#AAAAA XDD

[leftdestiny-posts]

It's past midnight and I have a very busy day tomorrow, but this has been the only me-time I've gotten today so it's hard to resist staying up and reading fics/writing orz

[redrumrose]

:clover: :scissors: for Natalya the mad nurse/doctor.

🍀 What originally inspired the OC?

Originally I wanted an assistant for Pavel (it's a sort of tradition in Minutes 2 Midnight, that every mad scientist has some sort of assistant, side kick, henchman, or help), but as I developed their story a bit more, she became a mad doctor as well (and Anara became the new assistant). Also I looove that spooky yet glamourous look of old hollywood makeup and wanted a character that had that. There's something haunting yet pretty about it, and thought it was a perfect look for someone like Natalya.

And the stitches just completed her haunted look haha ^^ (it made sense too, because she's more reckless in her work then Pasha is, that she would constantly need parts replaced from experiments gone wrong)

✂️ What is one of your OC’s worst memories?

She has a few! I'd say, one was when her and Pavel had their medical licenses revoked (literally right after they officially got them pffft) xD

Another was when she was brought back from the dead the first time. It's pretty painful, confusing, and jarring to be resurrected.

Another big one I haven't revealed yet (I wanna save this one in case I make this a comic later on, after the main story that is ^^), but it's something that eats her alive with guilt.

[mimimarilynart]

@toastedbuckwheat Happy birthday my love🥰🥰

[sirserpentine]

"Husk? Who da hell is Husk? Anotha' deranged crossss-dresser?" Pentious replied, not breaking off his character even if Angel's guess surprised him. Not Arackniss enough, huh? Details, details. He had to be even more specific!

Frank returned at an opportune moment, carrying a tray of perfectly arranged cookies, crackers and grapes. "An' wat is thisss?" Pentious drilled, crouching to the egg and his display to whisper and wink to him; "Don't worry, dear, Boss is just pretending..."

He picked up a cookie and held it between two claws, looking at it from each and every angle. "I bet these ain't baked with real buttah. Like my Nonna's. Nonna would shoot ya in the arse too. Ey, why ain't there any pistachio gelato here? Dat's my fuel. Pistachio. Mmm. Pistachio gelato."

Suddenly, Pentious gasped as if Angel had grabbed the dessert of his choice. "NO STEALIN', ANGEL. IT'S MINE," he shrieked in an annoyingly high pitch, in contrast to his low, raspy complaints from before.

At this point, Frank laughed from behind the tray he had placed in front of Angel.

"Ooooahh! I know who this is!" he said, jumping up and down in excitement.

But did Angel?

Angel watched Frank and his friend scurry off, and then turned his eyes back to Pentious and watched.

What started as a funny (albeit confusing) act quickly became something that gnawed at Angel's brain, making that contented, smug little smile of his all the harder to maintain.

Pentious' character of choice was short, angry, walked fast, and appeared to be Italian-American (or Pentious' best shot at being one, anyway). It seemed like whoever it was also happened to be old-fashioned, good with a gun, and not quite caught up on what terminology was and was not okay to use in this current day and age.

Angel immediately felt like he knew who it was, but he stopped himself before he could shout it out.

How would Pentious know his older brother? This was supposed to be someone they both knew!

So, Arackniss was off the table. He scoured his mind for other names. Other people. Nobody else at the hotel was Italian, unless he was mistaken. And as for short... Alastor, Vaggie, and Charlie were all pretty average, so it wasn't them. That left Husk and Niffty. This act was nothing like Niffty, though.

Therein, with his brother still on his mind, Angel puffed out his chest with false confidence.

"Husk!" he said. "Too easy."

[factual-fantasy]

30 Asks! Thank you! :)) 🐮

I was able to replace my tablet chord and download a brand new/fresh FireAlpaca file and so far things seem to be all better. But if my problems come back then I will be drawing in traditional yes <XDD

Also thank you so much!! :DDD

Bella my NPC cat? :0 She would accept the pats :))

@artistiemi

Awwwwwww 🥹🥹 This drawing is so cute and soft 😭😭💞💞💞 Thank you! :)))

@chickenmilk120 (Referencing this post)

Yeah 😔😔 hoping they change it someday soon 🙏🙏🙏

(Link in question)

Oh yeah! Its right here :)

