#“hey i think i was supposed to be born amab so i could be a trans woman” and lily was straight away like “yes that is an egg” and like
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any other trans people look back at shit from before you'd figured out your identity where you expressed desire to connect with your agab in a very extreme way and get hit hard with the "oh my god i used to love my agab clearly this whole trans thing is wrong" and then 5 minutes later realise "wait a minute, wasn't i repressing every thought i had back then and also severely mentally unwell" or is that just me
#wow @ me next time#ftm#trans#i also had one recently where i was watching lily alexander's yt vid on mogai and some young gender questioning tumblr user anonymously sai#“hey i think i was supposed to be born amab so i could be a trans woman” and lily was straight away like “yes that is an egg” and like#i literally had that exact belief for a few years lmao#thanks for coming to my ted (tag) talk
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I saw your post about AMAB Enbies and how non-binary isn’t a monolith and wanted to say I appreciated seeing it. As a 25-year-old socially anxious, autistic, and ADHD AMAB enby person, it’s hard for me not to feel like a lot of trans and LGBT spaces treat me like a fox in the henhouse, especially when there are physical attributes I can’t change, like my height and build, and how “manly” things like my hands and face are. I can’t exactly change my facial structure, nor do I think it’d be authentic to myself if I did or could. (Apparently, it’s a problem to have a well-kempt and styled beard?)
Unfortunately, when I interact with the local trans community, most conversations circle around whether I’m planning on medically transitioning or “getting some work done.” I don’t feel like I have something to transition to; I just need to work on improving my physical and mental health. They also often ask if I’m happy with my style/aesthetics, which I’m not. But it often feels like a catty jab because, one, who has the money for a professional boy-mode-ish wardrobe, a boy-mode/family-safe wardrobe, AND a gender-affirming wardrobe? There is some overlap between those three concepts, I know, but still… I can’t wear a tank top, fun/crazy button-up, and a pair of khaki booty shorts in an office setting, or god forbid, around parents or certain friends. XwX
A lot of my autistic and ADHD tics were “corrected” in harmful ways that have made me more restrained and subdued to a point where my excitement might seem a bit disconcerting at times. I used to talk with my hands a lot and fidget a lot, but since it wasn’t something “good boys” did, the behavior was “corrected” by my parents and the community I grew up in. I’m always kinda anxious and paranoid now in groups of semi-strangers that I’ll make a major faux pas and everyone will hate me or dogpile in correcting me.
Anyway, thanks for letting me ramble in your asks. I just wanted to say thank you for speaking out because some of us are afraid to. ^^;
hey i just wanted to say thanks for sending this ask! i really appreciate it because it irks me that people just participate in this behavior and act like that's what's to be expected or right. it's not okay, and i'm sorry you have firsthand experience with this, but i absolutely do not blame you at all whatsoever. it's fucked up that a lot of spaces for people who fall outside of the gender binary are beginning to police AGAB which is just. absolutely outrageous behavior from a community that is supposed to embrace and celebrate diversity in identity and how we experience gender outside of the binary...
but instead toxic people become obsessed with the biological sex binary. i don't know how to put it any other way than it is transphobic as fuck to say you don't feel safe around an entire group of people with/born with one specific genitals. their genitals have nothing to do you with you! nothing! those are their genitals, leave them the fuck alone! this is LITERALLY the "we don't give a fuck about AGAB" community and bioessentialists and transphobic queers are loudly and proudly excommunicating anyone from the community who was born assigned male at birth or has a penis in general.
i'm sorry to hear that people are so uptight about your body and physical appearance. the thing is that we are supposed to be embracing diversity in our bodies and appearances and experiences but yet they see someone who is... tall? or has a defined chin? or an adam's apple? or dense muscle tissue? or facial hair, like you mentioned? and suddenly they're... a threat? what the hell is this? it's transphobia, that's what it is!
you shouldn't have to transition if you don't want to. the thing about being non binary is that you presenting that way, especially if it's how you want to present, is literally challenging and stepping outside of the gender binary as we know it today. you are not required to go over the top and be the most femme person to have ever walked the earth. you're not required to have surgeries done or take hormones or dress different or change your voice... you don't have to change anything about you that you don't want to. that's one of the core principles of the trans community and we are letting down such a massive part of our family by behaving this way.
