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Midterm - Past Paper 2017

=== Question 0 === (3 Marks)

What is the most important property for a cryptographic hash function to have to make it as resistant as possible to birthday attacks?

.[A] Preimage resistance .[B] Collision resistance .[C] Confidentiality .[D] Symmetry .[E] Second-preimage resistance .[F] Non-determinism

The whole idea behind the “birthday paradox” is that given a room of people it “seems more likely than you think” that any two people will have the same birthday. The key part here is “any” - the idea of being able to find “any” 2 hashes for a function is a collision attack; hence the answer is B.

=== Question 1 === (3 Marks)

You are a developer of opensource fake-news software called "The trumpet shall sound", or "Trumpet" for short. You wish to use a cryptographic algorithm to generate a 64 character "digital fingerprint" of the "Trumpet" binary, which you will display on your web site so that people can check that they have downloaded a legitimate and unaltered copy of "Trumpet".

What is the most important property for this cryptographic fingerprint algorithm to have?

.[A] Preimage resistance .[B] Collision resistance .[C] Confidentiality .[D] Symmetry .[E] Second-preimage resistance .[F] Non-determinism

If someone is trying to make an illegitimate document, they are essentially trying to fake the hash which means it must be either A, B or E. Since they are looking to find another x’ (i.e. fake document) such that h(x) = h(x’) where x is the original document, the answer is clearly second-preimage resistance - E.

=== Question 2 === (3 Marks)

A MAC is designed to provide .[A] Neither Integrity nor Authentication .[B] Authentication but not Integrity .[C] Integrity but not Authentication .[D] Integrity and Authentication .[E] A Very Fashionable Device

A MAC is a hash of a message and a key - the purpose of hashing this is to ensure the data is not modified (i.e. integrity) and that the other individual knows the key (i.e. authentication) so they can verify the MAC code. Therefore the answer is clearly D.

=== Question 3 === (3 Marks)

You have a password file of 1,000 password hashes. Assuming that 50% of the passwords used were weak passwords which can be found in a dictionary of 1,000,000 common passwords, and that hashing a password takes 12 bits of work on average, roughly how many bits of work would it take to discover all these 500 or so weak passwords?

Note: only enter DIGITS in your answer (or else the automarker will mark it wrong.) _____

The easiest way to do this problem is to firstly hash all the dictionary passwords and put them in a table.

Work = 1,000,000 * 2^12 = 2^20 * 2^12 = 2^32

If you have them in a hash map, you can pretty much do an O(1) (constant time) lookup. This is comparatively very small compared to the computation required to compute a hash function, so we can ignore this. (i.e. we don’t need to worry about the 50% being weak at all here really) So the answer is 2^32 bits of work.

=== Question 4 === (3 Marks)

As for Question 3 but now assume that each password is appended to a different 32 bit number (a salt) before the hash was computed, and that the salt number for each password hash is stored, unencrypted, next to the hash in the password file.

Roughly how many bits of work would it take to discover all the 500 or so weak passwords in this case?

Note: only enter DIGITS in your answer (or else the automarker will mark it wrong.)

Now we actually have to consider the assumption that 50% of the given 1000 passwords are weak. This is actually a generalised birthday problem (except 1/2 for weak instead of 1/365 for birthdays) - i.e. given a room of 1,000 people, what is the value of n such that the probability that n people (0 <= n <= 1000) have a birthday on the same day is 0.5? I think solving this is well beyond the scope of this course - so in this question, I will make the assumption there is instead a 50% chance for any ‘given password’ to be weak. This means that on average your expectation would be that you need to check all the passwords to see if they are weak - the actual answer to the generalised birthday problem is not that far off 1,000 so I would argue we may be overestimating the amount of work by 2^0.5.

For each of the passwords we need to check, we will need to calculate the hash with the given salt for each of the common passwords. Now remember, around half of them are weak; this means on average we will only need to hash half the password list for the ones which are weak. The normal passwords we will end up wasting our time on the entire list:

So our answer based on our assumption would be 41.5 bits of work; I would argue that once you take the unintended generalised birthday problem into account it is probably closer to 41 bits of work.

=== Question 5 === (3 Marks)

Below are six lists of expenses submitted by six politicians. Sadly 3 of the politicians are dishonest and submitted made-up fake expense claims, not costs that they really incurred. :(

{{{ Albus Bert Carl Dave Egon Fred

269 6,296 543 1,137 503 206 1,428 3,217 220 638 4,195 74 3,840 520 3,080 696 5,780 257 2,163 456 5,070 543 7,774 350 165 111 108 113 986 50 2,701 2,176 8,078 145 884 426 339 476 7,963 313 6,530 3,226 64 2,607 68 236 50 108 942 824 2,457 701 9,801 94 17 10 7,952 422 5,717 17 423 112 5,332 5,723 29 158 37 13 5,705 964 3,933 609 723 9,048 8,851 750 6,122 5,769 172 295 99 7,905 91 19 498 165 6,424 9,953 89 275 5,583 3,008 48 491 19 898 56 1,396 8,339 2,675 758 506 158 19 1,945 8,212 427 3,467 1,244 238 916 897 8,503 9,217 2,445 51 3,618 392 3,617 26 866 921 4,219 941 338 1,349

}}}

Correctly identify the status of each politician.

==== 5.1 Albus ==== .[A] Honest .[B] Dishonest

==== 5.2 Bert ==== .[A] Honest .[B] Dishonest

==== 5.3 Carl ==== .[A] Honest .[B] Dishonest

==== 5.4 Dave ==== .[A] Honest .[B] Dishonest

==== 5.5 Egon ==== .[A] Honest .[B] Dishonest

==== 5.6 Fred ==== .[A] Honest .[B] Dishonest

Had to look up a bit about datasets to find out that this was utilising Benford’s law (on Wikipedia) - an observation regarding the frequency of leading digits in real-world datasets. Basically the idea is they should occur fairly closely to the distribution in the image below:

So what you need to do in the above dataset is count the number of 1′s for each of the politicians as leading digits and the percentage they represent in each column. I did this and got A - 29%, B - 33%, C - 10%, D - 14%, E - 5% and F - 24%. You can clearly see that A, B and F more closely resemble real-world data and are more likely the honest politicians (you can also check this with 2′s as well). Therefore the dishonest politicans are likely C, D and E.

=== Question 6 === (10 Marks)

What is the 5th word in the plaintext for the ciphertext below?

