billion-token training set! It will not make a demonstrable practical difference in the output of the model! That doesn't change the fact that I do not want my work to be part of the set of data that the ChatGPT devs use for training.

According to their FAQ, ChatGPT can and will use user input to train itself. The terms and conditions explicitly state that they save your chats to help train and improve their models. (You can opt-out, but sharing is the default.) So if you're feeding a fic into ChatGPT, unless you've explicitly opted out, you are handing it to the ChatGPT team and giving them permission to use it for training, whether or not that was your intent.

Now, will one fic make a demonstrable difference in the output of the model? No! But as the person who spent a year and a handful of months laboring over my fic, it makes a difference to me whether my fic, specifically, is being used in the dataset. If authors are allowed to have a problem with the ChatGPT devs for scraping millions of fics without permission, they're also allowed to have a problem with folks handing their individual fics over via the chat interface.

I do want to add that if you've done this to a fic, please don't take this as me being upset with you personally! Folks are still learning new information and puzzling out what "good" vs. "bad" use is, from an ethical standpoint. (Heck, my own perspective on this is deeply based on my own subjective feelings!) And we certainly shouldn't act like one person feeding a fic into ChatGPT has the same practical negative impact, on a broad societal scale, as a team using a web crawler to scrape five billion pieces of artwork for Stable Diffusion.

The point is that fundamentally, an ethical dataset should be obtained with the consent of those providing the data. Just because it's normalized for our data to be scraped without consent doesn't make it ethical, and this is why ChatGPT gives users the option to not share data— there is actually a standardized way (robots.txt) for website servers to set policies for how bots/crawlers can interact with them, for exactly this reason— and I think fandom artists and authors are well within their rights to express a desire for opting out to be the socially-respected default within the fandom community.

[kaiserouo]

ordan karris is sick of how slow their relationship went

[quaranmine]

On Wednesday before I gave my presentation I confessed to a new employee that I was worried it would be too long and she brightly told me her life hack was to just let AI rewrite things for her. She said I should put in all my talking points and ask ChatGPT to give me a five minute exactly presentation. I was like....how is the most polite possible way (since this is a new colleague I shouldn't get off on the wrong foot with) that I can express that I will Not be taking this advice. Ever. I told her that I didn't think we were allowed to use ChatGPT at this job (we most certainly are not, it is a nightmare for any type of protected information) and also that I prefer to write all of my own work. Despite my best efforts the last part of that was still passive aggressive, lol.

Something about being a writer makes it so that it's almost offensive to me for someone to suggest I use AI to do my work instead? Like, the day I reach the point where I let AI write something for me is the day y'all need to be checking me for brain damage because clearly I'm losing it

[redwinterroses]

So I was curious to see how much scraping AI had done of the mcyt side of AO3, so I clenched my teeth, went to a ChatGPT knockoff and told it to "write me a Hermitcraft fanfic about Grian's backstory and true name."

My logic was that "Xelqua" and the Watchers are pretty fanfic specific and not likely to have been pulled from sources like wikis or any place outside of something like AO3. I figured if it brought up Xelqua or anything about masks, etc., that would be a pretty good indicator that it had scraped mcyt fics.

This is what I got, and I can't stop laughing.

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GREGORY.

Forget Xelqua, that's old news. Grian's true name, "brimming with deep meaning and symbolism", is Gregory.

ignoring for the moment the fact that the name gregory means... um. it means 'watchful.' just...we're just ignoring that.

...I think I'm going to take this as evidence that at least the mcyt side of AO3 maybe hasn't been thoroughly scraped just yet.

[puppyeared]

i have to say its a strange experience taking classes on branding and marketing while being vehemently anticapitalist and scorning the economic system

[bythehearts]

not to bring tiktok drama on tumblr but like every time a ‘scandal’ comes out with one of these ‘production companies’ that make fan films i always hope we’re finally gonna discuss how they professionalize something that should be an hobbyist endeavor… and yet every single time i’m disappointed.

[cosmermaid]

PSA for educators-

You will not be able to teach your students the faults of AI just by repeating talking points about how it's bad.

You are going to have to USE AI in order to understand where the faults are. Yes, that means spending time playing with ChatGPT and Character.AI or whatever other AI happens to be in vogue with the kids. AI is a learning algorithm, which means it is constantly shifting its behavior. Some of its flaws get patched only for new issues to arise. However, once you get to know the machine, it becomes easier and easier to trip it up.

People are more likely to believe AI is faulty and can't be used as a research source after they see it fail repeatedly. And in order to make it fail in front of others, you will have to know how to use it and tease it.

Don't worry about environmental impact. There's a lot of nonsense claims about AI using five gallons of water per prompt or other scary sounding numbers which is just not true. Most AIs can be run on the processing power of an average gaming PC, there's already hobbyists who have open source AIs installed directly on their machines and get it to work with their usual processing power.

Educating people is far more important than using a little electricity to gain some knowledge.

