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bymarara · 5 months ago
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Ross Duffer has posted a couple of new images. In one of them, we see Disney's 1951 CANONIC Alice.
For those who don't remember or have forgotten what I said about this.
In some of the videos, we see Holly wearing something resembling very strongly, the original Alice dress.
I think that Henry has put Holly in a trance for his own purposes (which are not clear to me, personally, only speculation) and befriended her. He placates her by sending her, perhaps, to her favorite fairy tale.
It is at this point that Holly will probably get lost and the search for her will begin.
Holly Wheeler, will become the Alice in her own mind, in Henry's fairy tale.
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bymarara · 5 months ago
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OH MY FUCK WILL IS A WIZARD!
Stay with me now, I made a post a month-ish ago analyzing D&D in stranger things (which I recommend you read *winkity wink*), specifically addressing the party’s characters. We all know that Mike said that Will is a cleric in s2 to Max. BUT, it can be confusing because will’s character is named “Will the Wise” and he is dressed like a wizard. One might be able to argue, “well his name and clothes don’t mean that much to his class” well yeah you’d be right. But one thing that DOES showcase the class of a character is the moves they are able to make.
Clerics are able to cast spells based on the domain they occupy/the god they serve. To my knowledge, wizards don’t really have this problem of needing to be in a certain domain to cast a certain spell.
In s1 ep 01 Will casts fireball, a spell that can be cast by a Wizard or a Cleric, if they occupy the light domain. Recently I saw a post that showed this screenshot from s2
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And I noticed the spell that Mike was talking about in his story. Fog Cloud is a spell that can be cast by multiple classes but most notably by Wizards and Clerics in the Water Domain.
It’s not very practical for a Cleric to occupy multiple domains for storytelling aspects but also, it makes the Cleric’s gameplay just a little overpowered.
So basically, Will probably isn’t occupying two domains and is more likely a Wizard. Which begs the question, why did Mike say he was a cleric?
TLDR; Two spells specifically mentioned in the show to be casted by Will can only be casted by him if he is a Wizard or Cleric occupying multiple domains, which doesn’t really make sense.
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bymarara · 5 months ago
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Ok but can we talk about how most of Will's pining shots are just shots of him being normal with fancy closeups and music and most of Mike's normal shots are of him pining?
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Upset at being ignored*, worried about the state of his friendship, worried about Mike - who is clearly upset. The only truly romantic twinged ones I would say are his reaction to Mike's apology and of course, the painting speech and all. This is not an argument for the people who denied, it was very clear, it's more further proof of how much framing can do to show you things consistently present (which makes me excited for season 5 all over again! Whatever the leaks, we can never predict the camera angles)
*when he isn't being ignored he's pretty chill about Mike and El. No reaction to their kiss or forehead touch. Additionally, asking what the difference is between you and someone who is being treated better than you is super normal also. And as an add-on, not wanting to grow up too fast (3x03) is also a symptom of trauma. Also I shouldn't have to say that hugging your best friend is normal.
Our boy is like super normal and successful at being in the closet. Meanwhile Mike...
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Really, it just goes to emphasize Mike's queerness how subtle Will is. He actually has done very very little suspicious. Which means that Mike's reaction is a hypersensitive one due to it already being on his mind.
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bymarara · 5 months ago
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Thinking about this again. Every other time he was sad. Every other time he was hurt. Every other time he made himself small. Some other times, he even thought Will was dead, but not anymore. Still, this time it was rage.
This time it was personal.
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He doesn't even get this way on the cliff. Only here. A switch flips in him for a moment and you can see it. I said on my recent rewatch that I believed he was straight for all of season 1 except here. The others all reacted how Mike usually does too. They're upset. They're disgruntled. Mike is wounded. This time was different for him. This time it hit home and something shifts. This time, it breaks his resolve. Other times, he walked away. He walked off a cliff. But he never shut down and fought back. So ask, what was different about this time? In what way did they go too far so Mike stepped out from the group?