{{{ HHPET IAESR DTEHN SRAKA UASMI UEOYR CNWOK FNERA TRONE TNYLO SOENO OHDAS RYUSW DONUR BNSGI STLAU HTTOO DSAHE EWSYO SRTEC IFHWO EHNOC TIHGM AENUB EAERW DEYRV EYHTA OUGNS WSODE ROEVN HLTLA ESSEE SRTEC ONSDA YVREE SNIEO ENHTI IAKRD WOENN AYROA EOHTN OIYFR SAERU TNABU IIGNH RAAPN IFROK NSATN TEUBC OODUY NOKTN AWHTO CAOLT AECDK TIENB RSUBI IEFDI ETFYF NTEBE YAHTE LUBRO TNEKA YHNET EURAO ENHTI EAKRD HETNV YUHGO EURAO COATN LULAT HITNY KDRAE }}}

THEPE

My immediate idea was that this was a transposition cipher because it would be kinda cruel otherwise since we aren’t given any word spacing information or punctuation. The first word I saw was “THE” at the start, so I figured it must mean something - I attempted assembling with key length 3 however this didn’t make sense (neither did a length of 4). When I tried a length of 5, I got “THEPH” -> “RASEI” -> “NTHED” -> "ARKAS” (i.e. “THE PHRASE IN THE DARK AS”). This seemed to make sense and checking it a bit further, this seemed to be the correct mapping which is (1,2,3,4,5) -> (5,2,4,3,1) - this means the 5th word is “DARK”.

=== Question 7 === (20 Marks)

Suppose we convert letters and other characters into numbers in the range 1..54 using the following table and then separately encipher each of these numbers using RSA with a public encryption key of 23 and a modulus of 55.

{{{ 1 < 21 L 41 4 2 > 22 M 42 5 3 ? 23 N 43 6 4 / 24 O 44 7 5 : 25 P 45 8 6 ; 26 Q 46 9 7 “ 27 R 47 ( 8 ' 28 S 48 ) 9 @ 29 T 49 * 10 A 30 U 50 + 11 B 31 V 51 , 12 C 32 W 52 - 13 D 33 X 53 . 14 E 34 Y 54 / 15 F 35 Z 16 G 36 SPACE 17 H 37 0 18 I 38 1 19 J 39 2 20 K 40 3 }}}

For example the plaintext ":)" would be converted into 5,48, and then each of these numbers would be individually encrypted using RSA to produce the cipertext 15,42.

The remainder of this question has been encrypted using RSA with an encryption key of 23 and a modulus of 55.

{{{ 24,18,49,16,48,49,33,10, 2,12, 52,49,48,16,19,20,16,24,18, 2, 7,16,31,50,49, 7,24, 2,19,12, 16,18,10, 7,16,11,49,49,12,16, 49,12,23,48,34, 5,24,49,52,16, 50, 7, 2,12,26,16,48, 7,10,16, 43, 2,24,18,16,10,12,16,49,12, 23,48,34, 5,24, 2,19,12,16,25, 49,34,16,19,20,16,29,35,16,10, 12,52,16,10,16,33,19,52,50,21, 50, 7,16,19,20,16, 3, 3,47,16, 16,24,18,49,16,10,12, 7,43,49, 48,16,23,19,52,49,43,19,48,52, 16, 2, 7,16,53,53,53,53,53,53, 53,53. }}}

What is the answer codeword?

If you read a little about RSA you would know that you pick 2 primes (p and q) at the beginning of the algorithm which multiply together to give you your modulus. Since we have a modulus of 55, then p = 5 and q = 11. This means Euler’s totient = (5 - 1)(11 - 1) = 40. For the public key it is clear that 23 has been chosen as it doesn’t share any factors with 40. To determine the decryption key we can solve d * e (mod ϕ) = 1. We will do this via Extended Euclidean algorithm:

Therefore our private key is (d = 7, n = 40). We can use this to decrypt the answer if we want rather quickly; to save time you could probably just calculate the stuff near the end - for example once you calculate 53 ^ 7 (mod 55) you unlock quite a few bits of the text. An easy way to do this is to realise that 53 (mod 55) = -2 (mod 55) and -2 (mod 55) = -128 (mod 55) = 37. Anyway I got lazy and just dumped it all in a script:

So the codeword is ‘00000000′.

#week5 #midsem #analysis

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giantchasm · 7 years ago

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[rubs my disgusting hands together] gimmee that Good Shit. that ShinAya...

Send in two (or more) names and I’ll fill all this out about the ship!

General:

How long will they last? - Hopefully a long time but I don’t have much faith in them.

How quickly did/will they fall in love? - Ayano fell in love with the HOT EDGY DUDE pretty quick back in middle school. For Shin it took suicide and Regret(tm) to feel anything in the first place.

How was their first kiss? - SWEATY.

Wedding:

Who proposed? - Shintaro. He never wants to let her go again.

Who is the best man/men? - Haruk,,,

Who is the braid’s maid(s)? - Takanr,,,

Who did the most planning? - Shintaro. He’s... He’s a bit of an overbearing overanalyzing freak. Ayano had no clue what to do though so she kinda appreciates it.

Who stressed the most? - SHINTARO IS MADE OF STRESS

How fancy was the ceremony? - Back of a pickup truck | 2 | 3 | 4 | Normal Church Wedding | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | Kate and William wish they were this big.

Who was specifically not invited to the wedding? - Kano Saeru. Again.

Sex:

Please stop

Children:

How many children will they have naturally? - 2! Twins! Here They Are.

How many children will they adopt? - Ayano wants an army. But I have no definite idea. ALL I KNOW IS THAT AYANO WOULD RLY WANNA ADOPT KIDS WHO CAME FROM BAD SITUATIONS

Who gets stuck with the most diapers? - Shintaro haha

Who is the stricter parent? - Shintaro haha

Who stops the kid(s) from doing dangerous stunts after school? - Ayano. Shintaro’s just kinda sighing “Same shit as usual”.

Who remembers to pack the lunch(es)? - Shintaro. He’s really bad at packing them but Ayano’s memory is shit while Shintaro has literally perfect memory.

Who is the more loved parent? - Ayano by a long shot. Sorry Shin.

Who is more likely to attend the PTA meetings? Ayano

Who cried the most at graduation? - SHINTARO. BUT HE SWEARS HE WASNT CRYING

Who is more likely to bail the child(ren) out of trouble with the law? - Ayano. She’d say some shit like “FUCK THE COPS” because she’s still 13 at heart.

Cooking:

Who does the most cooking? - Shintaro. They mostly end up surviving off of instant ramen because he sucks ass at it.

Who is the most picky in their food choice? - Shin,,, He mostly sustains himself on junk food and Coca Cola

Who does the grocery shopping? - Shintaro. He’s a responsible boy.

How often do they bake desserts? - Not often, ‘cause Shin doesn’t really like sweet things. Sometimes Ayano cooks them tho.

Are they more of a meat lover or a salad eater? - Tbh Im gonna answer meat for all of these because I personally would rather stab myself than eat salad.

Who is more likely to surprise the other(s) with an anniversary dinner? - They both do it and end up completely surprising each other. Ayano’s a hopeless romantic and Shintaro’s a sentimental fucker with a perfect memory. THEY HAVE A GOOD TIME.

Who is more likely to suggest going out? - Shitnaro.

Who is more likely to burn the house down accidently while cooking? - S H I N T A R O

Chores:

Who cleans the room? - Shintaro

Who is really against chores? - Still Shintaro

Who cleans up after the pets? - Still Shintaro (Tono lives to be like 20, btw. Good bun)

Who is more likely to sweep everything under the rug? - GUESS WHAT ITS SHIN

Who stresses the most when guests are coming over? - Ayano, actually. She wants to seem Acceptable for her family.

Who found a dollar between the couch cushions while cleaning? - Shintaro but he gives it to Ayano. Good job flirting pal.

Misc:

Who takes the longer showers/baths? - Shintaro. He dissociates in the shower.

Who takes the dog out for a walk? - Ayano. She likes the outdoors.

How often do they decorate the room/house for the holidays? - Ayano typically decorates every year!

What are their goals for the relationship? - To not fuck it up again

Who is most likely to sleep till noon? - Shintaro’s sleep schedule is completely upside down

Who plays the most pranks? - Ayano >:3c

#shintarotateyama

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oofdezza · 5 years ago

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Mid Semester 2017

=== Question 0 === (3 Marks)

What is the most important property for a cryptographic hash function to have to make it as resistant as possible to birthday attacks?

.[A] Preimage resistance .[B] Collision resistance .[C] Confidentiality .[D] Symmetry .[E] Second-preimage resistance .[F] Non-determinism

I’m honestly not too sure about this one. I’ll have to ask Kris.

=== Question 1 === (3 Marks)

You are a developer of opensource fake-news software called “The trumpet shall sound”, or “Trumpet” for short. You wish to use a cryptographic algorithm to generate a 64 character “digital fingerprint” of the “Trumpet” binary, which you will display on your web site so that people can check that they have downloaded a legitimate and unaltered copy of “Trumpet”.

What is the most important property for this cryptographic fingerprint algorithm to have?

.[A] Preimage resistance .[B] Collision resistance .[C] Confidentiality .[D] Symmetry .[E] Second-preimage resistance .[F] Non-determinism

In this case, we don’t want someone to be able to find a second software which maps to the same fingerprint as ours after using the algorithm.

=== Question 2 === (3 Marks)

A MAC serves two purposes:

The first is to provide integrity by ensuring that a message sent hasn’t been tampered with (if the message has been tampered with, the MAC value sent won’t be the same one calculated by the receiver).

The second is to provide authentication, so that we know the message was sent by who we think it was (this is due to the shared secret that they salted the message with).

=== Question 3 === (3 Marks)

Note: only enter DIGITS in your answer (or else the automarker will mark it wrong.) _____

Hashing a password takes 12 bits of work on average.

To hash 1 million passwords, it would take:

2^12 x 2^20 = 2^32 bits of work.

To discover all 500 weak passwords, we then simply have to compare all 500 with the hashed value we attained. Hence the answer is 2^32.

=== Question 4 === (3 Marks)

Roughly how many bits of work would it take to discover all the 500 or so weak passwords in this case?

Note: only enter DIGITS in your answer (or else the automarker will mark it wrong.)

Now we must essentially run the previous computation once for every single password in our file, with the added salt. The salt essentially is changing what we must hash for each password.

For example:

Say one of the passwords hashes I had on file was fdjksh32 (password = apple123). Say another password hash was jcsn342 (banana1212). If both of these were unsalted, I can simply go to a dictionary and hash each common password once (assuming that both apple123 and banana1212 are common). I can then check if I find a match in my file and from the output of the hashed dictionary.

Now say both passwords are salted using different words (maybe red and yellow). Now instead of hashing the dictionary only once, I’ll have to hash the entire dictionary with the word red as a prefix to the passwords (e.g. h(redpassword) and h(redadmin)) just to see if apple123 is a common password. Similarly, I’ll now have to hash every password in the dictionary with the word yellow as a prefix. I will have to do this as many times as there are unique salts.

Hence now the work I must do is 2^32 * 1000 = 2^32 * 2^10 = 2^42 bits of work.

=== Question 5 === (3 Marks)

Below are six lists of expenses submitted by six politicians. Sadly 3 of the politicians are dishonest and submitted made-up fake expense claims, not costs that they really incurred. :(

{{{ Albus Bert Carl Dave Egon Fred

}}}

Correctly identify the status of each politician.

==== 5.1 Albus ==== .[A] Honest .[B] Dishonest

==== 5.2 Bert ==== .[A] Honest .[B] Dishonest

==== 5.3 Carl ==== .[A] Honest .[B] Dishonest

==== 5.4 Dave ==== .[A] Honest .[B] Dishonest

==== 5.5 Egon ==== .[A] Honest .[B] Dishonest

==== 5.6 Fred ==== .[A] Honest .[B] Dishonest

I had to ask my COMP1521 tutor Hayden for help on this question. He referred me to Benford’s law. Benford’s law basically states that naturally occurring datasets tend to follow a diminishing returns distribution such as the image provided below:

We would expect to be more costs which have a prefix starting in 1 and fewer which start in 9. A potentially made up set of data would have a more uniform distribution across the frequencies of the numbers. From this I calculated the number of entries that began with the number 1. The results are as follows:

A - 29%, B - 33%, C - 10%, D - 14%, E - 5% and F - 24%

As such, it is likely that C, D and E are the dishonest ones.

=== Question 6 === (10 Marks)

What is the 5th word in the plaintext for the ciphertext below?

I quickly ran the code through a letter frequency calculator and the following output was returned:

This follows very characteristic English profiles and as such this is likely a transposition cipher. I tried stacking the letters as previous questions required to no avail. I then started to research other transposition ciphers. A common one was essentially swapping the location of the letters in chunk sized groups of letters. Looking at this code, the first thought I had was potentially the first word is ‘THE’. Doing this meant that (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) -> (5, 1/2, 4, ....). I was essentially left with either ‘THEPH’ or ‘THEHP’. Thanks to English structure I quickly ruled out the latter and was left with one of two possible mappings:

(1, 2, 3, 4, 5) -> (5, 2, 4, 3, 1) or (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) -> (5, 1, 4, 3, 2)

If we follow the pattern, the next lot of 5 letters would by the first mapping become ‘RASEI’ vs the second mapping would give us ‘RISEA’. Combining with the first 5 letters we get either ‘THEPHRASEI’ or ‘THEPHRISEA’. As such we deemed the mapping to be the former.

We continue applying our cipher and we get:

'THEPHRASEINTHEDARKAS...’

and from that we can extrapolate that the fifth word is DARK.

=== Question 7 === (20 Marks)

{{{ 1 < 21 L 41 4 2 > 22 M 42 5 3 ? 23 N 43 6 4 / 24 O 44 7 5 : 25 P 45 8 6 ; 26 Q 46 9 7 “ 27 R 47 ( 8 ’ 28 S 48 ) 9 @ 29 T 49 * 10 A 30 U 50 + 11 B 31 V 51 , 12 C 32 W 52 - 13 D 33 X 53 . 14 E 34 Y 54 / 15 F 35 Z 16 G 36 SPACE 17 H 37 0 18 I 38 1 19 J 39 2 20 K 40 3 }}}

For example the plaintext ”:)“ would be converted into 5,48, and then each of these numbers would be individually encrypted using RSA to produce the cipertext 15,42.

