#6x08: the other guys

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The Dragon Prince Thoughts 6x08 - We All Fall Down

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Omgg i’m so scared—

AHH

And it starts

Omg sol regem banging into the towers and stuff too this is wild

OH NO THEY’RE TRAPPED

Shit—

OH SHIT

SOREN NO—

Plsbeokayplsbeokayplsbeokayplsbeokay—

HE’S ALIVE WHOO

Omg babeee ur bleeding—

Now he’s really gonna have a scar like corvus

“Get everyone out”

See he learned from the pyrrah incident in s2 he’s prioritizing the people now that he’s not in the whole “xadia is evil” mindset

Hey wait where’s he going—

“Take good care of Hat.”

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN??

SOREN—honey—wHaT aRe YoU dOiNg—

WHAT

AARAVOS IS CONTROLLING PHAROS—

Is this cuz the dark magic infection thingy

Omg viren’s been in there for a long time lmao—

“You have your other way! Dark magic!”

Notice how soren said “your other way” as if he still doesn’t condone it, but he knows it’s the only way to save everyone

Dark magic is so nuanced in situations like these like yeah it’s last resort but if you’re someone who hates it with a passion and then you end up needing it what are you supposed to do

Do you give up your ideals for the greater good or stand your ground and risk disaster

That’s why i love this show so much there’s no clear bad guy

“Take my heart.”

SOREN N O

S T O P

NO

I mean what else is he supposed to do yeah but STILL—

N O O O O O O o o O omg pls—

No not soren

Omg i’m so scared not soren PLEASE—

I’m actually gonna cry if he dies please no—

OH MY GOSH IS VIREN USING HIS OWN HEART—

GAHHH I CAN’T TAKE IT

Just as i forgave him too—

GAHH NO it’s the way he’s ACTIVELY DYING while doing the spell to the point he can barely say the incantation 😭😭😭😭😭😭

“I am a… servant.”

This scene pretty much speaks for itself idrk what to say

This shit is sad like fuck—

“My dad! I need to find my dad!”

CLAUDIA NO

Oooomg she’s gonna lose it if she finds him

Full azula mode

“What happened to your beloved mate who disappeared?”

Is he says he ate her imma pop off—

Who even is aithne solaire? Was she mentionedin something?

“In your fury, you buried her.. Alive.”

WHAT THE FUCK—

Like actually???

Not the way aaravos just dies laughing after dropping the darkest most depressing truth bomb ever—

OMG HE ATE PHAROS

“Choke on your own pride.”

HOW THE FUCK IS HE CHOKING ON A TINY LITTLE ELF

Oh my gosh—

This is just brutal

i'm terrified of choking too so it's that much worse

AND HE CATCHES ON FIRE—

“I don’t think you should see him like this.”

Ugh i love terry for being so considerate after everything she’s done

Like yes save the last of her sanity while she still has it

This episode is hard to watch—

The voice acting is impeccable tho like give claudia’s va a raise

OH SHIT SHE FOUND THE PEARL—

Lujanne giving no fucks about the crown is the funniest thing

But wtf is she talking about the diamond don’t tell me it’s fake—

“Her dad just died. Can’t she just take a moment to grieve?”

FINALLY Terry’s talking sense like shit aaravos at least give her a minute—

I KNEW IT

I FUCKIN KNEW IT

VIREN’S STAFF HAS A QUASAR DIAMOND

I literally said it like 2-3 episodes ago too

WAIT THAT MEANS—

“I can only save two of them.”

Oh you’ve gotta be kidding me—

Alright y’all it’s a wrap. Katolis is gone, viren is dead, aaravos is getting out, it’s a whole ass shit show. Ooooooomg i’m scaredddddd. Especially when callum finds out the real pearl was in katolis all along, i guarantee you he’s gonna spiral like he did in kosmo’s vision. This episode was really hard to watch, I was surprised, but in a good way. One more episode to go, then season sevennnnnnnnn whoooo

Time to cry :D

[sisterofficerlucychen]

Okay so now that the season is over and the dust has settled… and also to give us all something to do over the hiatus: what are your five favorite chenford scenes/moments from season 6?

aaaaah! this is fifty years later, i'm so sorry. and i also ended up writing an essay? can you tell my two brain cells are chenford 24/7 lmao. 

6x02

"Guess you're gonna have to fight him" / “I have to look amazing in a dress tomorrow. Nobody cares what you look like. He's huge. I am not fighting him” / “Let's go" 

so much happened in this little bit and it was beautiful (and hilarious) ♡

starting with where they're at as they end up in front of the hammer's apartment — they had just had a fight, tim walked away and called it a night, things were still awkward the next day yet when lucy said she had to go and try to get bailey's ring back tim immediately said he'd go with her. by the time they reach the apartment, it's still kinda awkward~~ but their banter is back and it feels a lot like them.

then the hammer gives them the conditions on how they can get the ring back and alkdfjsldfs 🪦 (i have yet to recover).

tim was so unserious when he turned to her to tell her she would need to fight him when he was the one who insisted on joining her because he knew the chaos that would ensue. the fact that lucy doesn't miss a beat to not only remind him that she needs to look amazing for the wedding and no one cares what he looks like??? 😂 and he doesn't question it???? also, the way they're literally bickering like a married couple and the hammer's just so amused as he waits for an answer lmao (the way this man was gonna go to jail but was so bashful bc he got to fight someone).

but comedy aside, part of why it's such a favorite moment is how it highlights their growth/development. tim didn't even blink when lucy said no and this is the same man who on day two intentionally put her in a fight as punishment for failing a tim test. even thinking back to just a few season like s4 tim and lucy? maybe he wouldn't have made her fight him but he would have given her more shit for it. but tim *heart eyes for lucy chen* bradford? he would never and it has nothing to do with not believing she can hold her own but rather that need to protect her 🥹

honorable mention is how this then gave us the foreshadowing of a proposal because they were unhinged for that but oh my god, yes.

6x10

"Lopez, take the wheel."

not only did we get to see lucy being the absolute badass that we all know and love; but our girl did not hesitate to save our favorite grump's life even though it meant putting her own at risk.

i loved how much of a testament it is to how they always have each other's six and even in the worst of times, there's no exception and no question about it. the moment she saw him in the back of the truck, she was right behind him. the fear and worry in lucy's face as tim was getting stabbed was palpable, she knew his life was in danger and there was no question about her needing to jump in (pun intended) to save him.

what makes this scene so powerful for me and my favorite part of it was the expressions shared between them after they've subdued the guy. they say not a single word and yet the didn't need to, their expressions spoke for them.

lucy's reaction to me felt like her mind was catching up to the past few seconds as if she moved out of instinct, she didn't necessarily have a plan when she jumped onto the truck but rather this innate need to help. tim on the other hand is first hit with relief and then the realization that lucy just saved his life. he looks at her with almost disbelief that despite everything he's done, she still did that. it felt almost like that first inkling of him understanding that as broken and lost as he is, it doesn’t change the way she loves him? i’m gonna reference you because you said it perfectly in this post lol.

6x08

Happy Birthday - Love, Kojo

i think this was my favorite scene this season?????? i don't even know where to begin but just they way it both shows how much they love and miss each other, the way that they're hurting sooo deeply *brb while i go sob over this all over again*.

every single detail in that scene just felt so important — as thoughtful as tim can be, having kojo ‘sign’ a birthday card for lucy and then have him deliver it to her front door feels like it’d be something he’d roll his eyes at and yet there he was because he couldn’t bear with not acknowledging it was her birthday. not only did he get creative but he also did something that was still really special. 

then, the entire execution of him delivering the card because tim had to have been waiting once they got home and the fact that he was literally just around the corner. the fact that they both knew they were just a hallway apart???? lucy looking that way too after reading the card 🥺

another thing is how it’s the first little glimpse she gets toward understanding where he’s at? because all she knows is that he decided that she deserved better and he walked away — that’s the only explanation she got, he’s not at a place where he can give her the discussion she deserves so a lot of it is her filling in the blanks. obviously this moment is nowhere close to that but it is this small reminder that he still loves and cares for her, that despite everything he’s still thinking of her. and boy was he - he had multiple reminders for it and it wasn't because he was afraid he was going to forget like this man had things planned, i just know it.

the music choice was also something that i absolutely loved from this scene and the foreshadowing it told. it felt like this beautiful balance of emphasizing the heartbreak they’re dealing with right now while also holding this promise that things will be okay. 

