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Finally read Robins!
I have a lot of thoughts, but I just want to say this panel is the funniest thing I've ever seen:
#addressing Bruce as Batman is such a tell too#hilarious and fucked up#tim drake#bruce wayne#batfam#i continue to maintain that tim being a champion liar while looking like that has given him such an unfair advantage in life#no one suspects this awkward twink with survival skill-level excellence in lying to parental figures is lying to them#not even bruce#my dude this is why you are no longer the world's greatest detective#anyway#I fuckin' love tim drake#robin#robins (2022)
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Honestly, the funniest thing DC could do right now is have a crossover episode between My Adventures With Superman and Batman: Caped Crusader with the explanation of "Oh, Caped Crusader isn't set in the 40s/50s or anything. Gotham is just Like That."
#my adventures with superman#batman caped crusader#vicki vale goes back home and has to change into her prerequisite suit and fedora#clark lois and jimmy just wonder why all the tv there is in black and white#look I know this isn't going to happen but if Marvel can have an avengers cartoon cross over with two separate spider man continuities#and never address it#they can pull some shit like this to be funny
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Destiel Pride - Day 5; Cursed or not
#destiel#dean winchester#castiel#Destiel pride#Destiel art#destiel fanart#spn fanart#spn art#spnfanart#wiggleart#ETA: i jsut realized it's the 5th of a month and it's pride#i'm so sorry lol#the cursed or not line comes in response to cas saying in 7.23 that he’s not good luck#and following the cursed or not line dean asks if he seems like good luck as well#and that got me to thinking about the curses these boys are constantly under be it overarching ones like ‘deans boyfriends#always die some how’ or more literal ones like spells and possessions and what not#but no matter what they always find their way back to each other like when Dean was grieving so hard in#season 13 that Jack who barely had consciousness that that point managed to break through the empty and wake cas up#so I wanted to draw 1518 which is the last curse that I know will be fixed in the continuation#don’t @ me on that it’s a major plot thread that needs addressing lol#and it can almost seem like love is a curse in this show but they’d rather have that love than not so#…also black goo lol
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Julian does kind of strike me as someone who just sort of. Endures suffering and then pushes it way, way down and pretends it doesn’t hurt.
Bad things happen and he just sits quietly and then pushes it down and pretends he’s okay so he can get on with whatever he needs to get on with.
Doesn’t know how to process trauma or misery inside himself, but he can help other people with theirs, so he just. Keeps going. Keeps working. Keeps trying.
It makes sense, I mean, the pivotal traumatic incident in his life was one he has never been allowed to even allude to out of fear. His parents don’t seem very emotionally available for him either, so he’s definitely never talked out those issues with them. So he’s probably just grown up pushing any off feelings back down and focusing on something else.
And even when his big ol secret is finally out, he still doesn’t really talk about it or acknlowedge it unless someone basically drags him kicking and screaming into having to focus on it. He never really talks about or addresses like. Anything.
Like his attempts at curing the blight and how fucked up he was over that. Or the time he thought he could save the Jem’Hadar from their ketracel white addiction. (And boy howdy does that episode take on new layers of pain when you think about him being so sympathetic to entities that were genetically engineered to suffer and his own backstory.) Surviving a psychic attack that basically involved his own subconscious mind trying to talk him into embracing death. A month in a prison camp where he probably definitely thought he was going to just die there, and then realizing no one knew he was gone, and his friends are not anywhere near disturbed enough by any of what just happened.
(To be clear, I think it’s fine that they didn’t realise it was a changeling. I think the reaction they have when they find out retroactively, however, is like. Guys. A minute ago you thought Julian Bashir, your close friend of several years, beloved station doctor, had betrayed the federation and had to be killed. Guys. Forget Julian for a second. How was this not traumatic for the rest of you?)
Then there’s all of that Sloan fuckery which is basically just three episodes of one man trying to gaslight Julian into a dissociative break for reasons.
And he just. Bounces back. Next episode, time to move on, insists he’s totally fine. Except he’s not. He gets gradually more and more tired and miserable and closed off but he just. Never fucking talks about it to anyone. Never deals with how messed up he’s slowly becoming. Never recovers. Never heals. Never gets closure for any of it.
He has so many wonderful moments where he comforts someone else when they break, when they’re scared, when they let all the bad stuff finally make them collapse.
