#CAN'T WAIT FOR A DANCE WITH DRAGONS 2.0

[sweetaprilbutterfly]

I will not wait for the release of the finale (although not all, but I know from leaked what will happen) to pass judgment on House of the Dragon and it is DISAPPOINTING SHIT.

Even when there was the first season, I didn't expect anything from hotd, the 1st season was normal, there were interesting characters, but in general the plot is simpler than in GoT.

I read about Dance of the Dragons in Fire & Blood and treated the changes as normal, because the general plot was more or less close to the book. But with the release of the 2nd season, the book became less and less with each episode and the characters don't resemble themselves, not even like themselves in the 1st season.

Like what have they done to Alicent😭:

“The city is yours, Princess. But you will not hold it long. The rats play when the cat is gone, but my son Aemond will return with fire and blood” versus “When he’s gone, I will see to it that our guards throw down their arms and open the gates.”

Quote source X

Book Alicent would kill show Alicent for what she does in season 2. Alicent betrayed herself and her family for the "love" to Rhaenyra, this is so stupid and this is not Martin, but some kind of comedy or soap opera.

And I don't understand why Condal is so attached to the prophecy and why he so wants Rhaenyra to be Dany 2.0, when book Rhaenyra is better and more interesting than the show one and he will not change her fate, she will still die, although they will probably change how it will happen.

After the leaks, I'm no longer Team Green, I'm Team Aemond, even though the writers messed him up too, but I hate it when showrunners try to make someone "bad" on purpose to everyone hate. They could never make me hate you Aemond.

HBO needs to remove from the credits that it is based on the book by George R. R. Martin, and write that all this is the work of the mediocre Condal and has nothing to do with the books.

Condal and Hess and the other screenwriters should get a lot more hate than D&D. Condal & Co. are the worst showrunners in the world, to have a completely finished book material and to do what they did is just something incredibly terrible.

For all its faults, Game of Thrones was phenomenal and even seasons 5 and 7 (the worst GoT seasons in my opinion) are better than what Condal and Hess did in season 2.

The asoiaf fandom is so weird. After the final of GoT, the rating on imdb and other platforms collapsed, and here HotD already in the 2nd season abused the canon so much and the majority approves of it??? Yes, I'm one of those people for whom the finale of GoT is normal, but I still can't come to terms with the fact that Arya killed NK, it should have been JON and I don't agree with Jon ending, but in general the season is better than 5 & 7. So I hope all those who so unfairly condemned GoT will rightly condemn HotD and collapse the rating, and maybe the leaks will reduce the rating of the show.

The hotd cast are great, but I don't think I can watch season 3 after this shit, there's no hope of it getting any better.

Condal really wanted hotd to be like GoT, but it didn't work out, it's very far from the grandiose level of GoT, GoT was and will be the best no matter what.

[homuraakemis]

My favorite Zuko AMVs

ZUKO

Prince Zuko • Character Study • Tribute by TheRedSoxFan18

I Am Zuko [Ｔｒｉｂｕｔｅ] by MissAvatar15

MDQ Finals - ZUKO TRIBUTE by kelso895

Long live the prince || Zuko by TheLoaLok

Avatar- Zuko (Savin' Me) by Kotori-Rei

Zuko // Above and Beyond by gtgrandom

fire, fire. {prince zuko} by irydionlover.

7 Years || ATLA by TheFirebelly

echo [Zuko] by DannyPhantomSG1

Avatar: The Last Airbender • I can't drown my demons. by LiveLikeHeroes

Zuko AMV ~Era Of Peace And Kindness~ [HD] by AmoNoatak

Zuko | Rubik's Cube by didifallasleep2

Way Down We Go || A Zuko tribute by The Stranger Artist

*ZUKO-Made For This* by Demigod's Child

Zuko AMV | Zuko Tribute | Bring Me The Horizon - Can You Feel My Heart by Nick Wilde

