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Another good quote:

But you are right, there are morons on both sides. I wish I could control the stupid on the left and make them heel but I can’t.

I am NOT going to fight you on the election but I WILL correct you.

Please, let’s get back to work.

Well I guess an endorsement from Beyoncé and Taylor means nothing to you people

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Do you not know how to laugh? Is joy just something your kind does not possess?

Literally, like chill out. Nobody is coming for you. OP made a joke and I made another joke that, yes, ribbed republicans. Ironic how you lot are the biggest whiners.

Your worldview is obviously small and bubbled and chances are you are finding exactly what you are looking for on the internet you noob. But you are right, there are morons on both sides. I wish I could control the stupid on the left and make them heel but I can’t.

But for me and every non republican I know the election is over. We’re over it. And I’m in D.C., the bluest state. Like everyone here is literally like, “moving on”. Lol

You won’t see any democrat storming the Whitehouse and no respectable democratic politician is going to make a donald/republican/whiny baby of themselves over this. The focus now is midterms and 2028.

Take the win man. And, this is most important, UNCLENCH.

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@english-soda commented:

Your argument is simply “the US must do whatever it can to win”. Why? What makes the US so special? There is no argument for national sovereignty to be made - the US has interfered in more elections, caused more coups and installed more dictators, and invaded more countries than any other currently existing state. There is no moral argument to be made here - the US is committing a genocide as we speak and in the last 70 years has killed more people via itself and its aforementioned puppet states than any other state. The only way “the US must win at any cost” is a viable argument is if you do not care about anything other than national power and global hegemony. In which case you are no better than Russia, or any of the European empires of the early modern period

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My response:

To be clear: My argument was “the Israeli-Palestinian war is not a valid reason for voting in favour of a Trump over Harris”.

But in response to “the U.S. must do whatever it can to win” and “the U.S. must win at all costs” I would first attempt to clarify those statements:

1: For myself I prefer “the U.S. and its allies…”

2: understanding that war existed long before America was even founded (since the dawn of man?) and that people and countries and governments WILL go to war even without America’s influence, I would also want to clarify further “the U.S. and its allies have been at war throughout their history…”

3: understanding how “whatever it takes” or “at all costs” would create a moral and ethical dilemma for anyone who isn’t a sociopath, I always find it important here to highlight three things and clarify further with —

(i) every life lost in a war on any side matters and in the end the most ethical path is to have as few casualties for the allies as possible WITHOUT trying to avoid war since, as highlighted above, war has so far been inevitable and this is the “fault” of no one country;

(ii) understanding that there is no moral high ground in war if you are not making these sacrifices to ultimately achieve victory for your causes and the causes of the allies because otherwise we might as well have let the enemy (who exists and has existed in every war since before America) exert whatever will or reality they have sought/seek to exert and…

(iii) “win” is probably a gross oversimplification but consider that the outcome of these wars MUST matter and that different weights are given to different outcomes but in the end since war has always been, and if we must be always actively positioning ourselves (and allies) in a war it must be in order to gain advantage in, at the very least, not having the enemy advance because we recognise that what we are fighting against is the desired outcome of these enemy (for myself Nazism, Facism, religious states, etc.)…

The above also leads to the clarification of “win” since this isn’t some simple sport or game, but ultimately my argument would be:

“The U.S. and its allies (the allies) have been at war with the enemy throughout their history and must seek to gain and secure advantage in the ongoing war against the outcomes that the allies deem to be UNACCEPTABLE and must act with the understanding that the sacrifices of the allies will not be in vain and with the aim to mitigate losses (especially for the allies) since each loss the allies suffer is also an advantage for the enemy and to suffer these losses in order to “avoid” a war is inherently not pragmatic and is a morally/ethically inferior position to take compared to prioritising the losses of the allies…”

I think this is the argument I would make and this would, of course, be part of a bigger, more complex dialogue, which I am happy to continue. I would need some clarification on what your arguments are (@english-soda) preferably while avoiding the pitfalls of trying to oversimplify what is inherently complex.

