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Idk if it’s just me but I think it was peak comedy when Jughead was like YOU HAVE TO REPORT THAT YOU WERE WITH ETHEL and Julian was like “hmph no, that’s balderdash. I’m Chuck Bass” and then Jughead squared up like Scrappy Doo and hit him just once, gave him a stern talking to and Julian immediately shifted course and told the truth, implying he’s either that afraid of Jughead or that brief speech about entitled rich boys made him change his whole worldview that fast. Imagine being that much of a one note cliché of a high school bully. Tremendous stuff.

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Always thought it was the weirdest take that anything William said or felt was out of line. She legit demanded to know the truth, packed on to an already humiliating moment at the party with a needlessly cold and malicious rejection. I understand the comics expand on her POV in a more favorable light, but taking it at the face value of what he went through that night, he felt exactly what anyone in his position who’d dealt with a lifetime of societal rejection would have. In no way did he behave as if he was entitled to anyone’s love.

I am having thoughts I feel compelled to write down against my will. Anyway. Regarding spike and cecily: Spike's reaction to Cecily's rejection had nothing to do with Cecily! Not really. Cecily was just the metaphorical straw that broke the camels back, yeah? Cecily was the culmination of rejection from society, peers, etc. It's the knowledge that no matter what you do, you'll always we on the outside looking in, it will never be enough. Now, Cecily, of course, is not responsible for spikes feelings. She is under no obligation to be favorable to his attention or even to be nice. Spike does not feel entitled to her affection either, in fact he very much seems like he doesn't expect it. But it's not about her and it's not about Spike getting his heart broken. She essentially tells him he doesn't belong, and never will, and he believes her. Yes yes boo hoo. Understandably, he leaves the party upset. When he runs into Drusilla (not knowing who or what she is), she offers him something: a chance to belong. To me this is a guy who seems like he has essentially nothing to lose, so why not? His mom's dying, he has no friends, and he's an outcast among his peers. Cecily has hammered home how he is beneath her (beneath them, never enough, never will be). But Spike didn't become a vampire out of spite, it was hopelessness, the 'what the hell?' of it all. (Not that I think he knew what he was doing or asking for because I don't think he did.) I just don't think he particularly cared. Sometimes I see the take that spike felt entitled to Cecily's attention and reciprocation, and I just. Don't see it? Like he doesn't argue with her, he just honestly answers the questions she asks. When she does reject him with telling him that he's nothing to her and beneath her, again he doesn't argue or take out any anger on her (which he shouldnt). He just removes himself from the situation to go cry alone. I mean, he's allowed to be upset by that. It wasn't like he was hurting anyone.

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Imagine telling someone who’s still in the middle of watching season 2 that Veronica in an alternate timeline is disappointed with Jughead for how women are depicted in another alternate timeline inside that alternate timeline created by main season 7 alternate timeline Jughead’s imagination and it’s impacting how she is seeing him in the main alternate timeline of the season (not to be confused with the main alternate timeline we visited last season), so now the Veronica of the main season 7 alternate timeline is moving onto the next one to stay true to what Veronica in the main Riverdale timeline told main timeline Reggie about being single and dating a lot. I think we all know what they’d be thinking.

“Wait, which one is Reggie again?”

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I think it’s possible that Jay is Brooke’s son and not Jackie’s. The framing was ambiguous enough to imply he’s Jackie’s kid but they had no interaction and Kelso said something along the lines of Jay has his dad’s looks and his mom’s brains, but no name. Jackie was never dumb like Kelso by any means, but Brooke was framed as a bookish, kind, emotionally mature character compared to Jackie, and since children of legacy characters seem to have to be a hybrid of their parents, it would explain why Jay isn’t AS vain as his parents and seems more openly emotionally mature/sensitive? I could be totally wrong but it seems plausible.

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“You look… insane right now.”

Delivery of that line was genuinely hilarious. Veronica telling him there’s Swiss cheese where his brain is supposed to be was also top notch.

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My personal headcanon is that when Batman says “I am Vengeance” it’s because he wanted that to be his superhero name and is putting it out there for branding purposes to spread the word. When people just called him Batman instead, he was like “aw man, but I wanted to be Vengeance!”

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The first time I watched Midnight Mass, I remember feeling that Bev’s end was underwhelming because she met the same fate as everyone else and that was too good for her. She represented such a detestably pure evil under the veil of righteousness that I just wanted it to be worse for her.

