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I’ve been working on my viera with rp partner and this is Harjn!! I don’t know how to draw and I forgot to save the original art so I’m trying to salvage it. I really wanted to go heavily on the ffxii texture look because I love it so much also idk how hair works

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i didnt want to add this onto ashy’s post cause its her opinion but i think something really cool would be the woodwarder outfit being starting gear and a like slightly less detailed salve maker gear as under garments

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Just saying my thoughts!!

I don’t want to jump on any post but as a long time Ivalice fan I would like to at least say something. I’ve loved the series since I was 13 and I know some perspective of the game is from the series itself or from an outside perspective. I know Fran’s outfit is super iconic! But there better outfits I feel that could have been used…

this is image heavy so I apologize!!

The wood warder outfit could have been better I personally feel because there’s more too it. It does still retain elements thought of how the original race armor is from the concept art but it does reflect better on how we’ve seen some of the starter race gear for girls which still isn’t…the best. Looking at Hyur and Miqo’te with the skirts and panties. But even from there!! There have been SO many nice outfits used for the Viera that I really hope could be possibly implemented.

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These jobs are from FFTA2! Spellblade, Assassin, and Sniper. Three of my favorite jobs with outfits that work super well with the viera frame. Even Green Mage had cute armor as well!!

I really do hope there could have been maybe more variety in terms of what was showcased. I know that Fran is pretty much eye-candy and her design is iconic for her being her but I don’t think all Viera have to be like that. As much as I love FF12 I’m more attached to how the Viera are dressed in the Advance games. They have a variety of outfits both skimpy and practical.

I understand the frustration too with the skin tones as I’m a little sad to see how it went. I know the Feol Viera are a big thing a handful of people wanted to see as a sub race but I feel it sadly wouldn’t work considering that they are more or less extinct in the Ivalice series in Revenant Wings when Mydia a feol viera herself killed her entire race of people. I think darker skin tones should have been showcased more! Viera definitely have a variety of them. There’s subtle skin tones with the Advance Viera I posted but I did look at screens of Fran and her sisters

I apologize for eye dropping them! I really wanted to showcase the amount of coloration that is in the skin tone in terms of lights and darks from the base models. I know I was sad not seeing what was given to us and I don’t want to hold my breath with what may happen but I am sure or rather I’m hoping this will be done right. I know one of my favorite Final Fantasy characters in the series has sadly been white washed..(Firion from Final Fantasy II orz).

I can understand the frustration that people do feel in regards to what was presented to us with the Viera. We haven’t seen much action from them since FFTA2 which was a hand held I’m sure not a majority of the fandom may have not played. I enjoyed how they were portrayed and I hope that maybe they’ll draw from how Viera developed in the side games but who knows!

I know people will design Viera OCs however they liked and that’s valid! It’s your OCs and you can create them! I guess what I’m saying is coming from a long time fan at least view some of the frustrations people do view. I know the Viera showcase was a rushed prototype to give a general idea of what we had but it did make me tilt my head some to see them not fully portrayed as they’ve always been in the series.

Things could have been handled a lot better and I’m praying down the road by the time we see more at Tokyo Fanfest and even when Shadowbringers launched that things will be better. 

This post is more my personal feelings as an Ivalice fan just wanting to say how I feel with what’s happened since I really honest to god love this world but it’s hard for me to articulate my words very well haha

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Ffxiv is still the worst mmo ever.

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I know it's probably not my place to say but your English is really good!

I’d hope so I’ve been living in an English speaking country long enough but my household speaks both my native languages and I travel a lot so sometimes with English I’m just like

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thanks for blocking have a nice day

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male viera be like

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They are just asking a question...Jesus

It wasn’t a question it just happened to be a statement that ended in a question mark in order for it to try and not come off as a confident one because they know they’re not 100% I had also explained my point in detail in the original post they had been referencing.

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I can read and don't understand how you can argue Xaela are anything but Mongolian. Also that's some broken Mongolian, good job on the google translate!

ok well i didn’t say they were i meant like there are other cultures that fall under the same umbrella ya fucking dumb ass. i am literally a tatar and have family married into other cultures under the same umbrella. 

literally the mongolian empire wasn’t just mongolians it was many tribes absorbed to create the empire, such as the keraites, khamag mongol, naiman, mergid, and THE TATAR. WHAT I AM.

because of this turkic cultures are very similar, i can understand words in uyghur, kazak and altay. mongolian too. in game there are some things that are added that even i dont think the dev team understands is leaning more towards a certain group or tribe. literally if i went to visit another village that was perhaps uyghur we’d be doing the same shit with different details.

like please don’t try and think you know it all because you >THINK

also i was speaking tatar but sure go ahead with “broken mongolian” despite modern day mongolian is actually written in cyrillic script????????????????????????????????? what are you on

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I'm not too sure about Xaela being really outside of anything Mongolian? I mean considering the language and textiles used are very inherently Mongolian I don't understand your argument.

