#“The Holmes of the Heisei Era”
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juridical-angel-blog · 6 days ago
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Special Poster Anime ''Detective Conan - The Detective Students_Shinichi Kudo & Heiji Hattori''!
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birdmenmanga · 28 days ago
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"reiwa holmes" sounds like shit so even if it IS the reiwa era I am still saying heisei holmes LMAO
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astral-nautica · 1 year ago
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Its kinda funny that the series has been going on for so long that Shinichi can't be called the "Heisei Holmes" anymore (we entered the Reiwai Era in 2019)
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runawaycarouselhorse · 14 days ago
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Even Shinichi's title as the Heisei Holmes is dated, because Japan's in the Reiwa era now, as the emperor changed!
(Similarly, Pokemon also had jokes about this, even though it like DetCo operates on comic book time and in-universe, not much time passed and characters aren't officially aging, there's been one Kid's Day episode, one Girl's Day episode, [although there's miltiple not in the same continuity Christmas specials], much like DetCo, as if it's one loooong year... Gou fails to recognize a pay phone! A phonebooth! Nyasu/Meowth despairs, "Kids these days don't know what a phonebooth is!" The TRio once annoyed their Boss calling him from one and doing their whole introduction inside one!)
A very romantic early DetCo scene had Conan call Ran from a phonebooth...
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(Another easter egg in Pokemon had Satoshi/Ash's birth listed as Heisei and one of his same age group rivals as Reiwa, even if in-universe, they're both preteens at the same time, aha.)
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Last two caps from this fine post (which also includes Satoshi/Ash not knowing what a smartphone is...), and also, while not technically official, here's fanart by head animator Shinohara Takashi who joined during Best Wishes! rendition of Iris having to learn how to use a smartphone before the Masters 8/World Coronation Series. I translated it here.
Man. I've been binging Detective Conan for the last month or so and what's fascinating to me about it is how since it's a 30 year old series during one of the times of the most extensive technological advances within the last 200 years. You can see the way the cases are affected by the advancement of technology as well, it's crazy.
Early episodes had things like floppy discs and voice mail machines be key pieces of evidence, what did it matter if Shinichi showed his face a time or two? That could be smoothed over with just asking those present to not talk about it. Phones were evidence mainly because of who called but not too much else. The biggest clues for the black org were a floppy disc with a diary on it and a code based on dial sounds on a flip phone.
Now? Shinichi shows his face even once and it gets on a photo, it's *all* over because that's how the internet works! Evidence on phones now includes extensive camera history, and being able to see with a zoom on a phone camera. These are all cases that couldn't work early on because these things weren't even around in the early days or wouldn't be as big!
It's such a cool demonstration about how technology affects mystery stories, and how it changes as time goes on! I know some people find the slow pace of the story annoying (I don't blame them) but I find it fascinating just what that does to the narrative being told and how much technology plays into murder mysteries.
This also just a few examples regarding what's commonly discussed as advances, but they have so many other things they refer to in the series as new advances in forensics that have such an impact. I'd love to write an actual essay on this concept, not just with Detective Conan but mystery stories as a whole and this impact.
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katiehwang · 3 years ago
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OK ok guysss. So just now I was scrolling through YouTube as usual, but then I saw this one scene:
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And!! It just struck me like WHY DID SHINICHI LOOK SO SICK AND IN PAIN HERE?? Ok I'm not and idiot, I know he's supposed to be in pain but! I just realize how good the animator portrayed his condition right here.
He's in pain both emotionally (because of Ran) and physically (he got shot duh). And it got me curious, like how did they do that? I mean, at least to me, he didn't look very pale (ok maybe a bit, but the colour scheme from this era was pale anyway) , and we can't see blue lips or whatever, and he's not even sweating, which is how Gosho portray his condition in the manga:
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But somehow the anime!Shinichi looks more uhhhh... in pain (damn I love my vast vocabs).
Then I realize he probably looks like this because of the shadow on his face. At first I thought the shadow was his eye bag or something. So I thought it was pretty cool, how much adding a shadow can add more weight to the facial expressions. I am no writer, but I know there are a lot of fictions that I read, that also explained the characters emotion by saying something like "there's a shadow on his face" arghh I don't remember the exact sentence, but it does tells us a lot about a certain situation. And I did some more searching to see, whether these are all just a coincidence and the DC animators just actually love adding shadow to the characters face, but nope!