But Julian just never really collapses like that, and it’s like he actively ensures he will never have the chance to collapse because he doesn't want to (and probably doesn’t know how to) deal with any of his issues.
Can you imagine what it would look like when he finally breaks.
#stella talks#star trek ds9#star trek#julian bashir#.i think I focus more on Julian than other characters because of that lack of closure.#.and I do feel like it. it’s gotta be intentional to a large extent.#.because it’s so JARRING how many episodes focusing on Julian just have him at the end looking shell shocked and dead inside.#.and then it all has to move on and he just shoves it all aside.#.like Julian please there is a line between not letting your personal issues affect your work and like…#.not letting your personal issues even exist in the first place.#.but like. he’s heading for a ten car pile up level breakdown and doing nothing to avert it.#.just gonna collapse one day in the replimat and start sobbing uncontrollably.#.and it’ll surprise him as much as anyone because he’ll be like BUT I WAS FINE. no sir you were not.#.probably jumps ship to go to Cardassia just so he can focus on someone suffering more than him and continue not dealing with his own stuff#.jokes on him because this is post character development Garak and he would force Julian to address that shit.#.Garak and Miles coordinating with Ezri on how to trick Julian into addressing his emotions properly.#.and yes this ties into my other post about his dangerous ego.#.these two aspects of his character are intrinsically related.#trek meta
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Canon genders the clones, both individually and collectively, pretty aggressively. They're men, brothers, boys, sirs. Omega is notable for being the "female" clone, to the point where she's not recognized as a clone in a meaningful way.
But the clones grew up without gendered social groups! Despite how clones are gendered by external factors, gender is functionally a nonentity in their lives until they meet civilians, and civilians do a load of other weird shit anyway.
So why do they still use gendered language?
My argument is that feminine language isn't used as a gendered form of address, but as a form of address that reflects a specific kind of power dynamic and relationship between parties.
Given the structure of the clone army, the only people a vast majority of young clones interact with who could insist on being called ma'am are exclusively kaminoans.
The kaminoans view clones not as autonomous subjects, but as property. They have and expect complete control over their lives and actions. Incidentally, the female kaminoans we see (such as Nala Se) tend to demonstrate an even more proprietary perspectives on the clones.
You can question a sir, like your superiors or trainers, at your discretion, but you can't question a ma'am. A sir is someone who has power over you, but is somewhat responsible for you. The have personal accountability to you in some way. Sirs are responsible for men under them. A ma'am is someone whose power over you is absolute, an authority without accountability, who is not beholden to you but that you must obey. You are tool or a number to a ma'am.
And when you bring clones out into the wider galaxy, I'm not sure anyone would figure it out that quickly.
Say you're a new jedi general. You meet your men, and they address you as "ma'am". Maybe you correct and move on, figuring that they've grown up surrounded by thousands of identical men and aren't great at guessing genders based on social and appearance cues. Scuttlebutt has your forms of address spread through the men by the end of the day, and you don't think about it again.
The clones, on the other hand, take this correction as he/him jedi stating that they want to work with them and suppourt them despite having so much power over them, which fits with both what they know of the jedi and, most often, their leadership style.
She/her jedi (see Shaak Ti especially!), clones maybe treat a little more as absolute authorities. This gendered divide in behavior gets met with, "hm, maybe they're just not used to women." For many jedi, they eventually switch to calling them sir as well, especially as they build rapport.
For Shaak Ti specifically, she is an absolute authority as the representative of the Jedi on Kamino, not just as a figurehead but as a decision maker and educator. Even as the clones grow to trust and love her, she's a relatively distant and all-powered figure. She has near total authority over them, and clones might ask for help or suppourt, but there's no social obligation for those requests to be met, she's just kind. It's compassion, not duty.
Senators, there's a good mix of different factors that make it confusing. "Senator" is always an acceptable form of address if you're not sure how'd they react, even if they should be ma'ams by default, but they're either trying to build rapport for some reason or genuinely want to work with you when they say to call them sir, regardless of the actual power dynamic at play. The she/her senators that respect the clones are in the same boat as Shaak Ti: Padme Amidala may care about clone rights, but I am still just one of hundreds to her and she has no personal accountability to me. Her position is such that she should not and cannot owe me anything. Same with Riyo Chuchi, Mon Mothma, etc. etc.