6x04

"Come on. Come on. Let's go home."

there’s something about the way these two show up at hospitals for each other that has me so unwell??? we saw it in s5 with lucy and then in this season with tim — that absolute frantic need to get to their bedside asap. what adds to this too for me is the fact that tim shows up with her go bag because it could have been anyone that brought it to her but it was tim (and there’s something so intimate and domestic about it). 

the fact that he goes straight to her instead of checking in with grey and how the first thing out of his mouth is something to try and make her crack a smile. his instinct is to try to make her feel better, to ground her and reassure her that he’s at her side. he’s always been the fierce protector and how he shows up for her here is another example of it.

the part that gets me though is once grey and wesley leaves, he tells her it’s time to go home. home. he says it in such a soft and gentle way too 🥹 AND THEN THAT HUG. OH THAT HUG WAS EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

6x03

“You could never disappoint me.”

okay i’m gonna make this one short and sweet — the contrast shown here of how lucy’s never been able to live up to her parents expectations versus the unwavering belief tim has in lucy and her potential. she thought she disappointed him bc she placed 17 but nothing she could ever do would disappoint him??? like these are words she's never heard before in her life. this is huge.

also the fact that he remembered she loves trophies???? it was so cute.

[mostowa]

I don’t think Tim’s pain should be excused, however nobody seems to be acknowledging how DISRESPECTFUL Tim was toward Lucy in last episode … actually making not want them back together because he’s treating her like she meant nothing to him

Hey Anon!

I needed to take some time to answer your question for several reasons. One of them being that I didn't want it to be bundled (also in my head) with hateful comments about me being Tim defender. More importantly, I wanted to really think about what to say here. My answer is going to be one of tl;dr so here goes my general reflections about fandom, TV shows and life.

Firstly, someone said here very wisely at some point that it is great, how different we see scenes, dialogues and react to character building. I also think this is what makes things interesting as long as we keep our discussion civilized and open-minded.

Please, I don't want you, dear Anon, to find this lengthy answer as invalidating to your reflections. You have every right to this judgment, to your emotions and wanting to skip shipping Chenford.

You know, I rarely watch TV shows to judge or relive the drama. I am a sucker for TV shows that are well written (and I consider The Rookie one of these) is that they usually give me a lot of reflection on different characters and all kinds of life situation. I watch them mostly to analyze. And Chenford situation atm is nothing if not a deep pool to explore :D

The analysis is what I really feel like doing with Tim (and a lot of other plots in The Rookie). His perspective is a very distant to one that I follow in my life and that's what makes it interesting for me. He is a deeply bruised man in an obvious mental health crisis. And thus I am not feeling like judging his moves. I want to understand what he does and why he does that.

I've been in a mental health crisis myself. And boy, I was desperate. I was looking for any kind of reassurance I'm doing OK. I was left and judged by my friends. I felt so alone.

So, to add up all that. The way I see this situation is that it's not disrespectful for me, as I try to find different colors of Tim. It's a deeply wrong reaction, a scheme that he tries to fall into. The (once) safe common ground with Lucy: a work talk (that's the same he does in new sneak peek of 6x08). It's not an excuse, it's more of an explanation. I don't think it's good or right what he did, but I get why he did it and he is in an extremely flawed place.

Of course, if we are talking of disrespect and things happening in the relationship we need to consider both sides. So there goes Lucy side. As I see it, Lucy is, well, she is strong. To start. She also knows her boundaries so well. She sets them immediately with Tim. And I don't think also that she found his part disrespectful. I think she treated this a facade, maybe a BS also a little bit. I think she really hopes Tim will get his sh*t together (he needs to, let's be honest about that too). I'm happy she won't let that done at the expense of herself.

I don't think I see any of the disrespectful dynamic written in their relationship. But then again, I wouldn't have chosen to be with a partner like Tim, because I need a healthy attachment style and a good communication (which all I found in the beautiful mind of my husband). I think I've also always been rooting for guys like Tim has to find the good path. So, yeah.

Thanks to any of you that decided to stick to the end of this answer. I hope it makes any sense.

[jeffannieresource]

My (long, long, very long) List of Favorite Jeff/Annie fics -- Part 1b

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Tell the World That We Finally Got It Right by ameliajessica Rated: T Date Originally Posted: Feb 06, 2015 "IT'S A BEAR DANCE!" Chaos ensues! Riot! Food fight! Jeff and Annie hiding from the mayhem!

Inevitable by Waffleberry Rated: T Date Originally Posted: Feb 7, 2015 He has thought about it so many times in the summer break; of course he has; and what he has deduced is that it wasn’t just Racquel that broke in that lab. Something between them fractured.

Cry Uncle by Fayth82 Rated: T Date Originally Posted: Feb 21, 2015 He's had those words running around his head all week and it was slowly driving him crazy. It will only take one little thing to tip him over the edge.

DVD Extras by PepperF Rated: T Date Originally Posted: March 16, 2015 Movie-making, romantic melodrama as proxy, the art of subtle manipulation, and ghost (?) ninja alien robots.

If It’s Real (It Stains Your Hand Like Wine) by wright_or_wrong Rated: T Date Originally Posted: May 2, 2015 “But I think to really sell it,” Abed muses. “We need a kiss. I mean, you guys are about to die. What would keep you from going for it?” Alternate/Missing scene for 6x08.

When a Resistable Force Meets a Moveable Object by PepperF Rated: T Date Originally Posted: May 5, 2015 Things are fine, really. The kissing is just an aberration. WAS. WAS an aberration.

only fools rush in by ameliajessica Rated: E Date Originally Posted: May 7, 2015 - Aug 3, 2015 Jeff and Annie are terrible at casual sex. Well, Annie is.

Coming Clean by thebaddestwolf Rated: E Date Originally Posted: June 8, 2015 to Aug 3, 2015 It almost didn’t seem real -- that he’d finally, finally, told her, that he’d kissed her -- that she’d asked him to. After the mess he’d made of everything, all the self-sabotage and self-loathing and other self-inflicted pain, the solution boiled down to something as simple as coming clean to her. A missing scene fic, starting after the S6 finale study room kiss. Spoilers, obviously.

You’ll See How Well We Rhyme by wright_or_wrong Rated: T Date Originally Posted: June 9, 2015 "It’s probably why he’s felt so envious of Annie, going out and changing her life, chasing something new and better – and it’s probably why it was so easy to come up with alternate scenarios for the future after she got her internship. There’s got to be something better out there for him too." Post S6 finale

Advanced Manipulation and Mindfulness Techniques by PepperF Rated: T Date Originally Posted: Jan 31, 2016 Fours all have this look: alert, cunning, and ravenous. It may be hell at the bottom and heaven at the top, but one level down the pressure is enough to forge diamonds. But Annie thrives under pressure.

Intro to Freudian Slips by randomramblesff Rated: G Date Originally Posted: Feb 11, 2016 “By which you mean, Chang emails me rankings every day and I don't respond, because if I did, it would always be Annie one, Britta two.” An alternative ending to Basic Email Security (Season 6, Episode 6) where Jeff is a gupti-gupta who accidentally said something he probably shouldn't have said.

Basic Truth by PepperF Rated: T Date Originally Posted: March 20, 2016 What if Annie had been in the study room instead of Britta?

Aimless Walking and Significant Moments by greendalecoolcat Rated: T Date Originally Posted: April 10, 2016 Jeff reveals information to Annie. She takes him on a walk.

Emotional First Aid for Amateur Busybodies by PepperF Rated: T Date Originally Posted: April 21, 2016 School's out and Annie's going away and nothing really matters. Which doesn't explain why he's awake at 2 a.m. worrying about it all.

Open Doors and New Beginnings by greendalecoolcat Rated: M Date Originally Posted: June 1, 2016 An alternate version of the finale.

One More Goodbye by Nostalgia_101 Rated: T Date Originally Posted: June 5, 2016 Annie's last night in Greendale before leaving for D.C.

Five Times That Annie Seduced Jeff, and One Time She Got Distracted and Forgot (But It Worked Anyway) by PepperF Rated: T Date Originally Posted: June 7-8, 2016 I'm just going to let that title speak for itself.