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This is scathing

oh someone at the guardian has lost the will to live

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Republicans were ready to blame the illuminati if they had lost. The illuminati might have thrown the election to save their skins.

Well I guess an endorsement from Beyoncé and Taylor means nothing to you people

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Stages of election denial

First: why is America so divided on this no-brainer?

Then: what is America’s problem with Harris that they’d prefer Trump?

Now: I see…Trump really does represent the majority. This is what the majority of America is.

But that is if people actually voted on the issues.

If they did it’s a tough message to send to the rest of the world.

Reads like: “Things are about to get worse before they get progressive.”

Signed: Superpower and former leader of the “free” world - America

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Speaking as a non-American: this matters to me so hard.

Terrified really is the word.

Even for those who just see America as a beacon…affirming trump’s rhetoric by electing him also affirms all the prejudice, bias and bigotry that is prevalent in my country as well. It emboldens the conservatives here and makes things worse while putting progress that much more out of reach.

We all care about the situation in Palestine and that seems to be the main reason people don’t want to vote for Harris but how does putting trump in power (by not ensuring the candidate with the best chance of beating him is elected) makes things better? Do you think trump is going to stop Israel? Why would you believe that?

The best outcome for everyone is a more progressive/democratic America and that is not a trump America.

We are all watching. It matters to us too even though we cannot vote. And there are conservatives here who are hoping trump wins too if only because it sends the message that there bigotry is valid.

Please, let’s not go back. Please preserve the integrity of the American democracy and please protect the hope in this beacon. Please. You might have no idea how much this matters, but it does. Even if only symbolically.

In case any Americans are not aware of this: the rest of the world is FUCKING TERRIFIED of how this election is going to go. If trump wins, it affects more than just America. If trump wins, it will fuck so many other countries in so many ways.

So first of all, PLEASE VOTE. The rest of the world doesn't get to vote in your election, but we do get directly impacted by your election, so please do what we can't, and vote.

Secondly, remember that you're not just voting for America. You're voting on behalf of the all the countries that will be impacted by this election.

Please, for the love of God, vote blue, and save not just America from a second trump term, but the whole goddamn world.

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A friendly reminder to USians: if you are planning to vote on Election Day, your mantra is "Nothing I see today convinces me not to go vote."

Exit polls suggest DT cannot be caught? YOU STILL GO VOTE.

Exit polls suggest KH has it in the bag? YOU STILL GO VOTE.

Pundits are saying the country is swinging overwhelmingly red? YOU STILL GO VOTE.

Pundits are saying the country is swinging overwhelmingly blue? YOU STILL GO VOTE.

Polls can be misleading (intentionally or not). The methodology can be biased (or simply poor). Early results may not reflect what the full count will show. There may be a red mirage. NOTHING YOU SEE CONVINCES YOU NOT TO VOTE.

The biggest Democratic win in swing states means nothing if democrats don't turn out everywhere to keep the reliably blue states blue.

VOTE. Wear appropriate weather gear if you think you may have to stand in a line outside (coat, hat, gloves, umbrella, sunhat, whatever, you know where you live). Bring water and a snack and something to do (book, game on your phone, podcast and headphones, whatever, you know what you like). GO VOTE.

NOTHING YOU SEE ON ELECTION DAY CONVINCES YOU NOT TO VOTE.

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Understanding Government and International Relations

Premise: Countries are and have been at war, even when there are no active battlefields.

The problem isn’t America. Countries already have plenty of reasons to go to war without America’s interference. The problem isn’t any one country. The problem is people, including charismatic leaders (not unlike hitler) and those that follow, whether it’s just a wage man or a soldier with a rifle.

Fact: people can always be rallied to hate, fight and oppose.

This naturally leads to the forming of allies and enemies.

Fact: a country can decide to go to war without the blessing of another.

