#7x14 the girl in the tower

[dinneratgrannys]

ONCE UPON A TIME 7.14, The Girl in the Tower

[likehandlingroses]

OUAT Rewatch 7x14 - The Girl in the Tower

My papa used to say all the best people were mad. He'd say, 'Starfish, you meet loads of people in this world. But the best ones? They'll challenge you. Make you see the world through a whole new looking glass.'

[priscilla9993]

No, but like tell me why in the Girl in the Tower episode (7x14), we see Alice presumably at 3 stages of her life on her birthday, feeling a culmination of loneliness and confusion before being supported and excited?

Writers really said angst but you’re gonna fall in love and root for her as the pieces fit into place, bonus with the birthdays, people who she loves and vice versa, and multiple curses shenanigans.

[kmze]

Did Dr*es ship KC because she actually liked it or did she simply capitalise on its instant popularity and see it from the POV of pilot Caroline who wanted to be picked/desired by a guy which,predominantly,is the exact same sentiment of most Caroline/KC stans?Although Caroline wanted to be desired by someone SHE wanted in the pilot and not just anyone but caroline's voice was always ignored by fans and writers alike.And it was evident in the KC narrative.Klaus relentlessly pursued Caroline to the point that it turned into an obsession, self-indulgent,one-sided and violent until Caroline succumbed to his various pressure points:physically,emotionally and psychologically in 5×11 but refused to take ,whatever they had, any further.(Ironically it was her who said Caroline is madly in love with Stefan and has been in love with him for a while.)Candice had once said that in Caroline's mind Klaus,the bad boy,could chase her till the sun came up but the Caroline she had grown into wouldn't budge.And I think Plec touched upon that in TO finale when Caroline told Klaus that the chase was what made it more fun.I think she was never going to let KC be a legit relation probably because she never let SC go.That woman probably secretly writes SC marriage diaries during her free time.She even called KC " our inner fan girl fantasy" at a convention.

Oh no Anon I think she truly likes KC outside of anything to do with what the fans want, I don't think she actually cares what fans want she just likes to lie in interviews to gas people up and fool them. I think she likes KC for the same reason she like SK, Klaus and Katherine are the ultimate pursers of Caroline and Stefan and it's mostly about wearing them down until they get their love confession. That's why like you said above they had a lot of similarities in S5, plus Dries wrote some of KC greatest hits like 3x14, 4x23 and 7x14. TBH I think Dries can just be flat out full of shit in a lot of things she says so I really don't take what she says in interviews seriously at all, the way she spun S7 at SDCC was some next level bullshit.

I think Julie more than any other writer has some enthusiasm for every ship and tries to give everyone something (unless of course it’s Bonnie). She's also more open to catering to the fans if she wants to, like the DE rain kiss or the June wedding mentions in S8 (like I think she played it up because fans were so excited at SDCC). I think that's exactly how Plec saw it re: KC, because there was nothing stopping her from making KC endgame on TO besides simply not wanting to. She also made it that Caroline didn't kiss Klaus when they were in Mystic Falls and instead he got a good-bye kiss in NOLA which was not as strong IMO. I still think the clock tower was about Caroline remembering Stefan because JP released the "Mrs. Forbes-Salvatore" scene the day of TO's S4 finale. Just the way she talks about SC makes me think she likes them the most of all the ships, and maybe if she got a S5 for Legacies with Candice actually appearing we would have got more mentions. When the Legacies musical aired I noticed she liked the tweet below and she hardly ever likes anything that shipper-y (yes I know she was tagged but that just means she saw it easier). She also tweeted “happy tears” about the Steroline proposal episode you could tell she loved it too.

[piracytheorist]

GUYS GUYS GUYS

I recently got access to Disney plus and I just remembered OUAT is in it

So I'm looking through the episode titles and descriptions in Greek and... shit they're bad.

1x8 "The Price of Gold", the title was translated into "The Prince of Gold" for some reason.

The thumbnail for 8 "Desperate Souls" is this??

Did they mistake thumbnails with OUATIW?? XD

For episode 1x17 "Hat Trick" there's no direct translation in Greek, so instead they named the episode "The Mad Hatter". But then they named 2x11 "The Outsider" as "Yaoguai" because I guess that appears there.