Lecherous by CeleryLapel Rated: T Date Originally Posted: Aug 18, 2016 to Sept 9, 2019 Canon Divergent fic immediate post Remedial Chaos Theory

Alternative Teleologies of Narrative: A Holistic Approach by jeffwik Rated: T Date Originally Posted: Sept 3, 2016 "Or maybe the dean was right?" Annie asked. "About us?" She searched his features, looking for confirmation of what she'd been so certain of when she'd come up with the whole stupid crack-Troy-and-record-a-taunting-message-to-get-Jeff-to-admit-he-wanted-her plan.

Certainty by CeleryLapel Rated: K Date Originally Posted: Jan 22, 2017 Post-S6. Jeff and Annie are dating. They haven't yet told his mother.

Tell Me by randomramblesff Rated: M Date Originally Posted: March 20, 2017 When he first tells, her he feels partly pathetic and partly terrified. He’s been thinking about it for a while, mulling over all the ways he could screw things up. It’s not that he has a common history for ending things because of what happens in the bedroom - well, technically he doesn’t have a common history for any of it seeing as he’d only really class two or three of his past relationships as just that, genuine relationships – but he knows there’s some sort of expectation floating above him like a cloud. (or... Jeff and Annie take things slow when she gets back from DC)

You Are the Opera (Always on Time and in Tune) by PepperF Rated: T Date Originally Posted: March 23-26, 2017 It had been a long week. Hell, it had been a long forty years, and by the end of Friday he was feeling the weight of every weary minute. So he chose to blame the tiredness for what happened—that, and the tequila. He could never get the hang of tequila. It wasn't his fault he couldn't be strong for even one more minute.

Fill in the Gaps by randomramblesff Rated: T Date Originally Posted: April 27, 2017 “I’m Annie,” She stood forward, her champagne free hand ready to shake. “My fiancée.” “Pffft, ugh, sorry,” She tapped at her chest with the palm of her hand, knocking even more wind out of her than Jeff had already just done, “the, erm, the champagne, I think, didn’t settle right.”

Resolved by NE8675309 Rated: T Date Originally Posted: June 16-29, 2017 Jeff has been forced to realize his feelings for Annie just as she has decided to ignore his very existence. While Jeff is trying to make up for his own past indifference, Annie is trying to make a new start free from her own naivete. Angst and misunderstandings ensue. Post S5. Takes place during the Summer as an Alternate S6.

Basic Booty Call Etiquette by Pigzxo Rated: E Date Originally Posted: Aug 19, 2017 Their yam isn't murdered but Annie still sends that text. You're about to be screwed in the bio lab.

Just Like Always by greendalecoolcat Rated: T Date Originally Posted: Sept 2, 2017 It wasn’t just a debate kiss, or school dance make out. It wasn’t small spaces under blanket forts and it wasn’t smiles from across the room. It was sex and the most intimate moment of her life because it was with the man she loved.

Introduction to Sex Toys by Pigzxo Rated: E Date Originally Posted: Sept 11, 2017 All Annie wants is to buy a discounted vibrator at Dildopolis in peace. Unfortunately, with Jeff insisting on walking her to her door and the flash sale only lasting ten minutes, this quickly becomes impossible. The result? A messy, bumpy, totally unhealthy venture into friends-with-benefits territory.

Emotional Consequences of Cross Country Migrations (x) by cgkm2099z Rated: PG-13/M Date Originally Posted: Oct 3, 2017 This takes place mostly in between the final scene in Study Room F and when Jeff drops Annie and Abed at the airport. It's my own answer to the question: "what happened in that week in between?"

#AndAMovie by albatross9 Rated: G Date Originally Posted: Feb 16, 2018 Post season 6. Annie is surprised to find Jeff Winger on her doorstep and even more surprised when he volunteers to escort her an important work event when her real date flakes. All goes according to plan until their friends decide to crash the gala. Frankie has a surprise for everyone and the group decides that crashing Annie's work event is the best course of action. What can possibly go wrong?

The Mistakes Not Made under the Moonlight by Natalie_Carson Rated: G Date Originally Posted: May 14, 2018 During Basic RV Repair and Palmistry, Jeff sneaks out of the RV late at night unable to sleep only to find that one of the other Greendale seven couldn't sleep either.

I know that other things are not of consequence by middlemarch Rated: T Date Originally Posted: Aug 1, 2020 Something was ringing. It wasn't his alarm. It was his fucking doorbell.

Theories of Romantic Expressionism by Little_Annie_Adderall Rated: T Date Originally Posted: Aug 13, 2020 Annie's 21st birthday party. She rarely thinks of herself as "the young one" in the group anymore. But there's always one person who points out her tender age at every ill-timed opportunity. Tonight, she wants to prove her new adult identity. Although whether she wants to prove this new identity to herself or to... him... she isn't entirely sure. So on December 19, the study group gathers to celebrate Annie Edison finally going to a bar without having to be Caroline Decker from Corpus Christi. And once there, she receives a gift that changes everything.

Falling off the Precipice by HarmonizingSunsets Rated: G Date Originally Posted: Sept 29, 2020 Annie and Jeff aren’t a thing. If they were a thing, Annie would know about it. I mean…she thinks she’d know… Annie and Jeff are done with the will-they-won’t-they thing.

Casting by L56895 Rated: T Date Originally Posted: Oct 13, 2020 Jeff isn’t sure why he agreed to be casting director.

Constants and Variables by Raj_Sound Rating: T Date Originally Posted: Oct 21, 2020 to Jan 21, 2023

Advanced Beginner Knots by jeffwik Rated: T Date Originally Posted: Dec 3, 2020 In the aftermath of “Intro to Knots” Jeff and Annie hook up.

Countdown by practicingmypurpose Rated: T Date Originally Posted: Dec 16, 2020 sight, smell, taste, sound, feel.

Five by onenotewaffles Rating: E Date Originally Posted: June 16, 2021 to August 19, 2021 Set after the events of E304 in timeline 5, my third-favorite timeline.

Pottery for Dummies by naboojakku Rated: T Date Originally Posted: July 18, 2021 Annie tries pottery. Jeff quietly—then not so quietly—loses his mind.

Psychology of Deception by andropithecus Rated: M Date Originally Posted: July 21, 2021 to Aug 6, 2021 Jeff has always been pretty good at lying, and at getting out of things that he doesn't want to do. But what will he do when his Mom corners him into Christmas dinner and asks him to bring the girlfriend that he (lied and) told her he had? Lots of fluff, lots of fun, and an irritated Annie will ensue.

Cruel Summer by Olivia Sprite Rated: E Date Originally Posted: Sept 13, 2021 Jeff comes out to DC to visit Annie during her summer internship, and it takes everything in Annie not to mention 'The Annie of it all,' lest her heart is broken one more time.

All I Want for Christmas by Olivia Sprite Rated: E Date Originally Posted: Dec 24, 2021 Jeff and Annie are dating, and all Annie wants for Christmas is you-know-what. But a mysterious present means it's time to team up and investigate! A little mystery, a little snow, a classic caper; will our beautiful dummies get what they want this holiday season?

Social History and Holiday Revisionism by PinkCanary Rated: E Date Originally Posted: Dec 4, 2022 Seven years after Annie leaves Greendale, she comes back for the holidays.

[queseraone]

Hiiii! With only 2eps left, gosh that flew by, what are your thoughts for these two episodes?

What do you want to see from chenford ?

What do you want the big bad to be?

Dr London thoughts?

Thank you 😊

I knowwwwwww, how are we already at the end of the season?!?! I know it was short, but damn that flew by!

I want (/hope/expect?) to see some baby steps for Chenford. I know this storyline has been polarizing for the fandom, but I'm in the camp of "if they wanted a breakup, they went the perfect route." It's been clear to me that they still love each other, and 6x08 has made that even more evident, so I think we'll continue to see them make this kind of progress.

I don't expect (or, frankly, want) them to get back together in the finale. I know many people are hoping for that, but I think it's a bigger journey than they could ever accomplish in that time. But if we see Tim being more open and vulnerable, see some honest conversations... that's a step in the right direction. With those kinds of building blocks, I'm hopeful for a better, stronger Chenford in early season 7.

