#ALL great friends to lovers ships come back to steroline

[jessmalia]

GOSSIP GIRL (2007-2012) // THE VAMPIRE DIARIES (2008-2017)

[ywhiterain]

i must confess... i'm not opposed to d*therine as a thing? maybe that's because i hate damon though. him getting what he used to want. or, what he still wants (pre-series). or, him still into his brother's girl but settling for katherine. and him being miserable in all of these scenarios. d*therine is the perfect relationship to make sure he will be miserable for eternity. <3

haha that’s not what I want. My ideal Datherine is season three with frienemy vibes and occasionally being forced to admit they still care about each other. Like my read of Katherine/Damon is that she cared about him. Not like with Elijah or Stefan. But he meant something to her, it’s just he didn’t mean everything to her. I kinda like the idea of Damon confronting that Kathrine was never the goddess who’d save or damn him, but like a person. Though Damon’s ability to see anyone as a person instead of an object for his own means is really hard to buy with later developments tbh.

My feelings on Damon are this: he should have died with Katherine after saving Stefan and never getting to see Elena again. The writing for Damon was always shit, but this was a hobbled together ending that mostly worked. Damon actually sacrificing himself and his deepest desires so that Stefan could get the human life he’d always wanted is about as good as they could ever get without lots of therapy.

In terms of fanfic, I either want Damon not really redeemed and in an incestuous threesome with Stefan and Elena that spans centuries and continents with blood and death and trauma everywhere. As for a potentially redeemed Damon, I really only think that’s possible if he gives up on getting what he wants from Stelena (Elena as his lover, Stefan as his devoted little brother) and rebuilds it into something else or lets them go all together. Or at least Stefan and Elena being allowed to break things off and come back to him on their own terms after they’ve done some major healing.

And this is not about who ~deserves forgiveness and redemption for all the shitty things they’ve all done. It’s about how Damon refuses to actually treat Stefan and Elena as anything other than objects for his pleasure outside of a handful of moments here and there.

And I love Bamon. But I’m gonna be real. The reason I’m trying to see if I can pull off a Bonnie/Damon relationship that lasts in my stupid mpreg of doom because the chemistry between Ian and Kat was so potent that I’m mad they never kissed. I mean the narrative is basically the same as his relationship with Stefan and Elena but like Ian and Kat really wanted to make out as Bonnie and Damon and they weren’t even hiding it in later seasons and racism is the only reason it didn’t happen on some level at some time and I do think Damon at his best could be good for Bonnie. You can make the same case with Stefan and Elena, but Nina as Elena always looks uncomfortable or afraid with him. And season eight of TVD was such a terrible hot mess for Stefan that I actually wanted him to have a happily ever after with Elena when I’ve never really been super pro marriage and babies ever after but after that hot mess I was like D::::::::: just let this horrible man rest with his wife a la Davina/Kol pls. And like Steroline was such a hot mess I actually started shipping Klaus/Caroline because at least Joe and Candice have this peppy. Sure it doesn’t fit their their story but you know at least Caroline was alive and motived around him and Stefan’s inability to smile on his fucking wedding day almost made me mad at Stefan? Wtf happened there?!?!?? Let them stay friends. They were great together. Their romance should have been them having slumber parties and scheming to destroy Damon’s room not whatever they became. 

er like I don’t know if I’d classify my feelings as Damon as hate because he’s interesting with my favorite characters (Stefan, Elena, Bonnie and god help me he and Elijah are fun to watch together). But like my true ideal Damon ending would have been him dying in season two and Elena and Stefan navigating trying to survive that while everyone else around them cheered because Damon is a cockroach they all stopped trying to kill for some reason.

