#Boq: I DESERVE Glinda

[hamletthedane]

I hate the original Wicked movie script and am so glad they changed like 40%+ of it, but ngl…this would have been so funny:

[couldnt-think-of-a-funny-name]

okay disjointed thoughts about the wicked movie 1 day after watching it lets go

-first of all, my movie theater put speakers outside and was just blasting the entire soundtrack on repeat. we could hear it down the street as we were driving up. that's just simply insane

-the opening establishing shots of the land were great but honestly. the very clearly animated dorothy and gang really annoyed me lmfao like I'm sorry it cannot have possibly been too hard to get a few extras to stand in front of a screen for point 5 seconds lol. it was so fast that I Know I'm being dramatic about it but they looked more cartoon than the flying monkey's did

-baby elphie and baby nessa are the cutest things I've ever seen in my life...

-I kinda...like the more human/animal hybrids that the stage show and the original movie had. sorry. like I Get they were only like that bc you can't make a real life goat sing and dance but they're just more interesting to look at than normal-looking animals who happen to talk!

-jeff goldblum's face being hidden every time he had a dance number...I have a sneaking suspicion that he wasn't really dancing lmfao

-whoever decided to bleach ariana's eyebrows deserves jail time

-when jonathan bailey first showed up on screen my mother leaned over to me and whispered 'he's HANDSOME...'

-when cynthia finished the 'wizard and I' I had to actually stop myself from applauding. it felt so weird and rude for there to be dead silence after that performance my GOD.

-also omg the part where she's singing about the wizard de-green-ifying her and the colors in the suncatchers were canceling out the green so she looked normal....inspired!

-madame morrible had these HUGE crystal ball looking rings and I just want them so much lmao

-glinda's friends were really funny the bit were she was like 'I need to lie down' and they immediately picked her up like a plank of wood and carried her off while the one was screaming 'WE NEED A PASTRY!!! IT'S AN EMERGENCY WE NEED A PASTRY!!!' had me cackling

-I wish there was more time between them moving in and 'what is this feeling' starting? like I wanted more time to see them bickering and then also more time seeing them getting along after the ball??

-'dancing through life' was BEAUTIFUL however two complaints 1) why would they cut the line 'what's the most swankified place around?' I Quote That Often and 2) at the end when glinda and elphie dance together like...it's beautiful and everything but from what I remember after their solo moment fieryo joins them?? and they have a cute three way dance moment??? and I'm very pro "they're all in love with each other" so I missed that lol

-also just in general would of liked to see more of fieryo with the girls! like it felt like ball->lion cub->emerald city, in the course of a couple days, and idk I just feel like they could have slowed it down a bit?? especially since they broke it into two movies?? like I don't think that Actually all happened in the span of a week, but they didn't do a good enough job establishing how much time was passing so it Felt like it. which is dumb bc then it just doesn't seem realistic that elphie and glinda are THAT attached to each other by defying gravity like it feels like not enough time has passed for them to really know each other

-boq felt very mild tbh I know ethan can be more unhinged than that

-would've liked to see glinda in magic class!!

-I was a little underwhelmed by elphaba's costumes? like there were clearly patterns on the material but it was all the same shade of black so you couldn't make anything out. it felt a bit flat. and I love the idea behind the freckles I agree with freckles I am pro freckles HOWEVER her's looked very obviously drawn on. like, I have seen way more realistic fake freckles before. so that was a bit annoying

-other than the lunchmeat dress glinda's costumes were good! especially loved the flower shaped one she wore to the ball

-the whole trying to escape in the hot air ballon scene was cool as hell but as the flaming remains of it fell to the ground I couldn't help but be like wow...she really just killed all those guards huh!

-also lmfao the bit in the woods with the lion club and fieryo has like a scratch on his temple. genuinely thought to myself 'is that his lobotomy scar' lmfao

-still trying to get over the part in dancing through life where people were dancing on the spinning gears in the clock tower...bitch

-the flying monkeys were correctly horrifying

-when I saw the broomstick I was like 'won't that be really uncomfortable between your legs' but then she just held it next to her like they do in the stage show and I was like....okay I guess you win that one? lmfao like I don't mind it for when she's hovering but when they had her like supersonic zooming on the broom it was weird that she wasn't actually riding it

-overall I just don't understand how it's an adaptation of act 1 but it's the length of the entire stage show?? lmao like I wish they took advantage of the split and added so much more but really really it was still just such a solid great movie. 5 stars. I can't keep talking about it right now I'm gonna start screaming.

