m0thyb0y

[m0thyb0y]

inclus are ridiculous

love how inclus will go "we accept everyone!! including demi folks!!" but then go "cishets dni" " im cishet phobic" when literally demi attraction is the very definition of being straight.

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I have ptsd from severe trauma, I don't really talk abt it on here, but i do on a recover acc. But i digress-- as someone who suffers daily from flashbacks, I really don't understand why ya'll think its cute to put you romanticize your illnesses. Like y'all are really going the extra mile to make gender identities surrounding your illness. Like this is the equivalent of someone going around yelling "I'm cancergender!" and expecting people to just allow that to be okay. The only difference is that and being "mentalillnessgender" is that mental illness has been politicized to their advantage to make it "okay" in some circumstances for it to be a gender. Because I know so many survivors of cancer that would just lose their minds if that existed.

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Like imagine if one day someone just came up with a new word that meant "lesbian but will date trans women" or "lesbian but like women for their personalities instead of looks" and randomly decided that the old term lesbian meant you only like cis women, and just for their looks or body parts. And now everyone is either forced to adopt the new term, or keep the original term but have to deal with misconceptions and constantly have to clarify that you aren't what they randomly changed the definition of lesbian to mean. And when you point out "actually lesbian never excluded trans women or implied I don't care about personality" and people respond by saying "oh well I still like the new term anyways its a personal choice and it's not hurting anyone" even though the literal existence of the new word implies things that aren't true about the old term. That's exactly what pansexual did to bisexuals

Edit: I've been informed that people actually DO this to lesbians too and that's not cool. How about we don't base our orientations on attraction to trans people because trans men are men and trans women are women so they are already included in l g and b attractions

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"First of all, from the tags, I'm understanding that this is the ridiculous "being pansexual is contributing to bi erasure" argument AGAIN."

if you looked at ALL the tags, I also said that this could apply to anything. this includes other microlabels outside of pan, and this ALSO includes hesbians, transmen lesbians, nonbinary gays/lesbians, etc. I wasnt just attacking ONE argument.

"literally half of the LGBT community says [pansexuality] is harmful".

oh my god you didn't even quote me properly??? not only was this not what i said, but you ALSO are only nitpicking this because you want to focus on one topic in my tags, not all of them. this was aimed at so many harmful identities. not just the bivspan debate.

the reason why you can't find any "sources" on the AMMOUNT of people who are angry at this is because no one is counting. but if you idk, got a life, then you would know that a ton of people are still discussing this. its on this website, twitter, instagram, even facebook. im in an lgbt club and sometimes we have debates! and thats something we debate about!

Secondly, why are we considering the opinions of people who are not bisexual (gay, lesbian, asexual etc) about pansexuality being harmful for BI PEOPLE?

there's this very popular label going around called Battle Axe Bi. which means a whole section of the community agrees that mspec labels like omni, pan, etc. are harmful and contribute to erasure. pan people cant even stay out of Bi spaces! literally every bi positivity post you see you see "pan rights too! dont forget pannies!" and even omni folks do this. they're trying to say they're separate from bi but then continue to invade bi spaces and take over.

also, so many pan people change the fucking label. they change the definition of what it means on a continuous basis based off of the argument they're in. its very rare to see two pan people use the same definition in the same room together. some people use the original definition which was transphobic and biphobic. pannies still use the "hearts not parts" slogan and its horrible.

Not like my opinion matters but, me, a bisexual guy, have absolutely no problems with people calling themselves pansexual. My girlfriend is pansexual and I don't go telling her that her being pansexual is harmful to me.

great! i dont care. you can exist however you want, i dont control that. i respect all pan people i know but i will still educate others on why that is harmful, just like you're coming in here trying to spew random bs trying to convince me im wrong.

Even then, I haven't met a single bisexual person (other than this dude maybe?) who has said that pansexuality is biphobic. Nowhere.

great! I'll send you ss's, i have thousands. obviously you havent looked around many places, never get your information from one website.

I feel it's also relevant to mention that a non-negligible percentage of lesbians will rather publicly call themselves gay due to the negative connotations surrounding the word "lesbian". But I don't see anyone complaining that that's "lesbian erasure" or whatnot.

actually, a lot of people are saying its gay men erasure because gay men have no other words, nothing. Lesbians taking and claiming that word is wrong. it's not lesbian erasure, its gay erasure. because now if someone were to come up to me and say "oh im gay" i literally wouldn't know if they were actually gay or identified as lesbian, ace, aro, bi, etc. because everyone stole that fucking label.

