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Brennan Lee Mulligan during the fireside chat for The Wizard, The Witch, and The Wild One - Episode 9

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Screenshots of excerpts from the transcript of the Worlds Beyond Number podcast’s fireside chat on The Wizard, The Witch, and The Wild One - Episode 9.

Brennan Lee Mulligan: And, to me, that describes so many heartbreaking situations, where something deep and true does come, like- the number one belief I have, in terms of like, whatever my secular morality is— is that there's a weird attitude in some parts of our culture, that like, impulses are sinful, and morality is like a structure?

Aabria Iyengar: YES!

Brennan Lee Mulligan: And that bullshit. Moral impulses are incredibly real. Nobody needs to explain what's wrong with-think of the first age you are, where someone's mean to another kid, or an animal, and something in you goes, "Wrong!!" And that's primal.

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Brennan Lee Mulligan: And like it's-it's brutal! It's very Imperial. It's like this oppressive weight, from a very smart opponent, who is convincing themselves. Like, the reason the arguments have that urgency, is that Suvi is also self-indoctrinating, and it's part of that thing that comes back up. And I think the big, sinister part of, of….. The idea of principle. Like, what, in principle, is different from a demon being bound in a circle of salt, and what you saw happening to Naram out under the derrick. This is-I don't have time to explain this in this talk back. I have issues with the philosophic concept of principle, point blank.

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Brennan Lee Mulligan: Yes. And I think that the idea of principle, from-especially to a wizard, who is all about organization, taxonomy, patterns, and systems-principle is this idea that, maybe is built on sand, right?

Aabria lyengar: Yeah.

Brennan Lee Mulligan: When we think about "what are your principles," we use it as a synonym for being a good person. "Are you principled?" But the idea of principle being like, maxims, axioms, "What are some rules that I can ALWAYS follow?" And speaking of them, like, if you go back to Aristotle's Golden Mean, maybe living by principles produces bizarre, immoral edge cases.

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Brennan Lee Mulligan: So it's this idea of, like-but it's unexamined by Suvi in that moment, and the reason it's unexamined, is because I think it's one of the main tools of the indoctrination of the Empire. What have you already accepted? Right? I see this in ethical discourse all the time, which is why whataboutism is so powerful, in modern philosophical discourse, is people go like, "Okay. You've made a moral point. You've made a call to action. You've said, 'we need to do something to make the world better.' So what I'm going to do is find some other moral failing of yours, hold it up in front of you and say, 'but you did this bad thing like this,' or this other situation occurred that was similar to this, where you did not act. So wouldn't you in fact, be a hypocrite by acting or not acting in a similar way this time?'''

Brennan Lee Mulligan: Which sounds, when you see it in the world, like sound moral reasoning, and it's garbage.

Taylor Moore: [Laughs]

Brennan Lee Mulligan: Because it's basically saying, like, "Instead of helping, why don't you be consistent?" And it's like-

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Brennan Lee Mulligan: It's like stupid. What the fuck is the point of consistency? Like principle as a measurement of consistency, and the Fox's whole deal would be like, "Yeah, yesterday I did something bad and today I'm going to do something good because I want to." That's all.

Erika Ishii: Yeah.

Brennan Lee Mulligan: And someone would be like, "You're a hypocrite." And he'd be like, "Okay! I'm gonna get some fish slurry."

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Would you do it in front of everyone else? I get shy.

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Would you do it in front of everyone else? I get shy.

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Would you do it in front of everyone else? I get shy.

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I told you a story about someone picking my pocket thirty seconds ago and then you pick someone’s pocket?! That was a priest! Don’t get on my ass about it! All I know is that it’s pretty easy to do here, that’s all I took from what you said.

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I just think you should always be really careful about who you tell that you can do that. I just think only the people here know. No one outside of Candela. That’s how it should stay.

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We have a couple of companions who are out right now on an errand, but they will be joining us here shortly, I assume.

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IMOGEN & LAUDNA // “foreigner’s god” by hozier

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"Absolutely!" Orym says, as he thinks of the totally viable plan Imogen thought about 37 days ago.

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"Absolutely!" Orym says, as he thinks of the totally viable plan Imogen thought about 37 days ago.

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Okay, this is just a very simple question. Have you ever been in love before?

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Everything is around you, and you have an unconscious body covered in a blanket on the back of a horse.

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Who is this? Sorry. Hang up! Oh, give me one second, babe.

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TW: It was such a chilling take to see you– to hear you do the devil, going like, [sighs] “I never know what I’m going to look like to people.” Just nonchalant, like chills up my back![...] Not conniving, not arch. MR: You did a lot of terrifying things this entire campaign, but that was the most terrifying. And I’d be lying if. I didn’t say, uh, there was a part of me that was like, “I just saw something that Brennan is capable of.” I’m glad that Brennan is like a good– an incredibly good and moral person to his core. Because you’re very intelligent and I’m like, “Oh, he can tap into this like weird manipulation aspect that is horrifying.”

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LUIS: I want to ask what it was like for you to play our kids? I don’t know, I’m just curious. BLM: There’s a convenience to orphans, which is why from fairy tales and fantasy immemorial– just convenient, right? “I have no attachments, so an adventure makes more sense.” When does Luke leave Tatooine? When his aunt and uncle are dead, right? Spoilers for.... Sorry! But you know what I mean? But I think there’s something to the idea of– In a thing that’s all about stakes and loss, I think it's really necessary. I love doing anything– any familial relationships. Siblings, parents, children...

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Cold hands, warm heart.

BONUS:

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Laudna: :) Imogen: >:( Laudna: : :’(

BONUS LAURA & MARISHA: