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I thought we made a consensus that we weren’t going to salt on the duo anymore but for some reason y’all never seem to surprise me anymore.

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Alright I just gotta add some more onto this. These two are legit 14- probably 16 year olds. Kids/young teens. Of course some might act out or act irrationally at times but y’all never take into account of that at all bc for some reason, y’all think they have the processing of full grown adults even though they’re in basically middle/early hs. They don’t. they’re just kids.

Considering both Marinette and Adrien.

People in this fandom really need to realize what “Point of View” storytelling is, and they need to realize that with two main characters (Mari and Adrien) there’s the factor of having two separate storylines and having both characters go through tough obstacles and trying to overcome them in differing ways yet still having lingering feelings left over. Both the characters are going through problems in their lives, Marinette with being the guardian and having to balance not having a proper mentor to guide her through it which leaves a toll on her/having to isolate herself and possibly her feelings for who knows how long since we don’t actually know the timeline break between the recent finale and gang of secrets/having guilt from chat blanc which is a clear key factor as to why she’s been so distant with Chat/Etc. And with Adrien, we have stuff like him being treated like that by his father/having to be seen as an odd one out now seeing as there are more superheroes& solo missions for lb and basically being isolated/ him not being clued in on almost anything now/etc.

But here’s the thing I don’t get. Why is it so hard for some of y’all to understand that maybe just maybe, it’s not a competition to see who’s more traumatized and to compare both characters to each other like it’s some ego measuring contest. Because here’s where it gets annoying. Both of them are going through it and instead of saying ok, most mcs in shows usually go through obstacles to show the audience that they’re having hardships, y’all play stupid and go the “this character is being treated like trash by the writers” or “this character is so annoying bc of how they’re acting” without taking into account why they’re acting said way. And it gets hella annoying when y’all try to pit one against the other like some childish fight fr. Like it’s not that hard to see one’s going through shit while seeing the other has problems too.

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Considering both Marinette and Adrien.

People in this fandom really need to realize what “Point of View” storytelling is, and they need to realize that with two main characters (Mari and Adrien) there’s the factor of having two separate storylines and having both characters go through tough obstacles and trying to overcome them in differing ways yet still having lingering feelings left over. Both the characters are going through problems in their lives, Marinette with being the guardian and having to balance not having a proper mentor to guide her through it which leaves a toll on her/having to isolate herself and possibly her feelings for who knows how long since we don’t actually know the timeline break between the recent finale and gang of secrets/having guilt from chat blanc which is a clear key factor as to why she’s been so distant with Chat/Etc. And with Adrien, we have stuff like him being treated like that by his father/having to be seen as an odd one out now seeing as there are more superheroes& solo missions for lb and basically being isolated/ him not being clued in on almost anything now/etc.

But here’s the thing I don’t get. Why is it so hard for some of y’all to understand that maybe just maybe, it’s not a competition to see who’s more traumatized and to compare both characters to each other like it’s some ego measuring contest. Because here’s where it gets annoying. Both of them are going through it and instead of saying ok, most mcs in shows usually go through obstacles to show the audience that they’re having hardships, y’all play stupid and go the “this character is being treated like trash by the writers” or “this character is so annoying bc of how they’re acting” without taking into account why they’re acting said way. And it gets hella annoying when y’all try to pit one against the other like some childish fight fr. Like it’s not that hard to see one’s going through shit while seeing the other has problems too.

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The fact that we still have to make posts to tell people to stop salting on both Marinette & Adrien and point out that characters can have flaws without it diminishing their overall character in the year of 2022 is really beginning to annoy me.

If you can’t bring yourself to like either of the main characters, go watch something else, for your own sake and the rest of the fandom’s.

There is no point in engaging with and watching a show you have little interest in, it’s only doing more harm then good.

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Maybe it’s just me, but ML salters are getting pretty extreme.

I mean, both Marinette and Adrien are 13-14 years old. Adrien lost his mom a year ago, and is under the thumb of a manipulative, controlling, abusive, and absent father, who also happens to be a supervillain. Marinette clearly has trauma from bullying, and suffers self-confidence and anxiety issues that seem to leave her in states akin to panic attacks at times.

These literal kids have been thrust into superhero roles, fighting against a villain who uses people’s darkest emotions against them, and have had to fight their own friends at the same time they try to navigate school and the rest of their troubles. The man who should have mentored them, having his own trauma, failed to do so appropriately, and ultimately left one of them with even more shit to deal with.

And they’re like 14. They’re babies. Babies with trauma to begin with, to say nothing of the trauma they’re accumulating as superheroes forced to essentially keep all of Paris safe.

Honestly, can we give both Marinette and Adrien a break? They’re not perfect, because no one is. They’re doing the best they can with ridiculously limited resources and a lot of fucking trauma.

