#And it will be between either Leopardfoot or Spottedleaf

[bonefall]

i think that Leopardfoot should still give her son a life. haven’t read the book in years, but isn’t there somecats that Tiger literally didn’t ever know? i personally wouldn’t want to be given a life by a complete stranger who i’ve never even heard of

Well yeah but he's getting a bunch of his lives from the Dark Forest because StarClan does not want to bless him. He wants the lives and will take them from whoever gives them.

He won't say no to a magic life just because it's coming from a stranger. He thinks he's owed the full 9. He didn't even say no to Spottedleaf, someone he knows plays tricks, whose family he killed, knowing she had something sinister in mind. His greed, superiority, and lust for power wins out against all.

[just-antithings]

i'm here to talk about warrior cat antis and i'm going to list a lot of cannon, problematic cannon pairings in here to prove my point (although take the last one with a grain of salt) <3

age-gap ones:

Thistleclaw x Spottedleaf (this is also abusive): Thistleclaw's son, Whitepaw is an apprentice while Spottedleaf is born (Apprentice is like 12-18) Thistleclaw grooms Spottedleaf while she is still a child.

Pinestar x Leopardfoot: Pinestar is older than both Leopardfoot's parents and is at least 100+ moons older than her.

Dustpelt x Ferncloud: Dustpelt is the mentor of Ashfur who is Ferncloud's brother (mentor is teacher) and he is flirting with Ferncloud while she's an apprentice.

Thornclaw x Blossomfall: (they were both adults when they met. but still one is much much older than the other) Thornclaw is like 60 or more moons older then her.

Scorchfur x Snowbird: now this is most likely the worst one besides Thistlespotted lmfao. Snowbird is way older than Scorchfur and Scorchfur got her pregnant while he was an apprentice.

Tallstar x Jake: okay, this one is going to get A LOT of hate. but let me explain. in pinestar's choice when Pinestar is an apprentice Jake is born. so when Pinestar is 6 moons jake is like a few moons old at most (no confirmed age then. he's just described as a kitten) then in Tallstar's revenge Pinestar is a full leader when Tallstar is born. so when Tallstar leaves and meets Jake, Jake is only six moons younger than Pinestar.

abusive

Bramblestar x Squrrielflight: this is a very abusive ship and there also distantly related cousins and Squrrielflight was an apprentice when they fell in love.

Crowfeather x Nightcloud: now there are countless fights about this one but Nightcloud clawed Crowfeather and yelled at him when he tried to break up a fight between their sons. but Crowfeather isn't exactly innocent himself. they later made up but still adding this here.

Twigbranch x Finleap: Finleap demanded Twigbranch have his babies and threatened to leave her if she didn't. they got better but still.

Raggedstar x Yellowfang: Raggedstar verbally abused Yellowfang a lot and tried to gaslight her into doing what he wants.

Ashfur x Squrrielflight: Ashfur tried to kill her three kits and then took over Bramblestar's body. he is also her uncle.

Turtle tail x Tom: Tom was abusive and then stole Turtle tail's kits once she left to be with Greywing and when she tried to get them back she ended up dying in the process.

incest:

these are mainly incest that at one point was cannon but was changed. (I think) the warriors family tree is a mess. so these might change at any time.

Patchpelt x Willowpelt: the two are siblings and they were the parents of Greystripe for the longest time until recently it got changed.

Ivypool x Fernsong: (this isn't bad at all) third cousins.

Breezepelt x Heathertail: Heathertail is Breezepelt's aunt.

Tigerheartstar x Dovewing: Tigerheartstar is Dovewing's uncle.

Hawkwing x Pebbleshine: there cousins.

Lionblaze x Cinderheart: Cinderheart is Lionblaze's aunt

Starflower x Thunderstar x Skystar: okay this one is a little weird but I'm adding it in here anyway. Starflower dated Thunderstar but broke up with him to date his dad, Skystar. so either Starflower is older then Thunderstar or Skystar is older then her. anyway, thunderstar dated his step mom lmfao.

semi cannon:

these are semi cannon meaning they are kind of hinted at (example is a cat having a crush on another cat but there not mates) incest, abuse and age-gaps are all here.

Spottedleaf x Firestar: (age-gap, now this could also be deemed as abusive or just fucking weird) Spottedleaf is older than Firestar and she dies and then talks to him in his dreams and seduces him despite knowing he has a mate. she then drops this and when she dies a second time the two have a romance ending.