Furthermore, both pansexual and bisexual as labels for sexual orientation entered existence around the same time, that is, around 1914

oh oh HOO boy, you literally havent done your research properly.

the term bisexuality was first used allll the way back in the late 1700's, but it was more of an intersex label than a sexuality. in 1892, neurologist Charles Gilbert Chaddock used it to describe actual sexuality. you wanna know who made the word Pansexualism? Sigmund Freud. we dont like him in the psychology field. sure, he had a lot of good points but he fucking sucks

his idea was that pansexualism (or pansexuality) was having "no sexual boundaries" and hinted at beastiality, zoophilia, and pedophilia since you were attracted to others no matter what they were or the species. so if you're REALLY gonna get into the history of it its origins are horrible. it supported horrible ideas and shouldn't be considered an actual sexuality. it was considered a mental illness at first because of how fucking disgusting it was. the bad stuff wasnt removed from the label until around 1970's when people started to reclaim it but didnt want to be considered a pedophile or zoophile.

your little spiel obviously shows you have no ide what you're actually talking about. not only did you take what i was saying and put it out of text, you also incorrectly quoted me, havent even done PROPER research, and made the claim "there's more pressing matters" like??? ALL matters should be addressed. all of them. saying one doesnt matter even tho it's an issue is basically supporting the idea we can pick and choose what is and isnt important, which helps contribute to ableism and the suppression of other communities and ethnicities.

so yeah, im gonna stand by what i said and say get your head out of your ass.

if people are saying your identity is harmful, you might wanna fucking listen

i know that some people will say anything that comes to head, and that doesnt make them right 

but when literally HALF of the LGBT community is on your ass about your identity being harmful as fuck and contributing to erasure, then it’s not just made up! 

get your head out of your ass and maybe listen, especially since there has been a label that has existed for way fucking longer than your current one. and if you dont care, then i guess you’re a privileged piece of shit and dont appreciate the lives that were lost for you to identify as whatever you wish.

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I just encountered a fucking mogai post making eating disorders into a gender and every day im becoming more aggressively anti-mogai

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if people are saying your identity is harmful, you might wanna fucking listen

i know that some people will say anything that comes to head, and that doesnt make them right 

but when literally HALF of the LGBT community is on your ass about your identity being harmful as fuck and contributing to erasure, then it’s not just made up! 

get your head out of your ass and maybe listen, especially since there has been a label that has existed for way fucking longer than your current one. and if you dont care, then i guess you’re a privileged piece of shit and dont appreciate the lives that were lost for you to identify as whatever you wish.

[m0thyb0y]

I feel like I’m about to poke a bear here, but I’ve been chewing on this thought for an hour now and I can’t quite get it out of my mind, and maybe writing it out will help.

I dipped into a bi vs pan discourse post earlier (mistake, I know), and it got me thinking. I saw a lot of pansexual definitions that included attraction to people “regardless of gender”.

But we all understand that, on a racial field, “I don’t see color” is a microaggression. It invalidates the struggles of non-white people.

So how is “I don’t see gender” not?

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a comment on the post about pan people always wanting in with bi posts says "pansexuals don't want the negatives that's surrounded with bisexuality, they only want the positives" and that resonated with me because it sums up pan vs bi exactly

That's a really good way of phrasing it damn.

And the biggest problem with that idea is that it's a cycle. I've seen pansexual lately complaining about omnisexual implying negative things about pansexuality. And that people identify as Omni to avoid calling themselves pansexual-- which is harmful.

And the lack of self awareness would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Since the entire reason pansexuality as it's used today got popular was because people wanted to avoid calling themselves bisexual. It's a cycle. Using new labels isn't going to change the negative connotations of a group. It's only gonna delay, for a bit of time, those connotations as they work their way back to you and your new label. It's far more effective to actually address those negative connotations. Making new labels won't change anything. And if you address those connotations then you'd find a lot more people comfortable calling themselves bisexuality and a gain a much stronger voice for the bisexual community. But instead they wanna keep dividing it up and making new labels. It's frustrating to see, but it's nice to see there are a lot of people able and willing to listen even if it doesn't always feel like it.

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Idk why people will define bi and pan exactly the same and then go "so yeah, I'm pan" like, no you're making sexuality into a choice.

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i know that some will say “this is too big of a leap”, but honestly i couldn’t agree more. pansexuality is harmful in so many ways and contributes to the erasure of bi culture. just because two of you get along, doesnt erase any of the history nor does it represent the rest of the community. 

sometimes it takes radical examples to get the point across, because if it’s not then there’s wiggle room for others to go “yeah buuut....” in situations where that is inappropriate. i stan you op

"I'm bi and my boyfriend is a non-binary pansexual so its weird when people pit them against each other."