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Here is Shinichi in his full sunshine glory! No shadow (which makes sense for the first picture since it's bright, but the second one is indoor). These two images of Shinichi here is the confident and brilliant Kudou Shinichi. There are still some shadow between his hair to make it realistic, but it's not enough to cover his face. But here:
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It's the mysterious (and cunning) Kudou Shinichi in his "you better not go against me" glory. The shadow cover his face, and he looks veryy much like the (hot) Heisei Holmes everyone has been talking about.
Uhhh wait how did we go from the heartbreaking Desperate Revival to this? Nahhh it's okay. I've got no clear goals other than appreciating the animator and Shinichi's beauty (I mean look at him!). Sorry this is too longg but why not?
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56thingsinaname · 3 years ago
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Ok so ?!?!?!?!?!?
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In it he says
平成 which either means- (peace, tranquility) or the Heisei period
Then he says
シャーロック- which is Sherlock, no surprise there
So that’s one sentence that says
平成のシャーロック- which I assume is either
Sherlock (in or during) the Heisei period.
Or
Sherlock is peace
The first makes more sense, but I could imagine Shinichi saying the second as well
Next is (ホームズにな)
ホームズ- which is Holmes, again no surprise
Then it’s the にな which I honestly have no ideas
I think it’s like に which is a placement marker or something similar, then な, which is very similar to ね at the end of a sentence.
So maybe it (becoming or to Holmes)
Which would mean that I didn’t translate the first sentence completely correctly.
So maybe the sentences roughly translates to, “he was called Sherlock in the Heisei era. But that changed to Holmes.”
Maybe?
-I need to go back and reread the entire part, see if it starts to make sense to me
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justiceraffles · 4 years ago
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Hey! I loved your analysis on the gosho boys and fiction, it was a great read!
—as a little side note, I’d like to tell you shinichi and Kaito were both ‘heisei Holmes’ and ‘heisei lupin’ respectively. It’s just when the era changed in 2019 iirc, both of them became ‘reiwa’ — I believe I read somewhere the change happened during m23 but I may be wrong
Hey! Detective fiction is a topic I really like talking about so I’m glad it was interesting to read, haha. 
And oooh, thank you so much for the clarification! I wasn’t sure about this at all so I just went with what I remembered seeing around the most. I’ll keep it in mind for the future.
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angelpinut · 6 years ago
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It was the last day of Heisei and now the start of the Reiwa era! A dedication for both of Heisei Holmes and Lupin who have become Reiwa Holmes and Lupin :D
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letitrainasunnyday · 5 years ago
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Hi. I just looked up the 24th movie online, and I saw someone saying that it’s the first movie showing in the Reiwa period. I got curious and found that the period before that is Heisei era. And until now Shinichi’s been referred to as the Heisei Holmes. But now that it’s the new era, does it mean that he’s no longer referred to as the Heisei Holmes but as the Reiwa Holmes? What do you think? (personally, I prefer Heisei Holmes...)
I don’t really care??? 
Honestly, I’ve never in my life referred to Shinichi as the “Heisei Holmes” and it’s been literally YEARS since someone called him by that alias in the manga/anime. It’s “High School Detective Shinichi Kudo” more often than not, mostly because I understand “Heisei Holmes” being a big thing when the manga first came out iN THE NINETIES Jesus Christ but now it’s just like.... okay whatever 
I honestly don’t think they’ll change it to Reiwa Holmes because it’s not that big a deal anymore. But, quite frankly, it doesn’t bother me at all. 
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raventhekittycat · 6 years ago
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To answer the question of whether or not Shinichi would continue to be referred to as the Heisei Holmes after the the era change or be updated to Reiwa Holmes it got updated. This is the cover of the June 2019 Animedia featuring the movie Detective Conan: The Fist of Blue Sapphire.
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gidister · 6 years ago
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Start of a new era in Japan
So they just announced the name of the new imperial era in Japan. The emperor is abdicating and his son will take the throne in May. Reiwa = Hope Era
A bit of nice name for the era after Heisei. (Achieving Peace Era) But I can’t help but get just a bit worried of one thing. What does it mean for Detective Conan?
Is Shinichi/Conan going to stay the Heisei Holmes?  It would be very stupid if they change it suddenly to Reiwa Holmes or both era names. He was made in the middle of the Heisei and everyone knows him as that. It should go to someone else.