And a civilian that insists on being called ma'am or sir is going to be an asshole either way, and they technically have power over clones without personal accountability or responsibility for them. It works.
Finally, Palpatine.
He's a slimy rat fuck who pretends to be affable and kind, so of course he's going to laugh and say, "Oh, no, call me Sir!" when you call him ma'am. He is not personally accountable to you, and he does not care about you, but it helps his image and it helps him manipulate people to pretend, so of course he's making you use sir to build false intimacy despite the fact that he's the ma'am of ma'ams, both in power gaps and lack of accountability for his treatment of clones.
So having clones using sir vs ma'am not as a reflection of gender but as a reflection of power? Yeah, I think it works.
#sw tcw#star wars meta#clone culture#trans clone troopers#admittedly this is pretty out there BUT its fun to me#also love the idea of transfem clone being addressed as ma'am and immediately bluescreening#bc like Hi I Still Respect My Brothers As People?#or like trans clones continuing to use he/him bc to clones its not gendered thats the Default Singular Pronoun For Everyone*#gender#miscommunication#Clone gender culture#original speculation
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mmm but. i miss pansyfemme as a url already. but im lowkey really tired of people sending me asks questioning terminology i have explained dozens of times in the past so ive been. stepping away a bit from the term femme- not because i dont identify with it anymore. just that this blog’s gotten a bit of attention lately, and while a lot of the circles ive always run in tend to know the history of the term femme is not one exclusive to one gender or identity, people seeing my posts on my dash send me a lot of asks about it in heavily varying levels of politeness. and while i have explained it with sources and everything in the past,, i kind of. hate doing that all the time and despite having a faq people still. dont read it. so i kinda. uh. more so just. dont feel like justifying myself ten times a day and i also. dont like ignoring the asks so.. it will be definitly a term i will still use but kind of dont want in my username anymore. does that make any sense.
#it kinda feels like every post i make where i mentioned i transitioned as a kid where people send asks like ‘you should really address that#isnt the norm’ and its like. i have quite literally adressed that hundreds of times. i just dont feel like everytime i use the term femme i#need to follow it with a thesis on why its okay for me to use it. there is historical basis there is signifigance all that. but also i just#hate that if i dont state something 10 million times a day people will just continue to assume the worst
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See, I think Charles’ annoyance and frustration with the Cat King really was just pure protectiveness and not any kind of jealousy - it’s understandable, because Edwin is not telling him what happened even though something clearly did, which is not typical for them. Edwin doesn’t usually hide things like this! Of course he’s worried!
Charles’ reaction to Monty, on the other hand, is difficult to explain in a way that isn’t jealousy. You could say he’s being protective again, but Charles shows no sign of distrust in Monty, and had no idea of who Monty was or that he might betray them - he was actually very chill with him, except in a select few specific scenes. You could say he just doesn’t like him because he got brushed off during their first meeting, but not only does that not seem like Charles at all, it also doesn’t make sense, since, again, in most instances, Charles is genuinely friendly and is happy when Monty compliments him and seems to have come around to liking him (it completely flies over his head that this is a petty jab at Edwin on Monty’s part but oh well hahaha). You could say it changes up their status quo a bit and that bothers Charles. I do think this bothers him a bit, but I think, unlike Edwin, Charles’ fear and frustration here is directed more at situations (the Cat King whisking him away for several hours, as an example) than others. He’s sociable and likes being able to talk to new people. There’s absolutely no way he’d begrudge Edwin doing the same - and he doesn’t… with Niko. Edwin and Niko hit it off and become very close and that never bothers Charles at all. He’s incredibly endeared to her, just like the rest, and for the most part, he’s chill with Monty too, and smiles pretty knowingly when Edwin confesses to him having awakened some feelings. The only exceptions, where he shows definite annoyance, are when Monty first shows up and gets really in Edwin’s personal space to show him the astrology chart he made, and when Edwin is so sucked into the book Monty gave him that he doesn’t hear that Charles is talking to him, to which he annoyedly says that they seem to have been “spending a lot of time together”.
You could say he’s unused to having anyone get in Edwin’s personal space like that, but, again, Niko. She’s very tactile with him and he doesn’t seem to mind all that much; they spend time together watching things. If it was just someone getting close with Edwin in general, not only would that be weirdly possessive for the character, but it would also mean he would show discomfort with anyone getting close, I think. Does Charles see Monty as more of a potential threat than Niko, seeing as he knows her and her personality and doesn’t know Monty? Well, maybe, but again, Charles shows no sign of distrusting Monty at all.