The remainder of this question has been encrypted using RSA with an encryption key of 23 and a modulus of 55.

What is the answer codeword?

Once again Blankaex was kind enough to help me here. RSA picks its modulus by multiplying two primes together. Two prime factors of 55 are p = 5 and q = 11. From this we are able to calculate Euler’s totient:

(5-1)*(11-1) = 40

Now we know that calculation of the decryption key, d, is based on the fact that:

d * 23 (mod 40) = 1.

Now the only thing that 3 multiplies with that will produce a number ending in 1 is any number ending in 7. So we try d = 7:

7 * 23 = 161 mod 40 = 1.

Hence the decryption key is 7.

I made code to do the rest for me:

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fuckyeahkagepro · 6 years ago

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Kagepro theories the nth: MOMO EDITION + FOCUSING ! HIBIYA?!????

Kagerou Project Theories ~

MOMO (’S DROWNING)?? (EDITION??) (+ AZAMI..... ??!) +

FOCUSING EYES (+ HIBIYA !!! AND/OR ?? HIYORI THEORIES THE NTH)

( * See my archive for too many past Hibiya and etc. theories )

[ * KAGEPRO ROUTES ENDINGS SPOILERS WITHIN ] RELEVANT: - various Hibiya theories - various other theories (focus mainly on character-related theories) - Hibiya Amamiya’s Changing Phonetsraps Keychains subplot - THIS MCA 04 scene vs. Novels route comparisons - THESE THOUGHTS ( READ AFTER FINISHING THIS POST TOO )

( * OFFICIAL ROUTES / ORDER OF THEM ARE IN MY FAQ )

“THE CHILDREN REASON”: (Shintaro’s POV; he’s speaking to Kido about Momo’s drowning + etc.)

( MOMO: orange underlines HIBIYA: cyan blue Hiyori [briefly]: pink Seto [briefly]: green )

[ OFFICIAL ENGLISH TRANSLATION ]:

.....

[ insert a scene where Kido references they don’t remember here ]

^ ( IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT )

[ CONTINUE: ]

“ THE MISSING CHILDREN ” (Novel 4), Shinigami Record II: (* FAN TRANSLATION ) [ * AZAMI’S POV ]

RE: POSSIBLY AROUND WHEN THE SNAKES LEAVE HER:

( Black lines: Azami relevant )

^ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

“ THROUGH ” “ FOCUSING ”

“ F O C U S I N G ” [ EYES !!!!!!!!!!! ]

( AND EVEN ) ( RIGHT ) ( A F T E R )

( “ CAPTIVATING ” ) ( !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! )

^ WOW IT’S ALMOST LIKE THEY’RE A SET

THAT OCCUR VERY CLOSE TOGETHER

IN POSSIBLY LEAVING AZAMI -----------------------------

“ The Children Reason ”, OTSUKIMI RECITAL ENDING CHAPTERS:

[ * DISCLAIMER: OLD FAN TRANSLATION BUT ]

FROM HERE:

(MOMO’S POV):

“Hibiya?!”

I ran towards Hibiya, and realized he was all pallid.

“Cheer up kay? We will do our best together…. kay?”

“Perhaps, even I can’t do it….. even….. I don’t even know if Hiyori is still alive…….”

“……..YOU CAN’T BE LIKE THIS!”

That was, a sentence he really shouldn’t say.

( line breaks here mine for EMPHASIS):

If no one believes one is alive, if they don’t search for that person, maybe

that person will really disappear.

This is a thing I believe since young.

“You can’t…… say things like that…. You cannot give up…! Because I…… believe in you…..!”

^ “ if no one BELIEVES ONE ” “ IS ALIVE ”

“ IF THEY DON’T ” “ SEARCH ” “ FOR THAT PERSON ”,

“ MAYBE ” “ THAT PERSON ”

“ WILL REALLY ” “ DISAPPEAR ”

“ THIS IS ”

“ A THING ”

“ I BELIEVE[D] ”

“ SINCE ”

“ YOUNG ”

ABOVE: MOMO DROWNING NEAR THE END OF

Konoha no Sekai Jijou pv

... MEANWHILE, FROM HERE, 2012 FANDOM ERA SCAN:

Momo’s mystery

The only mystery about her that is NOT REVEALED YET is

how she got hold of her powers in the past.

What exactly happened during

the beach incident that happened when she was young.

And also what happened to her father who was also involved in it….

That incident’s one scene was shown a bit in Konoha no Sekai Jijou.

VERY RELEVANT: EARLY MANGA ROUTE 2:

Shinigami Record I: - AYANO BEGINS TELLING HIBIYA ABOUT AZAMI’S PAST

Shinigami Record III:

“ CAPTURING CAPTIVATING EYES ”

“ I USED MY ” “ F O C U S I N G ” “ E Y E S ” “ TO GET HERE ” ,

Shinigami Record IV: - AZAMI FINDS THE “ BRIGHT FOREST ”

Shinigami Record VII:

AYANO TO HIBIYA RE AZAMI’S FINAL ORDER:

“ SWALLOW THEM ” “ AND GRANT THEM ”

“ A LIFE IN EXCHANGE ”

SUMMARY OF CHAPTERS AFTER:

Meanwhile, Ayano, Shintaro, and Hibiya are still in discussion.

Shintaro explains that

Momo suddenly gained the ability to attract the attention of others

when she was in [Junior high] school.

^ FRIENDLY REMINDERS

Because of this power [CAPTURING], [Shintaro]’s sister [MOMO] became unable to live a normal life. (SHINTARO): “I can’t just sit still and do nothing if something bad’s about to happen to her.“ Seeing how much he wants to protect his sister, Ayano agrees to tell him everything. Some time later, they’ve left the restaurant, and Shintaro attempts to look for Momo.

Ayano talks about how the time Momo drowned

was about the time [Ayano] saw the snake of ‘ Capturing Eyes ’

LEAVE the DAZE

in Azami’s memories.

................................................. HIBIYA IS STILL HERE.

HEARING ALL OF THIS.

^ “ F * * K

AYANO ASKED WHEN THE SNAKE ENTERED HIBIYA’S BODY:

“ Ayano asked when the snake entered Hibiya’s body, to which he answered FROM , THE , VERY , START , long before he killed “Concealing Eyes”

AND MET AYANO.

He continued that this body was a “miss”. It was good that the boy who didn’t have any wish began to have a desire to “save the girl”, but it was a little bit immature. Regardless that the snake was a being that eats up “desire”, that wish causes him a sour stomach. ” ...........................................................................