Everything about season 1 is perfectly above board. But this - this wasn't just about Will.
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bymarara · 5 months ago
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When Max first goes to dance with Lucas, it cuts back to Dustin's sad face alone. Only when the shot is of both Will and Max dancing with people does it cut back to show Mike in the shot too. They could have cut back to the same closeup on Dustin. They didn't.
Reminder that every new shot requires them to re-set up the camera, and to justify that, every new shot needs to provide new information.
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They added new information. We also already knew Dustin was upset. They were doing it to parallel them.
Similarly, this shot was not a shot that stayed on Mike when Will left. It was a shot they cut back to. Maybe I'm wrong, but it wasn't that required to cut on motion. He had already visibly started moving in the shot with the girl. This shot was purely a reaction shot for Mike watching Will go with the girl. Now why is that something we need either? Why is he emotionally invested at all?
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bymarara · 5 months ago
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With all these leaks floating around I feel like it’s important to remember one thing:
There is no such thing as a trustworthy, credible leaker.
I don’t care if you get leaks from your own mom who works in production. I don’t care if you get leaks from the Duffers themselves. No matter who they’re from, you’re playing a game of whisper down the lane.
You have to remember that anyone can pretend to be a credible source. You have to remember that any real original sources still have their own internal biases and interpretations of a limited scope of the show. You have to remember that leaks lose their credibility the more mouths they pass through. You have to remember that even the most trustworthy people can lie. There will always be inevitable missing context, misinterpretation, and/or lies.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there were people on set specifically told to spread fake information to leakers. There could also be specific pieces of true/half true information they allow to spread. Production is well aware that people are trying to pry into the contents of season 5.
All these leak accounts are looking for engagements, for noise around their posts. That’s why most leaks pertain to the mileven/byler love triangle. Any leak that claims mileven or byler endgame should honestly just be thrown to the side immediately. That leaker would have to know ALL of the context of every scene of them filmed and where they fit on a timeline to be able to say that. We can expect time travel/flashbacks/Vecna visions in s5, so they’d have to account for that too. A person with access to that knowledge has too much to lose to break their NDAs and tell random people on the internet spoilers.
The only things you can trust (once AI is ruled out) are pictures and videos. Even with those, you have to remember that they’re taken out of context. (There’s also actor location, which is sort of safe to trust since it has nothing to do with the contents of the show. Everything that comes from actor location is speculation.)
Some leaks will be right. Some almost right. Many will be wrong.
Have fun with the leaks, but be careful if you choose to use them to build expectations of season 5.
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bymarara · 5 months ago
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We all know this was Mike admitting that he was paying attention to Will all day. There are barely any frames of Mike looking at Will to prove this, but that’s because they didn’t need them.
Mike was trying so hard to act like a good boyfriend. He got El flowers, kissed her on the forehead, made small talk, held her hand, sat next to her, shared her milkshake. Even with all that, you can feel how awkward and empty the actions are. All three of them are uncomfortable, for different reasons obviously, but Will is literally the only reason Mike has to be uncomfortable. He thinks he’s on good terms with El, and he doesn’t know about Angela.
He reveals in his fight with Will the source of his discomfort was Will “moping and barely talking”. He was paying so much attention to Will, like he always has. When El is clearly uncomfortable about Angela taking her away, Mike is sass-faced and sipping on his milkshake, just like his dad. He doesn’t notice anything until he sees how uncomfortable Will is. He doesn’t stand up until Will does.
He opens up their fight by scolding Will for not telling him El was having problems. This is what he meant: “I know I was paying more attention to you than to El, but if you had talked to me I would’ve know I needed to pay attention to her like I do to you!”
Mike was doing more than just paying attention to Will. He was still operating like they were a team, like they always have been.