rise | ZUKOᴹᴱᴾᵖᵃʳᵗ by tomoekun777

Zuko - Fire | AMV | by Music-Chanッ

*ZUKO-Enemy* by Demigod's Child

Zuko | Who Are You Really? by hobbitfalva

Zuko | I must be good for something by hobbitfalva

[AVATAR] Zuko // Glitter & Gold by Force Captain Tilly

Zuko - Enemy by BloodRaven55

Enemy | Zuko | Avatar [AMV] by Avatar Edits

Zuko || I’m So Sorry [AMV] by MNY

Zuko | Broken Crown by Ilovehertjes

Zuko Tribute | Underneath the Bridge by ikijay

Zuko - Numb by yoruichisan19

Zuko - Forgive Me (ATLA AMV) by Rowan_Ark

(ATLA) Prince Zuko | HONOR by AD_edits

*ZUKO-I wanna be your slave* by Demigod's Child

You Can Be King Again // Zuko 《AMV》 by AnalyzationM

• Z U K O || you can be king again || by MileneMOVIES

Zuko || King by SF Edits

Zuko - Uptown Funk by Sopphires

We Are ~ A Tribute to Zuko and the Fire Nation by AlexandriteMoonlight

Prince Zuko - | - Dust Bowl Dance by Invisible Bob

Zuko [AMV] || CARNIVORE by Maurits van Leeuwen

Family Line - Zuko (Avatar: The Last Airbender). by • Gab •

Prince Zuko || Heathens [Avatar AMV] by Cortex

[AVATAR] Zuko // This is how villains are made by Force Captain Tilly

*ZUKO-Fight Back* by Demigod's Child

Zuko AMV What I've Done by Kathryn Dodl

Zuko | Breaking the habit by kimify

Zuko: Fight Inside ( Avatar AMV ) by KijiSon

atla | zuko | wait for it by ToastyGlow

[Zuko] Best of Me by ToothlessMI

[AVATAR] Zuko // Way down we go by Force Captain Tilly

Zuko | On My Own. by flygurl2Zim

Zuko | Paralyzed by Kataang Videos

Feeling Good // Zuko (Part III) [CW-Flashes] by Chrissy AMV 2.0

All I Ever Wanted // Zuko // The Prince of Egypt by Katie D

Zuko "Crawling: Linkin Park" by AlexAutoAxe

ZUKO|| Champion [Secret Santa for Luna]|| by XxmarvelgirlxX

ZUKO/MAI

Link to the list of my favorite Zuko/Mai AMVs

ZUKO/AZULA

Dollhouse | Zuko & Azula by TheLoaLok

Game of Betrayal [Connecticon 2011 Action Finalist] by Chaobunny12

Zuko vs. Azula 🔥 Agni Kai | AMV | Play with Fire by K9K

Avatar AMV, Emperor’s New Clothes, Zuko and Azula by The Umlauted Denver

Play With Fire || Zuko and Azula by XX Luna

Running // Zuko & Azula (Part II) by Chrissy AMV 2.0

I Didn't Ask For This // Azula & Zuko [CW- Flashes] [Pls READ Desc.] by Chrissy AMV 2.0