you really hit the nail on the head by bringing up your tics. i am so sorry that you have to deal with that worry- a LOT of people who are hostile toward amab transfems, trans women, and transfemmes in general target them specifically because of their mental health and/or neurodivergence. i've noticed this in person, especially if the amab non binary person in question has a loud voice and doesn't notice or has hearing damage and has to speak loudly, if they have tics as you mentioned, if they talk a lot or enjoy long conversations, if they try to explain... anything, people will target them for being "hostile" or for "arguing" when they're doing nothing wrong
people have gotten too comfortable in calling people with these features, especially people with deep voices, facial/body hair and penises, make someone "scary" or "dangerous". people are literally gladly applying radfem logic to the nonbinary community and not questioning it. radfems are attempting to rope in nonbinary afab people as they view them as "confused women," so the more we support this behavior, the more we lose grasp on our own family and community. we can't allow people to think this is okay behavior
i don't understand why people are okay with cis butch women but not okay with butch or gender non conforming transfems, trans women and amab trans people. i despise the notion that amab and intersex people can't be gender non conforming. why is gender non conformity reserved for afab people? has everyone forgotten (or patently ignored) the rich history of amab non binary and gender non conforming people we've had over the many decades of recorded history throughout our community in this modern era?
amab people should be allowed in these spaces, because there are just as many ways for amab people to step outside of the gender binary as there are afab and intersex people. everyone is capable of stepping outside of the binary for their identity and nobody has the right to police what that looks like. nobody. if one genuinely has trauma being around people of certain body types, seeking some type of therapy is crucial, because this is projecting one person's specific trauma on to an entire group of people, and it's spreading like wildfire and becoming the default in these spaces
this is not an attempt to derail, but rather to point out that this affects ALL trans people: fearing these traits in any person of any agab affects trans men, transmascs, intersex people, and other trans people in general. someone can have these features for a variety of reasons. also, if we're leaving out trans men & mascs, and we're leaving out trans women & femmes, AND we're leaving out AMAB people in general... how the HELL is that a trans community? there's no community to be had there whatsoever! that's an echo chamber! that's a radfeminist belief breeding ground!
we cannot let radfems and transmisogynist let nonbinary spaces become "gender non conforming women, afab trans people and people with a vagina only" spaces, because at what point, why are you calling it the nonbinary community? people need to be brutally honest and call those spaces women's spaces, or EXPLICITLY tell people that they are made only for people assigned female at birth. that wouldn't be ideal but it would at least make this transparent so people would know to avoid that and possibly start up their own safer spaces for ALL trans people
leaving out amab trans people no matter how they identify means your space is not safe for ALL trans people. it needs to be safe for every trans person no matter what they were assigned at birth. we are failing a huge portion of our community for no reason other than for people to project their trauma onto a group of people that haven't hurt them. we can't let down our family like that. it affects us all. we are stronger together and the nonbinary communities become more nuanced and develop better resources and enable all trans voices as opposed to 1 very specific type of trans person
thank you for this ask, sorry for such a long winded reply but i am so sick of people being awful to amab trans people in general. you deserve to be able to be non binary openly and talk about it with other queer people. i hope you're able to find safer spaces to be who you are, you deserve that just like any other queer person. you don't deserve to feel like you're walking on eggshells the entire time you're around other nonbinary people because you were assigned a different sex at birth, and you have different genitals than they do... that's literally antithetical to transness as a concept and queer community on the whole
you don't have to adhere to a strict binary just because you are amab and trans, i hate how people tell you and other folks in your shoes those exact things. you know who you are, you are a non binary person, and i hope more people begin to challenge this behavior and speak up for others, because this is literally not queer community. this is petty infighting being influenced by transmisogynist politics that does not belong. that has nothing to do with queer community, that is an attempt by radfems to disassemble our community at every possible level.
please for the love of god stop giving them that. it's hurting us all
#asks#answers#amab enby#amab nonbinary#transfemme#transfeminine#trans neutral#non binary#nonbinary#transfem#agender#genderless#gender neutral#neutrois#genderfluid#bigender#multigender#genderqueer#gender non conforming#gender non conformity#transgender#trans#lgbtqia#lgbtq#lgbt#lgbt community#queer community#trans community#nonbinary community#our writing
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twst incorrect quotes but it's just my various yuu ocs (plus twst ocs). just a warning, this'll be a long one.
yume asta:
Yume Asta: Hey, Ace? Can I get some dating advice? Ace: Just because I’m with Deuce doesn’t mean I know how I did it.
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Yume Asta: If Ace and I were drowning, who would you save? Deuce: You two can’t swim? Ace: It’s a hypothetical question, Deuce! who would you save? Deuce: my time and effort.
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*The group is getting into the car* Yume Asta: I’m driving. Alexander Goldenheart, out of view: Shotgun! Sue Times, turning to face Alexander G: Aww! But you had it on the way here- Everyone except Alexander G: WOAH- Alexander G, holding a shotgun: No! I found a shotgun! And I want the front seat! *Pumps gun*
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Yume Asta: If I accidentally sat on a voodoo doll of myself, would I be trapped forever in that position, doomed to starve to death? Alexander G: How am I supposed to know? Sue Times: You say, as if we don’t use you as a source of knowledge of the occult. Alexander G: *sighs* Alexander G: You wouldn't be trapped.