@sc3n3mo-t3to

XDDD Thank you!! :))))

@candyglumboy (Sent after this post)

Not a crush, he's in love! :0 And so is Pomni but neither of them really realize that/understand it and thus aren't really doing anything about it <XD

@rockandtoon

SOBBBSSS THANOYIYUUU SO MCUCHYHH 😭😭💞💞💞

@fandomcenteral

Aw! Cute kitty!! :DD

And thank you, currently I feel not the best 💀 but hopefully this next doctors appointment will give me some answers <:))

@kwaziis-eyepatch-real

Thank you! :) But also sorry, no.. I wouldn't be comfortable with my art being used as pfps <:(

Ehhh,, I wouldn't <:( That probably wouldn't sit well with me..

Thank you very much for checking first though! Not everyone does <:)))

WAHAGG THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! :DD Sucks that you found me offsite but glad you're here none the less! :)

And don't worry, you'll find stuff for Kinger XDDD

@captain-skyler1987

Hello! And are those guys from Dandy's world.? XD

I don't like what you're implying by turning Jangles into a werewolf and then putting chocolate on the table <XDDD

@natewithcake (Post in question)

AAAAA THANK YOU!! :DDDD

MEEHEHEEEEHEHEEEEEEEEE🎶

@bellanova137

Maybe they'll come out and make it official someday! :0 But for now having them be in love and trying to hide it from each other is fun to draw and mess with XDD

I feel like having a wolf centaur body would mostly just be incontinent and very uncomfortable.😅

Typically, wolves display crepuscular behavior, meaning they prefer times of low light and are most active around twilight, dawn, and dusk. Imagine how that would clash with your human body which is supposed to sleep at night and stay awake all day..

You'd have to change your diet to give both your human AND wolf half the nutrients they need. It would be MUCH harder to clean yourself and wipe your own bum. You'd have to pay loads for pet shampoo and grooming products PLUS the human ones you already use.. You'd spend hours trying to groom your fur and not damage your wolf skin when you try to clean your human skin with other products and vice versa. All clothes have to be custom made, you cant sit or walk comfortably in any public spaces.. You'd have to go to human doctors AND special vets to care for both of your halves...

The list just goes on <XDD being a wolf centaur would just suck in my opinion.

Ah sorry- nono you weren't being rude. I just forgot to comment back that I don't actually know what laptop I have 😅

@ink-machine-kidd

She probably snuck past whoever was in charge of her and put on the headset even though she was told not to😔

(Recent post) (Queenie and Kinger comic)

Oh nono, I just hadn't made everyone's ref sheets yet at that time. But different outfits is something Caine would try to manage! :0

Man you really had pirates on the mind huh XDD

Ohh, I see. I might not do that.. but I get the idea now <:D Thank you!

Vibes received 🤩 Thank you! :)))

Thank you!! :DD

Big wolf! :D

@samcat71470558

Thank you for the kind words <:))) So far it seems like the new tablet chord and downloading a fresh FireAlpaca has fixed all my problems. Hopefully it stays that way! 🙏

XD I think I just have a pattern with medias I'm into. If the story is mostly wholesome it feels bland. So I add a bunch of angst to it. (Octonauts is a good example)

Or alternatively, if the story is super angsty or has types of angst that I don't take well, (like character deaths) then I usually make a fix-it AU that brings everyone back to life and changes/removes a lot of the angst. (TADC and my Undertale AU: RefinedTale being good examples)

Also in my AU, Kaufmo hasn't abstracted. So she bonded with the other humans in other ways overtime. 👍

@wolfie-777

At first I assumed these were obviously fake. But a quick Google search shows that they seem to be real! :0 Although the peeled banana is clearly photoshopped <XDD

Ngl, a vanilla-like custard taste is exactly what I hoped/expected those bananas to taste like XDD

@theintroverse

La Chancla translated to "the flip flop".? <:0 I'm sorry but I don't understand..

Also is he based on a Pinata? :0 I hadn't realized- perhaps I will have to consider giving him some candy powers <XDD

[yumeko-shizuka]

UHHH

ok so I got tempted to pull XDD (even though I just said that the dress looks a bit off to me but aaaaa ig the more I look at it the more I got used to it???)