Zuko & Azula - Watch You Crawl by MitsukotheDarkAngel

Arsonist's Lullabye - ATLA Fire Siblings (Zuko & Azula) by Frustrated Pigeon

Zuko & Azula - Burn by GoEnzoGo

Zuko and Azula -- Numb by smrguysirman123

ZUKO/OZAI

part of me [zuko] by DannyPhantomSG1

be more like me & be less like you || Zuko || ATLA AMV by xBloodyKing

Zuko & Ozai ● I Went Too Far by Mellan Clear

Zuko & Ozai「I have questions」// ʀᴇᴜᴘʟᴏᴀᴅ♡ by WhateverWhenever

Zuko and Ozai-Just Like You by PrinceZukoFanGirl

Sad Exchange - Zuko and Ozai by Rickashayful

ZUKO/AANG

Aang & Zuko ● Worth giving a chance by Mellan Clear

AvatarTLA- Lightning : Aang and Zuko by Zoopoe

Children's Work // Aang & Zuko [Avatar: the Last Airbender] by absinthespoons

Zuko and Aang[AMV]On my own by Cipri Ninjalau

burning gold [zukaang] by DannyPhantomSG1

Aang and Zuko ||| Brothers by Vibe Z

be the light [zuko&aang] by DannyPhantomSG1

ships in the night [zukaang] by DannyPhantomSG1

aang & zuko | what's a soulmate? by skairings

i found - zukaang by wordswith dragons

set the world on fire [zukaang] by DannyPhantomSG1

ZUKO/IROH

ZUKO + IROH . bet my life by heymonwebejammin

Zuko and Iroh | Father and Son by Zhemka

Iroh and Zuko - Never Gonna Be Alone by Snicker Shank

*IROH AND ZUKO - Don't You Worry Child* by Demigod's Child

Zuko/other characters

*OZAI ANGELS & ZUKO- Teenagers* by Demigod's Child

Zuko & Azula & Ozai - Empires by Zlata Adams

Fire Nation Royals ● It Runs in the Family [ATLA AMV] by Mellan Clear

Avatar- The Fire Nation (The Greatest Civilization in History) by zoopoe

*FIRE NATION ROYALS-Broken Crown* by Demigod's Child

Azula, Mai, Ty Lee and Zuko [AMV] ~ Rotten To The Core by Animation Lync

Pride and Power {Fire Nation Tribute} by OnyxAMVs

Afraid to find what I'm looking for ● Toph & Zuko [ATLA AMV Tribute] by Mellan Clear

Zuko and Katara || I'm not your enemy by Skywalkers Arcade

[agentrouka-blog]

Hey not asking in bad faith but why do you think Sansa's TWOW arc will be similar to her's S6 ? I do think her endgame is QitN but George saying how his Littlefinger wouldn't give away Sansa to someone and how he is obsessed with her makes me think that unlike the show LF might play a bigger role in her story and that makes me wonder most of her TWOW arc will be settled in the Vale before she heads North. If she just flees the Vale then this whole dynamic will get severed prematurely which would make her upcoming triumph over him out of the blue . I also don't understand if she actually is the Girl in the Grey then why would he go North to help her ? He is gaslighting her and is striving to keep power over her and him going North where she is surrounded by her siblings ( Jon / Rickon ) after she has escaped him knowing that he is poisoning her cousin would be suicidal. Again leaving Vale early would also let SweetRobin in the grip of LF and considering she is the only one who wishes good upon him , I can't see her leaving him to the people who either don't care about him or are just waiting for him to die. I just think he won't be undone that easily in the books like he was in the show.

Hello!

There are several reasons why I believe the Vale arc is going to end quicker and transfer some of its resolution to the North.

1) 5-year gap

It was always going to be an off-page training montage to mirror Arya, Bran, Jon, Dany etc. He was going to reference the gap years in flashbacks but the plot would have moved them elsewhere again. Instead, he's been doing the training montages in a speedrun. ADWD gave us Jon and Dany with the arc of conflict, success, failure and a break with their gap situation. New developments await. AFFC/ADWD gave us the arc up to just before failure for Arya and Sansa and Bran. The Vale is not the culmination of Sansa's development, only a stop-over. Just like with the others.

2) Northern queenship

From the earliest chapters, Sansa is foreshadowed to become queen. Considering she is referred to as blood of Winterfell, key to the North and Winterfell's daughter, while she is also shown rebuilding Winterfell from snow, the safe bet is she will be Queen in the North. To achieve that credibly, she needs to interact with the North. With two books remaining, she needs to get there soon. Since her final chapter in AGOT already has her looking "north and north and north again" and her almost every thought has been about going home... consider this extremely likely.

3) Northern succession "crisis"

To mirror the dance of dragons 2.0, the intricately set up mess of Northern succession and Stark restoration needs some Starks. Arya was already in the running in the shape of Jeyne Poole. Enter exile baby Rickon (Aegon), surprise contender Jon (Jon), and bedraggled heiress Sansa (Dany). Except they'll simply be ecstatic to see each other again.

4) Holding down the fort

Sansa is not - and does not need to be - a fighter. But she is good at managing a place and calming people in a crisis. The point of seeing her take charge during the Battle of the Blackwater after Cersei ran off was to illustrate her ability to do just that again at a larger scale. To be able to do that, she needs to be in the North. Jon has a part to play in the South. Bran has a part to play in a magical negotiation. Arya will be an itinerant agent connecting both plotlines after the resolution to the Lady Stoneheart arc. Rickon is still a baby and would have been under ten, even with a 5-year-gap. Someone needs to be the focal point at home. That's Sansa.