BIG CRINGE they translated 3x17 "The Jolly Roger" as "The Pirate Flag" because yes that is what jolly roger means but it refers to Hook's ship jfc

I should have been the one to translate the titles agdsafddhgx

The description for 3x19 is "Zelena threatens to kill Henry if Hook doesn't kiss Emma" and while it's accurate, it feels so funny to just read this as a description for the entire episode agdsghafdsg

Is this what the episode descriptions are in English too? Cause for 3x20 "Kansas" the description is "Mary Margaret is about to give birth" and that's even funnier XD

4x03 "Rocky Road" is "Dangerous Road" because we don't have that ice cream flavour in Greece -_-

The description for 4x04 "The Apprentice" is "Hook asks Gold to stick his hand back" but the verb used is like... the verb we use for welding metal and idk it looked weird XD

The description for 4x12 "Heroes and Villains" is "Our heroes try to unite the pieces" and I'm like WHAT. WHAT PIECES??

Seriously, I would have done a much better job.

The description for 4x16 "Poor Unfortunate Soul" is "Gold and the Queens of Darkness torture August"??? Like yes they do but that isn't the focus of the episode??

Description for 4x21 "Mother" is "Regina doesn't trust her mother's intentions" and I'm like did they mix Lily's and Regina's names XD

They didn't do the "scary dragon bitch" justice in the translation -_- My Disappointment Is Immeasurable And My Day Is Ruined

5x01 "The Dark Swan" is "The Black Swan" for some reason?? The word we have for "Dark" would have worked, but okay...

The rest of the thumbnails are good, though I guess those were not handled by the translators.

There's something about seeing this screenshot with the title for "Swan Song" in Greek. It's been nearly eight years and this storyline still pulls at my heartstrings.

5x13 "Labour of Love" is supposed to be connected to Hercules' Labours, but they didn't use the word for that that we use in Greek. It's still a correct word for "labour" but it should have been the word we use for Hercules' Labours. Again! I would've done a better job!

5x18 "Ruby Slippers" is translated as "The Kiss of True Love"??? Like I know the English title was a play-for-words for the Ruby/Dorothy ship but come on!!

6x12 "Murder Most Foul" is translated as "The Real Murderer" and the description says "Regina helps Robin adjust to Storybrooke" and again. Yes that happens there. BUT IT'S NOT THE FUCKING FOCUS.

For three episodes straight, 6x15, 6x16 and 6x17 the descriptions are about what Hook does. "Hook is trapped in another realm with the Nautilus", "Hook bets his most prized possession in a cards game", "Hook and Tiger Lily join forces against the Lost Boys". Like yes that happens but again not the focus?? Was a Hook fan responsible for that because I kinda relate lmao that's all I remember too 🤝

7x14 "The Girl in the Tower" has the description "Ivy tries to reconcile with Anastasia" and I'm like what?? Did they mix things up? And even if that happened in that episode, IT'S NOT THE FOCUS.

Massive disappointment. I should have been hired to write episode descriptions. Hmph.

[wicked-storybrooke]

[intothewickedwood]

Once Upon A Time Rewatch: 7x14 The Girl in the Tower

Wahoo! It’s my favourite episode of s7! I remember being so excited for this one to come out. 

And I love that this is the 14th episode of the season and is about a tower like ‘3x14 The Tower’, which is probably my favourite episode of S3.

Poor Alice only has her toys to talk to. And that’s been the case for around 7 years. Must have felt so isolating. She’s such an optimist though.

The fact that she has the characters from Alice and Wonderland at her party makes me feel more certain about my theory that Wonderland II was a place she would mentally go to to escape the tower and due to her wish magic it became real. So, in other words, I think she created that realm.

She must have been so terrified when the tower started to shake because she has absolutely no escape. If the tower collapsed she’d still be trapped inside.No wonder Killian was so devastated when he learned the tower was in ruins.

She’s freeeeee!

Rogers is so desperate to help Tilly, bless him.

Curious Archer’s first meeting! 

Chill, Robin, my girl. 