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Alright I’m forreal tired of this. Atm I have two qualms with this fandom, 1 being that they don’t know the meaning of certain slang dialects and two comparing the animation of a fucking multimedia millionaire company to a smaller French company with varied outsourced animation.

For one y’all have gotta stop using the term pick me bc it’s starting to lose all it’s meaning like how simp was. For one a pick me is a fucking person who puts literally everyone around them down to get to the object of their affection, including their friends. And last I checked does Mari do that? No. I’m pretty sure volpina was probably the only time that has ever happened in show with Mari and she still tries to make up for it. Secondly there’s pretty much already A few pick me’s in the show but y’all ignore that behavior just bc y’all have some weird obsession with hating on the mcs.

Now on the animation bs. Like I and allot of ppl in this fandom like to make jokes here and there about dq/Assemblage/SAMG/ and their differing qualities when put next to each other but here’s the thing, they’re from the same show so it’s on the same level. But when you go around comparing fucking DISNEY level animation it’s not a fair playing ground bc I’ve said it before, Disney literally has enough money to make these types of quality animation meanwhile miraculous is a legit tv show made with varied animation/animation companies with a compact budget. It’s not a fair playing field to compare both of them and especially from an animator in training. Like we know some of y’all wanted to make your “hot take of the day” but from what I saw, it’s lowballing and juvenile and I kind of expected more from some of y’all.

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Alright I’m forreal tired of this. Atm I have two qualms with this fandom, 1 being that they don’t know the meaning of certain slang dialects and two comparing the animation of a fucking multimedia millionaire company to a smaller French company with varied outsourced animation.

For one y’all have gotta stop using the term pick me bc it’s starting to lose all it’s meaning like how simp was. For one a pick me is a fucking person who puts literally everyone around them down to get to the object of their affection, including their friends. And last I checked does Mari do that? No. I’m pretty sure volpina was probably the only time that has ever happened in show with Mari and she still tries to make up for it. Secondly there’s pretty much already A few pick me’s in the show but y’all ignore that behavior just bc y’all have some weird obsession with hating on the mcs.

Now on the animation bs. Like I and allot of ppl in this fandom like to make jokes here and there about dq/Assemblage/SAMG/ and their differing qualities when put next to each other but here’s the thing, they’re from the same show so it’s on the same level. But when you go around comparing fucking DISNEY level animation it’s not a fair playing ground bc I’ve said it before, Disney literally has enough money to make these types of quality animation meanwhile miraculous is a legit tv show made with varied animation/animation companies with a compact budget. It’s not a fair playing field to compare both of them and especially from an animator in training. Like we know some of y’all wanted to make your “hot take of the day” but from what I saw, it’s lowballing and juvenile and I kind of expected more from some of y’all.

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A Quick Hot Take

Because I still keep seeing people make claims that the show and writers are “mistreating” Marinette by giving her top billing on the show, I’m gonna say a couple of facts very simply. Maybe this will help some people see things more clearly, maybe it won’t.

1) Marinette is the MAIN CHARACTER. This means that she WILL get the MOST plot importance. Yes, this includes sometimes being shown to be “in the wrong” about things, because we see a big slice of her life, which will include some lows. However, we also see her being IN THE RIGHT very often, like in every one of the episodes where her plan saves the day.

2) Marinette SOMETIMES learning a lesson is not the same as her ALWAYS learning a lesson, or even the same as her doing so most of the time. Claiming otherwise is exaggerating at best (and makes your “analysis” weak) or downright lying at worst (which makes your “analysis” completely baseless).

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How do you feel about the rising sun flag controversy of the 100th episode.

I’m late, but I was rightfully pissed at how the creator of the show handled everything on Twitter, mainly bc the flag has allot of history behind it and wasn’t appropriate to put in the show

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You put your finger on a very good point. I don't care all the Gabriel positivity on my dash. He's neglectful and abusive. And it gets really dark at this point because it's not only about Adrien seeing the best in people etc. Yes, he's a forgiver and a sweet boy but he mostly makes up excuses for his dad because that's how some abuse victims react/act. Gabriel makes him feel guilty("you should talk to me") when he did nothing wrong. So Adrien always makes excuses for his dad thinking he's wrong

yes! remember in the collector when, after adrien lost the book and apologized to his dad very earnestly, gabriel went on a rampage and destroyed his whole office (& adrien’s drawing omg) in a fit knowing full well adrien could hear it……. and adrien felt….. terrible………..

like….. that’s not….. healthy………….

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Ok so I'm beyond tired of this, like we get it, some salters don't like the show but you don't have to constantly bash people who still like the show or the characters

But here's this thing, most of the time when you have to bash ppl over a show they like which is beyond stupidity and whenever they defend their point you have to stoop to other levels? Headassery. And the fact that you have to call people who like it bootlickers and the like or worse like they don't almost always be constantly bigoted at times in several different ways in salt and when ppl call them out, they have lackluster ways for defending themselves like the argument doesn't hold up, it's still bad. You can try to get one person of that minority to speak for you but here's the thing, they don't speak for the whole community.