[contrarian-grammarian]

Glindafication, or the Trap of Persona in Wicked (2024)

So I recently saw Wicked for the second time in theaters (this week). As a longtime fan of the musical, I think I'm one of the few people who has always loved the love triangle in it... actually, I think I'm one of the few people in fandom spaces who is willing to be open about loving love triangles when all of the characters are narratively and/or emotionally connected. Idk what to tell you other than I love mess and when shipping echoes the themes of the text.

Anyway, that's a longwinded way of saying that while the movie adaptation didn't make many changes to the story (including not adding a lot of extra Fiyero/Elphaba scenes, which I thought they might given how much that ship drives the plot in Act 2), I thought it highlighted/made me realize a number of things about Elphaba, Glinda, and especially Fiyero that I think are both really interesting character moments and foreshadow their eventual arcs in Act 2. (Spoilers for all of Act 1 below).

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Most of this character analysis is coming from one scene that really stood out to me in the film, even though it is basically unchanged from the musical. It's a very small moment between Elphaba and Fiyero, right after 'Popular' (though I think we can assume some time has passed in the actual timeline) and right before Dr. Dillamond is fired. Elphaba is practicing her hair tossing that she's learned from Glinda, and the camera cuts to Fiyero, watching her with a slight smirk, who then says: "You've been Galindafied." Pause. "You don't need to do that."

I didn't really notice this on my first watch--like I said, it's almost the exact same dialogue as in the musical--but it did stand out to me on my second watch because of a few other acting choices for F & E that I will point out later. But on my second watch, I was like, "Wait... what do you mean, 'Galindafied' (derogatory)?" Dude, that's your girlfriend?

In Act 1 of the musical, Fiyero presents way more sincerely as a male version of Glinda. He makes a much ruder comment about Elphaba in their first meeting, and (at least in the stage versions I've seen) really seems settled into his playboy persona in 'Dancing Through Life.' However, in the movie, I think it becomes clearer earlier on (due to the sincere interest displayed in his and Elphaba's first meeting, as well as some other small acting choices during his first meeting with Galinda) that Movie!Fiyero does not actually like fakeness. Which means he doesn't like himself, because he knows how fake he is.

I think in Fiyero's mind, he is two people: Fake Fiyero, who is selfish and shallow and stupid and hot, and Real Fiyero, who knows that Fake Fiyero sucks and it's all a bullshit cover to make his life easier. And Real Fiyero is onto Galinda in a heartbeat--at least, the version that he first sees of her, which I'm sure he considers Fake Galinda. In Fiyero's mind--as seen when he compliments her machinations with Boq and Nessa--Fake Galinda is selfish and shallow and manipulative and hot. And he thinks Fake Fiyero and Fake Galinda "deserve each other" (derogatory).

Interestingly, I think Glinda also knows about Fake Glinda and Fake Fiyero... but she thinks they're the best versions of themselves. In Glinda's mind, everyone is supposed to wear their shiniest, most perfect versions of themselves as a mask in front of their real face. It's why 'Popular' happens right after she connects with Elphaba--in Glinda's mind, the best thing for Elphie is to develop her mask, so that everyone else can learn to love her too. Glinda is aware that it's possible to love the person under the mask--that's how she feels about Elphie and Fiyero ("I don't even think he's perfect anymore and I still want him!") but the mask is preferred.

To tie this back to the Galindafied scene, I think Fiyero sees someone doing what he thinks is the height of bravery at the OzDust dance--being themselves, unabashedly, in front of everyone despite the mockery. "I'll say this for her, she doesn't give a twit what anyone else thinks," is, in Fiyero's mind, the best thing a person can be. He's obviously misreading how much Elphaba does care, because I don't think Fiyero can fathom how somebody could care and still do the brave/embarrassing thing, but when Glinda explains that Elphaba really does care, he becomes even more impressed. And when Glinda joins Elphaba and then they both run out of the ball together, you can tell by the look on his face that he's just been impressed by both of them.

And then, it's the next time he's alone with Elphaba, and she's doing Fake Galinda's hair toss. And Fiyero's like, goddammit. He thought that Elphaba and Glinda might both be real, and now Glinda's making Elphaba into a Fake Elphie. And he's done the fake persona thing himself, he's going to keep doing it, but he really doesn't want Elphaba to think that's her only solution. That Fake Glinda is better than Real Elphaba, and she needs to change for people to like her.

In the musical, "You don't need to do that" always kinda came across to me as a "you're not like other girls" line, but Movie!Fiyero's delivery comes across as both very sincere and something of a warning. He's willing to play a fake person, and he's willing to date a fake person, but he knows perfectly well that being fake sucks, and he doesn't want Elphaba to do it. And Real Fiyero, who's not stupid or selfish, follows this advice with another comment that could never come from Fake Fiyero: "C'mon, let's get to class." And Elphaba gives a small smile before following him. Because, for the first time, I think she appreciates that Real Fiyero exists, and that he would stand up for Real Elphaba.