ALSO I’M STILL ANGRY THAT STEFAN NEEDED TO PAY FOR KILLING OFF ENZO, WHO IS A WALMART BRAND OF DAMON SALVATORE AND DAMON SALVATORE IS TARGET BRAND KLAUS BUT DAMON KILLING TYLER? TYLER WHO IS ONE OF THE FEW SHITTY MEN IN THIS SHOW WHO GOT HIS ACT TOGETHER AND BECAME A GOOD MAN? TYLER WHOSE LIFE WAS WRECKED OVER AND OVER BUT SOMEHOW STILL MANAGED TO CRAWL OUT OF THE DARKNESS AND BECOME A LEADER AND MENTOR FOR WEREWOLVES? DAMON KILLS HIM BUT NO ONE CARES FUCK THAT!!!

like haha. yeah. Damon killing Tyler and getting off scott free while Stefan agonized over killing Enzo of all people and was punished so heavily for it was just me being So Over This Hot Mess That I Mostly Find Funny Because It Was So Bad But That’s Some Extra Bullshit.

err like not Bonnie’s part. She was practically a saint about it because she’s not allowed to be angry. But the writers being all oh no Stefan can’t ever be redeemed because he killed walmart Damon is just so???? No. Stefan can’t be redeemed because he a fucking serial killer you morons. Either give Stefan his happy ending or punish him for the shit he’s actually responsible you asshats. 

true story: i wrote out enzo of my mpreg of doom because I hate him and resent that he’s apparently Bonnie’s true love. Either give us Jeremy/Bonnie, Damon/Bonnie, or develop a proper love interest with her that plays to Kat’s strengths or go the fuck home. And when I truly loathe a character my choice is to ignore and erase him. 

also true story: Damon and Stefan will get a better place in my mpreg of doom because I love @ruthseriouslydothis and she deserved a better defan. 

[xhidingintheshadowsx-a]

STEROLINE APPRECIATION WEEK Day 2 → favorite season

honestly this was so difficult to me. because there are two seasons that i would consider my favorite. one because of friendship development (season 2) and the other because of, well…

at the end of the day SEASON 6 won out 

so let’s start with the beginning yes? when he’s ignoring her calls and being basically a grade A jerk. yes, i’ll admit it. stefan was being a full blown ass. and tbh as a stefan stan i really fucking loved it. because it showed how NOT perfect he was. how he doesn’t always do the right thing. i liked the way he handled the loss of his brother. and i liked that he had to deal with the consequences when he hurt those around him. especially caroline. 

i also felt as though we finally got the confession i was waiting for. the one that had been building since season 4 & 5. they had been building towards this season. i honestly don’t care what anyone says, they foreshadowed this. they showed these two grow even closer. they showed him moving on from elena and the real moment that i think clinched it for me was when stefan died at the end of season 5. i think (in my opinion) this was the moment that caroline truly allowed herself to admit to herself that she had feelings for him. not just a lingering crush. REAL feelings. because now she might have lost him. and what does he do right after he comes back to life? he leaves. he leaves and her heart is broken. 

which brings us to her mom’s illness. yes, this brought them closer. and i understand why people had a problem with the way this was used as a backdrop for this couple getting together. kind of. did you want someone else to be there for her? elena? damon? matt? btw all of these people WERE there for her. in their own way. but stefan is her best friend. and without this driving force behind caroline’s arc, i think that steroline would have happened much quicker. because while many think that it was the reason they got together. i’d argue that it’s the reason they DIDN’T get together. 

everyone is very aware that caroline has her own insecurities. it doesn’t ever occur to them that stefan has his own set of insecurities as well. the moment when he asks how he missed her feelings honestly kills me. because it’s almost as though he can’t imagine why she would like him. there was a great deleted scene of damon telling stefan that it was time to take off the elena blinders because let’s be real, it’s the truth. just because stefan wasn’t exactly aware of his feelings, it didn’t mean he DOESN’T have them. and this is the scene that happens after. those looks say it all. self explanatory okay. he’s removing those blinders folks. (yes i know this is out of order)

moving on…

the almost kiss. which by the way it WAS. which relates back to the memory that stefan shows caroline later on in the season. because he is thinking about her. he does have feelings for her. he’s admitted it to himself okay. and he admits it to liz. so let’s go back to that moment. where he pushes her to get angry. to lash out. to use him as her punching bag if she needs him to. 