No matter what, they’ve always shared the important stuff. Throughout season 3 they kept working together even though they were fighting, but this time Mike thought Will stopped (ontop of the radio silence between s3 and s4). This is the day he felt like he truly lost Will. He felt like they weren’t a team anymore, felt like he was the only one trying to be.
That’s what Mike really meant when he equated worrying too much about El with losing Will. He spent the entire day at RoM worrying about how he was appearing with El, how he was acting as a boyfriend. This was him admitting that he got so caught up in his role playing that it messed with his head and made him try to shift all the blame onto Will. (I’d say it reaches beyond RoM and into their season 3 fighting too).
That’s also why being a team is the first thing he brings up in his ascending list of relationship titles (working together, a team, friends, best friends). In Mike’s mind, being a team with Will is something that comes before basic friendship. With Will, being a team is the lowest they can be “reduced” to during their fights. Mike took some time to think on the extra context from their fight to realize that Will wasn’t actually abandoning him in that regard.
And, during their first heart to heart after the fight, Mike seems so giddy about Will being receptive to his “looks like it’s gonna be up to us again”.
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To Mike, that was confirmation that they still were a team. It was confirmation that they were just miscommunicating, and Will still loved the idea of being a team with him. This heart to heart is what gives him the courage to make his apology; it was his proof that he really was just misreading things in RoM.
Mike felt guilty about paying so much attention to Will that El ended up getting hurt. Just like he felt guilty about paying so much attention to El that Will ended up getting hurt (the rain fight).
Mike can’t balance both of them in his life at the same time, and no matter how hard he tries, the balance always ends up tipping towards Will’s side.
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bymarara · 5 months ago
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Mike and Wills friendship vs everybody elses
I’m sick of people acting like Mike and Wills friendship is platonic when 1. One literally had a crush on the other and 2. None of the other friendships are treated the same way Mike and Will are throughout the seasons so let’s go over them!
(This is gonna be a long one!)
Season 2 & 1
First off, in season 1, the show focuses on how Will going missing effects Mike the most out of all his friends. Mike is the only one to notice Will isn’t at school the day he goes missing. Mike is the one to come up with the idea to go out looking for him. Mike only keeps El around when he realizes she can help find Will. Mike is the only one that’s focused on after they find Will’s “dead” body. Mike is the only one out of the party members that holds proper hope that Will may still be alive.
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In season 2 he was the only one that went outside of the arcade to check where Will had gone. He was the only one that noticed Will was being extra quiet that day at school. He panicked when he couldn’t find Will, “Will what’s wrong? I couldn’t find you, are you hurt? I’m gonna get you home, okay? I’m gonna get you home”, He purposely volunteered himself to go check on Will and then proceed to stay with Will in the hospital for days afterwards. He was the only one out of his friends that stayed with Will in the shed when he was possessed.
Edit: also wanted to point out how in the crazy together scene when Will told Mike about the mindflayer he said “just please don’t tell the others okay? They wouldn’t understand.” Implying that Will trusts Mike the most and that he thinks only Mike would understand what he’s going through.
& Will only yelled Mike’s name when he was having an episode before the crazy together scene happened. He didn’t yell Lucas’s name or Dustin’s or even Jonathan or his mums, his first instinct was to call Mike for help. Both of these things furthermore prove my point that their friendship is different from the others and they’re much closer
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Again, the show focuses on Will and Mikes friendship the most this season. Not their friendships with Lucas or Dustin or anybody else, just with eachother. None of the other friendships in the show have done anything like this. Hell none of the friendships in the show ever GET as much attention and focus as Mike and Will do throughout the seasons. They are treated so differently. Still don’t believe me?