And speaking of Elphaba... Once she becomes friends with Glinda and Fiyero, Elphaba basically ignores the false front that Glinda and Fiyero put up and judges them based on how they see themselves. Like Fiyero, she prefers their real selves to their fake shells, but she accepts all of the parts of them that they accept. Which is why she is so much more patient with Glinda than Fiyero. She sees that Glinda is both much happier and more integrated into her mask role, and sees that it still allows her to have a basically good heart. (It's also why she's so accepting of Glinda's decision not to leave with her in the end.) She prefers the real, genuinely kind Glinda, but she can accept Fake Glinda as a protective covering.

But Elphaba sees that Fiyero is deeply unhappy with his persona, and tells him--as he just told her--you don't have to do that. "No, you're not. Otherwise you wouldn't be so unhappy." She knows that it's harder to go through life as a Real Person, but it is possible--and now she's learned that it's even possible to have friends.

At the same time, Elphaba, who otherwise is so clear about her friends' true selves, is still incredibly blind about her own worth and identity. And if she can't (or chooses not to) be Galindafied, she'll have to build a different type of mask/persona to protect herself from getting hurt. And she chooses the role of the lonely outsider who would never even be considered as an option for romantic love. "He could be that boy... but I'm not that girl." That ends up being her Fake Elphaba... one that I'm very interested to see how she sheds in Act 2.

[aussie-tea]

My personal headcanon is that Glinda actually hated Nessarose.

First and foremost I want to make it clear I don't think Glinda ever intended for Nessa to die. And even if she did I think Glinda would protect Nessa if only for Elphaba's sake.

But I do think that Glinda had a very unique third-party perspective on the sisters' relationship, and she would have seen how Nessa treated Elphaba; as nothing more than a personal assistant and human punching bag.

Glinda and Nessa were once extraordinarily alike. Both were beautiful girls, spoiled endlessly by their parents. They both treated Elphaba awfully, but the difference is Glinda has learnt, grown, and probably agonized over it. Nessa hasn't.

This was solely due to Elphaba. It was Glinda's friendship with Elphaba which taught her selflessness. And nothing shows this as clearly as her own desire for Elphaba's success, not only her own.

She even seems to recognize that Nessa is one of the things in Elphaba's life that is actually limiting her, and encourages space and separation between the sisters, which, arguably, is what's best for Elphaba.

Elphaba isn't the only person Glinda cares about that has been hurt by Nessa's actions either. Despite Glinda's moral flaws, she isn't blind to open cruelty and tyranny, especially concerning people she cares about. Nessa's treatment of the Munchkins, and Boq in particular, would not have gone unnoticed by Glinda.

Jealousy is also a huge part of Glinda's personality, so I can imagine her believing herself a better sister to Elphaba than Nessa. Or one more deserving of a sister than Nessa.

I attribute her reaction to Nessa's death to her guilt rather than any lost love between them. I can imagine that in the absence of Elphaba, Glinda might have wanted to step in as a grieving sister, placing flowers on her grave, saying a prayer.

It's further supported when Elphaba shows up, and Glinda immediately drops this act, showing her true blasé reaction to Nessa's death, whilst remaining sympathetic to Elphaba's pain.

Regardless of whether she is the besties-with-everyone schoolgirl in Act One or the happy-go-lucky Good Witch of the North in Act Two I can not imagine, in the musical, Glinda feeling anything but contempt towards Nessa.

[kittenfangirl20]

Wicked AU

(This AU will have some spoilers for Wicked)

Elphaba: Lucifer

Glinda: Eve

Fiyero: Adam

Nessarose: Emily

Madam Morrible: Sera

Boq: Peter

Dorothy: Vaggie

(This story will have mpreg and polygamy with applepie at the end, this AU will be a combination of different versions, it will also be the few times where I make Sera evil)

All of Oz was celebrating, the Wicked Witch of the West was dead. It was said a girl from another world had melted him with just a bucket of water. As the girl Vaggie made her way back to the Emerald City with her companions there was a party in the Munchkin city her home landed in. They cheered even more when a bubble descended from the sky. Inside was Eve the Witch of the North, she was the same height as the taller munchkins with long silvery blonde hair and silver eyes. Perched on her head with a jeweled crown, on her beautifully curvy and plump frame was a pink gown. The citizens of Oz cried out hoping that the witch was dead.

Eve: Yes, it has been revealed that the girl from another world slayed the witch of the west with a bucket of pure water. He melted leaving only his hat behind.

The crowd cheered as they dragged out an effigy of the Witch of the West, Lucifer. It bore a demented smile that had signature fangs and green skin. Eve knew if Adam was here he would be horrified at seeing this and he wouldn’t be quiet about this.