[nudibutch]

i was finally able to have the house to myself for a bit today... brought all my dirty dishes out of my room and was able to tidy up a little bit without feeling weird

[underlockv]

Interestingly enough I think calling large language models a.i. is doing too much to humanize them. Because of how scifi literature has built up a.i. as living beings with actual working thought processes deserving of the classification of person (bicentennial man etc) a lot of people want to view a.i. as entities. And corporations pushing a.i. can take advantage of your soft feelings toward it like that. But LLMs are nowhere close to that, and tbh I don't even feel the way they learn approaches it. Word order guessing machines can logic the way to a regular sounding sentence but thats not anything approaching having a conversation with a person. Remembering what you said is just storing the information you are typing into it, its not any kind of indication of existence. And yet, so many people online are acting like when my grandma was convinced siri was actually a lady living in her phone. I think we need to start calling Large Language Models "LLMs" and not giving the corps pushing them more of an in with the general public. Its marketing spin, stop falling for it.

[waiting-for-a-sunny-day]

How come I can write a 50k word fanfic, but writing a 1250-character fic summary has me crumbling?

[pitifulbinx]

ChatGPT is dishonorable to me and my morals, if anyone sees me ever mention using it for anything, I NEED you to shoot me point blank.

[sunbentshadows]

One thing I don't see lots of folks talking about here re: so-called "AI" tools, possibly because I see far fewer tech-circles posting on this site, is the impending Catch-22 of tech or tech-adjacent jobs utilizing AI or LLM models. I think a lot of folks are caught up in the art-theft, the nonsense generation, and both of those are TRUE PROBLEMS THAT SUCK -- they also don't seem to know that LLM tools are actually, I think, soon going to be a near-requirement for jobs that have any element of coding or are tech-adjacent.

I know for a fact the MOST-senior, best programmer on my team is using AI to write his scripts. Why? Because it's fast. The mistakes it makes, according to him, tend to be easy and quick fixes, or made up method calls, and that's simple to tweak. There are anecdotes on reddit and Bluesky about scripts or programs that would normally take two weeks for a person to perfect being hashed out in a day using AssGPT or BroPilot. I believe it, I've seen it.

If we apply that more widely - this is what a lot of tech workers are going to be doing, ARE doing, right now. I am significantly concerned about the future of these jobs, or say, if you have moral-takes with AI or LLM tools. I strongly suspect, due to productivity gains, soon "not using them" isn't going to be an acceptable option to managers-that-be - this isn't for things like "Ooooh well you should just go learn new skills," it's that the market saturation will require one of your skills to be using LLM/AI coding-tools.

People can't learn new skills nearly as quickly as LLM's have started spitting out code that is almost entirely correct. It's just not going to happen - we need practice and repetition, and AI-adjacent programs just... don't. I can also say with confidence, the only reason we haven't seen it at wide-adoption within companies yet is due to concerns about proprietary secret-leaks. That's it. That's the thread that is currently separating LLM-use as a requirement vs a sanctioned-but-nothing-too-specific-in-the-machine activity.

I know the current hotness is that AI-tools are overrated, but from what I'm seeing in tech-world, I just don't think that's entirely true. I strongly suspect we're about to see "productivity-gains" in some of these circles the likes of which we haven't seen since rapid proliferation of the personal computer - and it's going to be use-tools or get-lost, and in the world of Capitalism you are only as good as your capacity for productivity (and, people using LLM's can spike their productivity to save literal days, weeks of time for certain given tasks) - and as someone with a career in this field, I'm not entirely sure what to do with that.

[thedisablednaturalist]

Unfortunately all chatgpt is good for is interview/job application stuff which I think says a lot about the hiring process as a whole

[athenaholmesartistsguild]

I've only just started chapter 3 of Gaiden but I am absolutely obsessed with the theme of powerlessness and how it's conveyed within the game.

I can't help but notice how often Kiryu says he 'doesn't have a choice' when doing pretty much anything. Even if it's in super banal, low-stakes interactions like doing something for Akame, he's constantly stating that he feels as if he has no agency in his current situation.

In the previous Kiryu Saga games, Kiryu is painfully aware of the consequences of his actions, but he still regards them as choices that he made; not something he was forced into.

His status as a Daidoji agent has basically beaten him into submission. He'll occasionally try to fight against this absolute control over him, but he's eventually returned to his position as a pawn in this huge, shadowy organization. The Daidoji are the first organization/power structure that managed to get control over Kiryu's tendency to burn shit to the ground and good god do they take advantage of that.

But then Kiryu's also painfully aware that this is the reality he asked for. Not only does he outright say this multiple times, but he's telling others that 'they started this' when they're confronting him and it's so obvious that he's talking to himself.

He's constantly bouncing between feeling miserable and powerless and then resenting these feelings and berating himself for having them in the first place. He's grasping at any sliver of control he can still have over his life, not to find meaning in his new existence, but to further punish and abuse himself.

I can't remember the exact post, but I saw someone describe Gaiden as a love letter to the Kiryu Saga and that's the best way to describe it, I think.

Kiryu's arc in his games is an incredibly slow car crash where we witness in painful detail how incapable he is of permanently leaving his life as yakuza to protect his family.

He has this almost codependent relationship with the Tojo Clan and feels a compulsive urge to get involved in the constant crises happening.

Of course, there were outside factors that were trying to pull him into these conflicts. Everyone believes that he's the only one who can fix everything. Kiryu's name carries power. Isn't it disgustingly selfish to refuse to get involved when he was the one who chose the clan's chairmen?

How could he refuse to deliver a single letter after the 5th chairman was shot right in front of him?

How could he ignore the people threatening to take his orphanage away from him and his kids?

How could he tell his daughter that she can't become an idol because of his past?

How could he justify staying alive when it did nothing but bring harm to his family?

What choice did he have?

But remember, you chose this, Kiryu.

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