HE WANTS TO KISS HER. look at his freaking face. the way he looks at her lips for a moment before hesitating. and then she breaks. and he realizes that it isn’t the right moment. that it’s not the right time. in his mind anyway. so he does the only thing he can do. he’s her friend. which he remains through their entire relationship i might add. it’s not a trope that everyone loves but i find the whole best friends to lovers thing my favorite. because it feels the most real to actual life. maybe that’s just been my experience but i digress. 

so moving onto their actual kiss. i could talk about this entire episode and i know a lot of people are mad because it’s STEFAN’S fault that she missed her mom’s final moments. guess what, also real life. she thought she had more time. a lot of people don’t get those final moments with their loved one. they get a phone call. which is what happened. and mr. i’m a patient guy is clearly not patient anymore. and to me, it’s one of the most gorgeous kisses i’ve ever seen. the way it builds. the way that HE leans in first. the way that he touches her hair and just a;dlkfjasdlfj

and then she DOES get a final moment with her mom. and it’s a nod to the mentor relationship that they have. stefan shows her how to live in her mom’s memories. so she gets to be there. she has peace. that last shot with that memory of the bike was a wonderful send off. fight me. 

so we move onto damons’ excellent advice. which by the way, wasn’t terrible. his exact words are ‘caroline wants the real deal and if that’s not you, pull the ripcord’. tbh when it comes to caroline that IS good advice. misplaced because stefan does in fact have real feelings, but good advice. and what so many people fail to remember about stefan is that he was 17 when he died. he’d experienced love before he was a vampire but it was toxic (i do not include valerie in stefan’s canon love history) and full of deceit and while his relationship with elena was different, it was spurred on by his history with katherine. btw i ship st*lena so i’m not hating. just…remember that stefan has never experienced this friends to lovers thing. he has this idea that you can’t be friends and in love. you have to be one or the other. he soon realizes that’s it’s not the truth. 

the blinders are off at this point okay. he knows it and he later admits to his brother that he thinks what he has with caroline could be even better. meaning the fact that they are friends could make this the relationship of all relationships. and caroline did NOT turn her humanity off because of stefan. it played a part, sure. if he had told her how he felt sooner, i think she would have in fact changed her mind. but the desire to turn it off was because of her grief. because she knew that it was going to get worse. damon had admitted to her as such. from his own experience. and she felt as though she had lost stefan in some way. she’d put herself out there. they’d kissed and then she felt rejected. so she did the only thing she could do. 

i wasn’t the biggest fan of her no humanity sl. i think it could have been more interesting if stefan had pretended to turn it off instead of ACTUALLY turning it off. but i liked what we got out of it. the tension, the blood lust, the sex. i think that it was kind of awesome that their first time was like that. because they had to deal with the consequences after. btw, no humanity doesn’t mean no emotion. i think people get that confused. also the show has a terrible way of explaining it. they had emotion okay. they had anger and desire and well…DESIRE

and i’m sorry…they are fucking cuddling. like shut the front door. this entire scene with them being playful and sexy just really kills me. because it’s clearly not emotionless. and they look happy. like they’d just had amazing sex and they’re gonna do it again…and AGAIN. 

so moving on past the moment where he turns his humanity back on. was this arc of the season perfect for me? nope. do i hate that they burned the letter? j plague you fucked up good with that okay. but what i really loved about this entire episode was the moment he gets into her head. when she’s about to shove a stake through his heart and he uses every last ounce of energy and power he has left to give her that memory of her mom. it wasn’t about what he was saying about her, though i think that was part of it. he needed her to know that he did have feelings for her. but mostly it was her mom. he knew that her mom was the key to her switch and that it would trigger something. and he’s about to die guys. he was desiccating. i mean she nearly killed him. but he did it anyway. 

and then the moment that breaks me heart, every time i watch it. because not only is everything she’d been putting off feeling coming back, she also has to deal with the guilt or what she’d done. every person she killed, everything she did with stefan. her own guilt about getting him to turn off her humanity. i would have left too. 