Oh okay. Alice got out the tower years ago. I’m gonna say two years, because, like I’ve said before, the older you make Alice when working out the timeline, the older you make Ella. She’s like 14 years older and if you add too many years it starts to become implausible that Ella could be that old.

Regina just casually giving her sister a kiss is so sweet.

Did they have hot cocoa in the New Enchanted Forest? 

The New Enchanted Forest really needed a name of it’s own. I think they call it the ‘Magical Forest’ in the introduction to the season but it needed a more official name like Misthaven.

Tilly must have literally just past Ivy as she left Henry’s apartment! They’re ex-girlfriends and you can’t take that away from me! Just one interaction is all I ask! Why couldn’t we have got one interaction with them?! They were so so close! That was the perfect opportunity!

Tilly looks like she’s been crying, bless her.

I believe the troll’s behaviour reflects how Alice is feeling inside. She’s keeping all her emotions about being trapped for so many years and feeling incredibly lonely buried deep inside until finally she breaks down at the tower with Robin.  

Don’t call her crazy!

Rogers tucking in Tilly will be the death of me.

Ah. Tilly said once she saw Eloise Gardener something happened to her mind. It sounds like Eloise put her in a trance through the security camera. Or, I suppose she could have gone looking for Tilly afterwards and erased Tilly’s memories of the encounter.

Having your mind feel like 2 jigsaw puzzles in one box sounds terrifying like it’d make everything so confusing. It sounds almost like being in a dream and nothing makes sense but while your there it somehow does, except she’s awake.

I haven’t sat upside down for a while. It’s a nice feeling seeing things from a different perspective. I might try it later.

She picked up the Robin Hood book! 

Alice: “He’s just scared and confused and he’s all alone!” That’s how Alice must feel. I just wanna hug her!

Alice must feel awful being locked up again.

How is that phone still charged? I guess Zelena could have enchanted it for her. Does it have wifi?

Robin stroking Alice’s face will be the death of me.

They’re so cute.

Robin, no! You can’t leave Alice there! 

Shadow Queen are adorable too but in a different way. All the otps today! 

Zelena followed Regina lol.

Ngl. I kinda like the idea of Zelena x Facilier as well. 

Why doesn’t Regina just phone Lucy? 

Tilly: “What if- what if I don’t exist at all?” Oh my God, that’s heartbreaking. And she really considers that possibility. Ugggh! My soul! 

Bless her, she loves her food.

Clayton is the worst. I wonder if he’s based on Clayton from Tarzan. They’re both hunters.

Love Robin coming to Alice’s defence! No one talks to her girl like that!

Robin pulling the arrow and saying, “Did you not hear me? I said leave her alone!” I’m dead. And Alice’s little smile.

Them holding hands when they’re frightened! I am no longer alive!!

Alice probably thinks it’s completely normal that her wishes just seem to come true. 

“Sometimes I believe in as many as six impossible things before breakfast.” Love that Alice in Wonderland quote!

Oh. She is trying to phone Lucy.

Oh my God. Poor Tilly finding those hair clippings in her bag and not remembering anything. She must be beyond scared. That’s horrible. She’s probably feeling sick. I’ve never found any hair clippings in my bag but I’ve had bad autistic meltdowns where I can’t remember what happened afterwards. Then I’ll find out and be like, “Jesus Christ. Wtf me?!” It’s terrifying.

I’m glad Robin realised that protecting people who need it is more important than seeking glory.

Find someone who looks at you the way Robin looks at Alice.

Robin looking at Alice when they reach the tower and facing the reality of what Alice must have went through. You can see it hit her.

The first 17 years of her life. Wow.

Alice: “I hate this place. I hate its stupid stones... and its stupid turret and its dumb... mossy base. And I hate... I hate that all I've wanted to do since I left is come back. At least when I was trapped, I could have hope that when I got free, everything would be okay. But then I did. And it wasn't.” Robin: “Hey, hey. It's okay...” Alice: “No, no, it's not okay. Who in their right mind wants to be a prisoner?! I've escaped these walls... but I'm still bloody trapped. I'll never be free of it, will I?” Gaaah! This scene always makes me cry! It makes you stop and think about the psychological and emotional effects Alice’s situation would have on her. It’s heartbreaking!