The second time watching it I realized how poetic and satisfying it really was. The entire show, she was the character who presented herself as having the most faith and the most special relationship with God, and everyone else seemed to fall short of how one with the higher power she believed herself to be. Everything was always “part of God’s plan.” There was scripture to explain everything that ever happened no matter how tragic or of her own doing. She claimed to put herself in Jesus’s hands always, and she exuded that everyone else was lost compared to her.

But in the face of death, she is the ONLY PERSON ON THE ENTIRE ISLAND who is groveling and crying and cowering and desperately, pathetically seeking any escape from the Sun. Meanwhile everyone else on the island - all the “lesser” Christians, the Muslims, the atheists, the whatever - all of them are in a state of peace, ready for whatever comes next.

Because all of them have more faith than her. Faith is what her entire sense of self-righteousness is built on the entire series, and in the end she has less of it than everybody left.

That’s brutal, and super perfect.

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the sbtb fandom is bigger on twitter but it’s still not big enough on there 😭

Oooo interesting

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Saved by the Bell reboot fandom is way too small for me to ship Mac and Daisy as hard as I do.

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Those of you who think it’s “unrealistic” that Peacemaker’s 100% human himbo simp for the United States government ass would survive being shot in the throat have not been watching John Cena’s reign of good ol’ boy terror since 2005 and it shows. “John Cena could get shot in the face and still kick out at 2” is one of the most important jokes in the wrestling fanboy culture and I for one felt properly represented. The rest of you can check yourself.

If anything the movie was being relaxed on his true powers by just making it a tiny bullet to the neck. If this was WWE he’d conquer some crazy shit Sunday night on the pay-per-view and be sprinting down to the ring the next night on RAW throwing a hat at a child and talmbout “boy oh boy that was nuts when the Undertaker set me on fire but it just goes to show that if you never give up and believe in yourself that-“

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I agree that it is weird and is supposed to be weird; weird enough to cause a huge branch and then further explained to the audience how weird it is by Mobius, and that it is an intended metaphor for loving oneself that will be a hit for some and miss for others. I mean, we’re dealing with a character who like a couple days ago in his own timeline tried to enslave all of Earth because he thought that would be a dope way to stick it to his dad and brother, so I’m not too bothered with him making a cosmically unconventional romantic choice (since they are, again, not narratively promoting something harmful in real life with this storyline). What I’m trying to hone in on is that people do this thing where when something on a show doesn’t mesh with them, not only is it a “I don’t like this” but it also has to go into this deep dive into why that thing is a problem beyond being not that person’s cup of tea, and likening this to incest was to me a particularly far reach in that super common fandom practice. We know that one of Sylvie’s biological parents was a version of Laufey and that her adoptive father was a version of Odin etc. just as there is probably some adjacent story for alligator Loki. ... Would it be incesty if Loki made out with that alligator? I mean, that would be problem for a whole bunch of other reasons, yes, but I’m going to go out on a limb that they probably don’t have the same genes? And certainly don’t perceive themselves as siblings? I’m elaborating on this aspect because you said it’s more like cloning Wolverine but is it though? /thor

Also do you think about the optics of this stuff in every story where there is a human who has a romantic and/or sexual relationship with a human-shaped outer space alien? You know that you’re technically watching an interspecies coupling and that those characters are not optimal for reproduction either, and more importantly, there’s a good chance that them having sex could cause a whole bunch of disease and stuff, right? Mating outside of your species can literally kill people but I don’t think anyone really cares about Star-Lord and Gamora getting it on for that reason. Because (due to the circumstance in that story and its irrelevancy to our lives unless we actually started mingling with humanoid aliens and had to figure those new social norms out) it just does not matter. And in story, they’ll probably just say that there are no such issues and that they can have all the disease free sex they want or even healthy half human half outer space alien babies. Because fuck it, why not?

What you said about “most people are just angry because” is in my opinion the reality for the most part for why this discourse is even happening in the fandom. There are people who wanted to see the male character paired with someone else, in this case Mobius, and that didn’t happen, so now it has to go beyond that and as a disingenuous form of attack Sylvie/Loki is likened to something it is nothing like... thinly veiling what most people really want to say with “uhhhh guys y’all support sibling sex now? Couldn’t be me! Imagine being immoral and shipping selfcest srtgjoisrjgtoritgj”.