Monty is a boy. Okay. So something about seeing Edwin so close to a boy that is not him, getting lost in thought over something this boy gave him, really rubs Charles the wrong way. Charles appears to catch on just as quickly as anyone else that there is something (or it looks like something) between Edwin and Monty. He is not surprised when Edwin comes out to him in episode 6, and in fact, seems to have just been waiting for him to verbalize it. He smiles and is not bothered at all by Edwin showing (what he thinks is) a romantic interest in Monty - he just doesn’t like it when Monty clearly shows a romantic interest in Edwin. Um. Well. Well.
Charles is jealous. I really don’t know what else to say.
Look, when I first watched this show, I actually didn’t want them to end up together romantically - I love the idea of one having fallen in love with another who does not reciprocate and the two of them still loving each other just as much. That Edwin’s confession made them closer instead of making things awkward is such a beautiful outcome to this build up and I absolutely love it. However. On my two rewatches, I caught a lot more little details, and I think it would be very strange if the show did not follow up on this. That, plus the deliberate quality of these “jealousy” moments where the camera focuses on him, Charles’ Orpheus coding throughout the show, the fact that Edwin’s arc was far more about realizing his feelings for Charles specifically than just coming to terms with his sexuality, and that even the actors admit that Charles’ response to the confession kind of left things open, it really seems to me like the path leads to a romantic endgame for them, or at the very least, that this possibility will be explored in more depth.
**This is just my reading of it. Please do not use this post as a gotcha for anyone who loves them as a platonic duo or people who really love Crystal and Charles together (because let’s face it, they’re super cute too). I’m just doing my rambles. As per usual.
#listen this got really long and I’m sorry but I wanted to be sure I covered all my bases because#I flat out hate the old argument of ‘it (romance) is the only possible explanation!’ with regards to strong bonds#because it so often invalidates strong platonic expressions of love#but… *gestures above*#they’re going to need to address this at some point I think#I really hope though that if the relationship becomes more romantic#that this does not happen in season 2 but in season 3 or something#make it a good build and emphasize the importance of their existing platonic bond#I want their bond to continue to change and grow closer via their friendship first before evolving into romantic tension :)#(also I have faith in these writers but I’ll always be worried about what happens to Crystal with all this. pls don’t cast her aside…)#the smart thing would be to have Crystal have more of the main plot action and Charles more of the feelings arc#for season 2. that’s what I’m hoping#not just any romance or jealousy for Charles but also feelings around his family and dad and his wants and fears and all that#storyrambles#this got away from me again haha#should I use my analysis tag? does this count??? …I’m using it. ->#call me ace detective the way I am ace. and also a detective.#dead boy detectives#I also love the idea of a canon gay couple in an overall queer narrative because that’s beautiful#please I want it to happen#charles rowland#edwin payne#payneland#dbda meta#dbda spoilers
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hello approx. 53 new followers that i gained from my art being featured on the tumblr radar. prepare to be hit with the yaoi yuri beam
#my chappell roan art got featured :)))#not art#to delete l8er#(taps mic to address my loyal danmei followers) you'll be happy to hear idgaf how many people follow me. shenanigans will continue as norma
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i'm so casually/vaguely interested in good omens that i was sad about "season 3" basically just being a movie for about 10 minutes before i moved on. but i can't stop thinking that if people really cared that much about terry pratchett and his legacy, they might wonder if he would've even wanted a good omens seasons 2 or season 3... considering the book did not have a sequel and he literally had his hard drives destroyed with a steamroller as one of his last wishes when he died because he didn't want other people to capitalize on trying to complete and publish his unfinished novels... or they might also be more upset on terry's behalf that neil gaiman spent decades of friendship with him hiding what a rotten person he really was, and that if anyone or anything is damaging terry's legacy it's entirely neil's fault. also, terry's legacy consists of dozens upon dozens of other books that have nothing to do with that guy anyway!