Eve internally: Oh Luci and Addie, you both deserved better.

Eve was handed a torch and she had to throw it on the effigy which burned. She had to leave, but a Munchkin woman called out to her.

Eve: I’m sorry, what did you say?

Munchkin Woman: I said is it true that he was your friend?

Eve: Yes….. we went to school together and passed by each other once in a while.

Years ago………

While Eve was excitedly arriving at Shiz University, a blonde young man with green skin was escorting his younger sister Emily to the school.

Lucifer: Emily, I have a present for you to show you how much you mean to me.

Emily: What is it Lucifer?

Lucifer pulled out a box and opened it. Inside were a pair of beautiful shoes covered in crystals that made them look sliver, but when the light hit them right they would shift to different colors.

Emily: They are so perfect Lucifer. I will treasure them for the rest of my life.

All Lucifer had to do was stay long enough to see Emily settled in and go back home which he wasn’t looking forward to since their father hated him. Only Lucifer could help Emily push the wheelchair. But someone rudely pushed Lucifer out of the way and grabbed the wheelchair.

Woman: You must be Emily of Munchkinland, let me escort you to your room.

Emily: Brother help me.

Emily cried, unless she trusted the person, she didn’t like someone grab her wheelchair.

Lucifer: LET HER GO!!!!!

The wheelchair flew out of the woman’s hands and glided back to Lucifer, Emily hugged him as she cried.

?: I have never seen such natural talent in magic, you must be my student.

Sera the Sorcery Professor walked out of the shadows with a smile on her face.

Lucifer: I’m sorry, I’m not a student here.

Sera: Nonsense, raw talent like that must be nurtured, I could see you someday meeting the Wizard and becoming a prized advisor to him.

(I will try to update this when I can if people like this)

[bijoupreciieux]

edit by beyondtheposter on tw.itter aka x.

dorothy’s “wicked” verse. i’d like to note that for me wicked and the wizard of oz are two completely different canons / separate entities all together. when i’m watching twoz i’m not looking at the wicked witch thinking of elphie or the scarecrow thinking of fiyero. i love both works but they’re separate for me.

🌈 in this au obviously oz is not a dream and dorothy’s companions do not have human counterparts back in kansas.

🌈 i think the silver shoes in the wicked film are gorgeous, but i’m choosing to headcanon that dorothy’s shoes will remain ruby red just a loving nod to her 1939 canon.

🌈 i have not read the mcguire novels but i am reading up on his portrayal of dorothy and i do agree that she would be genuinely and wholeheartedly apologetic to elphaba about nessarose’s death. regardless of everyone telling her that the “wicked witch of the west” is irredeemably evil and despite it not really being her fault at all in the first place —- she’s still going to be apologetic and feel bad, she’s too good natured to not feel bad even if people are telling her it was deserved.

🌈 in mcguires work dorothy is ten when she first lands in oz but since i am using judy i will continue portraying her as being sixteen when she lands in oz that first time.

okay just to be safe under the cut there will be a headcanons that contain spoilers for wicked part 2.

🌈 i like to imagine that her friendships with fiyero ( the scarecrow ), boq ( the tinman ), and brrr ( the lion ) are still genuine and that they do care for her. for example: from what i understand fiyero is tagging along with the goal of finding and reuniting with elphaba but i do like to imagine that even if he isn’t upfront with dorothy about this he does still want to help her get home and is fond of her. maybe seeing her as like a little sister.

🌈 before i go into this next one, i want to be clear i am not trying to push for a ship between dorothy and glinda the age difference would be problematic obviously but i do think dorothy would have a very innocent and sweet little crush on Ari/ana’s glinda. this doesn’t mean dorothy will be flirting with her of course but her inner dialogue / my writing might mention little things here and there that allude to her finding her beautiful and feeling “butterflies in her tummy” etc.

🌈 from Dorothy’s wicked wiki page: “Elphaba is physiologically and emotionally crippled by Dorothy's honest pleas for forgiveness for killing her sister. Elphaba then becomes furious since she never received any absolution for her sins. As it became apparent, Elphaba briefly realizes that Dorothy really was an innocent human girl from another world just trying to find her way home again.

Elphaba waves her burning broom in the air and, not paying attention to her surroundings, the hot sparks caught on her black dress and cape, setting her ablaze. Dorothy tries to save Elphaba and put out the fire by tossing a bucket of water at her, but to her horror, the water melts the Witch away, instantly killing her by accident instead of saving her.” **

** of course in the musical elphaba’s death is faked/staged. but i do like the choice to have this confrontation just being dorothy and elphaba.

