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A redraw of my Angel Dust redesign :) Design notes below cut

Design notes:

No longer a toothpick!!

Not intended to be animation friendly 

Tried incorporating more spider elements: large fangs, hair tufts resembling pedipalps, spider butt

Hair inspired by drag queens

Extra “limbs” shoot venom, can be retracted

Made extra eyes more obvious (I actually thought the freckle-like eyes in his original design were kinda cute but they had to go)

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Exactly. The rape threats to her is more disgusting as Octavia is asexual. I may not relate to her family situation in the story but I am an asexual teenager like her, as well as my friend relating to her family situation so the demonisation towards her character because she wasn't a "perfect" person in cutting out her father (or cutting him out at all) makes it infuriating.

Many Helluva Boss fans claim to support abuse victims but they only do it to characters they like such as Stolas and not apply it to any other characters in the series like Octavia, who gets demonized for cutting off her neglectful father despite how this experience applies to many people in real life. If your going to demonize a neglected 17 year old just because she wasn't perfect in cutting off her father (while also ignoring her father's flaws of neglecting her to begin with), you should consider if you'd be the same for people who relate to Octavia's experience in that situation in real life. I know these are fictional characters but I also know that their experiences aren't.

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Many Helluva Boss fans claim to support abuse victims but they only do it to characters they like such as Stolas and not apply it to any other characters in the series like Octavia, who gets demonized for cutting off her neglectful father despite how this experience applies to many people in real life. If your going to demonize a neglected 17 year old just because she wasn't perfect in cutting off her father (while also ignoring her father's flaws of neglecting her to begin with), you should consider if you'd be the same for people who relate to Octavia's experience in that situation in real life. I know these are fictional characters but I also know that their experiences aren't.

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"As someone who used to be similarly emotionally abusive as Stolas, I fucking hate how the narrative continues to coddle him and make everything about how he is hurt- motherfucker learn to listen to the wants of others instead of whining because they aren't sucking your dick"

Submitted by anonymous

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No cuz seriously why did it become this?

How do we go from the pilot, to season 1, to this.

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I also have redesigns of Eve and Lilith!

They both look really cute!

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Michael Kovach: *gets harassed by a Valentino cosplayer at a convention*

Viv:

Limus: *has a VA they like sign a thumbnail for a video she made just because*

Viv:

Imagine staying quiet about 3 confirmed game ends in your fandom as well as an increase of SA threats from the SAME fandom, along with allowing your VAs to commission ship art of a rapist and his victim, yet having the lung capacity to whine about someone having something signed-

Also keep in mind she still has yet to address the blackface Alastor incident but had the energy to speak on something that had virtually NOTHING to do with her-

(Like it's genuinely hilarious given this is the same woman who let one of her VAs [Brandon] call a minor [a confirmed asexual minor] a cock block and did nothing about it as well as letting R2 get away with saying perverted shit to a minor solely because it was ValAngel related; so basically Viv you're saying not to get VAs to be part of some 'agenda or statement' yet you let Val's new VA promote ship art of, and I'll say it again, A RAPIST AND HIS VICTIM. A SHIP SHE HERSELF HAS BEEN PROVEN TO LIKE. IS THAT SHIP NOT AN AGENDA OF YOURS TO GET AWAY WITH POSTING YOUR OVERGLORIFIED SA KINK??????)

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Precisely. Bojack is a show that allows it's characters to be messy and complex. HB is a show that can't allow the messiness and complexities in their characters in fear of them not being 'likeable enough.'

I'm so proud of her. Cut him out of your life Octavia. It's for the best.

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I never fully agree with argument that “Via is sheltered”. I can see if she didn’t fully understand how bad the marriage, but then I remember that she responds to her Mother’s violent outbursts as if they were a usual occurrence. She casually steps over the broken vases like she’s done it before; she has a tendency control her own outbursts in a more restrained manner as seen in Seeing Stars and now in Sinmas. To me it implies she’s half aware that her mother does is wrong, but then have some fans—not all—claim that she likes Stella more even though everything in her body language says otherwise. The only reason she finds it easier to get mad at her Dad is like you once said about it being the black sheep method.

