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To all the Perseus x Andromeda shippers of the world i just found a decent retelling in fanfiction.net called Perseus and Andromeda By: NotSureHowBigYouAre, while i have a few critiques it is actually one of the few that displays the relationship accurateley but sadly it is cancelled.

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Hades watching Persephone eat the pomagrante

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Can someone please recomend me any fanfiction retelling of Hades and Persephone that is actually good and does not depict Hades as goth boy innocent meow meow and Persephone as someone that hates her mother, i am asking because i cant stand the brainrot retellings anymore.

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The only reason i could think Hades would fight Zeus is when Zeus rapes Persephone a second time while she is married to Hades

This is just my personal opinion and it isn't a fully developed but I'll basically try to verbalize one of the possible reasons why Athena is unnecessarily demonized, namely that she doesn’t fit into a "dark aesthetic".

A lot of people - typically young adults and teenagers - usually develop a fascination for a macabre, gloomy, eerie and overall dark aesthetic. This aesthetic is also linked into the awareness of morality, a sense of empowerement and a desire of being unique and different from others.

The main problem is that many people end up confusing the idea of a morally grey, complex character with an aesthetically dark one, and have the impression that if a character has sonething "dark" - wheter this has to do with death, monstruosity, darkness etc. - then it's automatically a complex and interesting one. That character usually turns out to be either labeled as "misunderstood", or have their flaws and wrong deeds erased or twisted.

See how so many people are obssessed with Hades and Persephone purely because of aesthetics, despite the fact that they barely appear in any myths and the major one is literally focusing on a forced marriage and an abduction. Or how Medusa becomes the misunderstood victim in the Media and a lot of headcanons are spread as facts about her despite the fact that even Ovid didn't write them, so that she could be perceived as unique and/or a complete girlboss. Underworld deities in general receive this type of treatment.

Athena, on the other hand, doesn’t fit into this type of aesthetic, or at least not into a classical one. Nor do Demeter, Hera, Perseus or Hephaestus. Which might be part of the reason why they receive unnecessary hate.

P.S: I'm talking here as someone who wears black all the time, is into goth literature and watches horror and disturbing movies. Therefore I have all the right to criticize my own kind.

I agree yeah, there’s this idea that figures like Hera and Athena “uphold the status quo and patriarchy” even tho they are the ones who cause or at least attempt to cause change constantly. They are the ones that try to overthrow Zeus, they are the ones who stand up against him the most or in Athena’s case, step up as a parental figure to his children since he’s rarely a present parent. Hera and Athena are some of the most popular and well known women in myth so it’s unsurprising that they receive a lot of hate from ppl who wanna be contrarian and different.

Hades is never seen as ever directly opposing Zeus, in fact they seem to get along just fine considering the fact that Zeus thought Hades would be a good husband to his daughter (aside from in Claudian’s Rape of Proserpina in which he threatened Zeus to get him a wife which Zeus does), but bc he has a dark aesthetic and has been turned into a shadow daddy by retellings, he’s seen as hating Zeus, rebelling against Zeus, hell even being against him for his violence against women which is RICH coming from Hades of all ppl.

That same mentality is why ppl think Ares is a mama’s boy who would do anything to protect his mom even if he has to confront Zeus when that’s literally Hephaestus’s thing! Hephaestus was the one to defend Hera from Zeus not Ares.

They want the aesthetic of ‘sticking it up to the man’ but not actually sticking it up to the man. Medusa didn’t kill abusers to protect women, Perseus did, he was the one who chose to kill Polydectes, Proetus, Phineus and their goons not Medusa.

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People should talk how Hades has a elephant as his sacred animal.

And often [I have observed that] an elephant that pursues and threatens foretells illness. And one that seizes and manhandles someone signifies death for the observer but, when it does not seize them, it signifies that one, having come upon utmost danger, will be saved. For in fact they say that this animal is sacred to Pluto. (Artemidorus, Oneirocritica, 2.103ff)

Crazy. No one ever told me that elephants were Plouton's sacred animal. Now I have one more piece of "evidence" for my theory that Hades favors Dionysus because Elephants are famous as Dionysus' spoils of the war from India. Just imagine a charming young god arriving at your dark realm with myrtle and an elephant—it's hard not to favor him.

So I doodle as fast as I can and I never tried to draw an elephant before.😂

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I personally feel that casual readers of greek mythology usually forget that the gods are in fact religious figures. They restrict their perception of the gods by placing them in tight boxes as if they're marvel superheroes with a limited amount of "superpowers".