And the fact that most salters have to constantly say that we d**throat the show like they don't constantly have to make up reasons to shit on the show or pick and choose from ppl who prop up their stupidity/bigotry/etc. Like my guys, at this point salt isn't even criticism, it's bashing that's full of stereotypes and when people call them out on it it's bad, but it's apparently ok to if you're a salter. Bashing people who like the show and it's characters is stupid bc it's trying, especially for it's intended target audience. It has a specific niche that some people like and if it doesn't fullfil your wants that's fine! But you don't have to go out of your way to talk bs about it or the people who like it still bc it fills their niches is stupid because they like a show and that's okay. But here's the thing. There's a solution to y'all's problem, you can just leave and not consume content related to the show bc then it'll live rent free in your heads bc all these people spew is salt related to consumers or the show but they don't, they still stay here and constantly be rude to others.

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Alright so I guess I gotta say it but I'm so fucking tired of the salt fandoms cold takes that are parroted over and over like a fucking echo chamber.

Like the "I wish the show would go my way" angle has been a bad one from the start and if some of y'all know me from other fandoms, y'all know why it's a bad take.

It's not good for a show that already has a plotline written to go off track at times to cater to their audiences bc most of the time that's pandering, which ends up in mostly catastrophic events and rarely ever good ones. Like y'all parroting the same "Alya shouldn't have known Mari's secret, Luka should know" "this ship should be endgame" "the show is copying from (x) piece of media/fanon" are all bad takes and these are why

Point 1: Alya is honestly a good contender for knowing Mari/lb's secret mostly bc 1: she's one of the first temp heroes, she's shown herself as a good person many many times (and if y'all bring up chameleon, try to think about the fact that she was the new kid in school at first and now Lila is, and bc she didn't know about her alterior motives, she stood up for her, the same way Mari did for her) point 2: Alya and Mari have known each other for a much longer time than Luka and Mari. So no amount of stuff ppl will keep saying will make sense bc it would make more sense to trust someone you've known for a longer while than someone for a shorter.

Point 2; the whole "this ship should be endgame, then it'd be a better show" bs has been getting on my nerves from the start cause y'all don't seem to get why that's a bad thing. The showrunners don't usually consume fan content for a reason, it's bc of what happened with star vs, star wars, and many other shows before that where ppl kept pandering (and if I gotta say this again I'll honestly go actually fucking insane, a fan theory coming true is not copying! It's picking up on clues that've been laid out by the writers that ppl realize tie into the story, stop letting stuff go to y'all's heads.) And well we know how that turned out right? Ppl either complained about svtfoe for how long and well it's self explanatory about the latter bc they *had* a planned story but decided to discard it in order to pander to get money. Also I've been getting tired of the "the show is copying" cold take bc y'all are just talking about tropes. Tropes have been used since the beginning of time ex: evil version of a character, the heroes journey (which has been utilized in almost every form of media) redemption arcs (and sometimes ppl in this fandom and others need to realize that it takes a long time for a person to truly get redeemed, and most of the time, item induced redemption doesn't always go, it can also be oneself or person induced, but I digress), fall of hero arcs (basically the opposite of redemption), etc, and y'all gotta stop acting like almost every single thing that happens in this show or others is copying bc most of the time it isn't, it's just tropes.

So tldr: I'm honestly tired of ppl misinterpreting stuff from the show for bad faith crit, and I'm tired of ppl trying to act high and mighty/holier than thou when it comes to writing and the pandering problem salters have in this fandom.

Edit also I may have forgotten to mention this but salters really need to have this hammered into their heads since most won't say it, but it doesn't make you cool when you keep parroting shit over and over one, and two if I gotta hear one more thinkpiece about why this show or many others I've listed are bad I'm gonna go actually crazy because of you dork ass losers who either get mad when one show hasn't even finished yet and the others have gotten hate for menial or shit made up on the run.

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Having finally watched Optigami…

…I can’t help but feel bewildered by the fandom response. All the Chat Noir angst? Yeah, maybe, but this episode did literally nothing to prompt it, except have very little Chat Noir in it. Which is true! But that doesn’t mean the episode was empty. Instead, the episode kept doing what the entire season has been doing, and put it front right and center:

It developed Alya's and Marinette's relationship. The entire episode is explicitly about Marinette, how she handles temporary heroes, what it’s like being the guardian, and how Alya can help with that and what mistakes she can make doing that. It ends with Hawkmoth deciding to go after Alya personally. This is the thing that really needs all the meta written about it.

Yeah, I get it, the Chat Noir thing is fun because we can have to/get to make up 95% of it (and I’ve definitely participated myself), but this is at best incredibly subtle foreshadowing.