I've seen some speculation that it could be Claire Ivey, which could be fun (and would be totally on-brand), I've seen Doug Stanton (seems unlikely), Oscar (he's the "fun" villain, so I don't see it), Elijah (hope not, I'm so over him), Bailey's ex-husband (love Steve Kazee, but feels like a lot for him)... all this to say I have no clue, and I'm kind of excited about that!! (I would love if Primm was somehow connected, because fuck that guy)

I've had the inkling that Dr. London was merely a pawn and was being blackmailed for a few episodes now, and that's become more and more clear to me. She clearly cares about these police officers. I think she's probably being blackmailed or coerced or something. The Monica of it all? Who the hell knows.

I'm kind of expecting Dr. London to try to get out of this and maybe redeem herself. Won't be surprised if she does and then dies in the finale.

Anyway, this is such a rambling mess, but I'm just spewing my thoughts here... would love to know what others think!

I'm excited to be along for the ride! This season has honestly been one of my favorites!

OH! I just remembered... I also expect Lucy to go UC at the end of the season. If they're still interested in exploring that, it's the perfect time, and it's a great setup for a heart-to-heart between her and Tim.

[stagefoureddiediaz]

Costume Meta 6x08

Sorry everyone that this is super late - I had to set up Christmas at my place of work and it literally ate up all of my time so I’ve only just ben able to get this finished and posted! Thankfully Christmas is now up and running so I have my life back!

In other news I also hit a follower milestone just before 6x08 aired - I’m not really someone who celebrates these things and I can’t offer anything to you all in thanks as I’m not really creative in that way, but Thank you to all of you following me I love you all and I cannot tell you how much joy I’ve got from being in this fandom with you all. It truly means a lot to me that so many of you have embraced my costume ramblings, and that you seem to enjoy them! lets get on with the meta shall we!

You know I said in my 6x07 meta how 6x08 was probably going to be a fairly heavy costume episode because 6x07 was fairly lightweight - well sometimes  i don’t like being right - especially when its insanely busy at work and I therefore have less time to write! 

There were a lot of costumes for our mains this week, and some interesting developments - choices have been made my friends - choices have been made!

Chimney

Oh hello there Chimney wearing Red!!! its not a colour we see on Chim very often at all - he is far more of a - blacks, greys, dark greens and blues kind of guy, but this red basket weave shirt is a fun choice for him. We could apply the red flag theory her and say that the house hunting isn’t going to go well based on this shirt alone. I also love that he’s got a bit dressed up to go house hunting. I also love that this shirt is made up of both red and white - the passion (red and representing his love for Maddie) and purity (white - essentially Jee) - something we get to see further played out in the next shirt choice

the next shirt being this white tee which I really loved to see in this scene - white is a colour of purity and its perfect for this moment - Chim is full of naïve hope that turning the dining room into a bedroom for Jee will work out for them as a solution until they can find a suitable 2 bed house

Then we have Chim in a navy/black v necked long sleeve tee and a knit hoodie in the same colour. I think they’re both black (in the blue black spectrum rather than the brown black spectrum) but I can’t be 100% as the lighting in both scenes makes it tricky to be sure. Either way to go from white to black is emblematic of how the change isn’t working - its the whole going from light to dark - hope to despair!!

the final Buckley-Han scene shows Chim in maroon - still a colour we see the men of 911 in fairly often when they are in a parental role (and generally speaking - happy in this role), its not a completely accurate theme for this colour, as we see it used at other points as well, but in this scene it fits the theme perfectly.

Maddie

Maddie in the same blazer we saw in 6x04 when Maddie visits the little girl she was on the phone with when her abusive father almost killed her mother. Its an interesting choice for a repeat item of costume - the two scenes don’t seem to connect in any obvious way on the surface, except the little girl and her mother are free and moving on/forward with their lives - they no longer have to hide in a small apartment, they can now move on to something better - thats what is happening with Maddie, Chim and Jee - they are looking to move on and forward and into a new apartment. Of course the plaid shirt is very much telling us that this i not going to end well and I even think it might be foreshadowing what ever is going to go down with the house Chimney finds in 6x09!

We’re sticking with Maddie’s outfit theme of tee, blazer and false front hoodie as well as her Jee-Jun heart necklace (which I’ve started calling that as she only started wearing it after Jee was born) very much enjoying Maddie wearing a tee with a keyhole and a slogan that says ‘love dreamers’ on it in an episode called whats your fantasy! I think its a very interesting choice for this scene - where Maddie and Chim have had to compromise on their dream (for the time being) and the new arrangement quickly goes wrong. 

Green plaid I see you!!! I can’t decide at this point if they’re trying to make it look like Maddie is wearing Chim’s shirts or not. its plaid which is fitting with the check theory, and we see Maddie (and Chim) struggling with Jee and their tiny apartment. While the theory fits in with what we see in this episode, its also part of the wider foreshadowing for their apartment search - this is the second plaid item we see Maddie in this episode - not something we tend to see her in often, so we should definitely keep an eye on things realting to the house hunt going forward (especially with the synopsis for 6x09!)  The other thing is the green getting brighter and darker as Maddie settles back into her life as a Mother and partner - hence the darker jewel green hoodie in the final scene - when the three of them are together as a family.

Athena & Bobby

I’m combining them this week because Bobby didn’t have a lot going on costume wise this week - as has been the case for a few episodes now and to be honest its making me a bit queasy - because I’m becoming increasingly convinced they’re doing it deliberately to hide something from us - we’re getting nothing form his clothes - like at all. And I know they are very much in keeping with Bobbys style and colour ways, but I’m suspicious by nature and the change from 5b bobby costumes to 6a bobby costumes in their complete lack of anything interesting beyond his cruise Hawaiian shirt is telling.

(ok so I typed the above and then the 6x09 synopsis dropped and now I feel like my suspicions were founded - I think we might see some more interesting shirt choices on Bobby in 6x09)

Athena’s outfits are very much typical Athena outfits - we get her in a dark plum cardigan with some sparkle. The most notable thing though is that necklace -  this is a new one for Athena - it looks to me to be a guardian angel -  continuing the foreshadowing of the mama bear necklace from the last episode.

Then we have this very typical Athena in army green trousers and black top combo - with another new necklace

I can’t get a good enough close up to figure out what it is at the moment - I’m sure one of you out there might have more luck than I - if you do drop me an ask 😎 

Athenas final outfit - is this fab yellow ochre cardigan (I really love this colour on Athena) and the pelican necklace has returned!

The thing with this shade of yellow ochre, is that we’ve only seen Athena and Buck wearing it with any regularity (Hen has worn the same shade a couple of times but nowhere near as much as Athena and Buck), and interestingly enough it tends to be connected with the idea of communicating a change in family dynamic for both of them (and Hen as well - the most obvious example being when she talks to her mom about having to give Nia back to her biological mother) I find it very intriguing that they are choosing to parallel the two (three if we include Hen) of them in this way, on top of all the other parallels we’ve seen between Athena and Buck in the past.

4x12 - Treasure hunt (she has a yellow ochre top on underneath the jacket as well). This one is a slightly brighter shade of yellow, and we see more of a shift in the firefam dynamic than the Grant-Nash family dynamic, but actually thats just as relevant - its a build in to the shooting (both Eddie and Bobby), and ties most closely with the two shirts Buck wears in 4x11 & 14. 

Its also building into all of the happenings for the Grant-Nash family in season 5 - its very telling that this is the moment they chose to put Athena in yellow ochre for the first time because the storyline from this episode chimes back in with the conversation Athena and Hen have - about money and winning the lottery in this episode, which directly connects to 2x17 - the episode where Shanon dies - wearing the same yellow ochre!! All 3 episodes are similarly titled in that they are playing on the theme of fantasy - ‘Careful what you wish for’, ‘Treasure hunt’ and ‘Whats your fantasy’ and the interconnection of them the use of this colour is something I need to think on a bit more because what the costumes are doing here is interconnecting seemingly unconnected story arcs and I can’t be coherent about it right now!

5x05 - when Athena smacks Harry - for running away and acting out

5x07 - a conversation with Bobby about Harry and his acting out in the aftermath of being kidnaped by Jeffery Hudson

5x08 - Defend in pace - when Michael announces he’s leaving to support David in Haiti.

5x14 - conversation with Bobby about Harry having the same shoes as the boy hit by a car

As you can see all of the subsequent times Athena is in yellow ochre we see the Grant-Nash dynamics shift in some way, so the colour is indicating to our (the viewer) subconcious that things are about to shift or change.