I used my 10 birthday gacha tickets and LUCKILY I got the top and the hair accessory and I thought I still have 3 more why not get the shoes too :D

I did NOT get the shoes.... (the other two are duplicates)

I also used gacha tickets just for 1 ten pull andddd no still no shoes.

[wololo-01]

OMG THAT SO SO WONDEFUL

[merakiui]

Hiii Mera! I know I'm a new face, but I've been kind of looking around your account for a good, like, 8 months and I don't think I've ever said anything. Just today my friend Xenia told me that they mentioned me and my heart stopped, so I came to also say that I adore your work! And YES this includes the skully content despite him not coming out on the en server XDD Anyways, I'm glad that you said hello! Maybe I might pop up more if my friend summons me? ~Coco

HIII!!! OMG OMG I remember seeing your username in my notifications!! It's so lovely to meet you!! >w< please pardon how late I am replying...... orz orz but aaaaa thank you for enjoying my work and all of the Skully stuff hehe!! He's too cute to not love! I'm eagerly anticipating the day he arrives on eng server!!!!!!

Please feel free to pop into the inbox whenever you'd like~ :D it's always open and ready to receive chit-chats!! <3 and I'm glad to be able to officially say hello directly through here. Hello, hello!!!

[self-indulgent-paw-patrol]

Hello! Just found your account it's very pawsome! What are your thoughts on Tracker?

Hiii, welcome to my smol blog, hope you like it here!! And aaaaa thank youuuu 🥰

Omg I love this little guy soooooo much!! When I first saw him, I immediately tried to guess his breed - that's something I've been doing with a couple friends on Telegram, I'm not checking the Wiki about the pups I didn't see in the show yet, so we have fun trying to guess their breeds once I see them for the first time. And then we check the Wiki to see if we guessed correctly.

We almost thought he was a Miniature Pinscher LMAO But then I was like "Hold on, he's talking a lot of Spanish." and we were like CHIHUAHUA???? The three of us fell in love instantly after that XDD

I also remember I laughed a lot when he used the cables for the first time exactly like in this gif you sent, I was like "OH MY GOD HE'S GONNA BE THE SPIDERDOG OF THE BUNCH I LOVE IT" - Spider Man is one of my top favorite superheroes, especially Miles Morales who also speaks Spanish, so YEAH XD

AND NOW I JUST HAD TO DO THIS so let's add one more verse into the Spider Verse AHAHAHAHAHA

Anyway, I find Tracker to be a very nice pup! He was very afraid in the beginning, and I feel him so much on the "I hear little noises most people won't hear and it drives me crazy/scared". I too have this condition where that "snail shaped" thing inside my ears is a bit more straight than curled around and that makes me hear more/louder than usual people because the sound hits straight inside the ear instead of ricocheting around before that. I can hear phones recharging in a different room than the one I'm at and that's just one example. It was nice to see him becoming braver after joining the team and living with Carlos.

On a sidenote, it's funny when he speaks Spanish because, as I'm Brazilian, I'm watching the show in Brazilian Portuguese, and the Spanish language sounds a bit like ours, so sometimes it's like he's just repeating himself, like when he says his catchphrase first in Portuguese and then in Spanish "Sou todo ouvidos! Soy todo oídos!" I guess it must sound better when he mixes Spanish with dialogues in English XD

[mechanichuntsman]

yeah nah, I ain't gonna try to fix it

omw to fuck up my l4d2 models just to make my special infected visible

[redrumrose]

I tell you, being in this weird limbo of 'I wanna tell everyone EVERYTHING about my story/ocs' and 'WAIT, no I can't cause that would ruin/spoil the whole story' or 'I gotta save stuff for the actual comic' is ABSOLUTE TORTURE xDD I'm writhing AAAAA

[astriel-nya]

Now that I finished the game I wanted to just post some highlights of the journey of Vibrance Von Valancius!!!

Idira being the fucking SAVAGE she is about Heinrix and yes I think I did become his Mistress xDD then errr became Marazhai's pet?

ASDGFASDHG thIS IS A COMPLICATED RELATIONSHIP!!!