But who will take the name? Well it would be nice if a different series later in this new era will take the name of Reiwa Holmes. Much like what Detective Conan did with Heisei. But I fear that the editors/anime crew will be stupid and trying inserting a new character that will be Reiwa Holmes in Detective Conan. The only way, I feel, that it would be appropriate for them to introduce a Reiwa Holmes in Detective Conan would be in either two things: 1. Epilogue- We see the characters years after the end game with the fall of organization. Shinichi is a bigshot detective and is called the Heisei Holmes. Hattori is pissed. He runs into a child much like him at that age that wishes to be a better detective than him. Or we learn that Shinichi’s child wants to be an even greater detective than his father. 2. Spinoff Series- Much like Boruto, we get a series (probably not done by Gosho) that follows the adventures of this new era Holmes. I hope that this doesn’t happen at all. But if it does, I want it AFTER the end of the main series.
Anyway that is just my idea about all of this news just coming out. Maybe I’m just blowing this whole thing up over nothing. But I can’t help but feel that they will stretch out the series more with stuff than what is needed right now. It’s 25 years old now and really needs to move along the plot. Gosho is getting older and we are seeing more of these breaks than ever in the manga. 
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dcrewatch · 6 years ago
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With the new imperial era announced in Japan. Do you think that something will change in series? Shinichi/Conan is Heisei Holmes.Will they change that or maybe add yet another character to be Reiwa Holmes?
Mmm, I don’t know, but I also don’t think anything would necessarily change as according to Aoyama not even a year has passed in the plot of the story…which of course is ludicrous given the evolution of technology throughout the course of the manga but whatever. =w=;
If a Reiwa Holmes was written in, watch it be a spinoff that takes place after Conan ends with a future son of Shin’ichi. xD;;
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raifuujin · 6 years ago
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MK Treasured Edition Commentary
From here, here, and here.
Volume 1
Hello, it's me, Aoyama. 
In the course of the republication of Magic Kaito I take the liberty to show my memories of this time straightforwardly. (grin) 
The Revived Phantom Thief The memorable first chapter! Actually I became a Mangaka because I wanted to write about a high school phantom (grin) and so I drew it under great tension! Well and back then I was short of money which is the reason why his hatband around his tophat isn't shaded with screen tone… 
The Police Are Everywhere The original title „Keikan ga ippai” referred to a movie... „Taiyou ga ippai”, a movie with Alain Delon („Purple Noon”). Detective Doron is an allusion, too, because „Delon” is written as „Doron” in Japan. (grin) By the way! The words „When you bend them, they...” Kaito announces the light-emitting diode were literally written on the package of one of those things I purchased on a public festival as a kid. (grin) Appearantly they're actually known as „glow stick”.
 The Clockwork Heart A science-fiction-thriller! A rarity for Kaito (grin). I recall that I perceived it as really exhausting to draw all the parts of the robot and that I had no computer, so that I had to write Kaito's farewell letter by hand (Haha!). By the way! In the panel the robot says „I'm Kuroba Kaito... Haha!!” Kaito's pupils look kinda strange (?). There I mimicked Akemi Matsunae of which I was a big fan back then. (grin)
 Kaitou Kid's Busy Day Off Back then, the 3D movie „Captain EO” starring Michael Jackson was being played in cinemas and has been satirized in this chapter, although I never thought 3D movies could have been revived because of „Avatar”... (grin) By the way! When I read the closing scene today I think that the phrase „But, ice cream... still tastes great!” is my most embarrassing quote ever (grin).