I ran out of images so you’ll have to go look these up yourself, but as I mentioned in my mini Buck bts meta we see Buck in the shade in 3x06 and then the same top in 4x04/5. 

In season 4 we also see him wearing ochre in episodes 2, 3, 11 and then at the end of 14 - during the will reveal and Eddie’s welcome home party and Like I said above, this is a slightly brighter shade, than the other others. 

4x02

4x03

4x11 (this is the one that most closely ties in with the Athena jacket from 4x12 in terms of shade, and interestingly they are both about the wider firefam - in this case Sue Blevins and her hit and run)

4x14 This isn’t the best picture to see that the colour is brighter than the other yellow ochres we see Buck wear, but it is I promise!

5x03 

5x04

In season 5 episodes 3 and 4 - both in scenes connected to Maddie and her departure from LA because of her PPD. As you can see all of Bucks wearing Yellow ochre also connects in with changing family dynamics - from 3x06 where Buck is getting back with his firefam in the post lawsuit world (interesting that both Athena and Buck wear it for the first time in a firefam moment rather than a scene connected to their actual family), to Maddie’s pregnancy and the change in family dynamics that brings, all the way through to her needing to leave to get herself well again and the elephant in the room that is the Will and Buck becoming a part of another family - his own family.

May

I want to talk about these two costumes in parallel, because they are two sides of the same coin. Here we have May dressed in a youthful way - a way of connecting the scene to her past - the fact she is bringing home the boy she dated in high school - a time when she was ‘innocent’ but then we revert to the more mature May - one who is more sophisticated and wiser - hence the black fitted dress. the connecting thing is the trainers - she wears the same pair of trainers with all 3 of her main outfits (we don’t see her shoes in the dark green Tennis jumper from the last scene, but she’s probably wearing them then as well) its a thread that connects all the different versions of May we get in this episode. 

Conversely, Darius dresses in the opposite direction - he’s more formally dressed when he’s at the Grant-Nash house, and more comfortably dressed when at his frat house - an interesting choice considering May is very dressed up by comparrison, but it shows how they are in two different places at this point - Darius is dressed in keeping with all his housemates and Mays outfit places her on the outside of them - she has more life experience (and it therefore more mature). 

In many ways neither of these outfits really represent the May we’ve seen on our screens for the last 5+ years, unlike the two later outfits we see her in, which are far more typically May.

I am in love with this outfit and Corrine looks incredible in it - its glorious, but it also plays into a couple of different themes for May - it is far more in keeping with May’s wardrobe than the previous outfits, blocked and bright jewel colours in modern and stylishly youthful designs, then we have the red/blue theme of the emergency services (a colour theme that 911 have been playing with since season 1 just not overly often in clothing its been more set and lighting!), but the blue cardigan/jacket is also the same colour as May’s dispatcher shirts, and that is very much intentional - its a call back to her past as a dispatcher, but the choice to use it in a jacket rather than the tee (because they could have had her in a blue tee which would’ve more closely resembled the dispatcher top) is symbolic of her putting that persona back on - how many times have we seen it done in film and tv (especially in superhero based stories) where a character either steps into or steps back into something and we see them putting on a jacket as a visual symbol of that change in mentality? this outfit is a visual support to the script - it shows us just how good of a dispatcher May is, and that what she learnt from working there is going to stand her in good stead for her life going forward.

Hen

There is a whole lot going on with this outfit!! The leopard print is becoming a bit of a theme for Hen - we’re seeing her wearing clothes incorporating it an increasing amount, and both her outfits for this episode make use of it. This is especially pertinent as the use of leopard print on woman's clothing is considered to be a symbol of independence, confidence, non conformity and sexuality! It’s all tied to Hen being in a place of happiness - we saw her in it at her vow renewal, at the end of s5, but then we don’t see it again until after she has decided to give up on being a doctor. 

The other outfit we have Hen in is this brown and black plaid shirt with leopard print pockets with violet trousers. We have to have a conversation about this jacket and this scene because its a super important and a doozy - Hen’s jacket is pretty similar to bucks at equestrian centre, and in many ways the scene pays out in a not dis-similar fashion. 

It’s an interesting choice because it directly parallels their positions in those story arcs - buck being there and being supportive of Eddie and now Hen filling the same role for Buck. 

I think it’s actually an important direction the show is taking this. Yes of course we all desperately want Eddie to be there for Buck - and I’m sure he will be down the line, but, actually someone other than Eddie being there for Buck - especially if we start to get buck exploring his sexuality and his feelings for Eddie as a part of the sperm donor arc, is really important. Hen is the perfect person here for Buck to confide in - she can be supportive in all aspects of his journey, a position Eddie cannot fill at this moment because neither of them are ready (in the same way that the shooting was brought up at the equestrian centre by Buck, but then not talked about because they weren’t ready then) and Eddie is too close to the centre of everything Buck is going through a especially when you consider that there is a fairly large part of bucks saying yes to being a sperm donor that stems from being a guardian not a father - a reaffirmation if you will of bucks internal monologue that says he’s always the back up plan (which stems from the Daniel of it all not from the will of it all) and so being asked to be a donor just solidifies his thinking there.

It’s really clever writing and costuming from the show and in fact just adds further proof to the Buddie is going canon arguement. Because that scene more generally was a parallel to the equestrian centre scene from s5, even bucks green shirt places him in the same position as Eddie in their respective scenes. It’s starting to make me wonder if we’ve actually in the middle of bucks ‘breakdown’ rather than waiting for it to happen and his is going to unfold in more of a gentle but bumpy descent rather than Eddie’s more explosive one 

Christopher

Christophers suit - a really interesting one for me - the implication being that they did in fact buy a suit for and attend the christening of Ana’s niece (or whoever it was) but that things have changed - the addition of the subtle check patterning (I mean I’m sure Gavin has also grown a fair amount in the last year) so a new suit would have been needed anyway, but they could have got a plain one - meaning the addition of the check is important. It fits in with my check theory and is suggestive of Chris being in danger in the future, but it could also serve as a form of reminder that Eddie’s previously chosen path (Ana) was the dangerous one (hence there being the reference to ‘the last time you wore it’) if we take that concept then it’s yet another subtle hint that for Eddie the heteronormative lifestyle that he tried to create was nothing more than a fantasy that was dangerous in reality (ending up in hospital having a panic attack and then later having a breakdown)

I’m also very interested in the fact that we’ve only really seen Chris wearing blue and grey so far this season (with the green and blue pj ‘s being the only exception to the rule and even they had blue in them!). We do see Chris in a fairly large amount of grey, but there is usually an even balance of other brighter colours along side the grey.  I’ve been looking at his costumes more widely and its actually kind of interesting - the grey tends to be worn in scenes where Christopher isn’t the one we should be focusing on in the scene - when whomever he’s with is actually the focus (think equestrian centre or suit shopping or the slippery slope pyjamas from 5x10) 

Eddie

Blue shirted Eddie my beloved!! I adore this shirt - because of the way its been designed to look a bit worn around the edges - it says so so much about Eddie and where he’s at.

Its of course easy to draw a comparison with the dream sequence in 5x14 when Eddie is in a lighter blue shirt, which has longer sleeves and a pocket - this was a fantasy turned nightmare, it wasn’t really Eddie at all.

By comparison, the tee from 6x08 being darker and blending in very nicely with the bed spread and the carpet stripes. but the main thing is the difference in fit to the two tees - the one from 5x14 is much looser in fit on Eddie - whereas the one from 6x08 fits him like a glove. The ‘designer’ wearing along the seams and edges in this instance just adds to the idea that Eddie is comfortable in himself - Eddie is in a good place - the shade of blue tells us this - its a brighter navy - a colour of confidence and security and the conversation with Carla about keeping fantasies to oneself because talking about them makes them true is only further emphasised by the use of this colour for this.