But the global community does have a vested interest in these wars and their outcomes.

Fact: a country will find a way to fund and support their war.

Where this support comes from can determine and shift global alliances.

Point: America supporting Israel instead of fighting them might seem like a wholly egregious act but considering the importance of allies, considering that Israel was going to war anyway and would seek support from wherever they might reasonably receive it, including countries like China (supporting Russia and in the war against Ukraine and currently actively threatening Taiwan’s (allied with America and Japan) sovereignty), this decision might be better for a more peaceful future, keeping in mind that Israel was going to war anyway.

Point: global politics is a minefield and a very tenuous network of diplomatic ties. There is rarely a “simple” or “easy” choice and sometimes it is choosing the lesser of two evil choices (like some might feel about Kamala over trump).

Point: voting for Trump (actually, not voting Harris) to make a point the war in Israel is not in your best interest if you are anti-war.

Point: try to take a balanced approach, and think about other issues as well. This war isn’t Kamala’s fault and neither is the current global political climate. Meanwhile, we have already attributed the rise of demagoguery and much of the anti-progressive and warmongering rhetoric that has arisen since 2018 to Trump’s presidency.

Progress takes time and work…let’s not undo what we’ve done so far. We can’t go back.

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One of the main problems that hinders democracy from functioning in the way that the average person expects it to function is the fact that countries are actively at war even when there isn’t an active invasion.

This is related to another main problem—the human element, i.e., corruption, greed, ignorance and genuine evil.

In the case of America and the pragmatism that it runs on, this will mean (and for no other reason than national security) that the public will not have the same information that the military operates on. But, this same poorly informed public, voting on what they know, make their decisions based on the limited information they do have. We can call this conundrum 1.

But conundrum 1 and issues outlined above are not isolated.

Other relevant factors here influencing the success of democracy is disinformation, egos, faith, personal beliefs, personal ties and general innate human fallibility. Not to mention social media, societal pressures and other external factors.

All of this chaos means you have woefully underinformed, miseducated, ignorant individuals with convictions as strong as any religious fanatic’s.

All of this and everyone will act as of they are right even if in the end it is only belief informed by what they know. This includes YOU.

No one listens and no one is willing to consider any perspective that doesn’t confirm what they already believe. This also includes YOU.

To be sure, the homo-economicus does not exist. But a modicum of rational thought will lead to the clear choice of Kamala Harris over trump in this election.

This, however, does not account for biases, prejudices, ignorance and faith-based personal beliefs. Basically everything that drives the majority of voters. Rational outcome then goes out the window…conundrum 2.

TBC

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“That is a fair question. And let me give you my best answer. And that is that even on this issue, Donald Trump and his right wing friends are worse.

In the senate, in congress, republicans have worked overtime to block humanitarian aid to starving children in Gaza…”

-Bernie Sanders

I'm sure many people have already shared this here, but I think it's important that people here on Tumblr need to see this.

"I disagree with Kamala's position on the war in Gaza. How can I vote for her?" by US Senator Bernie Sanders

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You reblog this stuff thinking it will open people’s eyes and the real America will show up to show that they aren’t this but…so many people turned up; so many people cheered.

When they say who they are, believe them.

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Republicans against Trump is very relevant.

If women vote in their own best interest this election will be a landslide.

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The sorry part is that this despicable rhetoric is filed in support of Harris.

This does not even function well enough to be elevated to be presented as rhetoric. We would have all been better off if he had not written anything. I cannot imagine the mind…the thinking…I guess no one escapes the stupid…not even Pulitzer prizers.

We should give out fallibility prizes just so the intelligentsia doesn’t get too used to the smell of their own bullsh*t

unsurprising from professional award winning idiot thomas friedman but at this point this shit is so fucking odious it's genuinely unparodyable. you could not make up a statement this stupid and evil if you were trying. bro do you hear yourself. this man has won two pulitzer prizes for his journalism on israel and lebanon

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