The Pirate Ship Unsurfaced A sea adventure with Kaito? This is a rarity, too! (grin) I can't remember at all why I wanted to draw this story, but maybe I wanted a confrontation between a thief from the mainland and a thief of the seas...? (Ha!) Well, and so Kaito brought his costume of Kaitou Kid even to this place...?! (grin)
The Scarlet Temptress There she is! Mistress Akako! To be honest, she, as practitioner of black magic, is the reason who drove me into the corner the most during Kaitos appearances in Conan. Well, you just have to accept these works as parallel universes. (grin) By the way, Kaito Kuroba is written on the handkerchief, this probably was a prank done by his mom (Chikage)... (grin)
Aoyama Kid ♥
 Volume 2
 Stay Away From Him Although it's more of a romantic tale than a thief story I really like this one ♥ Especially the panel with „Well, excuse me for being an idiot...“ is a real gem, because of how often I had to redraw it! (laughs) Additionally, Superman and Top Gun appear... which is according to my taste! It's also revealed in this story that Aoko is flat-chested. (laughs)
Japan's Most Irresponsible Prime Minister A story I used one of my then-favourite actors Hitoshi Ueki, who has passed away in the meantime, as model! I also dared to use the Japanese prime minister - this was probably really audacious... And then characters appear who look like the past leaders of the USSR and the USA, Gorbachev and Reagan... (sweating). By the way, did anyone notice the „Akako balloon“ in the night sky? (laughs)
I Am the Master! This story was purely written because I felt like it! Anyway, I really wanted to draw how Kaitou Kid makes a balls to the wall ride down the facade of a building... (laughs). I would be nice if they one day made an Anime out of it ♫ Oh well, even if Cleopatra's Vanity case should really exist, two thousand years later one probably couldn't use it anymore... (laughs)
Would You Grow Up If I remember correctly, the hang-glider associated with Kaitou Kid lifted the first time in this story. Well, one could also say that Kaitou Kid could have fled from the get-go with it, instead of stretching a rope to the Tokyo Tower first (laughs). I'd really like to bring the motorized roller skates again.
The Boy Who Bet on the Ball It has also been really daring to take real professional baseball player as a model... (laughs). I think the story was created after I talked with my editor in charge about how thrilling it would be if Kaitou Kid appeared on a pole in Tokyo Dome. Well, the Yomiuri Giants are working together with Conan in several ways anyway, so I hope they can turn a blind eye to this... (fierce laughter)
Ghost Game If I remember correctly, I was frantically busy because I had to draw „Tantei George no Minimini Daisa-kusen“ („Detective George's Mini-Mini Big Strategy“) three weeks in a row for the Sunday magazine, so I finished this chapter in a very short time... (laughs). Directly afterwards my series „Yaiba“ started, because of which „Magic Kaito“ had to pause for a while. Hard to believe that the series is continued until today...! (laughs)
Hustler vs. Magician Originally this was the true second chapter of „Magic Kaito“! But... it was rejected! Since my debut in „Sunday“ there was never a story before or after it that was rejected. It's real luck that it made it into this volume! (laughs)
Omake „Magic Kaito“ was the first Manga I was allowed to publish as a Mangaka, which could be the reason I drew this story with zest and high motivation... Oh well, this probably was my youthful enthusiasm... (laughs)
Aoyama Kid ♥
Volume 3
Star Wars The first „Magic Kaito“ story I drew in the Heisei era (since 1989 -editor's note). There are several stories in which someone tries to gain profit from using a false Kid, but this is the shining first one! At the crime scene Kid announced a lot of Kid fans have assembled and shout "Kid! Kid!". Pretty clever idea, huh? Because this has developed to a classical element until today.
The Great Detective Appears!! Entrance of Saguru Hakuba! No, not only that, the chief inspector also shows his face...! Perhaps the junior was just worried because the top policeman never appears at the crime scene? (grin) By the way, Kid is so bad at ice skating because I'm so lousy in it myself.
Kaitou Under Scrutiny The skirt of Aoko's school uniform is so long and Kid's television is so big! From this you can tell the time! (Haha!) Apropos, the newspaper appearing on the last page is called „Oshima Daily Paper“ in the original version. Most of the newspapers shown in „Magic Kaito“ were named after my then editors. I beg your pardon. (grin)
Akako's Delivery Service Kaitou Kids measurements, 1.74 m (~ 5'9") and 58 kg (~ 128 lbs), naturally are my measurements from back then! The same goes for his blood type! (grin) Back then I thought it's really cool that it's possible to figure out skin colour and age of a person just by a single hair, but today, with DNA analysis you can figure out the whole identity of the person the hair belongs to. The progress of science is frightening... (Haha!)