Robin can sense Alice has magic. Evidence of her still having magic! No one’s taking this headcanon away from me! 

Aww I forgot it was her birthday. 

Alice: “…I didn’t wanna be Alone.” Robin: “You’re not alone. I’m here.” Just take my whole soul dammit!

I always get confused. Is that Emma’s car or a replica?

“I've been so many places since we saw each other last. It's curiouser and madder and sadder... and so much more wonderful out here than I ever imagined it could be. So thank you. You don't have to worry about me anymore. 'Cause I'm okay. I promise. I think, after all this time... I'm finally... Gosh, it's such a big, beautiful world, isn't it? Free.” I can’t!! I just wanna hug her! 

Robin comforting her!!

Oh my God! Thank you so much Margot for saving my bby from getting hit by a freaking car! Holy Christ!

Gothel was probably in that car. Or Hansel.

Margot looks so adorable in her little hat and glasses.

I love Margot’s introduction here. 

She’s reading Alice in Wonderland! I headcanon that was always Robin’s favourite book.

Her troll friend saved her. That little friendship between Alice and the troll is so heartwarming.

Facilier’s honesty is so intriguing to me. Usually villains lie to keep those they love but he tells her everything and lets her choose what to do with that information. It’s refreshing and a fun dynamic. 

Do you think Regina ever found romantic love after s7? I kinda like that she didn’t but at the same time I would have loved for them to go back to there own time, just before Facilier was killed. I’m curious about other Oncer’s thoughts on Regina’s love life post-s7, though.

Where’d robin get the cake from? I guess Alice could have conjured it.

I wonder what Alice wished for this time. To spend more time with Robin?

Every birthday when Alice makes a wish Killian and Robin just have to hope she hasn’t got really into, like, Frozen or something and that she doesn’t accidentally wish for an eternal winter and giant ice castle beside Granny’s.

Margot hugging her mama! All I ever wanted since s5!

Rogers asking Tilly to stay with him!! Papa and daughter bonding time! He can’t let anything happen to her and the killer’s already broken into her shipping container. He’d never forgive himself if they got her.

She’s so happy and she doesn’t have to be alone anymore. Someone sees her. The same person who’s always seen her when no one else could.

[onceuponaseriesrewatch]

Join us this Sunday, April 5 at 9:00 pm EST for 7x14 The Girl in the Tower!

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[theforestofthenight]

"So... what did you wish for?" "You know that's not how it works. But I've got a good feeling about this one.

[whimsicallyenchantedrose]

Keeping Vigil

Pairing(s): Knight Rook, with a touch of Captain Cobra

Summary:  Deleted scene drabble from 7x14.  After bringing Tilly to Henry’s place, Rogers decides to stay and watch over her as she sleeps.

Rating:  G

Word count: ~600

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Rogers looked down at Tilly curled up on Henry’s couch.  She looked so small, so young, relaxed in sleep as she was.  Snatching her jacket from the coffee table where she’d tossed it when they first arrived an hour ago, he draped it gently over her.  Wouldn’t want the lass to catch a chill on top of everything else.

My fault.

This whole predicament was his fault.  If he’d just listened to her when she tried to warn him earlier today, he wouldn’t have been duped by Eloise Gardner.  He’d never have fallen prey to her bloody wild goose chase, and Tilly wouldn’t be wanted for murder.

“Look, I need to turn in for the night,” Henry said from behind him, “but you’re welcome to stay as long as you want.  Even crash here if it would make you feel better.”

Rogers flashed Henry a grateful smile.  “Many thanks, lad.  Something about this whole situation feels off, and it would ease my mind the be sure Tilly’s protected.”

Henry nodded, turning toward his bedroom.  Just before he reached the door, he turned around again.  “We’re going to succeed, you know,” Henry said firmly.  “We are going to find a way to clear Tilly’s name and find the real killer.”

“I dearly hope you’re right.”

“I am,” Henry said with a grin.

Henry turned around, stepped into his bedroom and slowly closed the door.

The truest believer.