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Yume Asta, holding a python: Guys I impulsively bought a snake, what do I name him Riddle: You did WHAT– Epel: William Snakepeare
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Yume Asta: HELP! I TOLD EPEL I’D COOK DINNER TONIGHT BUT I CAN’T COOK! Riddle, pouring milk directly into the cereal bag: And you thought I could help?
-- (don't worry, yume can cook)
Yume Asta: In my defense, I was left unsupervised. Silver: Wasn't Sebek with you? Sebek: In my defense, I was also left unsupervised.
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Yume Asta: What do you think Silver will do for a distraction? Sebek: He’ll probably, like, make a noise or throw a rock. That’s what I would do. *Building explodes and several car alarms go off* Sebek: ... or he could do that.
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Yume Asta: It’s dark in here Kalim: Don’t worry dude I got this Kalim: *Stomps their feet* Kalim: *Skechers light up*
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Yume Asta: Do you have any skeletons in your closet? Kalim: You mean literally or figuratively? Yume Asta: Honestly, the fact that I have to specify...
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yume rosalia:
Yume Rosalia: *Trying to fill out legal paperwork stuff* Were you guys born AMAB or AFAB? Cater: Bold of you to assume I was born at all. Idia: I personally was created in a lab. Ortho: I just straight up spawned lol.
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Yume Rosalia: I currently have 7 empty notebooks and I have no clue what to put in them. Suggestions? Cater: Put spaghetti in it. Yume Rosalia: I'm currently taking suggestions from literally anyone but you. Idia: Put spaghetti in it. Yume Rosalia: I'm currently taking suggestions from anyone but you two. Ortho: Put spaghetti in it. Yume Rosalia: I'm no longer taking suggestions.
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Yume Rosalia: Yo is Malleus sleeping or dead? Leona: Hopefully dead, I hated their guts. Azul: Yeah, so did I. Malleus: Okay first of all, fuck you-
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Yume Rosalia: *Gently taps table* Leona: *Taps back* Azul: What are they doing? Malleus: Morse code. Yume Rosalia: *Aggressively taps table* Leona: *Slams hands down* YOU TAKE THAT BACK-
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Yume Rosalia: Fitness tip: never stop pushing yourself. Some say 8 hours of sleep is enough. Why not keep going? Why not 9? Why not 10? Strive for greatness. Lilia: Next time you’re working out do 15 push ups instead of 10. Run 3 miles instead of 2. Eat a whole cake instead of just a slice. Burn your ex’s house down. You can do it. I believe in you. Silver: There were so many mixed messages in that I can’t-
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Yume Rosalia, to Lilia: My life is in the hands of an idiot! Lilia, motioning to themself and Silver: No no no no no, TWO idiots!
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Yume Rosalia: Remember when you didn't try to solve all your problems with attempted murder? Malleus: Stop romanticizing the past.
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Yume Rosalia: Malleus... Why did you draw a pentagram on the floor? Malleus: Your text told me to satanize the house before you returned. Yume Rosalia: Yume Rosalia: I wrote sanitize, Malleus.
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silvester hatter:
Silvester Hatter: Is stabbing someone immoral? Grim: Not if they consent to it. Ace: Depends who you’re stabbing. Deuce: YES?!?
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Silvester Hatter: Grim, I'm sad. Grim: *Holds out arms for a hug* It’s going to be okay. Ace: Deuce, I'm sad. Deuce, nodding: mood.
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Silvester Hatter: God, give me patience. Harper Pendragon (TWST!Howl): I think you mean 'give me strength'. Silvester Hatter: If God gave me strength, you'd be dead.
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Silvester Hatter: I know you’re deflecting by making jokes about how hot you are. Harper Pendragon: It’s not a joke. Harper Pendragon: *sniffles* Harper Pendragon: I’m a legit snack.
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Silvester Hatter: Do you ever want to talk about your emotions, Riddle? Riddle: … No. Trey: I do! Silvester Hatter: I know, Trey. Trey: I’m sad! Silvester Hatter: I know, Trey.
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Silvester Hatter: Riddle and I were crossing the street, and this dude drove by and honked at us Trey: *Sighing* What did Riddle do? Silvester Hatter: He chased him to the next red light, then reached into his window and... Riddle: Who wants a steering wheel?
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Silvester Hatter: If you had to choose between Idia and all the money I have in my wallet, which would you choose? Ortho: That depends, how much money are we taking about? Idia: Ortho! Silvester Hatter: 63 cents. Ortho: I'll take the money. Idia: ORTHO!!!
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Silvester Hatter: So, what, now I’m just supposed to do anything that Idia does? I mean, what if they jumped off a cliff? Ortho: If Idia were to jump off a cliff, they would’ve done their due diligence regarding the height of the cliff, the depth of the water, and the angle of entry, so yes. If you see Idia jump off a cliff, by all means, jump off a cliff. Silvester Hatter: You jump off a cliff! Ortho: Gladly. Provided Idia did first.
