#* discourse / vegas .

[mvlionheart]

Las Vegas Grand Prix 2023 | Post-Race Press Conference Charles Leclerc understands that it doesn't matter how many points Max has; he will always push it to the limit.

[ihateyouvulpesinculta]

fallout tumblr fans (who i sometimes suspect have never even played the game) will one day clear up the collective misconceptions everyone seemed to make up together

arcade doesn't use his SUPER INTELLIGENCE TM to clock Vulpes on the strip, vulpes has dialogue where he INTRODUCES HIMSELF AS VULPES INCULTA or alternatively, YOU recognize him and call him out

thats just one on my mind rn but when I see it I go ... hm

[91vaults]

Ok so here's the thing: I totally get where the Fallout New Vegas crowd are coming from

(Note: I haven't watched the show yet I'm only going off what's come across my dash so keep that in mind)

Fallout New Vegas is and always will be my favorite fallout game. But I also love Fallout 4. I'm a member of both camps.

I'm also weird in that I love Fallout but absolutely will not touch anything else in the post-apocalyptic genre because...I kinda hate it.

Fallout is Post apocalyptic, but not in the same way something like "The Last of Us" is. It's not grounded in reality for one, and whilst society isn't necessarily moving "forward"...it does exist in one form or another...and it is moving.

And then you have Fallout New Vegas which is very much post-post apocalyptic. It's not just about the wasteland and survival and fighting: Society is moving forward What direction do we want it to go? (oh that and Casinos! you have to admin the casinos were fun)

People are absolutely correct in that the games still exist. Nothing is stopping you from playing them It's not erasing the whole game from canon (I think?) and in a game series like Fallout canon isn't the most important thing anyway.

But here's the thing: By wiping out all that stuff on the west coast, the NCR etc. It shows us how Bethesda see's the series. You know that thing you don't see as much nowadays: when a movie had a sequel they would just undo everything that happens in the first one off screen?

It's like that: We have to maintain the status quo: . Because it seems to Bethesda, fallout is about pew pew chaos in the wasteland! it's why it still looks like the bombs dropped last week even though it's been like (200 years?). It's all wasteland rubble and shanty towns! Because it's fallout, that's the brand. Thats what people expect. The FNV fans are frustrated because it's Bethesda sending a clear message that their vision for the series is very much "stuck in one place perpetually" as is often the case with the genre. forever looking back, never looking forward.

But it doesn't have to be like that! the series can move forward whilst still being Fallout. In fact it would be super cool to see a setting where society has started to built more. Like we saw in F:NV . It opens up new story opportunities. New factions, all kind of cool new shit.

This isn't about who likes what games or why or even about the show (I've heard good things, so honestly I hope I like it) . I don't care. I just think I can see the argument that Bethesds wouldn't really want to take the series in any particular new direction because they've settled into "the brand"

[vroomvroomthings]

Y'all, please, stop making fake narratives out of nowhere. The Max's "pawn" thing came out because Lando was asked to make a chess analogy, which he admitted he was clueless about. The reporters asked him a leading question and he answered with his limited knowledge; there was likely no malice in his part.

I've been critical of Lando in the past but taking bits out of context to make him look worse isn't something to be proud about.

[morewonders]

It’s one thing (juvenile as fuck, but I digress) to respond to every picture/video of LFJ/Tommy Kinard with “jumpscare” or “I almost threw up”, but when an account mentions Tommy Vega from 911 Lone Star and all the responses are some variation of “name jumpscare” I get HEATED. My wife Gina Torres has nothing to do with your bullshit, you leave her out of this! Don’t perceive her!

[minathered]

It Gets Good X Hours In...

Is there any worse defence for a game? I say this as a Final Fantasy XIV player. The weakest part of the game is the gap between ARR and Heavensward. It shouldn't take as long as it does for FFXIV to really come together. Do I still love it? Absolutely but man can it be a drag early on.

A game shouldn't take 20 hours to be worth your time. I've seen people say "Oh just play through Veilguard for the first 20 hours and it gets really good" and like, shouldn't it be good from the start?

And this isn't me being against a slow pace in games. I love Okami and that game has a leisurely pace at best, but its interesting from the jump. The game isn't an awkward slog until you beat Orochi. Its a fine line to walk but it can be done.

Or, just make your opening so compelling you NEED to keep going. New Vegas does this perfectly imo. Especially as it also had the task of bringing fans up to speed with everything that happened between Fallout 2 and it.

Mass Effect 1 does this really well too. Sure the game only really opens up once you leave the citadel, but its all so rich and interesting leading up to that, that it doesn't really matter.

Again, I'm not against slow paced games (XCOM My Beloved) But there needs to be more than just "Content" to work through in those early hours.