Rogers didn’t know why he felt the title fit Henry so well, but it did.  His belief was infectious, and Rogers felt his anxiety ease for the first time since finding the blind baker’s body.  Somehow, some way he would succeed in clearing Tilly.

She’d been locked away for far too long.  He would be damned before he let it happen again.  He would see her set free if it cost him his badge, if it cost him his own freedom, even if it cost him his revenge.

My…what?!

Rogers closed his eyes, pinching the bridge of his nose.  It had been an entirely too long day, and his fatigue was messing with his head. Tilly had never been “locked” away, and he sure as hell had never pursued revenge.

The most unsettling feeling of déjà vu settled over him as an image popped into his head.  Tilly, far younger and wearing a dress and pinafore stood in a tower of some sort, an easel before her.  She put the finishing touches on a portrait of a ship tossed amid a stormy sea.  Though the room seemed cozy, she looked sad.

“Alice, I will get you out of this tower.”

Rogers collapsed in the chair opposite Henry’s couch. Alice?! Perhaps he was going mad.

“The best people are mad.  The best people are the ones who challenge you.”

He ought to return home, get some sleep, come back refreshed in the morning to renew his efforts to save Tilly, but looking at her there on the couch, he couldn’t leave.

The fact was, ever since Tilly had become his informant, he’d had the oddest feeling that his life was a lie. Nothing in this whole bloody city felt real somehow.  Nothing but her.  A warm, almost paternal, instinct rose up in him as he looked over that the sleeping young woman.

“I’ll prove you innocent, Tilly,” his whispered, “I promise you that.  Until then, sleep.  I’ll be here keeping vigil.”

 Tagging my hangout peeps, some KR fans and the people involved in the conversation last night: @kmomof4 @linda8084 @golfgirl @captain-swan-coffee @deathbycaptainswan  @laughswaytoomuch @killiarious @hookedmom @allyourdarlingswans @love-with-you-i-have-everything @hellomommanerd @flipperbrain @snowbellewells @laschatzi @thesschesthair @queenmabsrevenge @killianmesmalls @bleebug @spartanguard @theonceoverthinker @courtorderedcake @hollyethecurious @winterbaby89 @fraddit @actualhobbitgirl @ussjellyfish

[boldlyshamlessfangirl]

[dinneratgrannys]

ONCE UPON A TIME 7.14, The Girl in the Tower

[captainswanoncerlife]

OUAT 7X14 Thoughts

I loved this episode a lot. It’s definitely one of my favorites this season. I love that Alice and Robin’s meeting was in line with other True Love couples. I think that Rose and Tiera have a lot of chemistry and this episode really showcased it. Alice’s escape from the tower was not what I expected, but I like that she was able to free herself by magically creating a troll. I really liked that Alice and Robin started off on opposing sides, but came together at the end. I love that Robin mentioned she stole Emma’s Bug for eight whole minutes. One of my favorite parts of the episode was when they were surrounded by the troll hunters, needing an escape and Emma’s Yellow Bug magically appeared and scattered the hunters. The Bug appearing was due to Alice most likely wishing for a way to escape. If she was able to turn a non-magical item into a magical one (since it was driving itself) and transport it to her by just wanting it to happen, she must be extremely powerful, say the Guardian powerful? Alice was able to talk down the troll from ransacking the forest and he turned into the troll statue she hangs out by in Hyperion Heights. And since the troll was holding, Emma’s bug, it is know a statue as well. Which means Emma doesn’t have her bug anymore because it disappeared. I really hope that when the curse breaks, the Bug becomes an actual car again and Emma can get it back. And speaking of Emma and her bug, Robin showed Alice a picture of it and a blonde-haired women (how does her phone work?). I’m not sure if the person in the photo was Emma since her clothes don’t seem to be what Emma would wear, but it was the right shade of blonde and it is her car, so maybe it is her.

I also loved the Hyperion Heights part of the episode. I thought it was great that Rogers invested Henry’s help in proving Tilly’s innocence. I loved the parallels between Alice knowing everyone in Hyperion Heights, but no one knowing her and being free, but still feeling trapped in the NEF. I also liked that Tilly started to read Robin Hood when she found a sticker from Hyperion Heights grocery. She then went looking for an alibi, but no one remembered her being there. She did, however, find her backpack in a dumpster after Henry pulled her off the sidewalk and into an alley. Eloise or whoever’s setting her up put the locks of hair in her backpack. I thought Tilly meeting Margot (cursed Robin) was great. I really loved that Rogers invited Tilly to stay with him.