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yuu:
Yuu, negotiating with Jamil: We have Ruggie. Give us ten thousand dollars and they will be returned to you unharmed Ruggie: Whoa, whoa, wait, you think I’m only worth ten thousand dollars? Yuu: Ruggie: MAKE IT ONE MILLION– Yuu: RUGGIE STOP
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Yuu: You have to apologize to Jamil Ruggie: Fine. Ruggie: 'Unfuck you' or whatever.
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Yuu: We need to get through this locked door. Jack, give me your credit card. Jack: Here. Yuu, pocketing it: Thanks. Ace, kick down the door.
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Yuu: Here’s a fun Christmas idea. We hang mistletoe, but instead of kissing, you have to FIGHT whoever else is under it. Jack: Yuu no. Ace: Mistlefoe. Jack: Please stop encouraging them.
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Yuu: I just ended a four year relationship. Epel: Oh, I’m so sorry. Are you okay? Yuu: Hm? Oh yeah, I’m fine. It wasn’t my relationship. *Vil and Rook fighting from across the room*
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Yuu: *Screams* Epel: *Screams louder to assert dominance* Vil: Should we do something?! Rook, observing: No, I want to see who wins this.
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Yuu: Why is Riddle so sad? Jade: They took one of those “Which Character Are You?” quizzes Yuu: And...? Jade: She got Floyd.
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Yuu, about Jack: Apparently we’re getting someone new in the group. Deuce: Are we stealing them? Ace: New or used? Yuu: Wonderful responses, both of you.
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Yuu: How did none of you hear what I just said? Jack: I’ve been zoned out for the past two and a half hours. Deuce: I got distracted about halfway through. Ace: Ignoring you was a conscious decision.
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Yuu: I love you guys, you're the best thing that's happened to me. Grim: We're the best thing that's ever happened to you? Yuu: Yes! Ace: I'm starting to feel a little sorry for you.
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Yuu: In your opinion, what’s the height of stupidity? Grim: *turning to Ace* How tall are you?
#ace rambles about aus#twisted wonderland#twst oc#twst grim#twst yuu#yuusona#via technicality#oc yume asta#oc yume rosalia#oc silvester hatter#oc alexander goldenheart#oc sue times#oc harper pendragon#ace trappola#deuce spade#riddle rosehearts#epel felmier#sebek zigvolt#silver vanrouge#kalim al asim#leona kingscholar#azul ashengrotto#cater diamond#idia shroud#ortho shroud#malleus draconia#lilia vanrouge#some of my tags got deleted so i'll just reiterate the important one#riddle and ace are transfem in my aus because i felt like it that's all :3
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incorrect quotes, featuring me, drew, and ris :D most are from the incorrect quotes generator, but some i found in the wild.
drew: cryp... Why did you draw a pentagram on the floor?
cryp: Your text told me to satanize the house before you returned.
drew:
drew: I wrote sanitize, cryp
ris: In light of what you did for me, you can hug me for four to five seconds.
drew: FORTY FIVE SECONDS?!?
ris: No! Four to five seconds!
drew: Too late!!!
ris: Please bring home PURIFIED water with NO minerals added for taste
drew: We got spring water
ris: NO.
cryp: with EXTRA minerals
drew: it's like licking a stalagmite
ris: DON'T COME HOME.
cryp: Mmmmm cave water
cryp: You have to apologize to ris
drew: Fine.
drew: 'Unfuck you' or whatever.
cryp and drew are sitting on a bench
ris: Why do you guys look so sad?
cryp: Sit down with us so we can tell you.
*ris sits down*
drew: The bench is freshly painted.
cryp: Have you seen a person named 'ris' around here?
drew: Ugh, yes. They made a horrible mess of the blood fountain.
cryp: It looks fine to me?
drew: IT USED TO BE WATER!!!
drew: I currently have 7 empty notebooks and I have no clue what to put in them. Suggestions?
ris: Put spaghetti in it.
drew: I'm currently taking suggestions from literally anyone but you.
cryp: Put spaghetti in it.
drew: I'm no longer taking suggestions.
ris: You lying, cheating, piece of shit!
cryp: Oh yeah? You’re the idiot who thinks you can get away with everything you do. WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD
ris: I’m leaving you, and I’M TAKING DREW WITH ME
drew, picking up the monopoly board: I think we’re gonna stop playing now.
ris: Is stabbing someone immoral?
cryp: Not if they consent to it.
drew: Depends who you’re stabbing.
ris: the answer was supposed to be yes, but i am not disappointed
ris: *Trying to fill out legal paperwork stuff* Were you guys born AMAB or AFAB?
cryp: Bold of you to assume I was born at all.
drew: I personally was created in a lab.
ris, laughing: I just straight up spawned lol.