so we lost caroline for an episode and the one scene that we have of them is stefan calling her. because he finds out his brother wants to take the cure and the person that he wants to talk to is her. she should be there. and he asks her to come home. loved that scene. it shows how reliant he is on her too. i think sometimes people have this idea that caroline needs him more than he needs her but i think he demonstrated through this whole season how NOT true that is. which is also why he selfishly wanted caroline to turn her humanity back on. 

look at his freaking face. so happy to see her. and after the afternoon he’s had with damon he really needs to talk to her. which in the next scene we see. because what are they talking about? the sex? the killing? nope. damon. they are talking about damon. because stefan is scared about losing his brother and he needs to talk about it with his best friend. he needs to express what he’s feeling and she’s the one that he wants that with. and then they talk about it. and dammit stefan is a goner okay. he’s clearly past the point of no return. he’s fully in this. he’s ready to be with her. he’s holding her hand. he’s admitting that he feels out of control around her. that he’s falling/fallen for her. 

the hand holding in this season could get me pregnant i swear. so she tells him that she needs her control. that she doesn’t want to be in that place right now. and it’s understandable. stefan understands. he’s not selfish with her. he’s not forcing her to talk. he’s not forcing her to admit anything. it’s back to i’m a patient guy. which brings us to the final moment of the season. which really did it for me. and no it does not remind me of any other ships on the show. it’s fucking ridiculous that it’s even compared to some of them because steroline is in a league of their own. and their development through the season has led them to this point. the point where stefan FINALLY tells her how he feels. he’s beat around the bush through the second half of the season but mr. romantic really outdoes himself with this speech. 

my favorite part is this ‘i understand if you need time to heal and to live your life without me. i understand if i have to wait for you. and i will. i’ll wait. and when you’re ready for me. i will be ready for you. 

lets be real. the entire delena/steroline overlap was a big ENDGAME nod. in my opinion anyway. but yeah…hopefully i didn’t bore ya’ll. <3

[thenerdyunhealthybrit]

Ugh, Anti-Plec

Honestly, I’ve been anti-Plec slowly for a while, but now....full on.

Caroline “He will be the man that I always loved” This line pisses me off because she didn’t always love him. She had a crush and moved on with Damon (ugh), then Matt. If she truly loved him, she wouldn’t of given up or it would of taken much longer to move on.

Yep, she really loved Stefan when she was getting Tyler’s D.

Yeah, she was really thinking about her “love” for Stefan, here.

Julie Plec has not only disrespected Forwood, but also Tyler. He came back for three seconds only to be killed by Damon and NO ONE IS UPSET! She literally excuses killing Tyler. Then she belittles Forwood. Who are probably more loved that Klaroline. A portion of Klaroliners (like me) also like Forwood but we prefer Klaroline.

I know that a lot of Forwood stans hate Klaroline for ruining their ship, but at least we acknowledge it:

Klaroline don’t dismiss Forwood, we acknowledge it for the greatness it is.

There are a lot of reasons why I can’t buy into Steroline, the main reason is that they are my BrOTP. they had this beautiful emotional chemistry as friends, and fans loved that. I admit I could see them as a couple, but the way it happened just went to shit.