5) Jonsa

In order to to gain the plot-moving depth implied by the level of foreshadowing, they'll need to build their relationship earlier rather than later. Delaying it until ADOS removes the point. Thematically and practically, this reunion needs to happen in the North.

6) Stronger within the walls of Winterfell

When Sansa "slays" Littlefinger with a snowball for lying to her, she does it standing within her rebuilt Winterfell. There is foreshadowing (the statue of Baelor, the Titan of Braavos, the Titan's Daughter, the pointy-bearded merchant) that he will be slain by both sisters. Arya won't dally in the Vale. It will happen North. Why would Littlefinger go there? Because while Sansa will likely be separated from him for a time, it doesn't have to be a complete break based on full knowledge of his crimes yet. If the mountain clans upset the cyvasse table enough, Littlefinger may even travel with Sansa for a while and they don't separate until later. Just because he wouldn't sell Sansa to a sadist doesn't mean Littlefinger doesn't want her to assume power in the North. Especially if his hold in the Vale is fragile. Tyrion was able to trick Littlefinger by dangling power in front of him (Harrenhal). Sansa will likely use a similar move. Only with worse consequences.

7) Sweetrobin

He is Littlefinger's key to power in the Vale. If Sansa doesn't lock down Harry into LF's sphere of influence with a betrothal, his every interest will depend on keeping the kid alive, whether or not Sansa is around. Sansa leaving the Vale does not endanger Sweetrobin.

8) Relevance

What is Sansa supposed to do in the Vale for the whole book? She was embroiled in key conflicts up to AFFC but there are none in the Vale. The knights of the Vale meanwhile with their winter mountain experience, their connections to House Stark and the Wall plot (Waymar Royce, Bronze Yohn) will still need convincing to go North and fight there. Their participation will feel a lot less meaningful if the Vale arc just remains isolated from the rest of the plot for the whole of TWOW. "Rohan will answer" is powerful because there is an established connection to the plot. That connection to the North needs to happen in TWOW. Via Sansa.

This is just off the top of my head.

[meili-sheep]

Hi and welcome to my case for Zhongluc despite no canon interaction.

1) Diluc's daddy issues.

If you think for a single second Diluc wouldn't be attracted to a strong solid parental figure. You're wrong. Zhongli would totally be able to see Diluc's personal strengths and totally see Diluc's hard work, and honesty and see him as an equal and respect him like such. Which would help Diluc build his own self-confidence. And what's better than a healthy relationship built totally on respect for each other. I'd go more into detail but I am trying to limit how much I slander Crepus in each of my posts. But just know. There will always be Crepus slander.

2) Zhongli's ramble would fascinate Diluc.

Diluc's hobby is chess, you can't tell me Diluc isn't secretly a nerd. He looks through his old family recipes and looks to put twists on new stuff you can not tell me he wouldn't be fascinated listening to Zhongli go one about Liyue history and traditions. And I could see them having inaction where Zhongli explains a thing but then Diluc is just like "Oh but what if you made this small change, so more people would be included well keeping the meaning behind the tradition." And Zhongli would just heart eyes.

I think Diluc and Keqing would get along for the same reasons.

3) Aesthetic

PUT THOSE BOYS IN SOME 1920s SUITS DANCING TO SOME SWING MUSIC AND BOOM BABY YOU DONE.

4) Serious but kind gentlemen maybe a little thick caring for each other.

Look me in the eyes.

Look me in the fucking eyes.

And fucking tell me, you don't think they would be soft on each other. Diluc might not be fully trusting at first. But I think they both have protective instincts so it's like a competition to protect each other and then just gentle take care of each other's wounds cause they both are thinking

"He got this wound protecting me"

5) Aesthetic 2.0

Let's be real that the whole phoenix/dragon dynamic is *mwah* chef kiss.

6) Aesthetic 3.0

A dragon and their knight aesthetic another just absolute chief's kiss

7) Aesthetic 4.0

SINGLE DADS. New young single dad Diluc and old pro dad Zhongli. Good enough options in Dream Daddy: A Dad Dating Simulator

Where the 4 points on this list essentially "HANDSOME MEN! LOOK GOOD TOGETHER!"