(this one is the exact opposite of correct and also was adapted from a 5 person one but. its so wrong its funny)
We’ve been conducting an ongoing study to see what drew will and will not eat.
cryp: Grass? Yes!
ris: Moss? Yes!!
cryp: Leaves? Ohh, yes!
ris: Shoelaces? Strange but true!
cryp: Worms? Sometimes!
ris: Rocks? Usually nah.
cryp: Twigs? Usually!
ris: 's cooking? Inconclusive!
someone listening in: How did you… test this?
ris: You just hand them stuff and say ‘eat this’ and if they eat it, they eat it.
ris: What if the person who named Walkie Talkies named everything?
cryp: Pregnancy tests are Maybe Babies
ris: Socks are Feetie Heaties
cryp: Forks are Stabby Grabbies
ris: Defibrillators are Heartie Starties
cryp: Nightmares are Dreamy Screamies
ris: Stamps are Lickie Stickies
drew, annoyed: You are disappointments
ris: Hey drew what do you want to eat
cryp, from another room: The souls of the innocent
drew: A bagel
cryp: Noooooooo
drew: 2 bagels
ris: Did cryp grab the stuff?
drew: Yeah, they say they got you the clown costume, the power drill, and 12 gallons of blood.
ris: Wow where did they find 12 gallons of fake blood?
drew: You wanted fake blood?
ris:
drew: I'll call them
cryp, walking in the door: So i may have aquired a potentially cursed item.
drew: Keyword potentially?
ris: Keyword CURSED??
cryp: I lost ris.
drew: How could you lose ris?
cryp: To be fair, they are pretty small.
or alternitvetly:
cryp: I lost drew
ris: How could you lose drew
cryo: To be fair, they are pretty small
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Ace Attorney and the Finally Kind-Of Okay Queer Representation
Note: This post contains massive spoilers for Turnabout Academy, the third case in the 3DS game Ace Attorney: Dual Destinies. There are also spoilers for a few cases in the earlier games. Please only read on if you’re okay with that.
I love Ace Attorney, but as a series it is fraught with bad queer representation. It really says something that the first queer character that I felt pretty good about was five games in. Most of this bad rep is in the form of effeminate, gay-coded men that are written as evil and/or comic relief. A brief rundown:
1) Redd White, the power-hungry CEO of Bluecorp;
2) Jean Armstrong, the cowardly café owner who lied on the stand (and who is repeatedly misgendered by the judge for comic relief);
3) Florent L’Belle, the greedy Mayor’s Aid.
All three characters are presented as a mix of negative stereotypes and bad-faith comic relief. They’re dark spots in an otherwise really fun series, and it’s made me very uncomfortable interacting with each one as I’ve played through the cases. I’ve never felt worse about Ace Attorney than when it’s punching down on gay-coded characters, all of whom were written with no redeemable qualities. I mean, two of them were the actual murderers in their respective cases! Honestly, it just sucked.
That’s why I got so excited (and also super-nervous they would botch it again) today while playing through Turnabout Academy, at the moment when one of the characters is revealed to be explicitly trans. I’ll go over the general facts and then discuss why this was a step in the right direction, but still very flawed.
In the case, Robin Newman is a high school law student and a close friend of the defendant. In the early stages of the case, Robin presents as a very masculine individual and even wears a chest brace that is supposedly proof of her manliness. This whole time, she’s represented as a very aggressive and unhappy person. But on the first day of the case, it’s revealed that she put on a feminine costume belonging to the defendant because she really wanted to wear something girly. When further pressed, she comes out in the courtroom and reveals that she’s actually a girl—the chest brace was hiding the fact that she had breasts, and her parents raised her as a boy as some terrible step in forcing her to become a prosecutor when she grew up. Afterward, she’s a very cheerful, peppy person and says that she’s grateful she finally gets to live life as a girl and pursue her dream of becoming an artist.
As a trans woman myself, I started getting really excited as soon as it became clear that Robin put on the outfit—and even more excited when it was finally revealed that she was a girl who had been raised as a boy. The first thing that tipped me off to my gender identity was wanting to wear women’s clothing, so this gender euphoria through clothing scenario was something that I could relate to on a deep emotional level. And while I got nervous at first because the blame for the murder was briefly pinned on her, that ultimately goes nowhere. This is the first queer character in an Ace Attorney game that is represented as kind, positive, and trustworthy. Robin is wonderful. I love her so much.
But now I want to dive into where parts of her portrayal are still negative, and how Capcom made several missteps that ultimately resulted in Robin not being as fleshed-out and three-dimensional as she deserved to be.
First, Robin’s reveal is still treated like comic relief at times. I was really uncomfortable when several characters said “he was a she???” or something to that effect. Given that “he-she” was once a widely used transphobic slur for trans women, it wasn’t in good taste. Also uncomfortable was the fact that as soon as the big reveal happened, she took on a bunch of hyperfeminine behavioral and vocal tics. The worst was when she started swooning every time that anything shocking happened for the rest of the time she was on the stand. It felt like this was just a way to play up the comedy side of “hey, she’s a girl now.” She was forcibly outed in the courtroom, and then magically showed no trauma or self-doubt afterward. It almost felt like she wasn’t there to be a serious character anymore. Later, she thanks Athena for outing her. I think that sends the wrong message.