The other big thing that I don’t see mentioned that much either is that this episode places a heavy emphasis on how the show treats mistakes, fault and punishment, and how it does so very differently from the fandom.

Alya makes a huge mistake by deciding to give the Miraculous to Nino without properly checking that it’s him first. Well, actually, she had no way of knowing, her tactical call to bring him in was sound, and it’s not clear that Ladybug would not have fallen for the trickery either. But Alya treats it as her mistake, and Marinette doesn’t contradict her; mostly because that doesn’t really matter. Marinette, and the show, make it clear that it’s not bad to make wrong decisions and go too far in the heat of the moment, even and especially if that leads to problems later on. Nobody here expects perfection; they hope others will grow and learn.

This is an ethos that the show has had from day one. There is a lot of meta out there that keeps saying “Marinette is getting punished for things that are not her fault”, or “Marinette is not getting punished enough”. As an excellent post by @ilikekidsshows a while back pointed out (the post is sadly not linked in their meta overview, so I couldn’t find it right now), both of these contradictory points are based on the idea of a reward and punishment based morality: Marinette's behaviour causes Akumas, so does that mean she’s being punished? Marinette never faces any negative consequences for stealing phones other than feeling bad, so does that mean the show endorses them? No, the show doesn’t work that way, and never has.

This episode really sums that up well: Yes, Alya's actions caused a problem. But she didn’t mean to, and she will learn from it. She’s neither being punished for it, nor getting away with it. And the permanent Miraculous is not a reward for a few individual good actions, but rather an explicit recognition that Alya has always been someone Marinette can trust (unlike other people who had Miraculouses previously in the show…). So the next time someone talks about too much or not enough blame or punishment or, when talking about a certain character, rewards, point them to this episode, which states 100% clearly that the show doesn’t work like this.

On an unrelated note, I really, really love the Kwamis. My dream would be an episode just about them hanging out while Marinette is out saving the day. Actually, that sounds like a concept for a fanfic…

Oh, and another piece of meta that we need more of: Kwamis using their powers individually has turned from an occasional occurrence to how the show works every day, and it’s going actually pretty well. As far as symbolism and foreshadowing goes, that seems like an incredibly important thing. A lot of this season appears to be about trust really paying off.

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Truly despise how the conversation about Alya getting a miraculous is being framed like “Marinette needs someone to talk to and I guess Alya is it.”

Alya’s wanted the whole hero shebang from the moment she was introduced in the show. Maybe appreciate that coming to fruition for its own sake and enjoy her getting a storyline with stakes and needs vs. want and consequences instead of making your primary concern over what Marinette needs or Adrien feels or whatever.

Yeah, she’s a supporting character but she’s still the center of her own universe. Not every mistake she makes or everything she gets included in or every dream she achieves is only significant when it relates to the main characters. 

Y’all understood this with Kagami, what’s holding you back with Alya?

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Absolutely no one:

Me at random points in the day: YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, IT'S NOT A METAPHOR AND IT'S NOT SUBTEXT, IT IS LITERALLY JUST THE TEXT! I am BEGGING you to examine why you only view scenes that were intentionally made in a way that wouldn't be questioned otherwise as "just subtext" when the pairing isn't straight.

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Tired of people reblogging from certain salters (sometimes not even salters just fandom bloggers in general) not realizing that some of the posts they make can be applied to actual real fucking ppl. Like shit like saying "I'm tired of ab*sed rich kid plots bc they still have money" is honestly really hurtful to ppl who have that happen to them irl, and seeing that BS only worsens the blow. Like I get y'all don't like rich ppl (trust me I have some problems with a plethora of them) but y'all had to have ab*se show in the picture. Y'all are actually beyond pathetic because it's basically fishing for notes BC certain people know y'all are just blogging about certain characters you don't like so please stop showing your ass out like this.

Y'all are all eat the rich not realizing the rich is the 1%, not designers, movie, show and theatre actors, etc, they're people like Elon musk and Jeff bezos, TF is actually wrong with some of y'all, gosh.

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Heyo! Just wanted to send an ask saying finding your blog was like finding a cool spring in a sea of salt.

While I myself have issues with parts of the show. And can get annoyed with Marinette I feel like a majority of the time it's caused by the salters who bash on Adrien while praising Mari with... Some pretty big reaches. (Why are people calling him a mysogynist? Like what? Boy seems to have some mad respect for the ladies in his life.)

But I have been at fault for being a little too salty on Mari in the past just to get back at them which honestly isn't fair at all. Anyway just wanted to send love and support and say how happy I am to see someone like you in the fandom! Stay magical friend!

Thanks 🥺 I actually created the blog due to the influx of character salt and I was getting pretty tired of it all because of mostly the mischaracterization and people reaching over and over lmao anyways thanks ❤️