OK SAERU / CLEARING EYES ASIDE

IS ANYONE MAKING THE CONNECTIONS THAT I’M MAKING

AND POSSIBLY ALSO RE:

MOMO’S DROWNING ???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND WHEN “ CAPTURING ” AND “ FOCUSING ”

LEAVE THE DAZE IN AZAMI’S MEMORIES ???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MEANWHILE IF YOUNG MOMO

WAS DROWNING

AND FELT

SHE COULD NEVER BE FOUND ------------------------------ MOMO’S BODY IS SPAT OUT

OF THE DAZE

“ THE NEXT DAY ” -------------------------

.....................................................................................

DOES “ FOCUSING EYES ”

HAVE ANY CONNECTION TO ANY OF THIS AT ALL

OTHER THAN MAYBE

SAERU

SAW

EVERYTHING

THAT

H I B I Y A WAS TOLD BY “ AYANO ”

IN THIS 2ND MANGA ROUTE

THAT’S BEEN GOING ON SINCE 2013

INCLUDING WITH THE ABOVE CHAPTERS

AND THE ENDING WE NOW KNOW ABOUT ------------------- ...................................................................

[ TO BE CONTINUED, MAYBE ]

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fuckyeahkagepro · 6 years ago

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Kagerou Project Analysis

Kagerou Project Comparisons -> “Common” places, featuring Hibiya (& Hiyori) (& certain others) [ Routes: Music (+etc.) -> Manga -> Novels ->? MCA -> ? / any etc., MX4D?] “play” (Kano) [2013] vs “park” (Momo) [2018] (featuring: Hibiya & Hiyori; notably Hibiya’s POVs / involvement)

Momo: About the phone strap you bought... you're gonna give it to Hiyori-chan, right? Hibiya: !!!!?? Hibiya: W-why would you think that ?? Momo: Ohoho so I was right... Hiyori: (blank staring from nearby, seemingly not hearing) (“?”) Momo: Well, for your information, there's a nice park around the corner there... Momo: Wouldn't the atmosphere be quite romantic if you went there during this time? Hibiya: /choking noise + furious blushing [the scene continues on....] [ to KageDaze ..... ] ^ Manga Route 2 ( source: x ) - Hibiya & Hiyori meet Shintaro & Momo very early on. [Manga Route: officially / timelines-wise, takes place before Novels Route & maybe [unknown/likely] MCA] [*note: Hibiya & Hiyori: encounters the store. it’s not closed because the Mall Occupation incident was previously solved*. (*by a certain: K o n o h a [hmm] [hmmmm]) Hibiya: despite this, does not get a phone (yet). instead, he buys a phone strap ... initially meant for “Hiyori”. ] [ Hiyori: also gets Momo’s autograph. ] (previously; before Manga Route 2) Manga Route 1: - Reset. Mall is closed. - Hibiya & Hiyori do not encounter ? a specific mention of the park. [unknown] - Hibiya: does not get a phone. ... ? - Hibiya & Hiyori: do not encounter / get to know the Mekakushi Dan*. [*because ... Saeru. i.e. there’s literally timelines they may not even meet] [or they may not meet the same. this includes how they meet the entire Dan.] (no specific mentions of phone, but they were trying to go to the store.) * “Today is such a nice day, so it’d be nice to play outside for a while~. What a waste!”

The guy crossed his arms behind his head and pouted.

“Ahaha… that’s right too. It’d be kinda nice to play outside for a while”

Hiyori smiled softly.

“Well, take care then! I’m going now. Bye-bye~”

The guy smiled at us again, turned around and quickly walked away.

^ “The Children Reason”, Kagerou Days ch III / Novel 3 ( source: x ) - Hibiya & Hiyori meet Kano in the graveyard. [the novel continues on...] [ to KageDaze ..... ] [*note: Mall Occupation incident leads to Mall closure.] [ Hibiya: does not get the phone / go to store. .... Yet. ] [ also see: Novel 5, “The Deceiving” + a certain someone’s involvement. ] [ Hibiya: attempts to confess to Hiyori. Stumbles over words / etc. ] [ Hiyori: sees Konoha. Konoha: overheard. (hmmmm) ] [ Hiyori: misunderstands / gets angry, runs off, encounters the “accident”. ] [ Hibiya: eventually, appears to still wake up in the Daze] * MCA Route: Hibiya: encounters Momo early on, as early as Episode 02, Kisaragi Attention. Hibiya: with Momo, after getting to know her a bit, runs away from Momo’s fans. Hibiya & Momo: then separated. Momo recruited to Dan by Kido. Hibiya: later sees Momo on the tv, recognizes her. Hiyori: chides Hibiya about Hibiya not getting her autograph. “I’ll [tell Hiyori] [my feelings] tomorrow.” - Hibiya

no one: tells him about “the park”. instead:

- MCA Route [ aka: the Route “closest to the latter” ] [ Hibiya: does not get the phone. ] [ MCA ending: still happens. ] [ MCA: Reset ? ?? ] [likely] * - MX4D mini-Timeline: - Hibiya: winds up in temporary possession of Shintaro’s phone [ Shintaro’s phone: has Ene. ] - Hibiya: is involved with Hiyori during the Mall Occupation incident. - Dan: the original 9 w/Hibiya, Hiyori, Konoha, Ene. seemingly no Ayano. - Tateyamas: unknown if they even exist here (no Kenjirou seen, no Ayaka...) - Shintaro: has Eyes power (at start). - Mall: is saved from said incident (by everyone available). [still no Ayano.] - Mall: has bomb. - bomb: [ BOOM ] * [ Mekakucity Reload album (Music Route ? ??) part 2: yet to happen. ] [ Mekakucity Reload anime: yet to happen. ] Conclusions?: - if Hibiya gets a phone: ????? - if Hibiya gets a phone (that has Ene): ?????? - if Ene 1) tells him about “playing” at “the park” 2) invites one of the original Hibiyas to join the Mekakushi Dan: ??????? 3) or, both Hibiya & Hiyori: ???????????????????????? * if Saeru gets a hold of [Shintaro or Momo’s phones]: [ /insert Ene screaming in the distance ] (see: Outer Science*, Manga Route 1) [*note: in the original Outer Science pv / Music Route, Ene is deleted by Shintaro during Route XX. in Manga Route 1, Saeru instead destroys Shintaro’s phone.] (Summertime Reload spoilers under the ‘read more’!):