What did the game do right when portraying her? I loved how visibly relieved and happy she was after coming out, though it sucks that she didn’t get to do it on her own terms. It’s later revealed that she had confided in a professor about her gender identity and had a plan to come out to the school, so that was a nice touch. I also really liked it being mentioned that she had been raised as a boy, removing most of the ambiguity about what we were seeing—that this wasn’t a self-imposed repression of her authentic self, but something that had been forced on her. They used the right pronouns for her throughout the entire rest of the case without slipping up even once, thankfully not misgendering her for laughs like they did relentlessly with Jean Armstrong two games earlier. She was also just a really pleasant character to be around afterward, so that was nice.
What would be on my wish list if I were asked to help in rewriting Robin to be a more positive example of trans representation? First, I would fix her character’s comedic behavioral tics. Most witnesses have some silly animations, but the fact that all of her tics after being outed were hyperfeminine to the point of parody made me uncomfortable. Are there other ways to make her a bit quirky and visibly feminine without punching down on her burgeoning relationship with her gender? I’m sure that there are. It would also be nice for her reaction to being out in public for the first time to be more on par with what you might actually expect if a trans woman found herself in that situation. She probably feels relieved, but also a bit scared, embarrassed, and hesitant about how she’s supposed to act now. I would love to see some of that reflected in how she talks and in how she acts. Maybe she’s daydreaming of what she can wear now that she’s out, and that’s interspersed with nervous hair-twirling and curtsying at awkward times.
I’d also like her to say something to Athena about how she wished that she wasn’t forced to come out in front of a bunch of people like that, but she’s happy that she gets to be herself. Anything other than thanking Athena for outing her with no qualifiers. The fact that she was forcibly outed needs to be portrayed as a traumatic moment. Sure, something good came out of it and Athena didn’t immediately realize that that’s where the cross-examination was going, but it shouldn’t have happened. An apology from Athena would also be nice. She should feel at least a little bit guilty about outing someone in the middle of a courtroom, even if that someone was much happier afterwards.
Finally, I’d love for there to be less ambiguity about the events that led her to this point—and ideally, something that more explicitly shows that she’s a trans woman. The way her dialogue was written, I think the writers were trying to portray her as having been assigned female at birth, but later forced by her parents to take on a male identity for…some reason. It’s never explained why they would want to inflict that on her. She’s trans regardless of her sex at birth if she was forced to live life as a boy for her entire childhood, but I think that it could be handled better. A few possibilities that I like more:
1) She was already in the middle of gender transition, and started wearing the chest brace when her breasts began to develop since she wasn’t ready to be out in public—especially to her parents, who might have cut her financial support off if they had known. After all, she was at a prestigious private legal school. That must have been a concern.
2) She was intersex, and her parents raised her as a boy when she was growing up because that’s unfortunately what happens so often with intersex children—they’re forced into one side of the binary or the other, and sometimes they find out later on that their parents didn’t make the right choice or that they don’t identify with a binary gender identity at all. Robin had breasts because she was born with both male and female sex characteristics, and try as her parents might to force her into manhood, she still had a uterus. Not every intersex person is trans, but plenty are.
3) Or just…remove the bit where she’s revealed to have breasts altogether, and keep in the fact that she’s a girl who was raised as a boy! Why does she have to be “a biological female in disguise”? While either of the above two options would have been good ways to explain the fact that she had breasts, I’m not giving the writers enough credit to have thought of one or the other. If they had, it would have been hinted at. On some level, it felt like they were saying “it’s okay everyone, she’s not really trans. Look, she had breasts all along!” If that’s what they were trying to do, then screw it; just change the reveal but nothing else about the character, and make her an unabashedly AMAB trans woman.
Anyway, those are my thoughts on the topic. I recognize that this was super long-winded, but I needed to get my thoughts out—anyone who’s interested in this and got something from the long read, I’m glad that I was able to provide some insight. And I’m not even done with the series yet! Maybe they did do better! I don’t have my hopes up, but maybe! Anyway, please feel free to reblog this post with your thoughts or message me if this inspired any opinions of your own. As long as those thoughts aren’t “Robin isn’t really trans or queer at all.” I don’t need that kind of negativity in my life.
Have a great day, everyone! And thanks for reading!
#thaumaturgethoughts#ace attorney#dual destinies#Robin Newman#trans positivity#queer representation#trans character
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That incorrect quotes generator but it’s just my OCs nobody knows anything about
Andrew: *Screams* Emily: *Screams louder to establish dominance* Ethan: Should we do something? Dylan: No, I want to see who wins.
Andrew: Am I in trouble? Emily: Take a guess. Andrew: No? Emily: Take another guess.