Min nıq yütällim!!!!!!!!!!!! Xäwefle LMAO learn to read

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everyone and their dog is doing it and everyone is absolutely allowed to share their opinions so i want a turn but first let me clarify:

hello im yase, been around since 1.0. I am of turkish and nogai descent and i can speak fluently in tatar, turkish but my english doesn’t hold 100% so i will be all over the place.

Unfortunately this will all be word of mouth and may be taken as vague posting, but I have experienced issues since the release of 4.0 and would like to give my opinions. I want to let this all off my chest this is just a huge vent basically so i guarantee my english will be terrible.

the most important point: NEVER EVER SPEAK FOR ANOTHER CULTURE. NEVER EVER SPEAK ABOUT A CULTURE YOU DON’T KNOW. YOU HAVE SPREAD FALSE INFORMATION AND I AM SO HURT.

another point is ITS A VIDEO GAME GUYS (does not apply to everything but some people really need to take a step back because people are concerned.)

Here’s the hot topic I’ll talk of first: garleans. I personally do not play one as I prefer to play characters that would never be involved in a sense with the political agenda because in real life im too stupid to comprehend anything like that so i wouldn’t even know how my character would behave with the hot topics. I really do think people need to take a step back and see that everyone who is putting in their input is making solid points but personally I would never compare them to nazi germany though I see why people are generalising. I always saw it as tsardom of russia with the use of roman influence as well, something obvious in naming conventions and the way the ranks/monarchy(?) works but it’s not so clear what the main influences of most places in this game if you have a look at the bigger picture. Without like full on spoiling, its weird to have this view to me with the knowledge that ascians are behind this. Are you implying anyone who plays or was influenced by ascians is also under this umbrella? 

Also why THE HELL WOULD YOU TAG SOMETHING KNOWING IT WOULD GET A LOT OF TRACTION AND RESPONSE THEN BE LIKE “you guys misunderstood, I was expressing my feelings” lol no. “ I don’t understand where this is coming from, and at this point, I don’t really want to.” then why did you even fucking bother do it in private dont tag it.

You are COMPLETELY valid to feeling uncomfortable, it is fine because with how much of this world we have there will be aspects some of us don’t like. You are not inclined to involve yourself with someone if they roleplay as a garlean but you do not need to start publicising it in a way that will paint the community in black and white when its truly a wider spectrum.

YOU CHOOSE WHO YOU INVOLVE YOURSELF WITH AND WHO YOU PLAY WITH, PLEASE GET AWAY FROM PEOPLE WHO GIVE YOU NEGATIVE FEELINGS OR YOU’LL SPREAD IT TO OTHERS.

from that initial and very brief tagged post there popped up many others and new discourse is arising, opening discussions about many things which is better then being blind to it all. but if you have personal grievances with someone and you state its over, let it be over. It’s not healthy behaviour. it’s also troubling to see someone complain a lot about the game and continue to play, no one is forcing you or holding a gun to your head. take breaks if you need to and play less frequently. like, real life is so much more important and there are people in this community that prioritise relationships with players etc.

Also, please stop fucking talking about mongolian/turkic/turkish culture like you know things. 99% of the big mouths in this community are americans. like majority are white americans. 

over the course of this expansion i have had many people of varied backgrounds share with me some terrible experiences and i myself have seen some truly stupid shit. 

WE ARE HERE TO HELP YOU LEARN OF OUR CULTURE AND WHERE TO CONTINUE DOING SO. DO NOT INTERPRET MEDIA AS ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF CULTURE.

it is absolutely not hard to tag a post and ask around, someone will pop up. I’ve been doing my very best to let everyone i know that i can help with learning about my culture or to find someone who would be more then happy to explain and share with other cultures. But when you go off of a documentary you saw of Genghis khan or only know of the tourist white people scenes of istanbul you as a community say some TRULY dumb shit.

I like to try and be patient because i myself when approaching someone of a culture i admire and am curious about i want that in turn. But if you say to me things like “Ainu aren’t real” or “Tatar people have nothing in common with tribes from the Altai mountains” its hard to do so.