In the side plot, Lucy investigated Facilier’s apartment, while Regina went on a not so pretend date with him. I don’t really feel that Regina and Facilier work well as a potential pairing, but we’ve only seen two episodes of them so my opinion might change. The fact that Facilier wants the Dark One Dagger is not helping matters. But why does he want it? Presumably for its power, but why does he need the power of the Dark One? Does he want to become the Dark One? 

[elleryjo]

*lays on floor*

*sighs*

I knew this was going to come down to the misinterpretation of tarot cards

[queenofglassbeliever]

[priscilla9993]

Right now, I could use a bit of hope as I’m in an unstable part of my life where nothing seems to be going right, where everything good comes too late, and it’s that time of night that I can’t stop thinking about the what ifs and buts. It’s been long enough where I rewatched another scene from “The Girl in the Tower” (an episode that keeps on giving years after airing) and came back with more, the idea to stick to my guns and that Margot had something going on with what she said below, whereas I remember other plot points like the Troll’s security camera eye, romance, or Margot’s “Yeah kinda. But all the best people are” line when Tilly’s sad and feeling ‘crazy’.

You know those lines of advice that Margot says after she saves Tilly from getting hit by a car and sees how lost Tilly feels, enough to not have watched where she was going or being self deprecating? That’s what I’m going on about.

“You’re running away.” It’s not a question, running away... of intrigue, confusion, or judgment. It’s a statement, a deduction Margot makes, having recognized all the signs that she once saw of herself in Tilly; doubt, fear, and hope that a new place would take all the troubles of the past away. Sure, she might not have ran away from Hyperion Heights due to being the most likely suspect of a murder case, but heck, no way was she gonna let someone else make the same mistake.

Especially not since she just came back from Tibet, where people religiously tell their hopes, prayers, and dreams to statues for good luck and blessings upon themselves and others. Of course Margot would take someone “saying goodbye” while talking to a statue like a friend seriously. She tells Tilly straight out, three words with a face full of regret, “I tried that.” 

I think this regret come from the fact that on a moment’s notice, Margot booked a ticket so that she could come back as soon as possible, from the other side of the world after so much time away, just because her mom, Kelly, called saying she’s had a “big change'' and loved her. For all she knew, Margot left on bad terms with her mom being angry at her for wanting to explore the world, discover herself, and be a little rebellious, considering she ended up working at the bar, instead of going to college at Vassar first. The curse may have left Robin with cursed memories that paralleled what could have been if Zelena and Robin never made up or made room for one another, but Margot probably felt a genuine pull to return, wanting closure, change, the idea that if they both put in the effort to understand and reconnect with one another, it wouldn’t be so bad.

Running away didn’t diminish the problems or still the regrets, but rather it just lingered once the distractions faded. Similarly to how Alice came back to the tower, where all her problems and past were untouched, bringing a raw desire for everything to be bandaged and okay, after having gone anywhere but, Margot tried to go as far as she could before she was reminded of home.  

As if giving advice to a best friend rather than a stranger, she admits to Tilly, “You know what I found out? Sometimes you just have to look up and face your problems.” Having finally come back to Hyperion Heights, knowledge of the lived outcome in her bones, her words have maturity etched in them. It’s not wrong to run away when things get overwhelming, but the way I took it was, that sometimes when possible, it takes strength, patience, and courage to come back to or stand your ground in a difficult situation, with complex things that can’t be fixed with a simple solution. 

Margot implies that things will get better if they can get through the rough patches first rather than waiting and being riddled with the psychological toll it takes to be reminded of what’s being put off. It’s the same obstacle either way, but with time, people change and leaving something without resolution only makes it harder to move on. Sure, although Tilly was found to be innocent due to her literally looking up at the Troll with a security camera installed and Margot did eventually give her mom a second chance to tell the truth in her own time, the two had to face their problems head first and their happiness followed from there.