Season 3
One of the most iconic Byler scenes is the rain fight scene. Now I'm not really gonna talk about how obviously romantic this scene is by itself. But how it contrasts Will and Lucas's apology scene. The contrast between these two scenes is such a huge piece of evidence to me and I'm surpsired I don't see it around more
(Thank you to this video for saving me while I was trying to find the scenes https://youtu.be/u-rLx10eROw?si=vdGoQNtnXU103iZt )
Here’s the two scenes mixed together for reference:
Byler’s fight
In the Byler scene, it has buildup. Will getting mad and then bursting out of the room, Mike follows him while Lucas stays behind. Once they get outside, the lighting is dark and blue. The music playing in the background is somber. The way both characters talk and act makes you know that this is a serious scene. The aftermaths of Will going to his house and crying as he destroys castle Byers. And Mike and Lucas biking out to find him in the rain. You could make the argument that Lucas being there makes this scene bad proof, but it focusing more on Mike then Lucas tells you otherwise.
Lucas’s apology
It’s super rushed, you barely even notice it. It’s super random and isn’t focused on at all, it just starts with Lucas saying he’s sorry and Will saying it doesn’t matter and it’s pretty much over. The lighting is bright, our minds are more focused on trying to get ready to trap Billy then the actual conversation they’re having. Neither Lucas or Will react to it afterwards. You could literally skip this scene and you wouldn’t miss anything.
So why have such a useless scene in the middle of nowhere?
The Byler rain fight is such an important scene to show how Mike and Wills friendship has gone downhill, to show the change between children and teenagers, and also to hint at Will's sexuality. The Lucas and Will scene is just so useless and random and could've been left out, but the way it contrasts the Byler fight scene makes me think that its only purpose was to show the difference between Mike and Wills friendship together vs anybody else's, and nothing else. Because why else have it there? If Mike and Wills scene wasn't meant to have a deeper meaning, then why make it as dramatic as it was? Why build it up the way they did?? If it was platonic the scene would've been more similar to the Lucas scene and/or toned down a LOT.
It's undeniable that the Duffers where trying to show us something with these two scenes
Season 4
You can tell there’s clearly tension between Mike and Will when they reunite in the airport, which is very odd. Mike and Will are best friends, and again, Mike wouldn’t act this way with any of his other friends. He didn’t even act this way with El
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Mike then later admits that he was being an asshole to Will, and we get that beautiful “friends. Best friends.” Scene.
Now, I want you to rewatch that scene and pretend that Will is Max or Lucas or Dustin or Erica or Steve or Jonathan or anybody Mike is friends with. But you can’t. It just feels too wrong and too romantic, doesn’t it? It seems weird as well, because we know full well Mike wouldn’t say something like that to any of his other friends. He’s never had a conversation like that with any of his other friends, either. This is because they’re just that. Friends. So why should it be any different for Will and Mike?
This is the same for any scene with Mike and Will. Season 4 or not
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And if you seriously cannot notice the difference between Mike and Wills friendship vs anybody else’s, you need to do a rewatch
Anyways, there’s probably more stuff I could add but I’m gonna leave it at that for now. If you have anything to add leave it in the comments! Thank you for reading
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bymarara · 5 months ago
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Found this on google but here is Jancy right before they started dating and this is Byler right before they will start dating.
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bymarara · 5 months ago
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Warning! Spoilers for Stranger Things 5! Very exciting for Bylers!
I’ve alluded to this in other posts from this week, so I’m clarifying what those references were to.
In early April, a male extra playing a nurse dm’d a byler account on twitter with info - they filmed scenes at the hospital for episode 2. He disclosed plenty of information about the casting process to prove he was who he claimed to be. I can’t disclose more than that, you guys will just have to trust me on this.
He disclosed that the time jump was really several smaller ones from march 1986-winter 1987, and that we’d see scenes spanning that period. This was before the news of that came out independently in early May.
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He had this to say about Will - that he isn’t present at the hospital and thus isn’t injured, that he’s a leader this season, and that he heard Will’s relationship with Mike is developing more.
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As for Mike, he claimed that Mike’s development isn’t centered specifically on El or Will, but that he’s no longer trying to be normal, he’s trying to be hinself and discovering himself, and he’s trying to be the protector he once was - to who, I think we can guess….