- Novel 8 (Summertime Reload): - Hibiya: gets a phone. - it’s a particular person’s phone. (*not Shintaro’s) - end of Summertime Reload: happens. [ another very notable part: also happens. ] [ that: maybe occurs before MCA Route (?) if MCA happens later ] [ that: depends on if MCA even happens that much later ] * also previously in From the Darkness, Novel 7: [ Hibiya: was about to get Momo’s autograph. ] Hibiya asked Momo to sign for Hiyori after all these commotions ended. Momo had mixed feelings because she didn’t think Hiyori’d be satisfied with her sign *since she’d not be able to return to being an idol then* and she felt a trickle of jealousy [in her heart]. Not hearing Momo’s answer, Hibiya then said: “So you*…… We will definitely have to meet again! Promise me!” with a face like he was about to cry. “…… OK I see. I promise you.” - replied Momo. (* emphasis mine.) (* linked: image from said scene.) (ALSO previously [same scene]): hibiya: ‘if you’re worried about something, then just say it out loud. am I really that unreliable to you?’ momo: ‘……eh?’ * and, also in Summertime Reload: “However, no matter what kind of karma she had to bear later, she would simply think “It’s OK as well.” In order to cut open a path to our future, at this moment, she just decided without hesitation like that. Now come to think of it, she had always been like that since our first meeting. She was worried about a complete stranger like me as if it was her own problem, and without showing any sight of doubt, told me such thing as “I’ll definitely help you!” She is so soft-hearted, stupid, reckless, unreliable… but more than anyone else, she’s such a kind person. Since Momo’s like that, I was able to fight for myself like this too. The one who taught me about “friends**” - it was (no other than*) her.” * - added in by the translator for possible emphasis, still relevant. (*emphasis [italics] mine]) [**linked: Lost Day Hour mini-manga] ^ Hibiya’s POV additional theory: here

#kagerou project #kagepro #kagerou days #hibiya amamiya #hiyori asahina #kagepro: comparisons #kagepro: timelines #kagepro: refs #kagepro manga: comparisons #kagepro novels: comparisons #kagepro: analysis #kagepro: theories #hibiya refs #hiyori refs #konoha refs #saeru refs #mekakucity actors #long post #kagepro spoilers #summertime reload spoilers #kagepro manga spoilers #kagepro novels spoilers #(insert me crying in the distance)#(@ JIN PLS SHOW US MORE HIBI HIYO AND KONOHA)#(seriously Konoha is def involved in this bc Konoha's State of the World pv the question is exactly H O W)#(it seems he's trying to lead everything to the correct timeline even if subconsciously but.....)#(meanwhile interference literally everywhere everyone of the Dan doing their own things)#(ALSO I'M VERY CURIOUS ON MOMO'S INVOLVEMENTS LATELY AFTER SUMMERTIME RELOAD TBH)#(I WANNA SCREAM ABOUT MOMO AND LEADER!MOMO POTENTIAL)#(adds a bit more bc 'From the Darkness' too hmmm. those scenes not important eh hmmm)

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fuckyeahkagepro · 6 years ago

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Kagerou Project Analysis: early Hibiya+Hiyori ; Wannyanpuu’s Kagerou Days / Daze Alt Deaths

[ Wannyanpuu’s early Hibiya & Hiyori: Possible Alternate Deaths ] [ analysis / theories continued from here ! ]

Alternate deaths found from Wannyanpuu’s older fanmade [pre-main series] Kagerou Daze pv ..... ...... ..... (Including some even I never noticed until rewatching this music video for the nth time ... in the year 2k18) (possibly a few were later re-used in canon for other characters?) (possibly)

(also including more bonus crying Kagerou ! Hibiyas)

(warning: gore, blood, some are quite graphic implications gore-wise) (and also deaths wise ;;) (more warnings under the cut) (do not look if you are sensitive!) (basically: [almost] as many extreme deaths as you can think of ;;) (these happening to Hiyori especially but also implied Hibiya) (because timeloops.) (and Hibiya switching the timelines)

Death #1 - Normal Car, not even TRUCK Death #2 - Scissors ..... (was this re-used later for Shintaro?) Death #3 - I can’t tell exactly what this is but blood dripping off edges ...... [gore tw] Death #4 - Matches ..... (fire?!?) (possibly re-used for young Kido but ..... ) Death #5 - crushed by something heavy ? ..... [serious gore tw] Death #6 - rope [suicide tw] Death #7 - bottle [suicide tw] Death #8 - multiple extreme gunshots [HEAVY GORE TW] Death #9 - blood dripping down Hiyori’s side of face, her eyes still open / fuctioning ? [heavy gore tw] (she was struck by something in between?) Death #10 - buried ? [HEAVY GORE TW] [ or poles ] Death #11 - marks / wounds on neck ;; [heavy gore tw] (ok though this also appears during a truck scene so it may be the truck marks) (if you pause during an earlier scene, her first death - yeah) Death #12? - uh .... .... ... (HIBIYA NO) [POSSIBLE UNINTENDED VIOLENCE TW] [ ^ HEAVY GORE TW TOO ] (could also be remnants from truck but ..... ) (blood on his hands.) (Hibiya looking terrified too) Death #13? / clock - uh oh [ INSERT KAGEROU TRANSFORMATION INCOMING ? 3, 2, 1 ..... ] in between: the scene in full showing most of these and possibly other ( the others were still vague though so possibly it was more truck / etc. ) ( page jump / skip to the very end if you only want to see the last Hibiya(s) ;; ) ( and more crying Kagerou Hibiyas )

( ^ normal [black] car )

( ^ scissors ..... )

( ^ dripping blood )

( ^ matches [fire] ;; ;; ) ( HIYORI+HIBIYA N O DON’T YOU DARE )

[ the following deaths get PRETTY GOREY AND DARK SO ] [ PLEASE TAKE CAUTION ] [ tw for some: suicide (reminder though they’re trying to save each other) ] [ (from the loops yeah) (it appears to get really drastic .....) ]

( ^ crushed ? ..... ) ( Hiyo ;; ) [ poles are still possible or truck but ]

( ^ Wannyanpuu THIS WAS NOT OK ) ( hopefully we NEVER get this in canon but uh yeah implications still there ) ( but yeah Shintaro’s & Ayano’s were ... bad enough ;; ;; )

( ^ ;; ;; ;; ;; ;; ) ( STOP. )

( ^ CHRIST ) (HIBIYA SAW THIS) (HIBIYA SAW ALL OF THESE) ( reused for Saeru ? ?? )

( ^ blood dripping down Hiyori’s face / eye ;; )

( ^ more like this .... )

( ^ more truck, or ..... )

( ^ WANNYANPUU NO )

( possibly what leads to the .... )

( ^ Kagerou Daze deaths in full ) ( ^ note: Kagerou is seen, but still seems to be mostly just standing there.) ( “ he was just standing there, as if mocking me ” - novels 1 Hibiya ) ( so it seems these deaths can happen without Kagerou actually doing things? ) ( including the canon Heat Haze ? )

( ^ OH NO )

( ^ NO WONDER HE WAS SUDDENLY CRYING AT END T B H ) ( HE JUST WANTED TO SAVE HIS OWN HIYORI )

... ok but

( ^ I still wonder if he somehow became corrupted along the way ..... )

(i’m sorry) (i’m not the one who created this series or pv ok)

#kagepro: theories #kagepro: analysis #wannyanpuus kagedaze: analysis #wannyanpuus kagedaze: refs #wannyanpuus kagedaze #hibiya amamiya #hibiya refs #hiyori asahina #hiyori refs #kagerou #kagerou refs #kagepro: comparisons #kagerou days #kagerou days: comparisons #character death #trigger warnings all around #(i'm sorry)#(disclaimer again i'm not the creator of this series ok)

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fuckyeahkagepro · 6 years ago