(Extra Chapter) Yaiba vs. Kaito! I was told to draw a short, self-contained story and this dream sequence is the result. Back when I was a kid I already loved collaborations like „Mazinger Z vs. Devilman“, so I wanted to draw something like this. This is also the reason Kaitou Kid appears in Conan... (grin)
Blue Birthday The first time the gem Kaitou is after is the name origin for the title! Because this was the first „Magic Kaito“ after a very long time I debuted Kaitou Kid's arch-enemy and I can remember how much this motivated me... but it's also a story about a nightly firework in the midst of the city which must have made a lot of trouble in the surroundings... (grin)
Green Dream Oh well, this story is nothing special, but to be honest, it's this story which grew dear to my heart. (grin) What should I say about it? The rhythm is felicitous. This story was the first time I drew Kid's „signature“ we've grown so accustomed to. You can also tell from the name of one of the persons appearing that I really loved „Furuhata Ninzaburō“ back then - a japanese police detective drama.
Aoyama Kid ♥
Volume 4
Hello, it's me, Aoyama.
Since Magic Kaito is being republished I allow myself to show my memories about the past without further delay. (grin)
Crystal Mother This is the Kaito-train story I always wanted to draw! Including some allusions to "Lupin III" or "Sherlock Holmes" it became a story during which I could live it up... (grin) Snake, who got severely hurt in the tunnel returns in the following chapter completely unharmed. That's what I call "tough“! (Ha, ha!)
Red Tear Back when this story was published the first time, the thre first pages were in color! In fact, this created a mystery: „The gem on page 1 is blue, but the one on the cover page is red... Why oh why?“ Great that we can revive this mystery in all its glory! (grin) By the way, the closing scene in which all the photos containing the fondest memories are projected against the wall is an homage to the closing scene of the movie  „Cinema Paradiso“. ♪ I used this highlight again in „Detective Conan – The Last Wizard of the Century“. (grin)
Black Star The first confrontation with the one and only Shinichi Kudo! In this story, Kaito says: „The inspector couldn't catch him even if he used a satellite system!“ But really, it's kind of surprising that he hasn't caught him before, isn't it?! (grin) Shinichi is firing a pistol? Akako wants to use magic to get rid of Shinichi? Little Kaito is flirting with Aoko? What a crazy story! (grin) Well, the scene in which Akako uses her magic powers was cut from TV syndication, but it was restored for the DVD, so everyone who wants to watch it, can do so now. ♥ Oh yeah, the title „Black Star“! I believe there are some readers who ask themselves why this gemstone served as the namesake of the story even though it's just mentioned in passing at the end. That's because Kaitou Kid himself is the "Black Star" after all ★ – hence the title! ♪
Golden Eye The first duel of the phantoms! (... maybe.) Catherine Zeta-Jones was the model for the character Ruby Jones. ♥ Well, they don't look very much alike... (Ha, ha!) In this story it's made clear that Kaito was born in June and Aoko in September! Exactly... Kaitou Kid may be a thief, but he is also a magician, so it really delighted me to slip in the name of the grandiose real-life magician Harry Houdini. (grin) There are a lot of tricky moments that show how much Detective Conan "poisoned" this story... (Ha, ha!)
Dark Knights The mask Nightmare is wearing is based on one I bought during a vacation in Spain, because I really liked it. It now hangs at the wall of my living room. (Ha, ha!) Again, in this story is a lot to analyze and moreover, it ends in a thought-provoking, grim mood, which isn't very typical for „Magic Kaito“. On the other hand, this isn't bad either, isn't it? Superintendent Chaki, an old acquaintance from Detective Conan, had his origin in this story. Further on, Hakuba's nanny „Baaya“ has her very first appearance in here! Actually, it's said that there is another nanny for him who has a more docile personality, but that's a different story altogether... (He, he...)