I would have been here for Loki and Mobius going the route of allies to friends to lovers and can easily see how the story could have been written that way and been done well, and I can see how that’s disappointing, and I can see how someone hoping for that would be upset.

... but can’t they just say that?

Is it, like, hard to say “I really wanted for this show to go the route of the titular character being in a male/male relationship with a character I feel he has a lot of chemistry with and I feel that that would be stronger and bolder than the narrative choice that they made” without altering those words into “this storyline is problematic because Sylvie and Loki are basically like family, sort of like long lost siblings or clones of each other, and Marvel should be careful about promoting incest adjacent storylines because it is major cringe”?

It’s just super transparent and using a real issue like incest as a smokescreen in a crappy way.

I’m sure who needs to hear this but “selfcest” is not a thing that is comparable in any way to any real life crime or wrongdoing and is therefore not setting a bad example about anything and is therefore not a problematic component that needs to be called out. Anyone can like or not like a pairing, but this is like the pinnacle of reaching to explain why the pairing someone doesn’t like is also “inappropriate” or “toxic.” Falling for (if you take the framing and Mobius’s words at face value) an alternate timeline version of yourself is not a thing anyone will have an opportunity to do nor is it likely that any impressionable mind is going to watch this show and then feel like falling in romantic love with oneself is the move.

If you are going the genetic route with this, the sci-fi on this is so vague that it’s not even concrete that they are biologically family even if they share some cosmic Loki oneness. Just the fact that Sylvie established she was born as the Goddess of Mischief and one Loki is Black makes their physical “sameness” a question mark that will probably never be answered (and yes, people of different races/sexes/genders can be related to each other before someone points out the obvious. That’s not the point I’m making here 😂) and really doesn’t need to be answered because it’s not pivotal to the story nor is it an action anyone can repeat in real life.

… Also apparently one of them is a fucking alligator or something, though I will wait and see if that is its natural form. If it is, they are definitely not biological fam.

Like or don’t like them, whatever, but do we need to construct completely made up “problems”? Some of y’all are saying “we don’t support selfcest” like it’s an epidemic that the show is now normalizing. There’s only one physical real life act you even could compare it to, and if you are reading this, chances are you do it to yourself. … If you are here on a regular basis, chances are you do it to yourself more often than the average person in lieu of someone to do it for you, and that is okay too.

Love yourself… like Loki.

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“ So because selfcest can’t exist in real life that means we can’t compare it to anything? You could argue that almost anything a character does in fiction can’t set a bad example if its not possible in real life.“ It isn’t just that it can’t happen in real life. It’s also that it’s not applicable to any type of real life harmful behavior that can be mimicked in any way that would make them problematic to write. There are stories in the realm of the supernatural or science fiction that couldn’t really happen but the personal relationships within the story and the dynamics of it can be emulated, which is where let’s not promote the wrong thing often comes into conversation. There is no course of action for a real person to take if they become so enamored by the idea of being in a romantic relationship with their alternate timeline selves that they feel like they must have that too. As opposed to other arguments you can make in other media where a fictional couple is normalizing/romanticizing a situation that is damaging in real life.  “ It’s not far fetched to think of loki and sylvie like two siblings separated at birth.” You can think of that in that way and headcanon it in your personal mind space in that way, but it is nothing like what actually happened. They are variants of the same being who - in some supernatural sense - are connected cosmically by destiny to serve a particular function in a different version of the same story, and in Sylvie’s case she pretty much abandoned the destiny of being “a Loki” after that life was forcibly taken from her. “ If anything loki x sylvie is more similar to cloning a person using their DNA like with x-23 and wolverine. And that kind of cloning in real life isn’t even that far fetched it just won’t happen wuth humans due to ethics. “ So like, it’s not like that at all because this is more based on the idea of the cosmos and fate than it is genetics based sci-fi, and I mentioned in the original post how there are a lot of things that were said or shown in that last episode that raise a question mark on the biology of the Lokis, which probably won’t be concretely answered because it doesn’t need to be, and there are no ethical concerns because the story is not connected to any real life behavior in the slightest. You cannot be in a relationship with another version of you (of a different name, physical appearance, and for the most part a different life entirely once she was removed from her timeline) in another version of your literal life, and there is no “close enough” real life go-to for someone who for some reason is inspired by this show to want to do that. Other than masturbating and trying to make that more romantic than it probably should be, but at least that person is just being creepy on their own. Probably. (Joking aside, I guess someone could be inspired to want to find a life partner who has been through similar experiences, trauma, and has similar strengths and weaknesses?)