I’m starting to think I’m going to have to name this jacket the Dad mode jacket - we’ve only seen him wear it when in a scene with Carla, and when something happens that is significant for both Eddie and Christopher equally - the parents evening when Eddie meets Ana for the first time, 5x10 when Chris has a nightmare that pushes Eddie into deciding that he needs to leave active firefighting and the 118 and now this scene - where Chris goes to his first school dance, but Eddie is contemplating the fact that reality can be better than fantasy. Its a real full circle moment as well - from beginning an arc where Eddie tries to force himself to move on (in a school related environment no less), to a mid-point where he starts his breakdown and finally to a moment where he is in a good place and actually ready to move forward - its in someways a moment where this arc is tied up for Eddie (to the point where I wouldn’t be surprised if we actually didn’t see this jacket again) because we actively see him letting Christopher go - he’s no longer hiding behind being a father and we now get to essentially begin a new one with him - exploring who he is (without Chris) anyone??  The olive green top is also a nice touch - because not only does it play into army Eddie and carry on his costume theme, its darker - theres more growth and it gives us a brown/green combination - growth and stability essentially. Eddie is happy and its a glorious thing to see 😍

Buck

More vertical stripes on Buck!!! they really are going all in on this theme this season! the fun thing is that this shirt ties in with the one from the end of 6x01 - yes this has grey rather than blue stripes, but the idea that I mentioned in my 6x01 meta about Buck beginning to figure things out and understand himself better holds true here. The 6x01 scene was about Buck moving forward - the moving of the arm chair a symbol of that, but one that is also not really all its cracked up to be (its hopeful, but also lonely and representative of how buck has closed himself off even to his family), this scene is, again, showing us a Buck moving forward - this time we see him move on from donating sperm by being Uncle Buck (the very thing he will essentially be reduced to if the donation is successful) so its key here that we see him being run ragged by his niece - that babysitting her isn’t actually as fun as the fantasy Buck probably envisioned it being in his head - the narrowing of the stripes are giant red flag on how the sperm donor story is going to go because the 6x01 shirt is before he’s asked to be a donor - this one comes after the donation has been made. I think we need to keep an eye out for Buck wearing cream and vertical stripes in the coming episodes because I think it will give us a good few clues about where Buck is at - if the stripes stay narrow or if we see them beginning to widen out again!

I found Bucks maroon hoodie an interesting choice for this scene (although not sure tucking it into ones jeans is necessarily a vilid fashion choice!). As we know, Buck has an interesting relationship with wearing maroon specifically t-shirts and hoodies and its very much connected with his family - in season 2 we see him wearing it in connection to big talks with Maddie - about Maddie staying and about Abby, before we see him wearing it in connection with Eddie and Chris in episode 10 for the first time. 

After that the - tees become about the Diaz boys while the hoodies connect in with Maddie (and more widely the Buckley-Hans) Buck wearing a maroon hoodie in this scene only further confirms the theory. 

Then there is the watch still there on his wrist. I’m brining it up for this costume because its a pointed choice to have it on the outside of a longer sleeve. This season we haven’t seen buck without his watch once (other than where he’s wearing turnouts and you can’t see) which is unusual for Buck - up to this point he’s always worn his watch while in uniform, but in civvies, its been about 50:50 on if he’s been wearing it or not and when he’s in long sleeves we see him wearing it less. this makes Bucks watch wearing super important - and we’ve seen it focused on several times this season so far - this is just the latest moment (because that watch is reflecting light of the face even when Buck is in the darkness and moving towards the light!)

The white high tops are back and looking a little less than their usual pristine which is interesting - because its suggestive that Bucks journey towards happiness and building a family is less pure than before - this to me is very much a good thing - Buck has a tendency to be idealistic and the shoes have reflected this in the fact they’ve been so clean, the fact we’re now seeing them looking a bit more lived in (and in this episode) suggests that Bucks learning that dreams don’t have to be perfect, and actually the ones that are a little lived in are better than the shiny idealistic ones! 

Why his trousers are so short I will never know - its not something we’ve seen to quite this extreme on him before - I’m working with the theory it was something he did while moving the cute little pink bed! 

Firstly - I am living for the fact that this shirt is so see-through you can fully see the vest he has on underneath it 😂 but in all seriousness - I made a mini meta about the bts we got of Buck in his preppy outfit and spoke about how I thought we might see Buck progressing through increasingly darker green shades as the sperm donor storyline unfolds - now he’s made his donation. this shirt is so far proving the theory (only 1 shirt in, so it could all go wrong from here, but right now I’m winning!), its one I really like because its a double whammy of showing growth - both through the use of green , but also through it becoming increasingly dark - think about how the leaves on trees are always a much more bright and lighter green in spring and they darken up over the course of summer. same thing with these shirts. I also love the transparency of the shirt - it ties back into the whole arc of Buck hiding his feelings from others - and that he’s a bit more transparent than he perhaps thinks he is.

How I managed to sneak 40 pictures into this post I’ll never know, but I did it!!! 

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just read some literati fanfic where in 6x08 after the whole “why did you drop out of yale?” when rory’s leaving the restaurant after logan left her money on the table as the asshole he is, rory sees jess leaning on his car in the street with a cigarette in his mouth and literally goes “want to try again?” and i don’t know about you guys, it’s canon to me. they had their dinner and they catch up with each other and he is the reason she came back to yale.

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Jeronica Season Six Scenes (Real)

6x01

("Exhausting, aren't they?")

Time-Stamps; 2:03 - 2:09

(Whatcha' Looking at Jughead?)

Time-Stamps; 9:50 - 9:56

(I Think I’ve Seen This Film Before)

Time-Stamps; 32:11 - 32:55

(Look at the Height Difference! I'm Screaming!)

Time-Stamps; 34:16 - 34:29

(I'm Sobbing into My Roach Infested Marshmallow Rainbows)

Time-Stamps; 35:44 - 35:47

6x03

(Jughead, Your Crush is Showing)

Time-Stamps; 41:06 - 41:46

6x05

(The Man Was Too Stunned to Speak)

Time-Stamps; 2:37 - 2:55

(Veronica Forgets She Has a Boyfriend pt. 1)

Time-Stamps; 4:41 - 4:58

(The Eye-Contact That Was So Intense that Veronica had to Hook Up with Two Reggies to Deal With It)

Time-Stamps; 11:11 - 11:54

(I Just Think They're Neat)

Time-Stamps; 22:04 - 23:02

(My Boy Didn't Even Have to Think)

Time-Stamps; 27:56 - 27:59

(A Jeronica Conversation? In This Economy??)

Time-Stamps; 28:13 - 29:23

(...Is That...What I Think It Is?????)

Time-Stamps; 29:33 - 29:37

("...and the luckiest red-headed boy in the universe.")

Time-Stamps; 34:18 - 34:35

(Jughead Forgets His Girlfriend pt. 13)

Time-Stamps; 39:19 - 39:56

6x08

(I'm Frankly a Little Ashamed of This One Guys)

Time-Stamps; 16:23 - 16:24

(Ummm, That's Not Percival You're Staring at Jughead)

Time-Stamps; 36:18 - 36:27

(Percival Is a Jeronica Shipper Confirmed)

Time-Stamps; 41:20 - 41:27

6x09

(The Other Two Might as Well Not Be There)

Time-Stamps; 9:31 - 10:27

6x13

(One Can't Help Put Wonder What Thoughts Jughead Might Be Hearing From Veronica's Head)

Time-Stamps; 9:43 - 11:12

(It's the Yearning Gazes for Me)

Time-Stamps; 24:47 - 26:28

(The Costume Department Strikes Again)

Time-Stamps; 37:21 - 38:01

(His Girlfriend Isn't Even In the Scene and Yet; Jughead Forgets His Girlfriend pt. 14)

Time-Stamps; 38:04 - 38:46

(Something Something...Darkness to Archie and Betty's Light...Something Something...Silhouettes...Something Something...Neither One Burning Their Totems...)

Time-Stamps; 39:22 - 40:07

(Height Difference Makes a Nostalgic Appearance)

Time-Stamps; 40:26 - 40:31

6x15

(The...With A...I Just...They...)

Time-Stamps; 5:48 - 6:40

(I Think Jughead Should Be Blessing His Lucky Stars that Veronica Can't Read Minds)

Time-Stamps; 14:48 - 15:46

(There Is No Platonic Explanation For Any of This)

Time-Stamps; 21:59 - 22:55

(My Morally-Grey Babies Off To Destroy People!)