For example people arguing that Aphrodite is not the goddess of love because Eros is and that she's just the goddess of beauty. Their domains aren't restricted to one thing, dang. I've also seen people place foo much emphasis on the Chthonic vs Ouranic deities - some celestial deities had chthonic aspects such as Zeus and Apollo. Demeter herself is a Chthonic deity nut people ignore that because it goes against the story in their head that Demeter has something against them. Even their mythologies, people can't grasp the concept of regional and cultural variations of mythology and their pantheons. The mythology and genealogy of the Orphic Dionysos is different from other regions versions of Dionysus. But instead if trying to understand that they try to cram it all together into one "canon" timeliness which doesn't work because of the contradictory information. If you believe that Zagreus is Dionysos then you have to believe that Rhea is Demeter amd Zeus raped his own mom.

People really rob themselves of the rich history of ancient greek religion and theology by treating mythology as a consistent clean cut story.

I know right, i have seen different media just view the greek gods as just having super powers and ignoring the vast cultural history of the greek gods

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A painting of Zeus thinking how the the babies will perhaps grow up to be mighty heroes or Zeus is just horny for the mother

Caption this. (Greek Mythology Edition)

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I hate how people say Hades isnt the god of death because that is like saying Aphrodite isnt the goddess of love but Eros, but Eros is a diamon and a diamon is a personification of a concept and not a god. A god is a entity that has absolute control over a concept but since every concept has a personification it looks like diamons are the one with the power instead of the gods and it is very clear that Hades was seen as the god of death as Aphrodite was the goddess of love...

my son, to sorrow I bare thee and carried thee within my womb, enduring the pangs of travail; but now Hades takes the fruit of all my hapless toil, and I that had a son am left, ah me (Euripides, Suppliant Women, 918 - ca. 423 BCE )

[Myth.] As for the support of friends, thou thyself must know that we have none; Hades hath taken our friends away (Sophocles, Electra, 946 - ca. 410 BCE )

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More people should talk about the fact that he not only raped but straight up married and called her his queen.

Hello; could you provide the source for Zeus gifting Persephone Thebes if you don’t mind? I’d heard of the other goddesses being referred to as wives of Zeus at some point, but Persephone is a surprise to me and the first I hear of it. If you can, thank you!

Of course. It is the scholia on Euripides' Phoinissai '682. That was new information for me as well.

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Hieronymus, however, says that, when he had descended into Hades, he saw the soul of Hesiod bound fast to a brazen pillar and gibbering, and the soul of Homer hung on a tree with serpents writhing about it, this being their punishment for what they had said about the gods; he also saw under torture those who would not remain faithful to their wives (Diogenes Laertius, Lives of the Philosophers, 8.21 - ca. 240 CE ).

The fact that infedelity is punisment in tartarus in ancient greece of all places is such a plot twist

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I have a headcanon that Persephone is a wine mom because her first child was Zagreus who died and later reincarnated as Dionysus the god of wine, so i think she drinks wine a lot to honor his memory.

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I know right, if somebody wants a asesexual greek god you should pick Artemis and Athena

“Hephaestus is asexual”

“Hephaestus is Aromantic”

“Hephaestus is touch deprived”

“Hephaestus is sexually inexperienced and reads romance novels to understand sex”

Does this look like a guy who is any of these things?

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The fact that the reconsiled after all the betrayal is just wholesome

For all that husband imprisons your children inside your body and wife conspires with your youngest son to have you castrated thing, Gaia and Ouranos seem to be on surprisingly good terms: together they tell Kronos that he will be overcome by his son, together they help Rhea save Zeus from Kronos, together they warn and advise Zeus. And they still have an active sex life, apparently (Athenaeus, The Deipnosophists 13.73): „The earth loves rain when the parch'd plains are dry, And lose their glad fertility of yield From want of moisture. Then the ample heaven, When fill'd with rain, and moved by Aphrodite's power, Loves to descend to anxious earth's embrace; Then when these two are join'd in tender love They are the parents of all fruits to us, They bring them forth, they cherish them; and so The race of man both lives and flourishes. And that most magnificent poet Aeschylus, in his Danaides, introduces Aphrodite herself speaking thus—Then, too, the earth feels love, and longs for wedlock, And rain, descending from the amorous air, Impregnates his desiring mate; and she Brings forth delicious food for mortal man,—Herds of fat sheep, and corn, the gift of Demeter; The trees love moisture, too, and rain descends To indulge their longings, I alone the cause.”

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So hades and Persephone are in a open relationship?

About hades having a male lover are you talking about this

Omg yeah this is it lol

Where is this from?