[fallout-lou-begas]

In @ikroah #20, Julie Farkas had asked Agnes Sands and Cass to stop a dealer named Dixon from selling drugs to the Old Mormon Fort's rehab patients. When Agnes and Cass couldn't just convince Dixon to stop, a fight ensued in which Agnes and Cass killed Dixon. When they relay this information to Julie, Julie snaps at the two of them and expels them from the Old Mormon Fort.

(you can read the rest of the issue here)

Agnes and Cass argue that there was no way to stop Dixon besides killing him (debatable). Arcade Gannon, also present, chimes in and claims that an alternative option, such as paying Dixon off, would have stretched the Followers of the Apocalypse's thin budget and only encouraged even more bad actors to take advantage of the Followers' altruism. Still, by her own admission, Agnes was the one who escalated the initial confrontation.

Julie's reason for being angry, however, is that she quite simply did not hire Agnes and Cass as assassins. In her view, killing Dixon "for" the Followers of the Apocalypse not only was not what she asked them to do, but it mars the Followers' altruistic reputation. It is important to her that anybody can turn to them in their time of need. If you were her, would you want people coming to the Followers and asking you to kill somebody? Would you want people being afraid of coming to the Followers in case they do kill somebody? The last thing that she wants to do is contribute to even more instability and paranoia among the destitute people of Freeside. And yes, this differs from her characterization in the original game, so please only interpret this by the context that the comic provides.

It's a nuanced and complicated issue comprised of practical concerns, personal feelings, and regrettable mistakes that resulted in permanent consequences.

Which is why, since tumblr has introduced polls since this issue was published, we're having the most black and white binary poll possible:

[theology101]

Roger Maxson is the most important man in Fallout American History

So tonight, as we break bread together, let us forge together something new. Something strong. Something we can be proud of. Something we can build upon. We'll preserve what's best of what's come before and use it. And one day, we will reclaim what was lost. Let us forge a Brotherhood of Steel.

I love great man history. It is entirely inaccurate and a horrible way to represent trends, war, geo-political power, and the thousands of little pieces that all make up 'history.' Great Man History swipes that all away and instead makes history a Biography, where the steps made by an individual would reverberate for eons to come. In real life, the amount of people who could possibly defined as 'Great Men' is minuscule (by my count, its 5) and its usage in chronicling history is dubious if not non-existent

But for storytelling? Hot DOG that gets my blood pumping!

Roger Maxson was a man on the Brink. His commanding officer, Colonel Robert Spindel had just committed suicide, leaving Maxson in command of the entire military brigade established at Mariposa - 1,500-3,200 soldiers, all of whom had to deal with the fact that their government willingly committed horrors against not only humans, but also American citizens. He was able to gather the families of his men, probably doubling their population numbers, and then watched as a week and a day after assuming command, Roger Maxson watched as nuclear flame wiped clean the entire surface.

This was not like Ellen Santiago on the East Coast, a military leader looking for some hope, some direction. This was a man who had declared independence from his country, had the Rose colored glasses ripped from his eyes and watched as consumerism and imperialism consumed the entire world. Mariposa was a military base... and also a corporate research center. Maxson would have been well aware of the economic situation prior to the war and would most likely have come to the conclusion that America was responsible for its own death.

I brought up Great Man history so let me plug one of those Great Men - Charlemagne. If you were gonna be boring about (IE an actual historian), you would look at how the Franks had been rising in local power for decades, and that Charlemagne used the foundation made by his grandfather and the relationship with Rome that had been fostered since the Merovingians to make the largest military powerhouse seen in the West since the fall of Rome. But if you were gonna be BASED AS FUCK (a bad historian but a good storyteller) you would write about how Charlemagne's personal brilliance and skill won the day. And the latter is exactly what Charlemagne would want you to think - so he had his legends made. Codifed centuries later as Chanson de geste, Charlemagne spent the majority of his time as Holy Roman Emperor myth-making about himself. Establishing epics, wondrous stories, and poems. Becoming more than himself and instead being Pater Europae

Roger Maxson: We need to do something bold. We can't just stay the US Army. What's going to happen, and this is only a matter of time, is some general, or some goddamned politician is going to exit a Vault and start ordering us around. And worse they'll order some grunt to start the whole damned cycle again. Another wave of nuclear death. And if that's not enough they'll do it again. You know they will, Lizzy. It ends with us. We won't let them.

Elizabeth Taggerdy: I... I understand. But a Brotherhood? Knights? I'm supposed to call you, what, Elder?