Cool, a black man has befriended a load of KKK members (real btw) and that doesn't mean that the KKK suddenly don't hate black people.

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I did not just see a pannie say on tiktok, “limiting my dating pool to cis men and being attracted to their cool and masculine aura rather than their gender” and then “coming out as pansexual”

They love to say bisexuality isnt inclusive of trans people, yet they dead ass make trans people a third gender.

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i really hate going on the ftm tags when i'm feeling dysphoric and want to see people's transition timelines, stories and overall positivity and then seeing people talking about "men have boobs!!" and saying that certain clothes/interests are "so ftm". im a huge fan of button up shirts and they're some of my favorite articles of clothing and earlier i saw some posts about how button up shirts are cool "transmasc clothes" and how they assume every guy they see with one is trans. this coming from an lgbt centered blog. im at a point where i want to try my best to be stealth and im already paranoid of going outside and people clocking me and instantly seeing me less of a man, and find out that there are actual people in the lgbt community deciding what traits trans people have and aggressively trying to clock them like they're terfs from lolcow. really fun knowing that not even the lgbt community is a safe community anymore. sorry for the unhinged vent i just hate seeing how common this is in a plataform who loves to brag about being progressive.

That's such a mood 😭😭😭.

When people point out shit that makes someone look more trans to them (size of their hands, clothes, shoulders, etc) it always makes me so self conscious. I just wanna love my life without people trying to assume such unnecessary things about me.

I get that some of that stuff is just people having fun and enjoying themselves. But anytime you're like "any guy who wears [whatever] I'll assume is trans" I feel like you've taken it one step too far. Especially when you're doing that for real people and not just headcanning a fictional character.

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Why is everyone in this day and age hyper invested in the political/idealogical purity of everyone they interact with? Literally OBSESSED with making sure they aren’t accidentally being friendly with someone with slightly different opinions than them. What is wrong with you

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you cannot identify as anxself/depresself/bipoself, etc. for the aesthetic. that's super fucking ableist, especially to those with those actual conditions. 

Yes, being trans required the mental illness Dysphoria and the only way to alleviate it is to medically transition. But that is because you’re a man or a woman but your body doesnt represent that. There are literal exams that show your whole brain composition is different than that of your agab, that your brain structure is more aligned with the opposite gender or somewhere inbetween. 

YOU CANNOT COMPARE A MENTAL ILLNESS, THAT HAS BEEN PROVEN BY EXAMS OF THE BRAIN, TO YOUR STUPID FUCKING NOUN BULLCRAP. 

Your brain will not show signs that you identify as a bat. your brain will not show signs of you identifying as voidself just for the fucking aesthetic. its an actual mental disorder that has to be treated, and its ableist fucks like you that make it almost impossible now for trans folks to get the resources they need. being trans is not a choice. your pronouns arent something you can just go “oh yeah i identify with this building” 

honestly it seems like you have no idea what you’re talking about, since you compared two TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS to each other just to invalidate actual trans folks and include your shitty fake aesthetic stuff. 

Has anyone else noticed that the anti-mogai bitches who say shit like "mental illnesses aren't lgbt" are the same ones who think being trans requires you to have dysphoria, a mental illness

It's almost like transmeds and anti-mogai types have no idea what they're saying half the time

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Honestly radinclus are awful to deal with in debates because theyll say "exluse dont deserve positivity they derive from hate" when we dont. I dont hate anyone. I am not a negative person the laguage i use can be perceived as negative but it isnt. I am just a dramatic person. Everyone deserves positivity despite your beliefs.

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I'm mega sad about how the trans community has treated eachother, truscum and tucutes are so exhausting to be around. I am an nb transmed but I can't stand tucutes always telling me that by supporting brain scan studies I'm invalidating myself when there is literally examples in some of the studies of a "mixed" brain that doesn't quite lean female or male.

People ignoring literal facts will always be the most annoying thing ever. Just... accept it and move on? Boohoo someone said you can’t be trans just because you want to. But no, let’s divide the community over that smh.

It’s tiring and annoying. Especially because tucutes exclude and attack far more, no matter how much they deny it.

Nb has plenty of sources and those can and likely will continue to grow, so there’s certainly no invalidation going on. Tucutes love to tell nb transmeds they’re traitors and such. We’ve always been accepted by other transmeds. I don’t recall having one ever attack me but I’ve lost count of how many tucutes have.

Sucks ass, really. I get you.

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Mogais really think gender and sexuality are a costume they can change