I feel honestly bad for this kid. At best she thinks that behaviour in this family is normal. At worst she just feels alone in a situation she on some level knows is messed up. Like she believed or knows that her Dad cares about her, but when it feels like it’s needed most he isn’t there to at least ease her into this transition. I was slightly forgiving at Looloo Land because I thought he was going to tell her in the future. Seeing Stars made me frustrated because why are we standing around in a studio? Because Blitz gets trick into thinking people finally find him funny? To then cutting to his backstory on how adopted Loona? What about the main mission? A small portion of fans thinks she doesn’t change when the writing itself keeps running through the same arc until the consequences finally catch up with the characters. No, let’s blame some characters instead of how the writing likes to use the characters and their growth.

Honestly, the more of the list of Octavia and her coping mechnasms works, the more fascinating she is. She uses music to cope, like you said, but now we’ve seen her escape her family members sights twice now which is interesting. Still would like to know how she knows IMPs address unless she went there during Looloo Land? Also where’s the castle security or a they just on call?

Sorry if this doesn’t make much sense. Sinmas got under my skin and a small portion of fans blaming a teenager is irritating.

It's okay, I understand what your saying and yeah, fans blaming on her is irritating especially when she's a teenager and her father, Stolas, has done much worse (coercion to Blitzo, neglect to Octavia), yet they don't give him the same blame or frame him as a good father with the "oh if only Via realises how he cares for her" which misunderstands why Via even cutted out Stolas to begin with. He prioritised Blitzo over her from Loo loo land to Mastermind where he almost sacrificed himself for Blitzo and only considers Via once his powers get stripped temporarily (Stolas' sacrifice also feels quite icky from it being Blitzo's reason to 'love' Stolas as if sacrifice makes it obligatory for affection) Your insight into how the environment around her causes her to normalise it or feel isolated by it is spot on. When rewatching Loo loo land, I liked that Stolas couldn't easily explain Stella's abuse to her because it felt realistic for an abused parent trying to explain to their kid of how their other parent is abusive, especially when circumstances lead it to becoming more complicated like cheating. This kind of realistic depiction of abuse is unfortunately erased overtime as the show prioritises us on hating stella by making her a one note over-the-top villain instead of depicting an abusive complex villain. You get a good scene of Stella comforting Octavia as a false pretense for her satisfaction in her presumed ex-husband's death, presenting her manipulation. Yet in Sinmas, she is shown to openly cut Octavia from contacting her father and openly laugh and mock him with her brother. The show cannot decide on how to portray Stella, so long as she is framed as unlikeable in every scene shes in for us to sympathise and root for Stolas.

In fact, I argue that due to Stella and Octavia not receiving any depth compared to Stolas as characters despite the plot giving this family's conflict at least some significance is that they aren't their own characters but prompts; prompts that are for Stolas' gains through different lights. Stella was a prompt to make us sympathies with Stolas that would make us excuse his wrongdoings such as cheating because well, Stella is an abuser and she is constantly unlikeable in every scene. Why should we feel bad for her? Stella is apparently meant to be inspired by Beatrice but these characters direction were the main difference. Beatrice was given backstory and depth because she was intended to be a complex character who is abusive. Stella on the other hand, is a prompt whose abusiveness was used to benefit Stolas' character within the narrative.

Octavia is different where she was a prompt to make Stolas likeable. Everytime Octavia is on screen with some significance to the plot, it always involved her problem being primarily her father and the narrative always focused that Stolas loves Via very much, even explicitly pointed out to her in Seeing Stars like Loona. It's only in Sinmas where this direction has shifted to be the same as Stella where she's now used to make us feel sympathy towards Stolas in the loss of his daughter. Frankly her blaming stolas for taking anti-depressants seem like a tactic of some sort to establish what the framwork is suppose to be; Via isn't understandably cutting off her dad for his neglect because it would make the sympathetic framework of stolas not be effective, so they had to use his anti-depressants in order to make Via cutting off her dad seem unreasonable on surface level. "See? Via is blaming stolas for his depression so she's not entirely right in her cutting him out of her life and therefore, you should feel bad for stolas." It's what these fans don't understand, they only look at the conflict through surface level and not view the bigger picture as despite the anti depressants, Via was reasonable in that situation. Stolas had neglected Via, like you pointed out with him in the film studio, his focus is always on Blitzo first and Octavia second. And what makes it more awful is that Via's experiences applies to many people in real life so for the fandom to demonise her entirely for this when you know people who were Octavia with their fathers before makes you think of it in a different light. A more tragic perspective of a fandom, regardless of intention, demonises those people who were like and related to Octavia in that situation while coddling/sympathizing with the fathers that neglected their Octavias.