Roger Maxson: Words have power, Lizzy. They build identity. They take on a meaning if you keep using them, even if it didn't exist to begin with. It was the Knights and Scribes after the fall of Rome that protected what was left of Western civilization. So we are the new Knights and our role is similar. But we'll need more than names. We'll need new traditions, our own, well, mythology. Something people can believe to their core.

Elizabeth Taggerdy: Is this necessary?

Roger Maxson: What else can I do? Declare myself President? Make you a Senator? Look around. Something's killing us more than the rads and freaks out there. Depression. People have lost everyone. Every goddam soul. Wives, kids, loved ones, heck even the mailman. We need to replace it with something otherwise people's souls will wither. We'll be little more than walking dead men.

This quick move paid dividents to the Brotherhood as a whole and the Maxson family as a rule. America was a corrupt, bloated institution that would lead to its own death and cannibalization - so Maxson changed it. A cult of personality, a subculture independent from what came before it, a pseudo-monarchical meritocratic collectivistic state. Bound by their tenets and their Leader

Roger Maxson was a visionary, a man who knew that he had to become more than a man, had to become a symbol. And in fact, so did his entire Brotherhood. That what saved them from the ennui of the Enclave and NCR - they're something new, with their God King looking down at them. And it is this same legend and mythology that will allow for their unification under Arthur Maxson as the new High Elder. Two centuries later, people are still willing to join, fight, and sacrifice for the ideals of the Brotherhood and for the Name of Maxson, and with the adaption of some of Lyon's (and honestly, Roger Maxson's) strategies of recruitment, Arthur has ensured that they will keep going too.

If Maxson had instead simply become "Colonel Maxson of the US Army Remnant" I can guarantee he would be forgotten. But Roger Maxson, first High Elder, will be a name that never dies

[mawinswag]

God, Fallout has really reached that Star Wars fandom point where we just CANNOT allow ourselves to have a good thing.

Like the show comes out and people love it, but suddenly it retcons all of New Vegas apparently, except SIKE it actually didn't, but everyone's still bitter cos it invalidates the plot of the game I guess - but I can't help but think a lot of New Vegas fans WANTED the show to be bad so they'd have a reason to complain about Bethesdas' handling of the series.

And ofc there's the upshot to that where as soon as they start getting uppity, then comes the endless stream of 'New Vegas Fans be like-' and casting judgement on THEIR enjoyment of a certain property and like yeah that's super helpful - that's definitely not contributing to the divisive discourse that created that stereotype in the first place!

I wanna say Fallout is a bad franchise, but doing that is disingenuous, cos it's barely a franchise at ALL at this point. It's more a disjointed mass of ugly fandom rivalry and bad decision-making in a trench coat. Its legacy's gonna be the toxic cesspit of fandom it created and not the excellent stories it told - and I'm really sad about that.

[8aeddel-vriska]

There’s being a fan of something and then there’s obsessing over it so much it causes you genuine anger and grief and you start to jump to insane conclusions. Some of y’all really need to fucking get a grip.

[ungraceds]

“   i'm   not   interested   in   whatever   bullshit   story   you're   about   to   feed   me   ,   so   you   might   as   well   just   save   your   breath   and   go   .   ”

[starryoak]

my least favorite thing about being a fan of fallout new vegas is how I have to stringently avoid liking any posts about it or my “for you” page gets entirely filled with people bitching about how terrible Bethesda are. there are complaints I have about modern fallout like anyone else, but I as an OCD haver am actually not a fan of endlessly fixating on bitching about things I can’t realistically influence and actually I do like the Bethesda fallout games for what they are

[91vaults]

The regular fallout fans are loving it and having a great time

The OG/NV fans are absolutely pissed off and LIVID

“Fandom….Fandom never changes”

[somethingaboutmint]

I dont think the discord ss provides much context but i tried. Yet another stim and arcade interaction

[thevqid]

i’ve literally never made a discourse post because you could not bring me to care THAT much.. however i like alexis and i enjoy arguing

my personal thing with alexis discourse is that people keep saying that she’s a bad person blablabla and then turn the corner and actively enjoy characters like vega and yandere!ivan. it’s constantly “i hate alexis cause she had no redeeming qualities and she sucks” but when you make the exact same observation about the characters they enjoy, ie ivan, blake, and vega, it’s instantly a problem because it’s “different” as if the only difference isn’t their gender. it’s fine to dislike alexis, but to call her a bitch and refuse to ever see her side as a separate character, when you do the same for other male characters, is the actual problem :3 people are allowed to like bad characters the same way you do, there is no difference.

[formulatrash]

What do you think about Daniel Ricciardo?

idk if it was the water at Enstone or whether Cyril was treating him well or whatever but his hair has never looked as good as it did when he was at Renault