[ao3feed-gelphie]

"The Hightest Cost and Consquence

read it on AO3 at https://ift.tt/JV5UKE2 by silasfinch Elphaba Thropp had every intention of marrying Glinda Upland. The cost of love seemed worth it, until it wasn’t, and she left in the night. Now, a decade later, Glinda—fashion icon, celebrity, and future political figure—is caught in a scandal that the lover who left her has unique insights into. Glinda seeks sanctuary for herself and her beloved, fragile son. The stage is set for an unlikely reunion, an unadulterated mixture of love and loss.''   "He is your namesake or at least the most acceptable Uplander variation that I could bring to the notion; there are tributes to great grandparents in his middle names, but you were the first." Glinda says, a shine of tears in her eyes. Glinda still has enough to avoid letting the tears touch Elphaba's skin, mindful of the skin sensitivities. "I am not certain that he deserves the weight of such a legacy, nor to I deserve such an honour." Elphaba doesn't bother to hide the tremble in her voice. "If I was going to experience unexpected parenthood to a boy who will need my support in different ways, then why shouldn't I acknowledge the person who left such a handprint on my heart?" Glinda asks, genuine curiosity in her voice. Words: 7241, Chapters: 1/?, Language: English Fandoms: Wicked (Movie 2024), Wicked - All Media Types Rating: Mature Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Categories: F/F, Gen Characters: Elphaba Thropp, Galinda Upland, Fiyero Tigelaar, Nessarose Thropp Relationships: Elphaba Thropp/Galinda Upland, Boq/Nessarose Thropp Additional Tags: Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Alternate Universe - Modern with Magic, Reunions, Disability, Communication, Lesbian Galinda Upland, Falling In Love, Celebrities, Scandal, Activism, Canon Disabled Character, Children of Characters, Family Reunions read it on AO3 at https://ift.tt/JV5UKE2

[princesssarisa]

Are you still doing the character asks? If so, I’m requesting a three in one for you, Galinda/Glinda, Elphaba, and Nessarose all from Wicked

I already answered asks for Elphaba and Glinda long ago.

Now for Nessarose...

(This is for the musical only, because I haven't read the book.)

Favorite thing about them: Well, she starts out as nice girl, and even after her dark turn, she still has a sad, pitiable aspect to her.

Least favorite thing about them: Nothing much. Just that she becomes a dictator who strips the Munchkins of all their rights, just so she can force her unrequited love object Boq to be her slave... and then tries to enchant him into loving her when he tries to leave her... and after she nearly kills him by accident and Elphaba is forced to turn him into the Tin Man to save him, she refuses to take responsibility, but puts all the blame on Elphaba... In short, she becomes more of a real villain than her sister ever is, and it's more than just propaganda that makes the Munchkins sing "Ding-Dong" after her death.

On a meta level, real-life wheelchair users have argued that her portrayal is fairly ableist. It's taken for granted by everyone, including herself, that her disability is a terrible, tragic thing, and her ultimate "Freudian Excuse" for becoming a villain is basically just her misery over being disabled. I only hope that Part 2 of the film version does a better job of fleshing out her character and avoiding ableism than Act 2 of the stage version does, especially because her screen actress really is disabled.

Three things I have in common with them:

*My dad adores me and has spoiled me a little too much.

*I sometimes have low self-esteem, as she does when she thinks it's because she's disabled that Boq doesn't return her love.

*I wish I were less dependent on others than I am.

Three things I don't have in common with them:

*I don't use a wheelchair.

*I don't have an older sister.

*My mom didn't die giving birth to me.

Favorite line:

Her poignant response when Glinda suggests that Boq just isn't the right one for her:

No, it's me that's not right. 

The tragic moment when she realizes what she's become and gives herself the title we know her by from The Wizard of Oz:

All alone and loveless here.

Just the girl in the mirror.

Just her and me! The Wicked Witch of the East!

We deserve each other.

brOTP: Her sister Elphaba before things go bad.

OTP: None.

nOTP: Boq.

Random headcanon: Even though Wizard of Oz fans like to think that the witch Dorothy sees flying on her broomstick during the cyclone was the Witch of the East, not of the West, in the Wicked-verse I don't think it was. In fact it couldn't have been, because unlike her sister, Nessa doesn't fly on a broomstick; she never learns that spell. If in Wicked canon, Dorothy saw a witch during the cyclone, it was Elphaba rushing to try to save her sister after seeing her vision of the flying house, only to arrive too late.

Unpopular opinion: I don't think I have one.