Yes

But I'm accepting no criticism, other than "Wait haven't you been posting Chiluc for like the last 3 weeks? Why now are you Zhongluc" Well my answer is "Diluc best boi. Deserve happiness and world."

[shieldofrohan]

I was struck by your idea that there may be a Jonsa political marriage in TWOW or early in ADOS because I could NOT figure out why they made all those parallels between them and Ned/Cat in the show without addressing it. But, your idea worries me because in s7 they compared J/D to Rhaegar/Lyanna, and while I can't imagine Jon being unfaithful, Dany falling in love with Jon was what brought her North. So how does that/the love triangle we saw on the show play out if Jonsa is already married?

Hello @esther-dot! First of all thank you for your ask, people don’t ask me anything usually so your ask made me really happy. 

I wrote a long answer I guess, sorry :

First let me say that: I think we are giving too much credit to show. After S4 the show kind of stopped following the books. I mean look at the S5 Ramsay/Sansa nonsense. D&D made it clear that GRRM gave them some important scenes for them to work with so I see the show as a slide-show of some scenes from books tbh. For example the arrival of the Knights of the Vale was sth you can find the hints of it in the books. Or the trial and death of Baelish by the hand of Sansa. Even the death of Daenerys was foreshadowed in the books. But the plots to get to those scenes were all D&D if you ask me. So they had to fill the gaps and they did it how they wanted. 

At this point I really can’t see a version of Asoiaf without a jonsa plot. Jonsa is the most foreshadowed plot in the books. The hints are starting in the prologue of the AGOT and they keep going in the AFFC and ADWD, and you can even find hints in other books of GRRM. Jonsa foreshadowings are surrounded by marriage and children imagery. So not having a jonsa marriage or kids seems unlikely to me. 

I am looking at the j*nerys foreshadowings and they are all about them being enemies. For example these two chapters that follow each other:

“No. Dany shivered. No, no, oh no.“Are you deaf, fool?” Reznak mo Reznak demanded of the man. “Did you not hear my pronouncement? See my factors on the morrow, and you shall be paid for your sheep.” “Reznak,” Ser Barristan said quietly, “hold your tongue and open your eyes. Those are no sheep bones.” No, Dany thought, those are the bones of a child.”

[A Dance with Dragons; Daenerys]

*

Burning dead children had ceased to trouble Jon Snow; live ones were another matter. Two kings to wake the dragon. The father first and then the son, so both die kings. The words had been murmured by one of the queen’s men as Maester Aemon had cleaned his wounds. Jon had tried to dismiss them as his fever talking. Aemon had demurred. “There is power in a king’s blood,” the old maester had warned, “and better men than Stannis have done worse things than this.” The king can be harsh and unforgiving, aye, but a babe still on the breast? Only a monster would give a living child to the flames.

[A Dance with Dragons; Jon]

***

The next morning Xaro’s galleas was gone, but the “gift” that he had brought her remained behind in Slaver’s Bay. Long red streamers flew from the masts of the thirteen Qartheen galleys, writhing in the wind. And when Daenerys descended to hold court, a messenger from the ships awaited her. He spoke no word but laid at her feet a black satin pillow, upon which rested a single bloodstained glove. “What is this?” Skahaz demanded. “A bloody glove …” “… means war,” said the queen.

[A Dance with Dragons; Daenerys]

*

As they did their count, Jon peeled the glove off his left hand and touched the nearest haunch of venison. He could feel his fingers sticking, and when he pulled them back he lost a bit of skin. His fingertips were numb. What did you expect? There’s a mountain of ice above your head, more tons than even Bowen Marsh could count. Even so, the room felt colder than it should.“It is worse than I feared, my lord,” Marsh announced when he was done. He sounded gloomier than Dolorous Edd.Jon had just been thinking that all the meat in the world surrounded them. You know nothing, Jon Snow. “How so? This seems a deal of food to me.”

[A Dance with Dragons; Jon]

***

Dizzy, Dany closed her eyes. When she opened them again, she glimpsed the Meereenese beneath her through a haze of tears and dust, pouring up the steps and out into the streets.The lash was still in her hand. She flicked it against Drogon’s neck and cried, “Higher!” Her other hand clutched at his scales, her fingers scrabbling for purchase. Drogon’s wide black wings beat the air. Dany could feel the heat of him between her thighs. Her heart felt as if it were about to burst. Yes, she thought, yes, now, now, do it, do it, take me, take me, FLY!”