Time-Stamps; 32:20 - 33:56

6x16

(I Live Here Now)

Time-Stamps; 14:35 - 15:09

(I'm Not Saying Veronica Wants to Jump His Bones, but I'm Not Not Saying It Either)

Time-Stamps; 26:43 - 26:59

(The Unbearable Terror of Being Truly Seen)

Time-Stamps; 27:36 - 28:15

(A Completely Platonic Amount of Concern)

Time-Stamps; 28:23 - 28:55

6x19

(Even With Someone Else In His Body He Can't Keep Away)

Time-Stamps; 14:43 - 16:12

(In My Head and Heart Veronica Goes To  Jughead)

Time-Stamps; 16:50 - 17:56

(I Spy Wasted Potential)

Time-Stamps; 18:51 - 20:26

6x20

(Jughead Forgets His Girlfriend pt. 15)

Time-Stamps; 00:09 - 01:39

(Even on Paper Jughead Can't Stop Staring)

Time-Stamps; 18:01 - 18:50

(He Was Not, In Fact, Watching Mr. Cypher)

Time-Stamps; 31:46 - 32:17

(Veronica Almost Snapping Her Neck Because Jughead Came In Is a Reason For Me to Live)

Time-Stamps; 38:52 -  39:17

(WHAT WAS THE REASON?!)

Time-Stamp's; 40:25 - 41:51

6x21

(Smol Wife, Angsty Husband)

Time-Stamps; 4:48 - 5:56

(They Just...I...)

Time-Stamps; 9:58 - 11:15

(Whatcha Lookin' at Jug?)

Time-Stamps; 28:13 - 29:12

(Doesn't Percy Know that You Don't Mess With Jughead's Girl and Get Away With It?)

Time-Stamps; 31:50 - 32:15

(Veronica Being In the Most Eye-Catching Color - I See You Costume Department, I See You)

Time-Stamps; 35:21 - 36:22

(Perhaps I Cried Over This Look)

Time-Stamps; 37:33 - 38:03

(Something, Something, Background Characters)

Time-Stamps; 41:34 - 41:36

6x22

(The Director Said Cut but Cole Heard Eye-Contact or Bust)

Time-Stamps; 00:00 - 1:36

(So Close, Yet So Far)

Time-Stamps; 7:47 - 8:58

(She Could've Just Asked to Hold Jughead's Hand But...This Works Too I Guess)

Time-Stamps; 30:25 - 32:36

(We Love A Worried Stare)

Time-Stamps; 32:36 - 33:04

(Scared and Horny for the Forth Time)

Time-Stamps; 33:37 - 34:44

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Sun. 16th of October SG-1 6x08 The Other Guys. Host:  @dorothyoz39

Time:  3pm EST / 8pm GMT / 9pm CEST

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Miscellaneous thoughts about Sopranos season 6A

I’m almost done with the whole show, you guys! Crazy! I’m honestly looking forward to it being over so that I can breathe again. This is a selection of the stuff I wrote in my journal this season/half-season (however you want to look at it). This post is RIDICULOUSLY long (about 1700 words) so it’s going under a cut.

Originally I was going to put this point much later in the post but I’ve decided to put it first because it’s the most important: you guys, I adore Jennifer Melfi SO incredibly much and I miss the days where she was actually a main character SO incredibly much. Like don’t get me wrong, the second half of the show has been fantastic so far, but it just cannot compare to the first half for the simple reason that the character who is objectively the best used to be central and now she’s peripheral. Even if her role HAD to decrease a little bit, I wish it hadn’t decreased so much. But I’m grateful for every single second that she’s on my screen. She is literally one of THE characters ever.

The montage at the beginning of 6x01 “Members Only” was SO cool! I love a good montage, and the beginning of a season after a substantial time jump is the perfect place to put one.

In 6x02 “Join the Club,” when AJ made his oath of revenge against Junior, I wrote in my journal, “Bad idea, AJ! That could be the start of a Michael Corleone arc!” Then in 6x08 “Johnny Cakes,” we learn that AJ was consciously emulating Michael! I’m SO proud of myself for picking up on that parallel before the show spelled it out. AJ has internalized the values of the life his parents tried so hard to steer him away from, which isn’t surprising. I mean, it’s really telling that in 6x11 “Cold Stones,” Tony characterizes AJ’s problem not as a lack of responsibility or integrity but as a lack of “balls.” Tony doesn’t want his son to be a criminal like he is, but he’s never managed to dig deeper and challenge the ultra-masculine values that his entire life is founded on. 

Speaking of not thinking deeply about the values one holds, something none of these characters are particularly good at: Paulie’s fury toward Nucci in 6x04 “The Fleshy Part of the Thigh” is just the flip-side of his prior fanatical devotion, which was clearly based less on who she was and more on what she was. It was in large part a formality: not actually reciprocating all she did for him, just blindly following the rules. I say “in large part” because, thank goodness, in 6x09 “The Ride” he finally relents. Heartwarming! Man Sits In Silence On Couch With Elderly Adoptive Mother. (I’m going to go ahead and give Tony some credit for that: I think the lecture he gave Paulie in 6x04 sank in eventually.)

At last Carmela (with Melfi’s help—btw, it was SO great to see another one-on-one session between them!) has articulated the thing I’ve been thinking since at least the second season: she and Tony can claim all they want that they have their kids’ best interests at heart, but the fact is that Meadow and AJ were put into an impossible bind simply by being born.

It’s so funny how these guys (mobsters/mafiosos/wiseguys/whatever the best term is—I’m just gonna stick with “guys”) will tear into each other one moment, but then defend each other in the presence of outsiders. When Johnny cries at the wedding, Phil says that his “estimation of John Sacrimoni as a man just fucking plummeted,” but a moment later, when a random guest comments on what a sad display it was, Phil goes “he’s an emotional man 😔he loves his daughter 🥹.” Then in 6x10 “Moe ‘n’ Joe,” Tony tells Silvio he hopes Johnny dies in prison and Silvio fantasizes about throwing acid on Johnny, but a moment later when Sal Vitro refers to Johnny as “guilty,” Tony and Silvio are both like HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT ABOUT HIM 😠

This outward-facing ride-or-die stance is precisely the arrangement that Johnny violates in “Moe ‘n’ Joe” by putting family over Family. Putting aside his career and just focusing on the choice in isolation, there is a kind of nobility in his decision to take the plea deal that will let his family keep more of their money, knowing that his former colleagues will see no nobility in it and from that moment on he’ll be dead to them. Just another example of how the world these guys live in actively discourages having a heart. (Side note, Johnny is one of my favorite characters and I don’t even really know why. I get so excited every time he’s on screen. I’m always like YES IT’S THIS GUY! IT’S MY MAN!)

At the wedding, Tony is the only one of the guys to express sympathy for Johnny: just as he was (IIRC—it was a long time ago) the only one who we know for a fact was haunted by Pussy’s death (EDIT: he's not the only one, but my main point stands), just as he was the only one who mourned Tracee as a human being, just as in the next episode he will display a teensy bit of compassion for Vito when most of the guys don’t. If we didn’t get these little glimpses of a heart in Tony, if he was just rotten through-and-through, he wouldn’t be nearly as interesting a protagonist. Instead, he’s only like 99% rotten and that 1% is where the tragedy comes in. I want to say I could fix him, but that would be putting myself above Melfi, and I can’t bring myself to do that. If she can’t do it, no one can—except Tony himself, and he’s not going to. Alas.

Meadow is so frustrating because she is the one Soprano who is actually making the world a better place, but then she goes and confirms the rumor about Vito with no hesitation or qualms. Wtf queen??? Did she not care about the consequences for Vito, or did she just not think about them in the first place? I suspect it’s the latter, given that when Finn points out that Vito will probably face violence now, she doesn’t have a counterargument, but in that case...why didn’t she think about the consequences? I don’t get her. It’s so frustrating because Meadow is right about a lot of things, but like Tony, when she’s challenged to confront her own mistakes and blind spots, she just lashes out. Anyway I’m thinking of being her for Halloween next year.

It’s nice that Angie is friends with the other ladies again, but how did that happen? Even Rosalie is nice to her now, and it was Rosalie who told Adriana last season that Angie’s “not welcome here” anymore.

I’m enjoying the Cleaver stuff so much.

It’s so funny at the beginning of “Johnny Cakes,” when, having learned that it’s not going to be feasible to extort the manager of the new cafe, Patsy laments, “It’s over for the little guy.” Like he’s not WRONG but what a funny reaction to not being able to do the crimes you used to do. I don’t think you’re really the victim here, king.