Song I associate with them:

"Wicked Witch of the East" (yes, that's Deedee Magno Hall, the voice of Pearl from Steven Universe):

Favorite picture of them:

Michelle Federer in the original cast:

Amanda Rose:

Jenna Leigh Green (yes, fellow '90s kids, Libby from Sabrina: The Teenage Witch):

Arielle Jacobs:

Marissa Bode in the film version:

[just-some-guy-at-shiz]

The more I think about it, it really is Boq’s “just some guy” energy that makes him so interesting. In a musical so concerned with the difference between good and wicked, he’s one of the most morally grey, and morally normal. He’s a very normal person, and that’s relatable. Glinda and Fiyero started out kind of awful and became really good people. Elphaba was really good but she’s leaving behind a legacy as The Worst. Nessa had a very distinct shift from kind and hopeful to controlling and committing wicked acts. But Boq never really leaves the middle ground of “not trying to be a saint or make people miserable, just trying to live my life.” On one hand, he is genuinely nice to Nessa and he spares her feelings and dances with her, but on the other hand, he still used her and kinda led her on. He does not at ALL deserve the fate he suffers at Nessa’s hands, so we sympathize with him, but then he unfairly blames Elphaba and directs a mob to kill her, which makes us somewhat less sympathetic. And he never learns his lesson in the end like Glinda and Fiyero; he has no character growth whatsoever, and his story isn’t wrapped up with a bow. It’s left open ended, and what’s he gonna do with his life now? Is he going to move on from the past and find true, requited love? Is he going to spend the rest of his life bitter and angry? We have NO IDEA, there’s no indication. Nothing in the narrative that would suggest any particular outcome. Everyone else is either such a big personality or green (or the sister of the green one) that they were always fated to be part of the larger story. But Boq is really just Some Random Guy that happened to get involved, not particularly good or bad but just trying to get through college.

“I never asked for this / Or planned it in advance / I was merely blown here / By the winds of chance

I knew who I was / One of your dime a dozen mediocrities…”

[orlissa]

I like the idea of Wicked being a film, but I heavily disagree with (and hate) the casting of Elphaba and Glinda. I’m sorry to the actor himself but I disagree with the casting of Fiyero; however, I’m sure Jonathan will do fine. Ariana and Cynthia are narcissistic pieces of shits and the showed us proof more than one time, but moving on. That’s not Elphaba, that’s fucking Shrek.

Regarding the "stage" version and that only, I understand why nobody sympathizes with Nessarose getting killed, but aside from Elphaba’s subplot involving Dorothy, why else should no one have sympathy towards her? Genuinely asking.

Hi Nonnie!

Oh, yeah... I've been a big fan of Wicked since... around 2008? I don't even remember, but seeing it one the West End in 2011 was, with a bit of exaggaration, a highlight of my life, and while I was initially excited for it getting a movie adaptation... yeah, I did not ask for this. I absolutely agree with you - this movie is terribly miscast, (imho) misinterpreted, and on the top of that, a PR disaster, really. (The newest bit is that they held a special screening... with the Kardashians. No comment.) Yeah, I will not pay for this, anwill gladly watch it burn while munching on popcorn.

As for Nessa - I'm not saying she does deserve sympathy. From some aspects, she does - I do believe the "are people born wicked, or do they have wickedness thrust upon them?" line applies to her too. As a child, she is awfully spoilled, her every whim fulfilled, which makes - at leats that's how I'd analyze the character - her believe that she is entitled to everything - say, Boq's love. In which situation she also is a victim, because if it's not for Galind's scheming... but I'm getting away from the point.

So, yeah, poor, tragically beautiful child, who is waited and doted on all her life. And excuse me, my train of thought is gonna get a bit muddled here, because I'm writing this on a fly, and because it's been a good while since I saw the musical. So, the point is, despite being a spoiled brat (well, she is, in act one, a sweet one, but still a brat, who is endulged because of her condition), she could have turned out a good person, maybe with some reality check - but the thought I cannot escape is: while she was being spoiled, Elphaba was being abused (verbally, mentally, emotionall, probably fiscally), all in front of Nessa, and she probably didn't do much to prevent that. She just took it for granted that her loving sister (because Elphaba was loving, and I do believe that Nessa loved her in her own way) would take care of her.

So there are a lot of complexities here, that's what I want to say. Nessa ends up being a tyrant, and maybe deserves what's coming for her. But at the same time can we sympathize with her? Sure. I mean, it's not entirely her fault - we can sympathize with her condition, with how she is played by Galinda, how she is being enabled by her family, etc. So, yeah, there can be sympathy.

...But no happy ending for her (no-one really gets a happy ending here, okay?). That's where the whole PR train goes off the rails. Nessa is not a disability triumph. She is deeply flawed character with a tragic and dark ending, who also happens to be disabled.