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We can’t say for certain what ‘developing more’ means, as the conversation was not pursued further. Apparently he mentioned wanting to make his own account. He didn’t go to Alex as she has made abundantly clear that she won’t share byler information, so take that for what it’s worth.
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This is interesting in context of the hospital stuff, especially since I have confirmation from another source that Will shows up at the hospital last, absolutely distraught after Mike’s injury….
I’m doing a huge post tomorrow where I’ll discuss what I know as of rn about the mileven kiss, and where I try to map a trajectory for mileven and Byler over eps 1 and 2 from the little we know- which are now apparently in early post-production.
@justmy-account @will80sbyers this will probably be of interest to you guys.
ETA: to clarify, google translation was used on the messages, hence the ‘her’ pronoun for Will. Also this guy isn’t just an extra for this one sequence - apparently he was doing more on the show. He hasn’t surfaced since so who knows.
ETA2: FOREHEAD KISS ANON DEBUNKED
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bymarara · 5 months ago
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THINKING ABOUT WHAT MICHAEL WHEELER WAS GOING TO SAY AFTER THIS "Uh..." KEEPS ME UP AT NIGHT
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AND THEN WILL JUST INTERRUPTS RIGHT HERE
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THE F*CKING [tender, emotional music playing]
WILLIAM BYERS, WHY DID YOU INTERRUPT HIM???? YOU WERE ALMOST GETTING THE BOY, HE WAS ONE STEP AWAY FROM MAKING A FULL DECLARATION
I can't
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bymarara · 5 months ago
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Here’s yet another Reddit thread about who was to blame for Mike and Will’s Rink-o-Mania fight:
Nevermind the fact that they ship Mileven and are convinced Mike would never have feelings for Will. We already knew that. But they seem to forget many things about friendships, the shows, and the 80s:
1. If you tell someone to back off, you don’t get to be mad when they do. Their fight in the garage was never resolved for whatever reason. That means Will was under the impression that he had to be less clingy, and that the ball was in Mike’s court to keep in touch.
2. Mike was the one who brought up their decaying friendship at an inappropriate moment. Will was in the wrong for keeping it going, but he didn’t start it.
3. Mike had no problem hugging many people, male and female, in season 4. There’s no reason why Will wouldn’t expect a hug at the airport, Mike was the one who made it weird.
4. Phone calls - especially long-distance phone calls - were EXPENSIVE AF. The Byers are low income, the Wheelers are comfortable middle class. It would have required extra effort on Will’s part to call Mike.
5. Also, this means that NO, LETTERS WEREN’T INHERENTLY ROMANTIC IN THE 80s. If you wanted to stay in touch with someone far away and what you had to say wasn’t urgent, you sent a letter. It wasn’t gay for two guy friends to send each other letters, it was the equivalent of a WhatsApp chat.
6. The relevance of El “having a book of letters from Mike” while Will barely got a couple of phone calls is that *El lives in the same house as Will*. Meaning that *Mike didn’t have to make much extra effort to write a couple of times to Will as well*. It’s not that Will expected to get the girlfriend treatment.
7. Mike couldn’t talk to El on the phone. That’s why they communicated by letters and walky-talkies. If he was trying to call someone in California, it was Will. Unless he really, really missed the sound of Joyce’s or Jonathan’s voices.
8. If the line was busy for Mike, it was busy for Will too.
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bymarara · 5 months ago
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Mike Wheeler's guitar
Ever since someone found the guitar in Mike's room in S4 there is a lot of speculation about what it means. So I decided to make a little post about my thought on this topic.
The guitar in Mike's bedroom is only shown shortly in S4E1.
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It seems to be an acoustic guitar but could maybe be a gibson les paul e-guitar or similiar model instead. Because we only see the neck we can't really tell 100% but the acoustic guitar is more likely.