[A Dance with Dragons; Daenerys]

*

Jon clasped the offered hand. The words of his oath rang through his head. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men.

[A Dance with Dragons; Jon]

***

I really try to see some romantic hints in those but I can’t find them. So why did D&D choose to do j*nerys instead of jonsa? Let’s face it: Their main audience are locals and Dany lovers. People were waiting them to bang... (ew). And when he was asked about Grrm’s intentions about Jon and Dany, Alan Taylor (director) said that he can’t tell what Grrm said because it is a S8 twist. So even the most j*nerys shipper director couldn’t confirm that j*nerys was sth Grrm told them about. What Grrm told them was a S8 twist, which turned out to be Jon killing Daenerys. I bet they chose the route of a romance instead of them being enemies (Dance of Dragons 2.0 ?!?!?!) so they could shock the audience with the final twist (a poor choice i must say).

So what I am trying to say is that: j*nerys is probably not a book thing. Or at least it can only be one sided in the books. Look at the S7-8 Jon Snow.. they made him so OOC to be in love with Dany... I am sure that Book!Jon won’t be in love with Dany. To be fair, I even can’t see Jon in Dragonstone or etc. Traveling during a White Walker threat is not a good idea. He won’t have such a time to go to DS and fall in love with someone like Dany. Dany is a combination of Cersei, Joffrey, Stannis, Selyse and Melisandre... Can you imagine Jon falling for those? No I don’t think so. I mean there is even dragon glass in Skagos... why would he bother to go DS? And we know that Dragons don’t like North and I can’t image using the fire threat to beat the ice threat... So her dragons won’t be the main forces against the Others. 

I tried to explain why Show!J*nerys was so forced to please the audience and how it was a fan service plot. But still an one-sided j*nerys can happen in the books. There are more foreshowings for this tbh. I am imaging an Aerys-Joanna-Tywin kind of triangle in the books. 

I mean look at this: (I have examined the Jon chapters that follow Dany ones in the ADWD and there were some interesting things. Maybe i’ll write a meta about them one day but for now let’s focus on one hint that I found interesting)

“I want to know. I never knew my father. I want to know everything about him. The good and … the rest.” “As you command.” The white knight chose his words with care. “Prince Aerys … as a youth, he was taken with a certain lady of Casterly Rock, a cousin of Tywin Lannister. When she and Tywin wed, your father drank too much wine at the wedding feast and was heard to say that it was a great pity that the lord’s right to the first night had been abolished. A drunken jape, no more, but Tywin Lannister was not a man to forget such words, or the … the liberties your father took during the bedding.” His face reddened. “I have said too much, Your Grace. I—”

[...]

How beautiful, the queen tried to tell herself, but inside her was some foolish little girl who could not help but look about for Daario. If he loved you, he would come and carry you off at swordpoint, as Rhaegar carried off his northern girl, the girl in her insisted, but the queen knew that was folly.

[A Dance with Dragons; Daenerys]

This is Daenerys’ wedding chapter and she learns about her father’s jealousy about Tywin and Joanna’s marriage. 

And bonus: she also wishes that Daario to take her away like Rhaegar did with his Stark lady. So in her wedding chapter she mentions the love between a Targaryen prince and a Stark lady. 

But she also knows that no one is coming for her. 

And Jon chapter follows this chapter. And he talks about: his dislike for Selyse and Melisandre, kinslaying, daggers in dark, the grey girl. So he won’t like Daenerys either, kinslaying is an important hint (both for Dany-Viserys and Jon-Daenerys) and I bet that Grey Girl is Sansa. 

Now we know that Dany is Aerys 2.0 with dragons and she will end what her father has started by burning down KL. So in this triangle Dany is Aerys. 

And who are Joanna and Tywin? 

The first J+T pair she’ll meet will be Aegon and Arianna probably. They are cousins too and Aegon chose not to be just a consort to his aunt by marrying her, so he’ll probably choose Arianne to gain Dorne’s support. I always consider Aegon (fake or not) and Arianne as a warning for Daenerys about Jonsa. Aegon has parallels with Sansa and Jon (secret identity with different hair color and secret Targ parentage etc). And Arianne has parallels with Sansa (The girl in the tower trope). So those two will be a test for Daenerys before she meets with Jon and Sansa. But her main test will be with Jonsa.