Stormtail x Dappletail: (age-gap, maybe abusive) now I don't know if this one is exactly cannon or not. but it's hinted in Bluestar's super edition that the two of them have something going on. Stormtail is older than her and I feel like this would be abusive since Stormtail didn't care about his past mate, Moonflower

Thrushpelt x Bluestar (age-gap) now this one isn't that bad. Thrushpelt was a new warrior when Bluestar was born.

Firestar x Cinderpelt (age-gap) Cinderpelt had a crush on Firestar who was her mentor.

Lionblaze x Heathertail (incest): Heathertail is Lionblaze's aunt.

Bristlefrost x Stemleaf (incest also very small age-gap) Bristlefrost was an apprentice when she fell in love with Stemleaf although it isn't that bad. like a 16 year old having a crush on a 18 year old. but there cousins.

Stormfur x Squrrielflight (incest, also age-gap) Squrrielflight was an apprentice when he loved her and there cousins.

Berrynose x Rosepetal (incest) In Bramblestar's storm Bramblestar is like. "why is Berrynose being so protective of Rosepetal? doesn't he have a mate?" there siblings.

there a lot more but I don't feel like making this "rant" even longer. it pisses me off so much when people ship shit like this then are like. "ew incest!!!!1111!!!!" or "Ew age-gap11!!!1!!1!!" its just straight up hypocritical. some fans say they edit it out or just ignore the fact there related. (despite that being what some pro-shippers do but I digress)

anyway sorry for sending such a long ask. I just didn't know who to send this to but in the end i decided to send it to you <3 hope that's okay.

this just made me realize how long it’s been since I read warriors, I literally don’t know who half these characters are. also boggles the mind that antis want anything to do with this series

[femalefirestarau]

Shipping in the warriors fandom!

Warning for spottedleaf heart stuff because that’s a warning of its own.

Ok probably going to get some hate on this but I just wanted to point some stuff out on the shipping in my rewrite and honestly my opinion for in the fandom.. so please no death threats or any of that stuff because as I said this is my opinion and honestly those aren’t cool guys

So let me point out the number one thing I think of! They. Are. Cats! Not humans! But cats. If they were humans I will be a disgusted by the age difference but nope they are cats. Smart cats that have religion forbidden romances and all that other stuff yes but at the end of the day they are still cats.

Another thing.. if they try to stay in their age group then there will be more incest. Like really lionfrost kits (cinder, bracken, thorn and bright) are related to goldenflower’ skits (swift, lynx and even bramble and tawny) dust and raven are related to the lionfrost kits to because frostfur is dust and raven’s sister (same as fern and dust but the Erins always been messing up the incest in the books) but that’s why us fans are always trying to fix that by either making some cats former rogues or kittypets (me with robinwing, fuzzy pelt and willowpelt) but really.. in canon I don’t think the cats have much choice... and we really don’t want another patchwillow do we (like really hunters really? They are siblings!!!) also in canon they only started bringing new blood in so lots of the clans are going to be related to each other either as cousins or maybe second cousins.. somewhere down the line someone is going to ship cousins because they forgot that they were and because the Erins don’t really talk about the two cats being related

Now... the age gap. Ok i understand especially after we got the terrible book of spottedleaf heart that the age gap is kinda iffy..but I said in the paragraph above they also have to be careful with who they mate! And so I think it could be done carefully.. spottedleaf heart is a bad example since spottedleaf was a kit when thistleclaw showed intrest in her which is very wrong! Pineleopard im a little bit iffy since at least pine didn’t show any interest at leopardfoot until after she became a warrior.. heck we didn’t even know they were in a relationship until leopardfoot was in the nursery thornblossom... Just never made sense to me.. there were so many other cats thorn could have mated with and he never seem interested in anybody so why give him kits.. if they wanted blossom to have kits why thorn?

So yes I ship tigerfire because I’m a sucker to heroes x villains and the villains get a redemption arc or therapy and help (looks to all the warrior cat villains who hve daddy issues) if they were humans I would not like it at all because of the age gap and instead would let them have a mentor/apprentice friendship but their cats and my brain goes brrr also the age gap Isn’t that bad as people try to say it because it’s the same age gap between tigergolden goldenflower was already a warrior when tigerclaw was born...same with brackensorrel thrushblue ivyfern and many more

I understand and you all have your own opinions for shipping in the fandom and that’s valid! You don’t like tigerfire that fine! I’m not saying you can’t have your own opinions but I’m just putting out my reasons on how I’m shipping in my rewrite/au just remember that words can hurt people the next time you see something you don’t like.