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It's actually not the 1st time guitars are mentioned in stranger things. In S3, while El and Max are searching for heather at the pool, there is a guitar lessons poster pinned on the cork board with the lifeguard pictures.
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This scene is not directly connected to Mike (as far as we can tell right now) but it is the first time a guitar us brought up visually in the show (as far as I am aware right now).
Mike's bedroom scene isn't the only time a guitar is shown in direct context of his presence.
In S4E4, when the FBI is keeping the cali crew in house arrest and Will is rambling about how they need El and her powers in order to save hawkins and Mike is moping about El letter which she signed "From El", Mike throws the letter in an a bucket. And guess what's behind the bucket. Right a guitar.
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Again it is most likely a acoustic guitar.
A very more subtile hint off Mike's connection to guitars and only recognizable if you make a deep dive into the set design of stranger things is another interesting detail from Mike's room in S4. In this post @runninguplenorahills found a cool hidden detail.
It's this cool little trading card:
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Yet another visible connection between Mike and guitars. This time it's an electric guitar.
Mike is barely shown to be very music interested. In S1 he says "he sang that weird song he likes" about Will singing "Should I stay or should I go" through the walkie the night they found his body in the quarry. It gives us a contrast between Mike and Will. Will loves Music (thanks to Jonathan) but Mike doesn't seem interested in it. But in S3 he shows us a different version of himself regarding Music.
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He sings a long to Corey Harts Never surrender and not only knows the lyrics by heart but gives his own interpretation (with growling at the end). Also see how the subtitles say "Imitates guitar break". Like Mike knows this song really well.
Important to notice here. The song plays off a tape that Mike most likely brought with him so they could listen to it.
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There are a lot off headcanons and thoughts about the possibility that Eddie inspired Mike to learn guitar or even be his teacher. But I really doubt that Mike had this kind of relationship with Eddie. While Eddie is obviously an inspiration for Mike in form of looks (Growing out his hair, the clothes he is wearing in S4E1 are very Eddie like) there is no indication that Mike likes the same music. Eddie is a metalhead and the only time Mike is shown to be interested in music he is singing a Pop-Rock song. If Eddie knew he would be most likely laughing about that.
I honestly think that Mike did learn to play the guitar before he met Eddie. We don't see his room in S2 and S3 so he could already been playing for a while.
I don't have proof honestly but one thing made me think. In S4 we see a upright piano in the wheeler's house.
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The interesting thing about it are the sheets of music. Why? Well we all know how clean Karen is. She wouldn't let sheets of music on the piano if nobody was using it. So one off the Wheelers was playing quite recently.
Also the piano is shown in a direct pan transition from Max to Chief Powell. We are meant to notice it (while a lot of people possibly didn't).
If someone in the family is playing piano it's not so far off that Mike is playing guitar and since he was a Pop rock enthusiast in S3 he could have been playing already. A typical thing in music lessons is to add current hits/modern music in the rehearsal to give the students interesting stuff to work with.
Important to notice with Mike's guitar is that it's in his bedroom. It's something intimate that possibly his friends don't even know about. He doesn't have it in the basement where he spends most of his time and could show his skills to his friends or have at least a very cool decoration and where he couldn't annoy anyone when he is playing. No he keeps it in his bedroom where his friends very rarely go to. Where he can be by himself and if he would play to loud he would totally annoy his family who want to sleep when he goes up into his bedroom.
What I want to mention too, is that Will's art evolved in S4 in order to show us his feelings for Mike. Mike could parallel this. While Will's art evolved from pencil and crayon to and literal (oil?) painting Mike's art could evolve from campaigns (and letters) to a song he wrote for Will.
A side note I want to give. Finn Wolfhard can play "Should I stay or should I go". While this clip is from late 2017 (after S2) the original is older I think (I found a short from January 2017 - before S2). While yes it's only the beginning and it's everything but smooth I keep thinking about how the duffers said that they had way more ideas for S2 than they could have included. Maybe Mike playing should I stay or should I go was one of them.