You can certainly make the case that Melfi should have given up on Tony by now, but I truly find it so endearing how she continues to see potential in him, and how she’s always so proud of him whenever he does anything right. Like in 6x12 “Kaisha” when Tony recounts Christopher’s confession that he’s seeing Julianna, she’s like “omg and you DIDN’T get violent with him? Amazing job!!!” God I adore her so much I can’t even take it. 

Phil keeps claiming that he has a stake in what happens to Vito because Marie Spatafore (hi, sister of the actress who plays my favorite character!!!) is his cousin. That makes it sounds like he cares about her. But he does exactly what she DOESN’T want and murders her husband, because he doesn’t care about her, he cares about his own pride, to which she’s just an accessory. It’s what I was talking about in this post I made about 4x04 “The Weight”: when a woman is wronged, the men close to her take that as a cause for revenge regardless of the woman’s wishes. Except the men I was talking about in that post genuinely love the women they want to avenge; they just express that love in a self-centered and unhelpful way. Phil, in contrast, embodies the most extreme form of that sort of paternalistic vengefulness. He knows Marie doesn’t want Vito dead; he doesn’t care. He knows what he wants to do would actively hurt the woman he claims to be doing it for; he does it anyway. Not very nice, Phil!

After making up his mind that Vito has to die, Tony angrily says, “It’s Vito’s own fault. Why couldn’t he stay where he was?” To which Silvio says, “Don’t beat yourself up about this.” Silvio sees right through Tony’s bluster; he knows it’s a defense mechanism against guilt. That’s another thing Silvio has in common with Melfi, who can also see right through Tony’s posturing. For example, in that same episode, when Tony is complaining about AJ and wishing Carmela hadn’t prevented him from using his father’s harsh parenting techniques, Melfi cuts right through the lies that he tells himself: he claims to believe that his father had the right idea, but she points out that really, he wishes Livia had protected him from Johnny the way Carmela protects AJ. (Side note, I’ve drafted a post about Silvio and Melfi as complementary consiglieri to Tony. Will probably post it at some point.)

I love overarching character parallels AND I also love single-episode character parallels. Parallel between Vito and Tony in “Moe ‘n’ Joe”: both try to adjust to a new status quo (for Vito, a quiet life with a boyfriend and a boring but legitimate job; for Tony, a wife with a career) but both give up, screwing over other people in the process (for Vito, Jim and the guy he killed on the way back to NJ; for Tony, Carmela).

Christopher to Julianna in 6x12 “Kaisha”: “It’s just weird being where [Tony]’s been.” Tony to Valentina in 4x08: “I don't want to be where Ralph Cifaretto has been.” You guys are so cringe.

Even though Carmela can finally work on her spec house again (yay!), I hope she doesn’t forget about Adriana.

I love how Carmine talks. He talks like he’s composing a business email.

[outrunningthedark]

wait we didnt get any major buddie scenes in the fall finale last year except for the looks between eddie and buck when eddie told the 118 he was leaving thanks to brenna (so i wonder what she did for us with tomorrow's mid season finale)

I'm gonna be honest. I've reached a point where, though I am happy to see certain names as writer or director because I believe they will bring their A-game, having them in charge doesn't automatically make me prepare for an upcoming Buddie/Buckley-Diaz moment that will actually matter for the future. And yes, I only started feeling this way while watching these last two seasons. Lyndsey was a co-writer on 5x10, a BT episode. Coto wrote and directed 6x02, which had Buck wanting to find the key to happiness that could somehow lead to Buddie, but there wasn't Buddie content to point at and say "He did it again!" & then Andrew wrote 6x08, where we got Buck's hesitation over Christopher "dating", but it was also a far cry from how we started 6x01, you know? (I am not gonna get into the false idea that this is a "Kristen" thing. If Tim doesn't think these episodes need to be about Buddie, then they aren't gonna be about Buddie. I'm sure he and Kristen at least TALK about what she's doing over there.) As far as Brenna is concerned, her pattern has been directing one substantial Buddie interaction (as in, a scene not involving other people) in each episode: 4x04 -> gym convo - Eddie attempts to validate Buck's anger towards his parents 4x13 -> the shooting, obviously 5x04 -> balcony scene - "you're the guy who likes to fix things", Eddie joking about Chim possibly not forgiving Buck (to which Buck smiled!), "ice goes on the eye, bud." 5x10 -> Buddie discuss Christopher's nightmare about Shannon, Buck tells Eddie it's not his fault Christopher is having a hard time Will we have more of the same on Monday? Only she knows for sure.

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[maschotch]

the drama... you know the writers’ thought they were geniuses with this one

[eternalchant]

it's truly the way that jimmy, saul, and gene aren't the same man

[stargate365]

So, @stargate-stargate and I will be watching SG-1 6.08 “The Other Guys” tonight and we wanted to invite y’all to join.

Date: Monday December 17th 2018. 

Time: 20:30-21:30 UTC [USA: 12:30/2:30/3:30pm | UK: 8:3p | C. Europe: 9:30p]

Where: A link will be posted to the stream 30 mins before viewing for buffer time.

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A new episode, a new analysis!!

jfc….Point and Shoot emotionally wrecked me. Is everyone else doing ok?? Because I am not 😩

Anyway, I’ve been wanting to analyze Chuck’s motif from 3x10: Lantern for a while now, but I hadn’t gotten around to it…but then I watched 6x08: Point and Shoot. When I watched it at Tribeca I thought that I heard chuck’s motif in howard’s burial theme, but I wasn't certain. I only got to listen to it that one time at the showing, and I was so focused on other things. I'd been waiting anxiously for three weeks to finally see the episode again last night so I could listen and verify it lmao and goddamn it!!! Dave Porter has done it to us again!!!

analysis is under the cut!!

bcs/brba analysis 5/??

Chuck’s motif is used in two separate cues in Lantern, “Lights Off” and “Chuck’s Relapse” The theme is in 6/4 time and in the key of A minor* You can see the melodic and rhythmic content below. I used solfege to denote the scale degrees so it can easily be compared to the other cue.

The cue from Point and Shoot is titled “Burial”. It includes Chuck’s motif as a counter melody above the beautiful, heart-wrenching melody in the cello 😭😭 The biggest changes between the two cues are 1) the original is voiced in the bass range, while the Point and Shoot cue is voiced in the treble range, and 2) the instruments used. The original uses a trumpet or maybe a flugelhorn because it’s so low (I don’t know for certain) and the Point and Shoot cue what sounds to me like a vibraphone or some other pitched percussion instrument (perhaps even electronic). One interpretation I had about these changes is that the motif is pitched higher with the vibraphone to be more ethereal...like Chuck is a shadow behind Howard's death. Aside from that, there are just a few rhythmic, harmonic, and melodic differences, but the material is similar enough to be easily heard.

In Lantern, Chuck’s motif is further developed in “Chuck’s Replase” by voicing the main melody in an electric piano instead of a brass instrument, moving the melody to the treble range, and by thickening the texture through additional voices. (I didn't include the full transcription, but here's a sample!) The texture get thicker and the melody becomes more embellished to build tension as Chuck slips further into the grasp of his mental illness 😩

The parallels between Chuck’s and Howard’s deaths are numerous, and people much smarter than me have posted great meta on it. They were both gaslit by Jimmy when he switched something out (numbers/photos) and they were both made a fool in front of their peers and colleagues, reputations forever tainted. 

Another very interesting thing about this cue is that after closer inspection, I realized that this cue is also found in 5x08: Bagman and 6x03: Rock and Hard Place, which I analyzed previously here.

The biggest changes with these cues are the time signature (4/4 instead of 6/4), the key signatures, and the instrumentation. The melodic content is very similar with just a few changes.

Chuck colors Jimmy’s story everywhere you turn, so it’s easy to see how and why this motif showed up in Bagman when Jimmy uses the *space blanket* to lure in the bad guy. However, I’m puzzled about how and why it is in Nacho’s cue in Rock and Hard Place. I’m sure there’s a reason, I just haven’t dug deep enough to find it yet. If anybody has any theories on that, please chime in!! I’d love to hear them. 

*for the music theory nerds out there: even though it's in a minor key, I labeled the solfege as if it were in a major key because less altered syllables are used. this method is called La-based minor, where the tonic is La instead of Do