#a post i saw the other day has been making me keep thinking about this#like iirc neil gaiman even called rob wilkins and tried to get him to save the hard drives but rob said no??#so it's admittedly a little wild to me that good omens kept going after they already covered the whole book in season 1#WHEN TERRY WANTED HIS UNFINISHED WORK TO DIE WITH HIM?? has neil ever addressed that??#or is the fact that they talked about vague ideas and outlines for continuing GO decades ago supposed to make it different??#like idk. maybe if terry pratchett were alive today he would've been cool with the show continuing#and um... maybe if he were alive it would've been better because you can really tell terry's voice is missing from season 2 ngl
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started taking pics of my tav in a cutscene, accidentally turned the camera around to see he's been waiting patiently to continue his dialogue for the past ten minutes
#raphael#raphael bg3#baldur's gate 3#bg3#obv he's talking to mol here but it's funnier to imagine he's addressing my tav who got distracted taking fantasy selfies#“you will consider it won't you? unpausing the game so i can continue my sentence?” yeah in a sec man the lighting is really good rn#my screenshots#mine
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“Reborn,” Moon Knight: Fist of Khonshu (Vol. 2/2024), #2.
Writer: Jed MacKay; Penciler and Inker: Alessandro Cappuccio; Colorist: Rachelle Rosenberg; Letterer: Cory Petit
#Marvel#Marvel comics#Marvel 616#Moon Knight: Fist of Khonshu#Moon Knight: Fist of Khonshu vol. 2#Moon Knight: Fist if Khonshu 2024#Moon Knight comics#latest release#Moon Knight#Marc Spector#Iron Man#Tony Stark#you can’t tell me Mr. At One Point Had His Own Star Trek Uniform didn’t immediately clock the classic#«I’m a doctor not a…» set up hahaha#(Although maybe I’ve played too much Rainbow Six Siege because it also reminded me of Jäger’s «I’m an engineer not a medic!»#love that guy ANYWAY)#okokokok this is….interesting#I’m I guess you could say intrigued that so far it seems this volume is shaping up to make addressing Marc’s self-proclaimed addiction#to violence a central theme as it’s come up in both comics released so far#I guess I never thought they’d take it seriously since such descriptions of one reason why Marc does what he does is because he’s hooked#on the sort of high-octane rush that comes with combat have popped up in his comics for years#but that language was pretty common in 80’s and 90’s comics portraying tough guy characters willing to kill people#but it’ll be interesting to me at least to see how this more serious approach will develop#Mr. MacKay has given me little reason to doubt him so far but if they continue with this#idea of treating addiction seriously since they’re using the language associated with it I hope they’ll address it#with the appropriate gravity such a topic necessitates#anyway don’t mind me musing in the tags
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even though two-thirds of israelis surveyed said that israel should keep bombing populated areas as they have been, there are many israelis taking action to speak against the genocide despite protests like these being met with violent repercussions.
#interesting bit in this article about how israeli news makes it seem like october 7th was yesterday#refusal to address what's actually happening in gaza or to reduce the panic and fear around 10/7 bc it allows the war to continue#i imagine there are more israelis with similar heartbreak to us americans about our part in destroying people and children
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Uhm Leo attempting to drink tea as a coping mechanism and Donnie curling in on himself at the sight of him holding a cup—either afraid of the liquid, the cup itself, or both lol
HRGHHH YEAH,,, leo throwing that mug at him was one of the first real shots taken when it came to things getting physical huh (and its painful because in the sea of everything else i dont think leo would even consider it or remember it) and with the PROTEIN SHAKE ... several reasons for donnie to be uncomfortable or triggered about something like that :(
#ask#canary continuity#honestly i could see donnie being especially uncomfortable with leo BEHIND him too just in general#because of the protein shake thing#like he always has to be facing him for a long while#i always think about leo dragging him by the mask tails because its so cruel and nobody's really mentioned that#since theyre so short its him wrenching back his head. its gotta be painful on his neck#its just such a brutal way to have grabbed him and he DRAGGED him by them. he did it before almost slitting his throat too#so much Immediate Crisis going on in CW that i wont have a chance to address smaller triggers like that. unfortunate
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i have nothing to say about the newest episodes of LO
so I'll let past me from the year 2022 say it instead
because everything they said a year and a half ago ironically still applies today and i don't even know how that's possible but it's where we are 💀😭
#except now instead of it being entirely on hades' behalf it's now ALSO on hera's behalf#literally why have we gotten a whole ass third season that's continued to drag its heals on the main conflict of the story#persephone has to play superman for everyone else's trauma and never gets to address her own#we'll get episodes showing the empathetic POV's of the abusers tho#and literally all of them come down to “parents suck”#literally they're all the same backstory and plotline#like i get if that's the theme rachel is trying to go for here but how is this even a retelling of the Abduction of Persephone at this poin#persephone has so little to do that rachel has to literally shove everyone else's trauma and problems onto her plate for her to solve#all while her own trauma is still gathering dust in the corner#we're not even seeing her witness the women around her find their own strength and learning from them#because SHE'S TOO BUSY BEING WRITTEN AS THE ANSWER TO EVERYONE ELSE'S PROBLEMS#THE APOLLO PLOTLINE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE STAKES ANYMORE#CAN WE JUST DEAL WITH IT PLEASE AND END THIS FRIGGING COMIC 😭#IT'S LITERALLY SO DEAD IN THE WATER THAT IT'S REPEATING ITSELF#lo critical#anti lore olympus#lore olympus critical
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Did Tim “kill” King Snake and does Bruce know?