My gay ass was shut down by Cassia and she complimented my shouLDERS?? :'DDD I love her smmm forever my besty and the only one that got a truly good ending

i WILL NEVER NOT SWOON AT THIS MAN!!!!!!!!

duDE I WAS HITTING ON THIS MAN LIKE IT WAS FUCKIGN WACKAMOLE :'DDD

I can hear the typing of a mILLION FANFICS IN THE DISTANCE :'DD

I was such a FUCKING DICK to the footfall people holy shit

I think I just a a fUCKing thing for interrogators??! Pasqal, Heinrix, Marazhai and ohh yeah my dakest moment was being kidnapped and tortured, my girl got traUMA :')))

Heinrix dispensing a RARE W in my playthrough :'DDDD

Did I go onto romance Yrliet after condemning her planet to Slannesh? yES :'DDD

Yrliet saying Kunrad had a crush on me hAS ME CRAVING A ROMANCE MOD!!!

>>>///////////<< pasQAL AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Pasqal liTERALLY HAS MY FUCKIGN HEART IN A DEATHGRIP :'DDDDD

This poor fuCKING GUY JUST CANNOT CATCH A BREAK :'DD I wonder if he just reports all the batshit stuff I do to the Inquisition

pOOR ABELARD CANNOT CATCH A FUCKING BREAKK!!!

pAPA PASQAL I CONVERTTTT!!!!!!! UR TOO WHOLESOME

oKAY BUT THIS WHOLE INTERACTION HIT SO DIFFERENT AFTER YOU LEARN ABOUT HIS TRAUMA AND HOW HE GREW HIS EYE BACK ETC??? LIKE NO SHIT HE WANTS TO KEEP HIS LIMBS AAA

MY BOYS HEINRIX AND ABELARD WITH ME ON DARGONUS!!! :DDD

aHH YES ME PICKING HEINRIX TOTALLY DISCOUNTS ALL THE ACTS OF HERSEY I COMMITED!!!

PAPA ABELARD IS SUCH A GOAT I LOVE HIMMMMM

fiRST KISS WITH HEINRIX AFTER HE WARNS YOU ABOUT CALCAZAR EVEN THOUGH HE CAN'T REALLY!?!?! SO FUCKING ROMANTIC THE STRUGGLE BETWEEN DUTY AND DESIRE AAAAA

aCTUAL TSUNDERE I LOVE HIM!!!!!!

BOTH MARAZHAI AND HEINRIX APPEARING IN MY FUCKING DREAMS IS SUCH A MOOD AHAGHAGHAGH

duDE THE SITUATIONSHIP IS REALLLLL!!!!!

PICKING GODAMN DUTY OVER ME AAAAAAAAAAAAA

asdghfasdgJASDGJASDGHJ LET ME ROMANCE HIM AAAAA

[joonie-beanie]

Re: Roommates Fic

okay I'm not pushing u to write anything—I know how that feels TTT

but I just wanted to say

Roommates is absolutely one of my fav fics of all time, and I only have a handful of those xD It's so prettily written, and like the tension??? the DRAMA???? it's impeccable and just *chef's kiss*

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

And the latest chapter on Ao3? daaaaaamn

okay but I vibe with Venti so much xDD Being there for the tea is such a mood xDDD The situation is just so J u i c y I cant even—

AAAAA thank uuuuu 🥹🥹

Venti is such a mood he just wants all the tea

[ka-shi-kat]

Holap. Compartiendo aquí un dibujito que hice para @zoanluen de su sona

Allá por abril encontré el arte de Zoan por estos hilos de twt que se habían vuelto medio viralillos en los que salía el pingüino este del cual no recuerdo su nombre diciendo qud mostraras un dibujo de equis cosa y justo estaban unos dibujos de sus gijinkas del Hollow Knight y yo lo vi y al instante dije: waos

Es que tiene un nivel tan AAAAA e incluso en bocetos todo se ve tan hermoso y yo estaba tan maravillada cuando vi su arte (aún sigo maravillada ajevakd) me puse a ver todo lo que me salía en el twt del teléfono (pq en el twt de cel no me salen todos los post, solo algunos) y dije mANOOOOOO

Yo tengo un proyecto con mis gijinkas del Ori, y ver algo tan precioso con gijinkas de otro juego que me encanta fue una gran motivación para mí, encontré a Zoan en uno de los momentos en los que me sentía muy vulnerable y estaba reconsiderando seriamente si continuar con el arte, no me veía futuro. Venía de un concurso que me dejó el estima en mi arte destrozada, final de periodo en la escuela, meses antes de mi examen de admisión y me sentía tan mal en general. Siempre consideré como objetivo que mi arte llegase a la calidad de los Splash arts de LoL pero de un tiempo a entonces esa motivación se fue por completo. Ya no tenía motivos