1) They don’t have the physical chemistry or the passion to anchor a show. 2) Stefan was the reason she turned her humanity off (along with Liz’s death). Don’t fight me she said it! 3) They were bad for each other. Ok, on paper, they are fine. But I���m talking character development. Caroline went from an insecure human to an independent vampire, full of snark and sassiness, she showed no fear and managed to attract the Original Hybrid! With Stefan, she cried over a guy, always forgave him too quickly and was insecure again, it never felt like Stefan deserved Caroline. It just felt like Stefan could do what he wanted because he knew Caroline would always be there. If he messed up, like leaving Caroline and travelling and dating Valerie, or sending her to the wrong location of the twins - it was “I’m sorry”, “Forgiven” 1/2 episodes later. I want to see Stefan grovel and beg. He needs to know that he’s done wrong and how to avoid it, he needs to know that Caroline can’t be treated like that, earn her forgiveness. 4) Stefan also suffered. Now, I don’t know if this is down to Paul Wesley, he loves the epicness of Stelena. But Stefan felt more selfish with Caroline. With Elena, you knew that it was Elena and that he wouldn’t stray and Elena was the priority. With Elena gone, Julie shifted it to the brothers, but this meant that Stefan prioritised Damon over Caroline, but at times it would also be other people, he liked to keep Caroline out of the loop. 5) Caroline’s only storyline for S8 was the June Wedding and Stefan. In S7 it was Stefan, the twins were only involved due to Candice’s pregnancy. Julie just didn’t give her a proper storyline. 6) The quick steps: They got engaged just after moving in, and a couple of months after they reunited. Yeah they known each other for long. 4 years as friends, A few months in S7 as a couple, then 3 years off. - but they haven’t dated long enough on to know if they are a stable couple, what if they broke up. Spoiler alert: They did. Then they get married and it wasn’t about them. It only happened because of Katherine and Damon organised it, with Caroline getting no say, she had a Steferine song and Katherine’s necklace. Not to mention they just got back together the episode before. I’d buy the wedding more if it was fake, but then they eloped or agree to do the real thing after Katherine was dealt with. 7) When Enzo died, she went to Stefan and not Bonnie. I believe in ho’s over bro’s and I think she should of gone to Bonnie first, even if Bonnie rejects her and let Damon handle Stefan. I think that if she did that, Bonnie might not immediately reject her.

The last one isn’t about Steroline, it is about the stans. I’m not going to generalise everyone, but one of my peeves is that they claim that KC are a bullying fandom and make themselves sound perfect when I’ve heard worst. I’m not saying that Klaroline is perfect, there is a lot of ugly in ships, especially these days and in current shows. But I remember when Steroline were split and I saw stans give a lot of hate to Julie and the writers on twitter, also getting in a strop if another ship gets honoured or referenced. Also another peeve is when Steroline stans say that Klaroline stans must hate Caroline. But I’ve seen a lot of Steroline stans who like Damon and Daroline friendship and that is worst. He abused her, made her feel terrible and got away with it. Yeah, there scenes are cute but they forget the S1 context. Damon got away with it and Caroline never got an apology, Plec just address it in S8 as if he was always guilty, and she already forgave him. - The big injust is how they handled that. Prime time to approach that was S1 and S2 but they skimmed over it.

On paper, they should work. I love the friends-to-lovers- trope, but they approached it wrong and they created a couple that can’t anchor as a main couple that goes through angst, I’ve seen more people go off it. Trust me I wasn’t against this from the start. I try to love all the ships that happen, I’m Stelena, but when Delena happened I was okay this is the new thing. But the writers did not create an epic story.

Not to mention the humanity switch. It just surprises me, how much people get away with it, especially if you’re a main character. Damon and Stefan do the worst off it and they come of unscathed by the gang. Stefan has an addiction to blood, that changes someone which equates to an addiction to drugs or alcohol. It changes someone, to the point that sometimes they want to switch their humanity off and not care. Vampires can actually do that! It would just be nice for the main characters to go “No! That’s not cool, be guilty for a while” - obviously not for too long, that doesn’t make good TV, but when you compare to when they condemn someone who isn’t in their inner circle it’s shocking.

Now, you may not agree, I expect many not to. But the big fanservice isn’t great. Yes, Klaroline were a little fanserviced - but not completely otherwise they’d be together. But Steroline has been fanserviced all season this year. All you guys are so happy you got your wedding, that it doesn’t even bother you that it wasn't about them and the only reason they had it was to lure an enemy out. Yeah, they love each other, and probably would have eventually have the wedding but it wasn’t their wedding. The wedding will forever be tainted by that. If the wedding happened with no ulterior motive, I’d be upset, but I’d be fair enough and try to move on. But I can’t be happy for Caroline in the circumstances it happened.

