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sitting on my bed straight up "watching it" and by "it" well let's just say doctor who

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I think a good talking to from the First Doctor could fix the Master to an extent. Like all of the Doctors are good at inspiring speeches but the First Doctor is on another level because he is equally unhinged and doesn’t have as much of present day Doctor’s trauma, not to mention that he will talk to you sternly no matter what your station in life is, so he could just go up to the Master like:

“Now, Koschei, it is still Koschei isn’t it? You’re far too old to be so foolish, so how about we put an end to this silliness, hmm?”

I’m not saying that it would magically solve every problem, but throughout the years the Doctor has become much more subtle when it comes to having The Audacity, so being spoken to like this could momentarily shock the Master into messing up his evil plans, allowing the Doctor to stop him.

Edit: Okay so I wrote a fic semi-inspired by this last night, I really should’ve been asleep but I was too engrossed with this idea, so if you check it out I hope you like it :):

A Meeting In The Marketplace

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NO BUT YOU'RE SO RIGHT.

This episode is also the one just before Clara tells him that everything the Master's ever done is blood on the Doctor's hands (and yeah it kind of is, considering rock murder, but what is free will when death is your patron) but also I feel the Doctor knows this and doesn't care.

something something the doctor is forgiving To A Fault because he knows what it is to love literally the most fucked up guy ever despite his moral reservations and protests to their behavior he loves them and can’t help but hold hope with him for every other awful thing in the universe and that’s an expression of love as profound and tragic as anything

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so, I got asked what's the spymaster timeline argument and why do I argue about it so much and keep defending spymaster lol so I wrote a long ass thing that I want to share with you.

SO. there are different arguments for people I argue with

1. having the master back as evil ruins Missy's arc and they hate him

2. having the master back as evil doesn't make sense after missy but would make sense before missy

3. They just fucking hate him god knows why.

4. A mix of these

Now. I have strong opinions, and those strong opinions are that I don't have a problem with dhawan master at all. I think he simply fits in after missy in the most normal way possible. I never saw a problem with it and I find it confusing that people do. Cause?? Imagine dying, then regenerating and realising the doctor has left you alone, but fair, cause he didn't know. So you go on gallifrey, hoping he shows up. While you're there you start hacking into the matrix for fun, cause you're the master and you like having a bit of fun. You discover horrible things. The doctor is not who they think they are, the time lords are not what you thought they were and all of your species including yourself is a product of the doctor's DNA.

This places the doctor as some kind of god. The origin of the time lords. They weren't time lords before the doctor, just gallifreyans, with no real power or anything to make them important. He's simultaneously angry at the time lords for lying about their identity, and at the doctor for being the most important time lord of them all, for being THE time lord, the original. Ultimately, for being more than him.

Now. The master has a certainty during the entirety of the show. The doctor is his equal, they have opposite moralities, but they're equals. Now, the security in this statement he believed in all his life shatters. They're not equals. He is who he is only because of the doctor. Thinking back to missy, she was the regeneration that absolutely wanted the doctor to see her as equal as well. She wanted to be like the doctor cause she missed him, and felt like he was the only one like her. So she tried to be like him, she accepted to be imprisoned in a vault and basically be changed to have the same beliefs of the doctor. But she did it willingly. Cause she wanted them to be the same. Now this entire arc feels wrong to the master (dhawan) , cause now he knows he could never be like the doctor, how could he? The doctor is much more. He thinks missy was his biggest mistake, he humiliated himself to be something he could never be. He gets out of the matrix and throws a tantrum, killing everyone on the planet for having lied to him (and to the doctor). When he sees the doctor again he hates her. He hates her cause she's just there, being her usual self, while in reality she has a bigger role in everything than she could ever think. He hates her cause a part of her is in him, and that means he's less. He's lesser than her. I also remember one scene where he was like "did I ever apologise for that?" (I don't remember what) And she was like "no" and him "good". I think about it often in relation to missy, cause he was definitely saying it because of her. Why any other master should have apologised for something? Only missy was apologising for stuff she did. It might be a big reach but I like to think it's about her. And he's like "good" cause he regrets being missy and trying to redeem himself, like I said before. Anyway the follow up from here is simple, he hates her and stuff, but he also feels bad not letting her know why. So then he decides to show her her story, all he can. No one should live without knowing their origins. so he shows her, and then he says he would like to show her more, but there's nothing else to show. It's the only moment in which he's doing something kind for her. Cause I believe in some way, he's also mad at the time lords for lying to the doctor. And here's part of why he decides to use their dead bodies in such an unworthy way. They have to pay not only with their life but also with their dignity, so he turns them into cybermasters.

This is also a way to cope and create his own race, to feel a little more on the doctor's level. She created the time lords, he destroyed them and created another species with their bodies. Then it's not enough and he decides that the only way to be equals is to become her. At this point he's gone completely insane, like, we see that. But it's totally understandable for him to act that way. His whole worldview changes. Everything he believed in is not true anymore. He doesn't know who he is anymore (I also just thought about this identity crisis he was having and how he stole Rasputin's identity, but this is an analysis for another day).

Anyway this got off topic cause I had to explain only the missy/dhawan thing but then started talking about dhawan in general so forgive me lol.