[confusion-doodle]

In my mind, Boq genuinely fell in love with Nessa after Glinda told him to ask her to the ball, realising they both deserve respect and love, we also need to remove the rampant fucking ableism omfgosh, the whole magical cure, what, I have a feeling I had a whole story about him becoming the tinman but I don't remember it, I honestly thought it was true so idk where I heard it,

[misscoolisback123]

Am I the only one who's not excited about the "Wicked" movie? I saw the trailer during the Super Bowl, and it looks great visually. Dorothy Gale is a fully fleshed out character, unlike in the book and Broadway musical. I was excited several years ago, but now I don't think it will do well. If it was animated, then fine. But it's also due to the scandal surrounding Ariana Grande and Ethan Slater. If they had a minor scandal, then I would be fine, but no. She stole a married man who also has a baby. Ariana Grande genuinely doesn't deserve to play Glinda. For many years, many girls and women have wanted to play Glinda, but Ariana acts as if she's been given this role years ago when she was a kid. Ethan Slater playing Boq is ironically fitting. But if it wasn't Ariana playing Glinda and Ethan Slater playing Boq, then I would have mixed feelings, but most of them leaning towards positive feelings. Looking at her promotion pictures for the movie, it doesn't feel like she's playing a character it looks like she's modeling for a photo shoot. The actress playing Elphaba looks very convincing.

[the-patchwork-girl-of-oz]

Thank you!!!!!

She feels like a bow girl. Also kind of a circle skirt girl. Also the hat and boots are ✨ICONIC✨ (and I gave her frilly socks because she deserves them). I kinda felt like she might do the braids that connect in the back to keep her hair from getting messy.

I think I was talking to my friend once because my personal headcannon is just that Boq is literally anything trans, Transmasc, transfem, non-binary, gender-fluid, bi-gender, I just feel like they wouldn’t be cis. Idk why.

Anyway they said that is she was transfem, she could get gender envy from Glinda, which makes a lot of sense, so I thought she’d either be similar to her in style or she’d have lots of bright eye burning colors like on her uniform. Or both. Like Glinda, but eye burning.

Either way I feel like she’d be a girly girl. Idk why, that’s just the vibe I get from her.

Sorry, I tend to put too much thought into headcanons and stuff like this.😅

You can’t take off the hat. If you try, you will be met with layers upon layers of slightly different hats underneath.

My friend headcannons the tin man from Wizard of Oz as a trans women and I already drew female versions of Nick Chopper (the original tin man in human form from the OG Oz books) so here’s my interpretation of Boq from Wicked as a trans girl 💕

Full outfit!!

[tunemyart]

one of my favorite things about wicked the musical (and to be clear, there are many. so many) is the repetition and variation on the ��you/we deserve each other” theme. Just about every group of folks in the main cast of characters either say this about each other or have it said to them: G(a)linda and Fiyero, Elphaba and Fiyero, Nessarose and Boq, Nessarose and the wicked witch of the east, Elphaba and her hat (e.g. her own witchiness, destiny, etc., and which is also one of my favorite things about the musical in that it’s the first, but not the last, part of the Witch’s costume that Glinda bestows on her).

Just about the only couple who doesn’t get it said about them - and notable precisely bc of its omission because the story is about the two of them! - is Glinda and Elphaba.

There are a lot of ways to take this but here’s what I believe about it: that the “you deserve each other” theme is something that always, at its heart, becomes a bitter thing... and the heart of Glinda and Elphaba’s relationship is anything but bitterness. In fact it’s entirely the opposite. It’s understood that they deserve each other, in the same way it’s understood that - because the play is a tragedy - they also can never have each other in permanent way.

[i-came-back]

Okay so

I came up with a thing while reminiscing about seeing Wicked in London again

Gotham Wicked AU + my reasoning

Glinda- Kristen, she deserves to have her flouncing moments, she starts off underestimated but grows into her own character, she and Edward’s relationship gets their more interesting redemption

Elphaba- Edward, green nerd who can’t lead with his heart without tripping over it a couple times first- enough said, similar dynamic to Elphaba where they’re both gifted but hated because of something they cannot physically help

Nessa- Isabella, this would’ve been Kristen but this would fit better because Edward mourned Kristen but used her death to fuel his rise to a murderer but when Isabella died he sought justice for her death which fits more with the OG dynamic of Elphie and Nessa

Boq- Dougherty, he deserves a lifetime as cold as his heart and as small as his dick

Fiyero- Oswald, rich kid Oswald who got to live with two loving parents fuels my heart, heterosexual Oswald is hilarious to me, Oswald still grows from his experiences with Ed and if he’s Fiyero he can come back from the dead like in canon

The Wizard- Maroni, crafty enough to secure power but not smart enough to keep it

Morrible- Fish, she would never willingly join Maroni so to have her side with him and wind up the worser for it is delicious to me

[lesbiten]

if you were in charge of the wicked movie what would you do with it? like, what changes would you make, etc.