Tyler Lockwood deserved better. Forwood deserved better. Klaroline deserve better (if you don’t intend to have them together, don’t lie and bait us).

A note for Forwood fans, if KC weren’t endgame, I would of been happy with Forwood.

[laitxias-blog]

Steroline stan: Paul has always shipped Steroline!!

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PAUL ABOUT STELENA: "It was this beautiful scene where Stefan takes Elena, and he picks her up and kisses her, and they go on the kitchen counter and things get kinda hot and heavy. But rather than sexualizing it, I decided to make it romantic. I pitched it to the writers – I was like ‘Guys, I think this should be romantic and not sexual,’ and they fell for it."

Though Wesley tells us that Stefan has “made peace” with Damon and Elena being friends with benefits, “There are always residual feelings with anyone that you’re ever with romantically.” In other words, if Elena ever decides Stefan’s the guy for her, he’ll be there.

"At the end of the day I am biased, and I would say that Stefan and Elena are probably the couple."

But Wesley also revealed his softer side with his other favorite scene from the CW hit’s run. “When Elena touched Stefan’s face for the first time and he showed her his veins and it was this beautiful moment of opening up to her and him showing her his vampire side,” he spilled of the couple’s tender moment from way back in season one. Oh Wesley, you total Stelena shipper!

"You know, I like this one moment in season 1, when his veins started to come out and he was embarrassed and she was like “no, no, you don’t have to hide from me” and she was touching his face and accepted him for who he is… I really liked that. Season 1 is great. I rewatched recently a few episodes from seasons 1 and 2, and there was some really compelling stuff in the beginning as far as when they first met, like they kind of dragged it a little bit, and I really like that."

Paul Wesley recently said that he believes that Stefan will never truly get over Elena. “That love has to always exist,” he says.

"Yes, I think there’s hope (for Stelena). Any time you have this intense relationship that lasts for two seasons… I always think there’s a possibility in TV series for people to rekindle."

“I can’t imagine Elena ever definitively saying, ‘Oh, I’m not in love with you; it’s just Stefan,’ because then I think, where does the show go from there? But her intense feelings for Damon during the sire bond — I can’t imagine that they were true 110 percent.”

"I really like the relationship between an innocent human (Elena) and a vampire (Stefan), it’s an interesting combination. It makes for a very good storytelling."

"The key to Stefan and Elena, as far as I’m concerned, is time and distance. The more you keep them away from one another, the less Stefan is trying to help Elena, trying to fix Elena, trying to run after her and pick up everything she drops — the more she just screws up on her own, he screws up on his own, they have all these experiences, and then something maybe happens."

"I think it’s always one of those things that it’s just going to sort of be there and percolate. And they are always going to have a thing for one another. It’s definitely one of those things where there’s still feelings on both ends on a genuine level."

"I know [Stefan and Elena] are the romantic love story in the entire series, but I do believe potentially that they can find a different kind of romance that isn’t as naive as it was before. I feel in season one, they were really naive lovers who weren’t aware of impending doom of any relationship."

"I think that Elena’s love with Stefan is an undying romance that will exist forever, but I don’t know if the circumstances allow for them to end up together."

"My reaction to the finale was frustration that Stefan didn’t save Elena. And this year my real question is whether they’re gonna embrace her being a vampire and just commit to it, or whether they’re gonna fight it."

" think that Elena and Stefan have an undying love and romance."

"I think we all have that situation in real life. But ultimately we make one choice. Elena has made that choice – it will always be Stefan."

"Stelena will always be the core of the show, the show revolves around Stelena. "

"I think the Elena/Stefan storyline is an integral part of the show. I think their love is infinite."

"Stefan and Elena are the core of the story."

"I think what they’re trying to do is they built this relationship with Damon and Elena and I think now they need to bring it back to the root of Stefan and Elena. And to do that they need to make Stefan a little more acceptable by her standards."