In Tim’s first solo min, he goes to Paris to learn martial arts and get that “edge” he thinks he needs to properly assume his role as Robin. He ends up on the tail of British Lord, Hong Kong-based heroine kingpin, leader of the Ghost Dragon gang, Sir Edmund Dorrance AKA King Snake (who is blind, which will be important later). Tim’s only companions on this world tour are Lady Shiva, who wants to defeat Dorrance to prove herself stronger, and ex-DEA agent Clyde Rawlins, who wants revenge against Dorrance for Dorrance’s reprisal killing of his family.
Robin I #4 -- the dream team, I love them
The trio catch up to Dorrance in Hong Kong, where he’s waiting for them in what seems to be the top suite of his skyscraper, 50 stories up.
In this final confrontation with Dorrance, Tim takes full advantage of a crucial moment of distraction to kick Dorrance out of the window. Dorrance ends up clinging to a ledge, hanging on for dear life.
Shiva then appears to order Tim to kill Dorrance, presumably by kicking him off the ledge. (It becomes clear then that this is how Shiva intends to prove herself stronger than Dorrance: she trained Tim and therefore Tim is her weapon and an extension of herself. If Tim defeats Snake, she defeats him by proxy).
Tim refuses and walks away. All we see is him listen as Dorrance falls to what Tim explicitly assumes is his death, 50 stories down.
Robin I #5
So, while Tim isn't directly responsible for Dorrance's death, he was the one to put him in that position and then left him there to fall.
It’s unclear how Tim conceives of his actions here and how we are supposed to interpret them, especially in light of Tim’s refusal to kill in earlier chapters in this arc (and after).
Robin I #2
Robin I #4 -- I love Shiva
He stopped Rawlins from shooting and killing gang members, but then points to the danger Rawlins might have put them in by accidentally shooting crates containing plague (please read this arc it’s really fun despite suffering from uh. severe written in the 90s syndrome) and then explicitly restates his vow not to kill.
AND THEN, the plot thickens!!!
Dorrance did not actually fall to his death; he caught himself on a ledge below, where he believes Tim came down to taunt him. He came away from his fall with a fear of Tim and an obsession with killing him to purge himself of that fear. (anyway Sir Edmund Dorrance walked so Ra’s could run)
Batman (1940) #468
Batman (1940) #469
Dorrance moves to Gotham with the Ghost Dragons and takes over Chinatown (which. Who decided to put, a British lord, what boils down to an allegory of British colonialism in Hong Kong as the head of Chinatown? I have questions – anyway crimelord Lynx ftw)
In the course of his pursuit of Robin, it is revealed that Bruce believes “it was Lady Shiva that caused Dorrance to plunge to his death”—that Tim told him this.
Batman (1940) #469
This is clarified a bit more later, when Bruce confronts Dorrance.
#469
Dorrance explicitly accuses Tim of murder. He outlines the incident leading up to his fall—that Tim tricked him and attacked him from behind (he did, we saw this), that Dorrance was left dangling, and that Tim then caused him to fall.
Bruce refutes this accusation by claiming that it “wasn’t Robin who left you for dead. … Robin spared you. It was Lady Shiva who threw you to your death.”
From this, we can assume that in the moments after Tim refused Shiva and walked away, Shiva threw Dorrance down, which he didn’t realize because, as Bruce claims, he is blind and was likely traumatized by the incident. We can’t know this for sure, however—that Shiva threw him down—for exactly those reasons. Bruce is working off what Tim apparently told him, but we—and Tim—did not see this happen.