OK so i wanted to think about this a bit and also wait until the dw mania was over with so now that we're here. hm.

i think first and foremost i would add at least a few elements of the book into it.....because i think that both the musical and the book on their own arent really suitable to be adapted into a movie but i think if you combined them it would better translate.

i think that having some of elphaba's upbringing (maybe toned down a bit since this. is. a movie that will appeal at least somewhat to kids) and many of the side characters (avaric, crope and tibbett, pfannee and shenshen, etc) from the book would help out a lot with the worldbuilding and relationship building that the musical misses out on.

on the other hand i think that the movie would be better off keeping shiz the way the musical interprets it (the whole ama system isn't there, etc) at least in most aspects because i think it would work better in a movie setting. the book does a fine job at going into the intricacies of shiz life and i don't think that the movie would be able to do it proficiently. it would be better to have it the way the musical does as an almost modern college.

now, onto the things i will get fired up about! the main characters!!! let's start with something easy. boq! he's a funny one because his character between the book and the musical are like night and day. i do think that at the end of the day boq's characterization doesn't matter THAT much in the grand scheme of things. however. the musical does sort of turn him into a caricature and i did like how the book kind of made him. human. and i want for movie!boq to have more of the Human aspect than the caricature aspect. i want for him and elphaba to be friends (if the movie shows some of her upbringing like i suggested, one of the scenes it could show is her and boq playing together as children so it. makes sense). im not sure if i can ask for the same 'boq eventually gets over his crush on glinda' from the book if they go for the same route story-wise as the musical, but i did also like that aspect of his character more than i did in the musical :)

next! fiyero. fiyero fiyero fiyero. i will be honest. i don't really know what i want from fiyero in this movie. i want him to look like he does in the book. i think that ones pretty obvious. if they whitewash him in this movie i will actually kill someone. but like. character wise? i don't really know! i think at this point it's kind of a staple of fiyero's character (both book and musical) that he's not a great guy. and i'm fine with him being kind of a creep or generally unlikeable. but i want the narrative to UNDERSTAND that he's unlikeable. i don't want to be fed the idea that fiyero is a hero in this story when he isn't. i think that's really the most i can ask for right now for him. i think they're either gonna do really well with him or really bad. i guess we'll see!

glinda. :). i think that. well. okay we know that the musical kind of had a problem with turning characters into stereotypes. and while this did happen to glinda, i do think she managed to retain a lot of character traits outside of her stereotype and i can appreciate that. HOWEVER. i would kind of just like for that dumb blonde stereotype to......maybe just.......be toned down. like a lot. she deserves to be smart!!! i don't know. i want her to have her interest in architecture back. i also want there to be no plot point even remotely related to her actually being in love with fiyero. i've already talked about it a million billion trillion times so i won't do it again when this post is ALREADY long but i think that when you read thank goodness as being about fiyero it becomes almost meaningless. it loses so much emotion and meaning. that song always has been and always should be about elphaba. that's all! thanks! but yeah i think glinda is also kind of in the category of 'it can go either way'. like i think they're either gonna nail her or they're going to just. do so so badly. either way we have to watch ariana grande perform her songs so who's really losing

and NOW. for everyones favorite green motherfucker. elphaba. she's a really tough one for me!!!!!! because book!elphaba and musical!elphaba are so so so SO different but they make enough sense in the context of their respective worlds. if the movie had the world of the musical and dropped an elphaba modeled after her book counterpart into it, i think it would just! not work! so i think how she gets written should and will depend entirely on which direction they go with the worldbuilding. i think that if they lean in more on the politics and religion from the book, then we should have the elphaba that didn't like the wizard in the first place. who worked closely with dillamond during his research and was deeply in tune with the political world of oz. but if they lean in more on the "were going to drop worldbuilding for the sake of relationship building" that the musical had, then i'm all for elphaba retaining her whole 'idolizing the wizard' thing. i mean. it's not like they're just gonna cut the wizard and i. so elphaba in some capacity is going to have to idolize the wizard. idk. once again!!!!!!!!! i'm not sure if i have a specific "i want her to be like this" i just want for them to write her in a way that makes sense. i want for her to be her own character and not become an extension of fiyero in the second act. anything. at all. please.

overall. i don't know what changes i would make because i am not a writer and i do not write. HOWEVER. i do spend an excessive amount of time thinking about blorbos from my musicals and i think this movie has the opportunity to right some of the wrongs of the musical. will it actually do that? who fucking knows! i'm going to watch it either way.