Cuando vi el arte de Zoan genuinamente encontré esa motivación de nuevo, algo que seguir, una inspiración de verdad. Lo poquito que he convivido con ella me hizo darme cuenta que además de ser un excelente artista también es buena persona y AAAA mano-

En general me emocioné con esta cosa de narrar que onda xdd pero debo decir que gracias a Zoan le sigo echando ganas al arte y quiero seguir haciéndolo, quizá pueda verme muy intensa, lo sé pero es que me siento así y ando muy emocional xddddd perdonen lo espanta personas

[factual-fantasy]

24 Asks! Thank you! :}} 🐷

I don't think I'm understanding.. I cant turn my FNAF AU designs into full on OCs, (Original Characters) because.. well Freddy Fazbear and the gang are NOT my original characters. I just made my own AU (Alternate Universe) for them and redesigned them.

Unless that's not what you meant..? I'm sorry for misunderstanding you if that's the case <:(

(In response to this post)

I'm keeping it in mind.. I gotta get to the root of the problem and figure out what needs to be replaced. Once I can figure that out I'll probably set one up 🥹🙏🙏

Well imagine if you were in his shoes. You are transported to some kind of unknown world. And absolutely no one arounds you speaks the same language as you.

Sneep has no way of knowing this is a digital plane. He has no idea if the people around him are real or not, he cant remember his name and no one can explain to him why that is. His body looks different, he feels different, no one around him looks to be a human.. just imagine how scary that is. Not having the comfort of things being explained to you in this situation. Not having the comfort of someone telling you "everything will be okay".

Yeah, I'd lose my mind pretty quick too 💀

@ardent-38

XD No worries! And yeah I started playing Warframe for the first time these past few days. Its been fun so far, Mag being my favorite. (She's the only frame I have <XDD)

I have my eyes out for Titania Prime, Trinity Prime, Mag prime and Mirage Prime. I'm thinking Titania might be my new favorite if I can snag one!

This game is fun, but the longer I play it? The more I miss OG Overwatch 😅 I tried playing TF2 again today and it just isn't the same 😔💔

@chromchill

I am new, but my favorite frame so far is Mag, because she's the only one I have <XDD

But I've got my eyes out for Titania Prime.. and judging by her abilities, she might just become my new favorite 👀👀

@chickenmilk120

What I really would like is just more interactions and comments with my artwork <:( I get bummed when I put a lot of effort into something only to get 3 comments in the end...

I have not <:(( but I've heard many good things about those games! :00

AAAAA THANK YOU SO MUCH!! :DDD That's all very kind of you to say! :}}

And as for Cici and Gerald, you can find their origin comic here! :00

@lordvonbunnyv

Yes please 🥺🥺🙏🙏🙏

@quillsinkwell

Awe! :DD Thank you! They did have a certain charm to them didn't they? :}}

They would have been much better off drawing that mattress character I swear XDD

@neo-metalscottic (Referencing this post)

Hello! So far my tablet is still alive. Although I'm looking into getting my laptop checked out and maybe replacing somethings... 😔

And it was fun to draw Bibi again! I should really draw the fam more often <XD

Not sure what resolutions they'd have.. but one of mine is to be cured of this condition. Or at least get to a point where I can actually function normally again. There's a lot of things planned for 2025 and if I don't get better soon? I'm gonna miss out on all of it. 💔

Yeah, my head just used to be a normal scribble. But now its become a full on blob hasn't it? <XD

There's 2 reasons for this. 1 being that I have been battling some very limiting health conditions for about 8 months now. So drawing my sona all goopy and sickly is to represent how I've felt through this trial 🥲🥲

But the second reason isn't so bad. That being that its just fun to draw my sona like that XD

@bored-animator

Indeed I have! Deltarune too! Just search up "undertale or "deltarune" in my blogs search bar and you're sure to find a lot of it! :))

Thank you so much!! :DD And sure! Send me any game recommendations you'd like! :}}}

@ramiel-hourglass

Thank you so much! :DD But no need to go to the dumpster! <:(( I'll make you something to eat instead, yeah? :)

I use FireAlpaca. And I used to use the pencil brush for line art and the pen for coloring. But lately I've been using the little pixel brush for sketching and line art :00

(This thingy 👇)

I saw it, and I don't really know how to feel about the blue shelled Koopa.. it feels kinda weird to see a Mario kart item brought to life suddenly 😅

I gotta think of stuff to do wither her... 😓😓

First thing that came to mind was Roxanne from FNAF: Security Breach <XDD

@howaboutsomeketchul

Idk how they would celebrate Christmas, since they might not have a good way to gauge the passage of time..