Andrew: *Gently taps table* Emily: *Taps back* Dylan: What are they doing? Ethan: Morse code. Andrew: *Aggressively taps table* Emily: *Slams hands down* YOU TAKE THAT BACK-
Dylan: It’s dark in here Andrew: Don’t worry dude, I got this Andrew: *Stomps his feet* Andrew: *Skechers light up* Dylan: *about to fucking strangle him*
Dylan: Am I going too far? Emily: No, no, no. You went too far about seven hours ago. Now you're going to prison.
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(Also, PLEASE ask me about my OCs. I wanna talk about them so fucking bad)
Andrew: Is stabbing someone immoral? Emily: Not if they consent to it. Dylan: Depends on who you’re stabbing. Ethan: YES?!?
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Cop: You’re receiving a ticket for having three people on one motorcycle. Andrew: Shit. Emily: Wait, three? Cop: Yeah? Ethan: OH MY GOD, DYLAN FELL OFF!!!
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Andrew: I think we're missing something. Emily: Teamwork? Dylan: Cohesion? Ethan: A general sense of what we’re doing?
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Andrew: I currently have 7 empty notebooks and I have no clue what to put in them. Suggestions? Emily: Put spaghetti in it. Andrew: I'm currently taking suggestions from literally anyone but you. Dylan: Put spaghetti in it. Andrew: I'm currently taking suggestions from anyone but you two. Ethan: Put spaghetti in it. Andrew: I'm no longer taking suggestions.
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Ethan: Emily, I'm sad. Emily: *Holds out arms for a hug* It’s going to be okay. Dylan: Andrew, I'm sad. Andrew, nodding: mood.
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Andrew: *Trying to fill out legal paperwork stuff* Were you guys born AMAB or AFAB? Emily: Bold of you to assume I was born at all. Dylan: I personally was created in a lab. Ethan: I just straight up spawned.
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Andrew: Hah! 69! You know what that means? Emily: What? Dylan: That you're a child. Ethan: HOW'D YOU GUESS DYLAN'S IQ!?
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Andrew, Ethan, and Dylan are sitting on a bench Emily: Why do you guys look so sad? Andrew: Sit down with us so we can tell you. *Emily sits down* Ethan: The bench is freshly painted.
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Andrew, setting down a card: Ace of spades Emily, pulling out an Uno card: +4 Dylan, pulling out a Pokémon card: Jolteon, I choose you Ethan, trembling: What are we playing
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Andrew: Can I be frank with you guys? Emily: Sure, but I don’t see how changing your name is gonna help. Ethan: Can I still be Ethan? Dylan: Shh, let Frank speak.
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Andrew: Everyone, synchronize your watches. Emily: I don’t know how to do that. Dylan: I don’t wear a watch. Ethan: Time is a construct.
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Andrew: I think Emily was right. Ethan: I'm surprised she hasn't marched in here to say 'I told you so.' Dylan: She wouldn't do that. Emily: You're right, Dylan. For once in your life, you're 100% right. I would never say that. Emily: *turns around, the shirt she's wearing says 'Emily Told You So' on the back*
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*Andrew is cooking* Emily: Any chance that’s for me? Andrew: It’s for Ethan. I’m planning on making some bad choices tonight, and I need him on my side. Dylan: I never realized the forethought that went into being a disappointment.
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Ethan: Physically, yes, I could fight a bird. But emotionally? Imagine the toll.
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Andrew: Goodnight moon. Andrew: Goodnight tree. Andrew: Goodnight ghosts that only I can see. The other three: *sweating nervously*
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Dylan: You wanna see how hardcore I am? Dylan: *punches wall* Dylan: Dylan: Take me to the hospital.
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Emily: I’m going to defeat you with the power of friendship! ...And this knife I found.
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Andrew: Died and came back as a cowboy, I call that reintarnation. Dylan: *this close to snapping*
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Andrew: Dear friends, your Christmas gift this year… is me. That’s right, another year of friendship. Your membership has been renewed.
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Emily: What doesn't kill me should run because now I'm fucking pissed.
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Andrew: Well, well, well... if it isn’t my old friend: the dawning realization that I fucked up bad.
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Dylan: So apparently the 'bad vibes' I’ve been feeling are actually severe psychological distress
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Ethan: I’m sick and tired of being called 'mortal' like, you don’t know that. Neither do I. I have never died even ONCE. Nothing has been proven yet. Stop making assumptions. It’s rude.
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Dylan: I’ve come to a point in my life where I need a stronger word than fuck
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Any of the others: You're my best friend, I would do anything for you. Emily: I want you to eat three meals a day and have a decent sleep schedule. Any of the others: Absolutely not.
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Ethan: I know you’re deflecting by making jokes about how hot you are. Andrew: It’s not a joke. Andrew: *sniffles* Andrew: I’m a legit snack.