Other than this, if we take big finish in consideration there's the lumiat, that comes between missy and dhawan and her story really helps some people accepting the change (for some people it's still not enough though) and in the 2021 annual is confirmed that dhawan comes after missy, as we have the doctor and the master talking about the master's story from delegado to dhawan and thirteen says "I quite liked you as missy" and he replies that she spent too much time with him and it's something that should never happen again.

anyway. I've made my point on why the missy -> spymaster regeneration simply makes sense. It's just a normal timeline, I don't know why people think it doesn't work

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she doesn't want youuuuu give upppppp

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you know what? Fuck you. *turns your strong and stoic and serious character into a crying, traumatized, whimpering, curled up mess in the floor*

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While I'm at it -- look at the older art (2021? Damn, I miss having money for stuff i love haha) I commissioned from my friend @white-bow-tie !!

Spydoc my beloved, I was absolutely stunned by color choices and light and yeah I love his art style a lot and he rocks and is awesome as fuck <3

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He's so right, I mean any device can access Deviant Art

"Vor has found its way into every corner of modern technology" -The Master

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Doctor Who plot twists are a never ending cycle of:

Gallifrey is destroyed

It was Earth the whole time!

It was Skaro the whole time!!

The Master is back again

Companion dies!!! No wait they’re fine, just not returning for wobbly time reasons

The Doctor isn’t a Time Lords and is actually (insert random thing that will be retconned under the next show runner)

The loveable new character is actually the Master

The Doctor was secretly competent the whole time, the normal silly goofy attitude was a trick!!

Gallifrey’s back

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The Timeless Children spoilers (kinda?) below break (it's a 2 second clip from episode.)

I think about this daily.

So violent, and he's totally ruffled by being absolutely bodied by someone who claims to be a pacifist.

I love them very much.

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No, but, I adore Dhawan!Master. The way he reacts to the Doctor isn't just his manic energy, his unhinged, feral madness. It's not just Simm!Master's hatred and anger, it's not just Missy's lunacy and uncaringness disguising her desire to get close to Twelfth. Dhawan!Master is so, so in love with the Doctor, he can't stand in. The moment she steps into the same space as him, he cannot help but feel all his love for her, poisoned by his anger and pain, but he can't shut off the love and he haaaaates it. He hates that he perks up whenever she pays him attention, hates that he even needs her attention. But he can't help himself. He hates her and he loves her and he hates that he loves her and he loves that he hates her. And every time someone says to the Doctor "your Master", it's not "your" as in, the possessive article, it's your as in, endearment. He is your Master not because he is your superior, he is your Master because he is entirely yours.

Aaaaah, Thoschei makes me insane.

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WE HAVE CONSIDERED. THERE'S THIS GREAT FANFIC ON AO3 I AM OBSESSED WITH.

I didn't write this but I am a big fan of whoever did.

TimePetals fans have we considered:

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Personally, I do because it's fun to look into a relationship that happened over the span of thousands of years. I'm a big enemies to lovers, so giving them a childhood friend to enemies to lovers is really fun for me.

I like SpyMaster and 13 a lot because they're both pretty unhinged and violent. For me, those two are mostly headcanon because they are super questionable.

I'm not a huuuuge fan of Saxon Master, but the series 4 finale with him and 10 really solidified those two for me.

I also don't only ship Thoschei, I like Rose/Doctor and Clara/12.

Basically I like them because of the great angst they provide with ye old childhood friends that went different directions but still care about each other angle. This is super apparent in Missy/12 but I love it in all of them.

Also yes! it's fairly questionable, violent, and flat up evil sometimes. But it's fiction and I can pretend things did or didn't happen if I want to. Also they've both done pretty terrible things to each other and by 13's time they're thousands of years old so yk what, who knows what they think.

also because they talk about it kind of a lot? Missy and Saxon call the Doctor their boyfriend, and the kissing in death in heaven.

TLDR: I like thoschei because pretty people, angsty backstory, and idk because I do.

Can someone please explain why The Doctor and The Master is shipped together so much? Specifically Simm!Master and Dhawan!Master?

I don’t understand it at all. Like…that relationship is so abusive, why do people ship it so much?

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At first I was like MMMMMMMMM this sounds like my very favorite pookies Thoschei and then I looked at the pfp and I was like oooooohhh this could be my favorite pookies thoschei.

im a fucking sucker for the “character gets so badly injured that they can’t think clearly and start calling for help in a distressingly vulnerable way.” characters who start using nicknames for their friends they haven’t used since they were kids. characters who start begging for their brother they haven’t seen in years to be there. characters who would usually use their parents’ names or call them mother/father/etc crying out mama when they go down. u understand.

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Notable addition that this was also right after Spyfall and we know what happens when Gallifrey gets fucked. The Doctor takes their companion(s) to Earth when it gets fucked. Not on purpose this time but if I had a nickel....

rare sighting of Nine and/or Twelve in Thirteen's body

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This is literally just the Master who dies practically every story they're in no matter what incarnation. "OH NO! HE'S DEAD!" Next story starts: "OH NO THE MASTER'S BACK!!!"

some people are taking "doomed" to mean "dead". this is actually a misconception! you can be doomed even if you don't die! it's sometimes worse if you don't die!

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ranking the masters based on which one would say the f word

1. Simm master. I have no doubt. He's gay AND homophobic. He would go around throwing it everywhere.

2. Missy. She would use it exactly in the way someone shouldn't use it. Cause she would find it funny.

3. Crispy. Just cause I think it would be HILARIOUS.

4. war master. he's had enough. homophobic old man

5. Ainley master. Especially with the doctor. And when confronted he would say he can reclaim it.

6. Shalka master. Even though he would use it as an affectionate insult towards the doctor (but don't tell the doctor it's affectionate)

7. Roberts master. Idk. He probably would

8. Dhawan master. In a particular occasion.

9. Delgado. He wouldn't say it, he's too polite. But I think it would be extremely funny if he said it out of nowhere