I think that was everything for now. If you found anything else that could be in anyway related to this please share with the class.
Thanks for reading <3
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bymarara · 5 months ago
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Gotta be honest that a lot of my byler confidence comes from Mike’s side of the story. He’s not some brainless vessel that exists to further El and Will’s arcs. He is actively making choices, reacting to what’s going on in his life, and impacting the story. The issue is that his POV has been blocked from us for a while which is why some of his actions are confusing. These things have been spoken about to death so I don’t need to go into detail, but think of things like the s3 epilogue, the airport scene and rink-o-mania sequence, the choice to have Mike with Will all season, Mike slipping back into his leader role when he’s back with Will, Mike not being able to say ily and the reason he gives for it not making sense, Mike being prompted to say ily because of Will’s feelings, the entire 2 days later sequence, the overall theme of Wheelers vs. Conformity *takes breath* Think of all the intertextuality with other queer films, musical motifs, costume elements like the triangle pointing to Will that they added to the shirt specifically, closet imagery… The list goes on.
Imo you don’t even need half the stuff on this list to believe in requited byler. The overall pacing, themes, and arcs in s3-4 are enough. Everything else is just bonus material. My point is that Mike is a pivotal character who has his own arc of self-actualisation as well, and I personally think that it’s quite clear that requited byler is part of this.
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bymarara · 5 months ago
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The thing that Mike and Will have is so special and every time they're together it's like a comforting sort of tension. (plus the [tender, emotional music]) It's something that's kept secret, it's private and vulnerable.
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We all know the signature Will Voice™️, If it's either consciously done or unconsciously done it's still an act of love. If it's consciously done; then Mike PURPOSEFULLY brings out a softer version of himself when will is around. Not only his voice but also his body language and facial expressions.
There is not one time that Mike scowls at will other than the rain fight (and maybe the rinkomania fight). On the other hand, he does that to Dustin, Lucas, Max, and even El.
If it's unconsciously done; Then we know Mike thinks of Will more vulnerably. It's like second nature for him to soften up when he's around just because he views him in a softer light. (SOMEBODY SEDATE ME)
What Mike and Will have is not shared with the rest of the party and not even brought up. We know Lucas and Dustin are his best friends. (and he's closer to Lucas because they're neighbors) And a lot of people say that Lucas is his best friend In the party and that's because will is less shown as a "best friend" and more of a LOVE INTEREST.
After the "Cool scene" when Jonathan comes through the door, they were CLEARLY interrupted. What would have been said if Jonathan would have waited but 5 minutes? The mood immediately changes once another person is there.
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bymarara · 5 months ago
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this is the frame that made me think el and mike were done and there was no fixing it
look at her face bro. she looks defeated. just so done with everything.
she's had a fucking horrible six months. she left her home, got bullied and harassed at school, and just got PUBLICLY bullied harassed AND assaulted, gave her bully a concussion with a roller skate, got her lie exposed to her boyfriend
she feels terrible. and you know what would make her feel a little better? her boyfriend telling her he loves her. it would help her feel less terrible. and he can't fucking do it. instead, he gaslights her and makes HER out to be the crazy one for wanting him to say it
she's fucking over it and she has every right to be
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bymarara · 5 months ago
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it's curious that noah said they've been building up will's love for mike since season one.
season ONE? THE SEASON HE'S BARELY FUCKING IN????????????
the season where mike is determined to find will??? where mike says he's the only one who cares about will??? where mike flips out on everyone and leaves el behind because he thinks will is dead??? where mike is sadly caressing a binder of will's drawings??? where mike stayed awake while everyone slept waiting for will to wake up so he could be there right away??? where mike hugs will lays his head on will's chest???
the entirety of season 1 is only on mikes side. with solely season 1 you couldn't really make an argument for will loving mike, but you could 100% make an argument for mike loving will.
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