Bruce’s explanation of what actually happened also calls into question what exactly Tim told him about what happened.
It’s unclear what exactly he is refuting by: “It wasn’t Robin who left you for dead.” Does he not count Tim leaving Dorrance hanging as “leaving him for dead” or is the implication that Bruce thinks Shiva was the one who both threw Dorrance out the window and off the ledge? We never actually see what Tim told Bruce.
This leaves us with some possibilities:
that what Tim did by leaving Dorrance to dangle, by leaving him to Shiva, does not count against Batman’s no-killing rule.
Perhaps that Bruce does not feel that he could have expected or wanted Tim to step between Shiva and her target, Dorrance
that Bruce does not actually know what really happened—that Tim kicked Dorrance out the window, which in turn implies that either Tim may have stretched the truth or Bruce misinterpreted (purposefully?) what Tim told him
These all seem inconsistent, however, with incidents further down the line, with Cluemaster for example, and then when Tim rebukes Azbats for leaving Abattoir to die. A core tenet of Tim’s characterization is his sometimes frustrated but dedicated adherence to the no-kill rule (im beating anyone who cites the league bases at me away with a stick). So I don’t know what to do with this. Maybe it’s just comic inconsistency. Chuck Dixon, what are you doing?
If anyone has any thoughts about how to reconcile all this!! Please grant me peace
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i.e. stuff that I can’t possibly expect to be addressed in comics, but that I think about anyway
Related to this arc—a point is made a few issues later that Tim at this time doesn’t really have anyone to confide in. He can't really talk to Batman, isn’t close to Dick at this point, and while he is willing to work with Alfred and ask for help with Bat-related things, they’re not yet emotionally close. This isolation is poignantly demonstrated by him confessing his troubles to his still-comatose father.
Robin II #2
WHOM then would he have talked to about all that happened on his little “world tour”? No one? Besides whatever happened with Dorrance and brutal training and isolation, he also had to deal with the fact that Clyde Rawlins—whom he presumably developed some sort of camaraderie with (it’s tim ;-; he forms connections) was killed by Dorrance while working this mission with him.
We know that he had no one to talk to about all that. Did Tim linger on Rawlins????? On the fact that Shiva called him her weapon?? My boy is 13 ;-;
I also love that the whole buildup to Tim’s debut as Robin is Bruce agonizing about whether he should allow another boy to assume the position that cost him his son, and is then followed by plenty of moments after of Batman being overprotective.
Batman (1940) #468
And yet, when Tim is like “I need an edge to be Robin” presumably Bruce?? although this is never explicit connects him with a martial artist in Paris and sends him off on his own. It’s also possible that Tim is the one who comes up with this given that he agonizes a bit over whether he’s doing right by choosing his own path
Robin I #1
Either way, Tim goes to Paris Alone and essentially Unsupervised.
This lack of supervision is further emphasized by the fact that he goes to hunt down a king pin all the way to Hong Kong with Lady fucking Shiva and an ex DEA agent and no other back up. And Bruce presumably doesn’t find out until Tim runs into the hitman Henri Ducard in Hong Kong, who is apparently Batman’s acquaintance. (#5)
I have so many questions. I know that the actual reasoning is probably “oh we want to give this new character a little mini adventure arc on his own!!! To showcase how cool and independent the new robin is” but STILL
(also tim immediately getting himself a little team :’) I lub him)
#red talks#i promise this is half comic panels it only looks long#tim drake#bruce wayne#edmund dorrance#king snake#SINCERE QUESTION PLS GRANT ME PEACE#dc#a lot of me finally reading through tim's stuff is me going BUT WAIT at the writers as they continue on and never address#SEVERAL EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THINGS#i also wanna yell into the void about wtf happens after joker's wild but that needs to be its own post#also this arc feels so slept on the angst potential is crazy#shout to in your image (and of poor construction)#which i should reread now that i have more context
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had a previous ask for this pairing! honestly not thought of this before but I can see it!
#avatar way of water#aonung#winx club#winx club aisha#winx club layla#i knew her as layla first !#the crack continues#doodle#fanart#thank u for this ask tho#whoever sent it in!#imma try to address some old asks i couldnt get to as well#bye bye
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