#BRUCE’S KILL COUNT IS HIGHER BUT HE GETS SO UPSET WITH JASON

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Even funnier when you realize how horrified Bruce was of Jason in the issue immediately following it. The Filipe ending is left ambiguous but Bruce doesn’t even QUESTION whether Jason killed him or not.

They both sit there eating breakfast as Bruce tries to pretend that nothing is wrong.

Now imagine Jason kicking his legs, so short that they don’t even touch the ground.

I don't think a lot of you guys are appreciating the fact that when I say yeah I think Jason Todd killed Felipe I'm thinking of my Robin Jason specifically and my Robin Jason looks like this:

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How many mom figures does Jason have in crushing u?

He’s got mom-figures, aunt-figures AND grandmother figures.

Selina and Talia are both like mothers to him. Talia especially has straight-up claimed him as her son, as far as she’s concerned, she has two sons, and their names are Jason and Damian. Damian is very confused by this, because he will be talking to Talia on a custody visit or whatever you want to call it, and she’ll say, “Give your brother my love when you get back to Gotham,” and the first thing to come to mind for Damian is, but I don’t have brothers? and the next thing to come to mind is but I have a whole bunch of brothers? and he’ll say, “What brother do you mean, mother?” because he can’t figure out why she would say that to any of them, and Talia is annoyed like, “The only brother you have, Jason, obviously!” And Damian is just like?? How and when did this happen?! (Like eight years ago Dami, keep up). And I am absolutely stealing @holy-fate-worse-than-death‘s idea that all the Al Ghuls are christened in the Lazarus Pit. When Talia submerged and healed Jason in it, that was her christening Jason as her child too. That was her birthing him. She’s as much Jason’s mother as Bruce is Jason’s father, it’s real to them. She is his mom.

Jason’s relationship with Selina is more more new, like the kid warming up to his step-mom (because that’s almost literally the situation) but they have a strong base. And Selina really understands him like Bruce honestly can’t. She was raised on the streets, ran a mom for a bit there, was a thief/criminal, on almost any point where Jason and Bruce would argue, she can actually trust Selina to understand where he’s coming from an maybe even be on his side. They are very similar in a lot of ways and immediately started to connect when she officially married Bruce (which was the unspoken ‘okay’ for the family to start getting attached to her, before that she was flighty so they always felt she might leave and didn’t want to get too attached to her in case that happened). But now they are getting very close. Dick is still a bit wary of Selina, and Tim and Damian don’t have much in common with her, but Jason is a boy after her own heart, they have similar humor and are both skilled infiltrators and thieves, she loves teaching him a thing or two in that respect.

The family actually tries to keep them from teaming up much on missions unless Bruce or Dick is there too because it all just inevitably gets out of hand because they love breaking into places and joking around, especially at Bruce’s expense. Selina actually thinks a lot about how life would have been if she’d found Jason instead of Bruce, if maybe Jason’s life might have been better. But knowing her luck probably not, so she never voices this thought aloud, all it would do is hurt her boys, but she likes to think there’s a universe out there where Jason was her son first and Bruce’s second–not that she doesn’t love the other kids too but with Jason it just feels especially right and oh-so-possible that he could have been her Stray.

And then there are Jason’s ‘aunts’, good old Ivy and Harley, an anon sent me something that’s just perfect for this and I was holding on to it to think of something to write with it, but I think I’ll post it here because it’s so appropriate:

Ivy and Harley have officially acknowledged him as Selina’s kid, (unofficially they’ve acknowledged the other batkids as her kid too, but they are less excited about their inclusion. Ivy is going to miss tying up Tim with vines and Harley always had fun fighting with Damian but now they have to ugh, HOLD BACK. Harley really likes Duke, though, and has called him her nephew to his face, which Duke is very confused about, and knowing that Damian hold’s the Al Ghul views about saving the environment from humans gives Ivy a positive view of him.) They’d always rather liked Jason, Harley very much approved of him trying to kill the Joker, not to mention that Robinson Park, right next to Crime Ally, had a lot less assholes running around messing with Ivy’s plants when Jason took the territory, so she’s always had a higher opinion of him for that reason alone. So far Jason is the only kid who has been invited to Sirens’ nights, though they are considering inviting the others, maybe one or two at a time. Harley has really been trying to be a hero lately and Ivy, because she loves her, is making an effort to as well, especially now that Selina has taken the plunge, so they’re going to have to get used to these kids if they want to stay in Gotham.

For Jason’s part he likes knowing that he can count on those two in pretty much any situation, they are never going to judged him for having killed people, or for much of anything really because they’ve done worse and don’t regret their actions. It’s very relieving for him to know that he’ll always be accepted by them, even if he messes up with this thing with the JLA and the batfam and everything. If for some reason he royally screwed-up and all the heroes turned on him, he knows Ivy and Harley wouldn’t.

And on to the grandmother figures. Jason has Ma Gunn and Ducra. Jason doesn’t know it, but Ma Gunn is his biological grandmother. She’s your regular ol’ uzi-wielding, cigar-smoking granny and you can see exactly where Jason gets it from. She was never around when Jason was a kid, when she took Jason in the first time she never told him they were related and when he got older it felt too late to mention it. Jason doesn’t like what she was doing before, but he’s been crashing at her place with the Outlaws for a while now and she really does treat him like her grandkid, and she’d never thought she would feel any kind of care or pride over her useless son’s kid, but she can’t help herself. They are just so much alike. If something happened to her, Jason would be pretty upset. If Jason ever found out she was his grandmother, he’d be really betrayed that she hadn’t told him, because he does hold a certain fondness for her and would love to know that she was his real grandmother.

Ducra is his other grandmother figure, and he’s really grateful to her for taking him into the All-Caste. He knows she has a certain fondness for him, because if she didn’t the descent among the Caste at his acceptance would have had her running him out ages ago. They didn’t like that he was an outsider or a human or uninitiated into any organization they respected (like the League of Assassins). That she took it upon herself to recognize him as their prophesied and teach him their ways made a lot of people hate her. In the end she was right, that he was strong and good and was able to learn all of their techniques, yet they still don’t like him. Jason is really thankful that she fought for him against her own people, as well as was the only teacher he had at the time to teach him anything worthwhile or good–while everyone else were awful people like Egon who betrayed his sense of ethics at every turn.

Sometimes Jason wonders if he might be descended from her, far far back in his bloodline or something, and maybe that’s why he can use the All-Caste techniques when most people on the planet can’t even after lots of training, but she’s never talked about having any kids outside of Essence (not to mention that would make his thing with Essence a little weird) so maybe that’s just some wishful thinking on his part. Maybe he just wishes there was a blood connection so he could never lose that relationship, like he worries losing his relationship with Talia or Selina or Ma Gunn. Like he seemed to lose his relationship with the bat family. He had worries that maybe blood was the only way you could be assured that people would stay with you, keep loving you–but some time with Kori and Roy finally changed his mind on that. He knows they will always love him and they don’t need blood for that, so he’s less worried than he used to be that all of these relationships in his life will just go away one day when they realize he’s not good enough.