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Kagepro theories / random analysis / questions of sorts?

so, funny things seem to happen when you directly compare [play at the same time against each other] the music videos for - Otsukimi Recital [of all songs] and - Outer Science ... while trying to find more Outer Science parallels ..... ... and then compare those findings to other things too ..... [bonus: some novel 8 spoiler bits from recent translations] [ even if this ends up being totally false maybe consider it like a fic that wrote itself? (hhhha) ] [ but seriously please try comparing the two videos by playing them at the exact same time against each other, some parts time up timing wise surprisingly well! ] [ also it’s very amusing ] [ also includes some “Additional Memory” arc from Manga Route analysis ]

ok so if you weren’t here for Outer Science’s release in the past, this happened at one point: [spurring off a series where everyone tried to catch more parallels]:

..... (and so on) ..... uhhhhh “[this] is the real thing!” - “Kagerou” in Wannyanpuu’s KageDaze pv [TOO] (also in original KageDaze’s song lyrics still) (UHHHHHHH) naturally, I recently was reminded of it [in the year 2k18 at that] and thought, “hey, did anyone ever directly compare Otsukimi Recital too? i didn’t have any caps from it in my archives just thematic parallels--” and well um [disclaimer: most of this is just for fun ok] [ but also to try and connect together thematic parallels if indirectly ] [ Outer Science re-translation from Kagepro wiki ] [ CONTAINS SPOILERS FOR ALL MAJOR ROUTES ] [ skip to the end for more important Routes questions! ]

[^ opening: Momo pan-up, Saeru pan-up] [ ^ Momo’s eyes flashing red as she points to the viewer, Outer Science intro ]

[^ oh hey (the one on right flashes by very fast too)]

[^ “...Daze you too”] [”hey, you (prayed too, right?)” -Saeru]

[^ also just before Momo’s “nee!” face at the exact moment Saeru says “nee”] (that’s more of a fun timing thing though)

[^”young master”] [similar mouth placements...] [”it’s pointless” -Hibiya, and also Kagerou in old fanmade [but later Kagepro artist though] Wannyanpuu versions] / [”it’s (an unpleasant) story” -”Azami”]

[^ compared better to young Seto in Shounen Brave up there but]

(a bit earlier) [^the wires?] [there are a lot of TVs in certain Music Route songs ....] [^”(just saying supportive things) wasn’t going to cut it” as Konoha flashes by]

[^ hmmm] .....

[^ ok but what if Momo DID know more than she’s letting on] [or later on, too]

[^ all of them flash by in these and related parts but]

[^ ”...go together”]

[^ HIBIYA NO]

[^”(Legends, life, and even people’s fate)”] [^ oh hi cat] [still a KageDaze reference]

[^ disclaimer: I am not writing these ok. it does it itself] [”...(And inadvertently falling in love, too)...” - right side]

[^ THIS ENTIRE SECTION LINES UP TIMING WISE PRETTY CLOSELY] [ PARALLELS WITHIN PARALLELS (ON THE LEFT SIDE TOO) ] [ Hibiya’s FACE there ] [”(Such stupid things.)” -Saeru] [”i don’t even know what’s going on...” -Hibiya] [“(Ah, how difficult, what a challenge, I can’t stand it)” -Saeru]

[”*(Embedding in those eyes)”] [ ... the soda hits Hibiya in the eyes literally right then ] (maybe more fun but wow timing)

[”the power to combine the eyes together...”] [...?] (oh hi Mary) ( they DO need Focusing Eyes too ..... )

[^ Momo WATCH OUT]

[^ I mean literally] [ PARALLELS WITHIN PARALLELS WITHIN ] [’sobbing ”I don’t want this!”’] [”(You knew it, right? That's fate)” -Saeru]

[^ he obviously wouldn’t want this to happen to Konoha either ok] [ much less the rest ] [^ in Otsukimi Recital he’s also having Hiyori flashbacks here] [”(first tragedy)”]

[”I wanted us to be together” -Hibiya] [ ... uh oh]

[^ Momo: must help Hibiya get FOCUSING EYES] [^“Outer Science”] (RIGHT HERE) [ in between during Otsukimi Recital interlude: Outer Science deaths, including Saeru pushing Hibiya in front of truck, like so ]

[ bonus: the street light in between flashing as Seto particularly dies too ] [ maybe related .... ]

[”(No matter how many times you deny it This foolish life you're living)” -Saeru] (.... ok seriously, this comparing aside, Saeru’s watching them?) (is that also why there’s so many TVs that pop up in Music Route videos?) (certain novel 8 spoilers too seem to indicate similar things) (also especially in some particular songs ... [see below for more on that])

[”(No matter how many times you just cry)” -Saeru]

[^ RIGHT AS HER EYES FLASH RED] [ the right side flashes by very fast reds too ] (tw epilepsy if you compare um) [^ same timing though]

["( You asked for too much and now serve to sin)” -Saeru] (ok but if it was said to Mary AND Hibiya ..... it’d fit)

[^ ending smirks/grins] [^ video ending on Otsukimi side with Momo grabbing Hibiya to pull him along]

[ ..... ok all that for fun stuff aside ] [but then I was reading Hibiya bits from novel 8 and TAKANE / ENE NO] [ DON’T GIVE HIM IDEAS TAKANE / ENE NO ]

.... ........ ........... ..... .. .

it was “MOMO’S PHONE”

- OK BUT WHY DOESN’T HE HAVE THE PHONE IN MOST MAIN TIMELINES - LITERALLY HE WAS ALMOST ALWAYS TRYING TO BUY A PHONE - LITERALLY THE FREAKING PHONE

[”i’ll do it!” -Hibiya]

[”the next next next”] [”(Let’s ridicule it!)” -Saeru]

^ “Kagerou” Hibiya, from the old Wannyanpuu fan pv

[”continue?”] [“yes”]

[ ... and after Saeru!Hibiya kills Momo ..... ]

BONUS:

[ is ... is Saeru holding Momo in Outer Science too ..... ? ]

(or if it’s not Momo, Shintaro maybe? either way) (Momo still dies by Saeru!Hibiya in Manga Route)

(BONUS THE NTH: MY TAGS FROM WAY BACK THEN EVEN:) “#... #Momo...?”

more of a fun bonus (i’m sorry) (don’t take this one seriously)

(”WELCOME TO MY WOMB” [mis?]translation)

THE POINT OF ALL OF THIS REGARDLESS OF PARALLELS OR LACK OF BEING:

WILL HIBIYA STILL CHANGE THE TIMELINES / GO PSUEDO-“DARK” (EVEN IF HE’S NOT THE “HEAT HAZE” SPECIFICALLY BUT SIMILAR) [ or like unintentionally corrupted Hibiya in a way ]

WILL HIBIYA WAKE UP NEXT ROUTE HOLDING [MOMO’S?] THE FREAKING PHONE [ IN THE PAST WE ALL THOUGHT IT’D BE HIS OWN PHONE BUT ]