Just search "team fortress 2" in my blogs search bar and you're sure to find most of it! :)

While I see what you're cooking, I don't think my Caine would create a Momigoo NPC for the fast food adventure <:/

The thing that upsets Gummigoo isn't just that his mom isn't real necessarily, its that his memories of her aren't real too. He remembers all these experiences with this person but the memories aren't real...

And the whole reason why Caine let the brothers stay was because he hoped it would help Pomni adjust to the circus. Just like Bella did for Gangle. Bringing up NPCs or things from the Gators adventure could upset or confuse them so Caine wouldn't want to risk it. <:(

@wolfie-777

Merry Christmas and a Happy new year! :DD Sorry for the late reply <XD

@cartoon-fan

Oh I get a lot stolen from those other fandoms too. Octonauts has just been the most frustrating. Constant tracings, theft, copycats, disrespect, its was nuts.

I don't think I'll post Octonauts again anytime soon. I've just had enough of the constant pushing of my boundaries and the boat loads of all kinds of theft.

[moodbroads]

gettin used to tumblr so i may mess up- mini intro (feel free to ask questions!): hihi! u can call me nine/sketch/mikko/milo/whatever u wanna call me (yes even mcquackthedumbestofseven)

i go any/all pronouns!

ive been an elk (wapiti) therian for about 6ish years i think? idk i dont remember when i awakened i wasnt as online as much as i am now- i have been questioning some sort of other kintype though

i love vulture culture and have a few bones i found myself!

im into wings of fire, watership down, helluva boss/hazbin Hotel, warriors (duh lmao), worldbuilding in general tbh, speculative biology, nostalgic things, red dead and harry potter! (i prob have more but rn im running at 2 hours of sleep)

i are the pro in bad grammar B)

games i like rn (changes alot-): clangen, wolfquest, spore, red dead 2, planet zoo and hogwarts legacy lolol

roblox games i like rn XD: lake territory reborn, skyven, canine odyssey, a lions pride, wild horse islands, prehistoria, catalog avatar creator and creatures of sonaria!

small fun facts:

i wanna film animals/photograph them one day!

im on the autism spectrum and hypersexual but i dont like to mention it often due to my mental stuff being well- my mental stuff

i get way too many ideas in my head xdd

im very much queer and wanting to try everything in the book cuz like WOMEN YESSS but also MEN YESSS but also PEOPLE NOOOO soooo-

THERES A BIRD JUST CALLED BRANT..THATS IT..WHY BRANT?!?

i have 2 dogs! :)

dni: basically nobody cuz like..you can just lie or scroll on..its the internet do ya boogers not know what your on rn-

(AAAAA SORRY BIG TEXT WALL COMIN IN I JUST ACTUALLY WANTED TO GET A DNI IN) actual dni if people care: fictionkin-explained in a post factkin-explained in a post terfs or any kind of that shit (im lookin at you homophobes, cuz most are terfs too) jk rowling supporters (just the person and what they did, not the community/harry potter itself) anti-alterhuman, pro 'p-shifters' or 'p-shifters' art critiquers (WITHOUT PERMISSON) sexualizers of basically anything, no i dont wanna 'hear you out' that is a dog on 2 legs with an obvious dog dong hanging out-get help pro-PETA (vegans, vegetarians, pescatarians and animal cruelty people that are ACTUALLY HELPING are totally fine- love yall <3) pedos pedos and more pedos im gen z, i basically grew up on the internet, i know your intentions so no, fuck you who are you even tryna trick- not even 2 year olds can read your creepy ass pm cuz its all like 'hEy 11M wAnNa ShArE NUdS' like who even says 'numbergender' anymore other then omegle users (rip omegle but also horray cuz that site was horrid)