Jonsa fit into Joanna/Tywin pair more. They are cousins and they grew up together and after them being reunited they will be very important for each other. 

And let’s not forget about the fact that Tywin was the Hand of Aerys and he betrayed him and his son Jaime killed Aerys in the throne room... We are all aware of the parallels between Jaime and Jon already. But Jon was also her adviser and she wanted to rule the 7K with him. But in the end he betrayed her. I believe that Jon’s Ygritte arc might be useful for him to lure Dany into some false trust. But him sleeping with her and loving her and later lose her in his arms sounds like a cheap copy of Ygritte/Jon plot and it makes no sense. 

I think Dany will be taken with him and he’ll use this but it doesn’t mean that they will be lovers. Because it seems like Grrm is going to use RLJ in Jon’s romantic life (like he planned in the original/first outline with Jon-Arya romance). And RLJ has no effect on j*nerys. They can still f*ck and marry... 

I mean Grrm even put an uncle-niece marriage (Jonnel-Sansa Stark!!) in the Stark family tree to show that Starks have no problem with marrying with their uncles/aunts etc. Grrm only considers the marriages between siblings and parent-children as incest. So j*nerys is not a doomed love. But for jonsa; RLJ makes everything smooth. Therefore RLJ must be used in jonsa plot.

So Dany is the Aerys of the triangle and no Targaryen prince will come for her because they are busy with their Stark ladies. (Rhaegar- Lyanna and also maybe Jacaerys and Sara Snow?) 

To explain the early Jonsa political marriage, I must say that I was inspired by the Grand Northern Conspiracy. According to this theory, Howland Reed is the keeper of Robb’s Will about Jon and he is also the one who knows about RLJ. 

It does not go north with Galbart Glover and Maege Mormont, who expressly carry false letters, and is often feared lost at the Twins in the chaos following the Red Wedding. Another possibility, however, is that the document was secreted away in Hag’s Mire and has now been retrieved by Lady Stoneheart. Who in turn, for a real kicker of an ironic twist, delivers the suspected proof of Jon’s kingship to Greywater Watch for safekeeping, care of Howland Reed, who then knows more of the crowns Jon’s entitled to than any other man living in the world of ASOIAF.

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Let’s accept this theory and say that Howland has the Will. Without his proof other lords can’t just announce Jon as the KITN. I believe that Howland will be present at Winterfell to show the Will. But Howland was also a friend of Ned Stark. And he is loyal to House Stark. He kept RLJ as secret for years to protect the Starks and Jon from Robert’s wrath. But Robert is dead and he has no reason to keep this secret anymore. And I can’t imagine him sitting quietly while other lords declare Jon as the King while a true born Stark (Sansa) is sitting right there. He wouldn’t betray Ned’s memory like that. So he’ll spill the tea with RLJ too. And after that maybe Sansa will finally have some agency for her choice of husband. So them together will be the one answer of North’s all wishes. 

And let’s not forget that GRRM said he knows which characters will end up married. But in the show there was no marriage. So I am still waiting a marriage. 

And even with an early Jonsa marriage, Jon and Dany might still meet. Imagine S7 with a married Jonsa. Jon leaves Sansa to fight a battle. It would be a great parallel with NedCat. Ned left Cat while she was pregnant to go to war. And maybe there will be rumors about Jon and Dragon Queen just like how Ned betrayed Cat. But like Ned, Jon would be loyal to Sansa and North too in truth. 

Maybe Jon will gain Dany’s trust and help her against Aegon. And return she’ll accept to help North. But in the end I don’t think that Dany will come/or stay in North. Also in the Jon chapter that comes after Dany one, Jon was warned against Dragons:

“Salladhor Saan?” “The Lysene pirate? Some say he has returned to his old haunts, this is so. And Lord Redwyne’s war fleet creeps through the Broken Arm as well. On its way home, no doubt. But these men and their ships are well-known to us. No, these other sails … from farther east, perhaps … one hears queer talk of dragons.” “Would that we had one here. A dragon might warm things up a bit.” “My lord jests. You will forgive me if I do not laugh. We Braavosi are descended from those who fled Valyria and the wroth of its dragonlords. We do not jape of dragons.” No, I suppose not. “My apologies, Lord Tycho.”