- WHAT WILL HE REMEMBER (.... OR NOT) [ because even if he WAS he might not remember everything / not intentional ] - WHO DIES FIRST (HIYORI OR HIBIYA) - WHO GETS FOCUSING EYES (HIYORI OR HIBIYA) - DOES KONOHA TRY TO SAVE HIYORI OR HIBIYA FIRST OR BOTH - WHAT WILL MANGA ROUTE NEW FORM SAERU DO IN BETWEEN - (NOW THAT HE LACKS ‘KUROHA’S FORM ?) - IS THE LOST TIME MEMORY SCENE WHERE SHINTARO SAVES KUROHA AND OR KONOHA / HARUKA FROM BEING KILLED STILL IMPORTANT TOO (I’M BETTING IT IS) - ARE THERE ANY POTENTIAL ROUTES AT ALL WHERE MEKAKUSHI TRIO DON’T KNOW EACH OTHER PRIOR TO AYANO’S THEORY OF HAPPINESS [YES] (SEE: The Deceiving [novel 5], young Kano meeting young Ayano at the playground BEFORE he dies and enters the Daze / by being stabbed when still young) (SEE: Shounen Brave possibly ? ??, the period of time in between Seto drowning before he eventually revives and winds up at the orphanage (later on); later [or possibly BEFORE that in some spinoff Route[s]?] meeting Mary) (this goes for all three members of the Trio by the way, ‘that time they died before they all met Ayano / Tateyamas’ because yes this is what messes up Mekakushi Trio dynamics and can change with every route) - IS NEW ALBUM A NEW ROUTE OR IS IT PART OF CURRENT MUSIC ROUTE CONTINUED [FORMER SEEMS LIKELY] - IS MEKAKUCITY RELOAD (WHEN IT HAPPENS TOO) A NEW ROUTE OR IS IT PART OF ANIME ROUTE CONTINUED [THE FORMER SEEMS LIKELY] - WILL ANYTHING ELSE BE ANNOUNCED COME AUGUST 15TH [LIKELY] - WAS MOMO [AND/OR KONOHA AND REST] A CATALYST EITHER WAY (IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS STILL HAPPENS) - IS MANGA ROUTE / NEW FORM SAERU DOING THINGS ON HIS OWN IN GENERAL [MAYBE?] - WHO ELSE IS IN ON THIS IF IT’S EVEN AT ALL A POSSIBILITY STILL (BECAUSE I’M HIGHLY SUSPECTING - MARY [RESETS .... ] - SETO [MAYBE] [IF HELPING MARY] [looks at novels volume 8 summaries] - HIYORI [OBVIOUSLY] - A Y A N O)

LITERALLY AYANO LITERALLY TALKS TO HIBIYA IN THE DAZE [IN NOVELS, MANGA KIND OF?, AND MCA TOO]

AYANO YOU COULD HAVE TOLD HIM ABOUT THE FREAKING PHONE !!!

BONUS THE NTH (MORE...): - Otsukimi Recital is like an “Extra Edition” type of song - Shounen Brave is/was “Episode ?” - other episode ?s: Shinigami Record, Dead and Seek [Kenjirou, also Saeru], Ene’s Cyber Journey [Route XX Ene?] - other extra edition type songs: Toumei Answer [Ayano & Shintaro], Yuukei Yesterday [Haruka & Takane], Yobanashi Deceive [Kano]* is technically listed but isn’t included in the main/first Music Route, neither was Toumei Answer?, Ayano’s Theory of Happiness*, Otsukimi Recital* ..... .... because maybe they are “interfering with the Routes” type songs ?

BONUSES THE NTH (AGAIN): - we’re confirmed to [eventually] be getting an “Additional Memory” song [note that’s the title for the Saeru!Hibiya involved mini-arc in Manga Route] [even if it doesn’t center completely on Hibiya, well....]

a bit from ‘Additional Memory’ (I)? summary:

Ayano asked when the snake entered Hibiya’s body, to which he answered from the very start, long before he killed “Concealing Eyes” and met Ayano. He continued that this body was a “miss”. It was good that the boy who didn’t have any wish began to have a desire to “save the girl”, but it was a little bit immature. Regardless that the snake was a being that eats up “desire”, that wish causes him a sour stomach. “[LONG BEFORE HIBIYA (&SAERU)] [MET AYANO]”

^ “THE BOY WHO DIDN’T HAVE ANY WISH”

^ “A DESIRE” TO “SAVE THE GIRL”

^ ok but why the HECK would it be “IMMATURE” if Hibiya ALWAYS WANTED TO SAVE HIYORI FROM THE START and WHAT DOES SAERU MEAN “DIDN’T HAVE ANY WISH”

..... unless .....

... if SAVING HIYORI alone isn’t a strong enough wish ......

... and in the beginning of some routes SAVE HIYORI alone wasn’t his wish .....

what if it eventually [slowly] becomes [over time] “SAVE MOMO [TOO]”, “SAVE KONOHA [TOO]”, “SAVE EVERYONE [TOO]”

(some Saeru somewhere, probably: “oh, NOW his wish is strong enough”) (mangaverse New Form Saeru: [takes advantage of all of this])

a bit from ‘Additional Memory II’ summary:

Ayano questioned the snake: “You can’t do anything without using Hibiya-kun’s body right?.” Then suddenly, Hibiya regained his self consciousness, asking if Hiyori was alright!? He seemed very happy to see Hiyori. He was very worried that he could never meet her again… Then he was shocked to see the situation and tried to break out of Konoha’s hold. The snake used that chance to break out of the window, of course without forgetting to smirk at the kids: “Didn’t say I no one can stop this anymore?."

..... [later]

Hiyori finally reached their place, just to see Hibiya cry and say "I’m sorry” right before her eyes. http://fuyuyuu.tumblr.com/post/167573767600/

..... i’m done (sorry)

#kagecrack #outer science #kagepro: theories #kagepro theme: comparisons #hibiya amamiya #kagerou #saeru #momo kisaragi #konoha #hiyori asahina #saeru hibiya #(ayano tateyama)#(mary kozakura)#(kousuke seto)#otsukimi recital #hibimomo #(...maaaaybe)#(not intentionally ok)#(maybe unrequited because loops?)#hibihiyo #(that too)#(anyway if you want to skip all that above go to the end for more important things)#(LIKE WHAT CAN HAPPEN NEXT ROUTE AND IN WHICH ORDERS)#(i'll have to do that in Konoha's State of the World parallels postings though since they relate more to that)#(but yeah Ayano why Ayano literally why you HAVE to have known about at least some of those things)#(basically 'what are the common elements to each route concerning Hibiya and or Hiyori')#(AND HOW DO THEY CHANGE WITH EACH ROUTE)#(anyway i'm sorry drops Hibiya theories every two years or so until I disappear into the void again at least until August 15th)#(there's some other things to pay attention to too .... also I want to re compare Outer Science to like. everything again)#(... will i regret this. the answer is 'yes')

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