Her lack of depth despite the little details as well as her background being the tools to create an interesting thorough character highlights the main issue of the series in how despite desiring to be complex within their characters and conflicts, they manage to fail with their character bias for and against certain characters that reduces their complexities to either make you like or dislike these particular characters. Octavia, like the rest of the characters, had potential yet the writers never utilized that to their advantage. The whole series in general is wasted potential that wasn't properly utilized to their advantage.

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the things some Helluva Boss fans say about Octavia are genuinely terrifying. Yes she's fictional but there are dozens of people that are or were in her position, and it really shows how the series destroyed these people's empathy, or reading comprehension.

and it's just the tip of the iceberg of what the fandom is like.

I despise you.

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octavia redesign

she is, as you can see, was kinda based on the little owl. i don’t know if it was ever confirmed what type of bird she is. i added some brown on her feathers so they look a bit more natural. (it actually made me think… can bird demons dye their feathers like people dye their hair?)

anyways, she has some pins, i also changed the pink on her design to purple, i think it looks good.

i also made her hair look more like feathers

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Limus: *does something*

The standom: BURN THEM AT THE STAKE!!!

Also, I love the common theme of critics being Sir P fans.

Someone last year made fanart of Al pregnant and Amir signed it, and no one had an issue with it. But if an "anti" does something in a similar light, BOO!!!! 🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅

I find what Limus did to be bold but not awful. Fans are acting like she made Alex autograph NSFW art or something. Some of the VAs do have social media accounts and are probably have heard of or aware of certain drama discourse.

This person who said this is 31 years old by the way.

The nerve of this person. Like seriously, fuck that guy.

Sending threats for SA is already a disturbing act but making that threat to someone who made it public that they are a victim of SA is downright sickening. OVER A FUCKING CARTOON!!

This fandom is truly full of sick and twisted individuals.

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loona redesign

i’m actually feeling nice about the I.M.P. designs, i personally don’t see anything wrong with them. however i wanted loona to look more unique, since the design elements in helluva boss/hazbin hotel are often reused. so yeh now she’s goth.

please correct me if i didn’t portray the style right, i’m not goth myself.

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stella redesign

i made her colours more close to the pilot ones. i think they look pretty well. many characters in vivziepop shows have TOO similar colour palettes, hazbin hotel cast for example, so i wanted stella to stang out a bit.

also the colours might tell a story. the imps - the main characters are red, while stella is one of the antagonists. red is the opposite of green, so having green in stella’s design actually makes sense

i also gave her accessories and fancy patterns since she would love to show off

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Many Helluva Boss fans claim to support abuse victims but they only do it to characters they like such as Stolas and not apply it to any other characters in the series like Octavia, who gets demonized for cutting off her neglectful father despite how this experience applies to many people in real life. If your going to demonize a neglected 17 year old just because she wasn't perfect in cutting off her father (while also ignoring her father's flaws of neglecting her to begin with), you should consider if you'd be the same for people who relate to Octavia's experience in that situation in real life. I know these are fictional characters but I also know that their experiences aren't.

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Viv's fandom cult: "We respect other SA victims' experiences and traumas!"

Viv's cult, a literal hour after an SA victim that criticized Hazbin and did nothing wrong to them:

...and the fandom expects to be seen in a better light because of shit like this? Seriously? How apathetic and downright insane you have to be to do this shit, fully knowing that Limus is A SA SURVIVOR?