Phantom Lady (Preannouncement) This story revolves around how the original Kaitou Kid obtained a wonderfully beautiful jewel for the first time. ♥ It will be the first in Volume 5... I wonder when it will be released? (grin)
Volume 5
Hi, it's Aoyama ! Since a new volume of ''Magic Kaito'' came out, I have to delve into my memories from the past. PHANTOM LADY I wrote this story about Kaito's parents four years ago. I had stopped writing Magic Kaito for Conan and I thought : ''Wow, so much time has passed ?'' (laughs) If I recall correctly, his mother mutters ''Kaito, it's time for you to know'', and the story's finally here ! It's this story that finally revealed that Kaito's mother's name is ''Chikage''. It was my first time digitalizing a manuscript, I was glad I managed to portray the security sensor similar to phantom thieves stories so cooly, but I had to drew one night scenery after another, and that took time and so I almost didn't make it in a deadline. By the way, this story leads to Conan's Ryouma case, in volume 70. Read it if you're interested ! MIDNIGHT CROW When it was decided to animate the series, I had a meeting with the animation staff. We asked ourselves ''How are we going to finish the story ?''. So I suggested : ''Why not do one about a black Kaitou Kid that would be published in the Sunday ?''. And that's how I wrote Midnight Crow. I will never forget the staff's face when I told them ''Actually, Touichi is alive'' (laughs) Ikeda-san, Touichi's voice actor, had difficulty saying the line ''When you come in contact with an audience, it's a scene of duel...'' quickly ! <3 The ''sucker trick'' line comes from Kaito Kid's anime screenwriter Kunihiko Okada, who I thank very much. In the Phantom Lady chapter, Kaito's work as Kid was given by Chikage, but in Midnight Crow, he's supposed to quit because a lot happened in Las Vegas... but it's another story (laughs) SUN HALO This chapter was written to commemorate the 30th anniversary of Magic Kaito, so it had to be a love comedy <3 When I drew the chapter, Kaito's bike is a Suzuki GSX 250 R. I had forgotten that it was supposed to be broken, so I had Jii-chan say that a ''doctor friend'' helped him... I leave that to your imagination (laughs) Speaking of characters, Lucifer appears again ! As I thought, Akako uses red magic ! (Fortunately Akako doesn't exist in Conan's world (laughs)). The entrance hall in the chapter is based on Tottori's entrance hall, so please go there if you visit Tottori ! By the way, in Sun Halo, Aoko rides the bike with Kaito ! NONCHALANT LUPIN It's a short story I sent to a shounen magazine, and I got an award for it. As you can see, it was a prototype for ''Magic Kaito'' (laughs) The forms are different but there's no card gun. I drew this because the editor I had at that time told me : ''Show me a story you want to write''. It's my second work ! Now that I look back, I'm embarassed because it looks bad. (laughs) Anyway, the hero's name is Lupin, and the name of the story ''Nonchalant Lupin'', but I don't know where he's nonchalant... (laughs)
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naomi-sky · 6 years ago
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Goodbye Heisei, welcome Reiwa! Due to the abdication of the emperor Akihito, from May 1st a new era has started in Japan: Reiwa. Since Shinichi in the manga had said that he wanted to become “the Sherlock Holmes of the Heisei Era”, he won’t be able any more to fulfil his dream. Nevertheless, the author Aoyama Gōshō said that he’ll also change the era inside the story, so from now on Shinichi will aim to be “the Sherlock Holmes of the Reiwa Era”. In the globe I changed his line from the first episode, so it says “I want to be the Sherlock Holmes of the Reiwa Era!!” Thanks to all the people who watched my live! https://www.instagram.com/p/BxESWOEFxPq/?utm_source=ig_tumblr_share&igshid=5nkc45x7gm7v
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kudotsurugi · 6 years ago
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“真実はいつもひとつ” “Only one truth prevails“
Just thought I’d do a little rough sketch of the Modern Day/Heisei Era Holmes, Conan Edogawa, otherwise known as Jimmy Kudo or Shin’ichi Kudo. My interest in this little sleuth reignited thanks to the Detective Conan rewatch @dcrewatch. I’ll probably finish this sketch at some point.
I was a fan of the Funimation dub, so i was kinda sad to hear they lost the license. Say what you will about the name changes(if Ace Attorney can pull it off and make it work, why can’t Conan?), the casting for the dub was really on point.
Which is why I’m hoping that somewhere down the line that Crunchyroll and Funimation can collab on a dub in the future(possibly release an edition with no anime-original episodes?), using the Viz translations for a rough script if possible. Hopefully that could lead to a dub of the Magic Kaito anime or a re-release of the anime movies visually uncut(looking at you, TMS Entertainment)
It’s extremely unlikely to happen, but one can dream, right?
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mynameisnicorobin · 7 years ago
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End of Heisei?
So this may seem a bit silly. Japanese Emperor Akihito is said to abdicate the throne in 2019. With his abdication ends the Heisei era. So what does this mean for Detective Conan? I know it's silly for that to be the thing I take away from this, but I can't get it out of my head. Will Shinichi still be known as the Heisei Holmes? Or are they going to acknowledge this happening in universe? Thoughts?
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