[A Dance with Dragons; Jon]

Maybe Dany will want sth more from Jon and will be jealous of Jon and Sansa just like her father was jealous of Tywin and Joanna. Maybe Jon will betray her in most unexpected time just like Tywin betrayed Aerys. 

Btw I am still waiting for a battle between Daenerys and Jon in Trident after he betrayed Dany. (You know Dany dreamed about a fighting against an usurper in ice armor in Trident... Jon will be the Usurper because he’ll be the King of North and Dany will see North as a part of her Kingdom.)

So my timeline would be like this:

- Jon and Sansa reunite and take North back

- The Will and RLJ happen and they unite their claims by marriage

- A dance between Aegon and Daenerys and she loses a dragon

- Jon gains her trust only to use her and pacify her to protect the North during the Dance

- Him refusing the bend the knee and them becoming enemies

- Daenerys loses one of her dragons

- Daenerys and Euron being a chaotic duo for Westeros

- Daenerys burns down KL and marches to North for revenge

- North (aka Jon) vs Daenerys in Trident

- Daenerys dies and Drogon gets hurt

- Jon refusing the throne so he can go back to North (the Duncan of Dragonflies jumped out)

- Bran becomes King

- Jon returns North to fight against the Others etc. (I refuse believe that he’ll be punished and sent back to Wall? Grrm literally has to kill him to free him from Night’s Watch so I don’t see him returning there)

- Epiloge. 

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Well I talked too much about too many things but I hope my answer was not such a bullsh*t :) 

Thanks again for the ask. Let me know your thoughts. 

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I think that the one sitting on the IT when Dany arrives shall be Cersei and I like this option better, juxtaposing the queens. Sansa North, Arianne South, Cersei in the middle. I suppose C.will be the one to ally with Euron bc she will have ran out of options. C. is capable of it. Iron Islands also split in three, Asha-Th.-North, V-Dany, E-C. GC will betray Aegon for C. Dany will be with no allies, hence she will turn North and use T's marriage. Very close to the show. Can't wait to read.

Hi anon!

(Sorry for the delay in responding.)

I actually disagree. There is no point to Aegon at all unless he is the one in conflict with Dany.

Arianne, Cersei and Dany have no meaningful personal conflict. Arianne and Dany each have a conflict with Cersei that is inherited from the previous generation. (And maybe Myrcella.) Dany and Arianne have none at all, unless Arianne suddenly declares independence. I mean, they could all fight, but where's the real drama?

And all of that could exist without ever having introduced Aegon's character into the narrative.

So why Aegon? Because he unites the narrative threads.

He's a dragon perfectly poised to reject the dragon heritage, he is a son of Dorne, he is Jon's brother (connected by prophecy and Rhaegar's idiocy), he has the actual means to unite the Southern half of Westeros - in response to the krakens and in the waking awareness of the threat to the North. He is personally connected to Dorne's conflict with House Lanniser - they killed his mother - but his scope is far greater, and by the time Dany rolls in, his political achievements and goals will be far beyond "Targaryen restoration". It will be about uniting former enemies to face a common threat (Winter, the Others, Euron, you name it).

This will be in stark contrast to Dany. Not just in her priorities but in her entire style of ruling and problem solving. What he will do in Westeros is what she tried and failed to see through in Meereen. She'll think she knows better, and Aegon is unlikely to just defer to her fire and blood approach after actually doing all the work. The teased marriage and Targaryen restoration will end in bitter conflict.

Cue Dance of dragons 2.0. Not over the iron chair, but over deeper questions of rulership, and what being a Targaryen should mean.

Alas, Dany has dragons.

I honestly think that the era of the three queens is going to be after the big conflicts: Sansa, Asha, Arianne.

Cersei's dramatic personal conflict is with Tyrion, not Dany. So while I think that the ending of Cersei and Jaime will be done in a way that connects to Tyrion, I don't think she will be a meaningful antagonist to Daenerys by the time she arrives.