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Dylan: You know, I'm starting to regret showing you how that blender works. Andrew, drinking toast: Why do you say that?
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Dylan: I am not out of control! I'm a law-abiding citizen! Emily: Really? Name one law Dylan: Don't kill people? Emily: That's on me. I set the bar too low.
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Emily: Okay, truth or dare? Any of the others: Truth Emily: How many hours have you slept this week? Any of the others: Any of the others: ...Dare Emily: Go to bed. Any of the others: I don’t like this game.
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Andrew: What if the 'g' in 'gif' is silent? Dylan: Go the fuck to sleep Andrew: What gif I don't want to? Dylan: Fuck You
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Ethan: I'm incredibly fast at math. Andrew: Alright, what's 30x17? Ethan: 47 Andrew: That's not even close. Ethan: But it was fast.
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Andrew, watching the news: Someone tried to fight a squid at the aquarium today! Dylan: *walks in covered with ink* Well, maybe the squid was being a dick.
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Ethan: Today is a day of running through hurdles. Emily: Aren’t you supposed to jump OVER hurdles? Ethan: Whatever. Fear is only something to be afraid of if you let it scare you.
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Andrew: I was arrested for being too cool. Ethan: The charges were dropped due to a lack of supporting evidence.
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Andrew: Fuck. Emily: We've got to work on your cursing. Andrew: Why? I'm pretty good at cursing already.
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Ethan: Hey, you want some leftovers? Dylan: What's that? Ethan: You've never had leftovers??? Dylan: No, because I'm not a quitter.
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i like botw's story because it's my favorite version of princess zelda, but two things would make it Way better: 1. like you said, motivated ganon! maybe expanding on zelda becoming more empathetic over time and ending up sympathizing with him. 2. make zelda the player character. link is her Supportive Friend in the flashbacks already, so i think it would be a lot more powerful if she slowly understood who she was, met her ghost-dad, and vowed to save the friend who was always there for her.
I have a lot of feelings about BotW!Zelda, particularly the idea of her building some sort of relationship with Ganon. I feel like there could have been a lot of interesting parallels between them, especially since it seems like Ganondorf was in sort of a similar position to her.
He was born into an extremely high-ranking positions with a lot of responsibilities, expectations, and pressure thrust upon him from a young age. Not to mention what an amab kid his age would have had to deal with in a society full of lonely women who don’t really know how to interact with men. That might be great if you’re one of the types of guys who hang out around Gerudo Town, but Ganondorf never really struck me as the sort of guy who was interested in women that way, or the sort of guy who’d be interested in having kids. (I get the feeling that one of the reasons he stormed out of the desert in FSA was because he was approaching the age where people expected him to get married, regardless of if he was ready or how he felt about the suitor in question. He seemed perfectly happy lording over species who give him all the perks of kingship without any of the expectations attached.)
Either way, whatever he was supposed to be as the Gerudo King, he pretty clearly failed miserably at. However, instead of imploding and blaming himself for being a “failure” like Princess Zelda did, he exploded. If people weren’t going to let him be who he wanted, then he’d make them just as miserable as he was. That built-up rage and bitterness ended up turning him into some kind of onryo, haunting Hyrule on a regular basis for thousands of years. He’s become so warped by his own resentment that he’s become unrecognizable, turning into this protean entity that just adapts, adapts, adapts to whatever his enemies throw at him rather than having a coherent history or sense of self. He hasn’t gained anything from it. His whole family is dead, and the descendants of his people don’t want anything to do with him. He got his wish in nobody controlling him, but he also gave up virtually all interpersonal attachments to do so and has been digging himself into this hole for millennia.
Given that Zelda was another person who felt trapped by the role she was born into, it would have been neat if her path was more about exploring the concept of Power-as-agency. If we could have seen her starting to assert herself and come out from under her father’s thumb, realizing that he’s fallible and scared and has no idea what’s actually best for her, or even how her powers work. However, she’d also have to find a middle road, learning how to acknowledge and express her anger at the way she’d been treated without letting her rage and bitterness take over, or becoming like Ganon and swinging wildly over to the other end of the spectrum, blaming everyone else for her problems and lashing out to keep others from hurting or controlling her ever again.
And then there’s the idea of the cycle being broken not by fitting those roles perfectly and attacking the big bad monster, but by actually reaching out to said big bad monster and saying, “Hey, I hate this too. Let’s work together and try to get out of this rut we’ve been stuck in for the past 10,000 years.” The ending of BotW felt way too much like Link and Zelda just shoving Ganon into a box for him to come back to haunt future generations.
tl;dr Both Ganon and Zelda were a couple of miserable failures, and they could have gotten a lot more out of bonding over that fact and figuring out who they were outside of their family’s expectations instead of just attacking each other.
Also, Rhoam needed to actually apologize to his daughter instead of taking the coward’s way out by telling Link to save her and then fucking off to the afterlife.
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