I think with the cloning comparison and the lost at birth sibling comparison, you are doing a lot of I headcanoned it this way and now the canon is doing this which makes my headcanon icky and uncomfortable. I SAW them as brother and sister and/or genetic clones and now they are making heart eyes at each other. Ick. Which is not the same as that actually being what happened on the actual program.

I’m sure who needs to hear this but “selfcest” is not a thing that is comparable in any way to any real life crime or wrongdoing and is therefore not setting a bad example about anything and is therefore not a problematic component that needs to be called out. Anyone can like or not like a pairing, but this is like the pinnacle of reaching to explain why the pairing someone doesn’t like is also “inappropriate” or “toxic.” Falling for (if you take the framing and Mobius’s words at face value) an alternate timeline version of yourself is not a thing anyone will have an opportunity to do nor is it likely that any impressionable mind is going to watch this show and then feel like falling in romantic love with oneself is the move.

If you are going the genetic route with this, the sci-fi on this is so vague that it’s not even concrete that they are biologically family even if they share some cosmic Loki oneness. Just the fact that Sylvie established she was born as the Goddess of Mischief and one Loki is Black makes their physical “sameness” a question mark that will probably never be answered (and yes, people of different races/sexes/genders can be related to each other before someone points out the obvious. That’s not the point I’m making here 😂) and really doesn’t need to be answered because it’s not pivotal to the story nor is it an action anyone can repeat in real life.

… Also apparently one of them is a fucking alligator or something, though I will wait and see if that is its natural form. If it is, they are definitely not biological fam.

Like or don’t like them, whatever, but do we need to construct completely made up “problems”? Some of y’all are saying “we don’t support selfcest” like it’s an epidemic that the show is now normalizing. There’s only one physical real life act you even could compare it to, and if you are reading this, chances are you do it to yourself. … If you are here on a regular basis, chances are you do it to yourself more often than the average person in lieu of someone to do it for you, and that is okay too.

Love yourself… like Loki.

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I’m sure who needs to hear this but “selfcest” is not a thing that is comparable in any way to any real life crime or wrongdoing and is therefore not setting a bad example about anything and is therefore not a problematic component that needs to be called out. Anyone can like or not like a pairing, but this is like the pinnacle of reaching to explain why the pairing someone doesn’t like is also “inappropriate” or “toxic.” Falling for (if you take the framing and Mobius’s words at face value) an alternate timeline version of yourself is not a thing anyone will have an opportunity to do nor is it likely that any impressionable mind is going to watch this show and then feel like falling in romantic love with oneself is the move.

If you are going the genetic route with this, the sci-fi on this is so vague that it’s not even concrete that they are biologically family even if they share some cosmic Loki oneness. Just the fact that Sylvie established she was born as the Goddess of Mischief and one Loki is Black makes their physical “sameness” a question mark that will probably never be answered (and yes, people of different races/sexes/genders can be related to each other before someone points out the obvious. That’s not the point I’m making here 😂) and really doesn’t need to be answered because it’s not pivotal to the story nor is it an action anyone can repeat in real life.

… Also apparently one of them is a fucking alligator or something, though I will wait and see if that is its natural form. If it is, they are definitely not biological fam.

Like or don’t like them, whatever, but do we need to construct completely made up “problems”? Some of y’all are saying “we don’t support selfcest” like it’s an epidemic that the show is now normalizing. There’s only one physical real life act you even could compare it to, and if you are reading this, chances are you do it to yourself. … If you are here on a regular basis, chances are you do it to yourself more often than the average person in lieu of someone to do it for you, and that is okay too.

Love yourself… like Loki.

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Loki seeing his intended life’s journey and realizing the truth of his “glorious purpose” was like that part in Toy Story where Buzz sees the Buzz Lightyear commercial and realizes that he is in fact just a toy.

With that depressing ass Randy Newman song talmbout “and I... will go sailin’... nooooo mo’ :(“.

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I might be alone in this and that’s okay.

But I hope Reggie fucked Nana Rose.

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If Reggie is “100% straight” then this is the only logic he could have had for reacting the way he did for randomly picking a man’s key at a key party in which the whole point is to not know who he is picking.