FFXIV regions are not just “Germany” “Turkey” “Mongolia”. If you think this, it’s clear to me you don’t know shit and are too lazy to explore, further just google shit its not that hard. I had someone tell me that my people could never be in this game since its “Straight up mongolia” fucks sake NO ITS NOT. The designs vary and i can see the differences in simple things like words because i actually bother to do research even coming from a turkic culture. There were some beautiful little things dropped that linked to not only my people but others like Uyghur and Altai. The only place in FFXIV i think could only have a singular influence is Kugane, because from a foreigner’s perspective that’s already interesting enough. Many people have grievances and real issues with how SE has handled Doma’s influences and no one ever talks about that. Representation for asia in media has turned into this mess of specific east asian countries, the trio that even then gets categorized into China/Japan with brief mentions of Korean culture. 

Its frustrating. There are people who are happy to teach you. Who are willing to show what is wrong with the picture.

I have read several posts about Turkey/istanbul/Antalya. Yall fuckin weird you guys seem to think its in U.A.E or some shit with how you act. It’s in the Mediterranean/Europe/Asia/Middle East and there is no such thing as a specific looking Turkish person. You claim everyone is specifically white/brown, HELL NO. It’s a mixed nation and that’s the history of the land, if you had ever fucking stepped in turkey and spoke to any person on the street they’ll say their heritage that lead them to there. People claim Ala mhigo’s influences are turkey but i have yet to see that. As someone who has lived there and has heritage there and is strongly connected to that culture, i dont see it. sure the ala mhigan gown had patternings but thats also present in my nogai culture too because parts of turkey’s society descended from the line of the Kayi tribe. Just fucking LEARN TO READ GUYS. None of you guys even know what the altai mountains mean and i could sit and explain over and over again if you let people SPEAK.

Look at Thavnairian items. We have outfits that are completely different, a full length dress and then a bustier. you can’t start generalising things in video games to be one culture you have to realise most places in this game have several influences. We don’t know a lot but everything we have been given has been varied enough to pin point it to ONLY one influence.

I don’t want to just keep going about this simply because im growing frustrated.

The thing with Viera complaints. I think some are valid but some are stupid. For one as I make this post it hasn’t even been confirmed so there is no reason for policing Viera to a severe extent. Considering all the Ivalice content in game has been an alternate universe kind of thing its dumb as shit. But feol viera being made without understanding the knowledge that people who have played rw picked up is quite frustrating. As a community, its important to help people when we have information that others may need that they cant understand the context of.

I know people are worried about them being fetishized, that is my legitimate fear too as a huge ivalice fan. But this is a repeated cycle especially when we consider generalizations like miqo’te especially seekers and belly dancing or when au ra arrived and people thought xaela were genghis khan basically. 

The game is not solid, there are so many holes in the lore and the plots and i know people hate that but we fill the gaps with our own opinions and theories. While I understand some people think we need to move forward in 2019 because “japan is xenophobic”, its a very difficult thing to do. THEY DO HIRE PEOPLE FOR CULTURE ADVISING. THEY TRAVEL OFTEN AND DEVELOP WITH THIS. IT’S NOT LIKE THEY WENT ON GOOGLE AND SAID “yeah a japan land would be fun” they literally have people hired specifically for this stuff. however, at the end of the day its a company that has yet to show it can evolve with the times. Its becoming more and more evident with the recent patterns of main titles in FF and side projects having so many issues in story/lore/management. remember 1.0 basically died being absolute garbage and this is salvaged from that.

its really late and i had a terrible evening so i may not be making the most sense but theres more important things to worry about then to make this game a miserable experience when it could be a huge learning opportunity for everyone. There’s no need to generalise people into categories because of characters they choose to develop but its important to note with majority of people standing up higher on the pedestal are those speaking for the minorities groups that have direct influences in the game.

also lol if you fucking say ainu aren’t real to me one more time i will fucking throttle you

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This “discourse” provides the perfect time to say it. Anyone who roleplays a Limsan supports online piracy.

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lol then you draw it

oh hey what cute art for the Starlight event this year!! Look at all the adorable little—

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oh god

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Sorry to steal your ask but it’s really not that hard to be like “HELLO FFXIV COM IS ANYONE OF ___ BACKGROUND I WOULD REALLY LIKE YOUR INPUT AND WOULD LIKE TO LEARN OF YOUR CULTURE” its a big community and easy to show respect towards others just saying cause as someone of turkic/turkish background I have seen some shit. I saw someone name their character Fork in my language. Also people using Kanji incorrectly I SAW SOMEONE NAMED 猿 COME ON GUYS! Also what is the fascination with belly dancing? There are so many other cool cultural dances and in game even im, the yol dance is based off dances from real life cultures? belly dancer is boring its been beaten to death, be a dervish *(dont actually do this i’ll kill you with my bare hands)

Please, if you have the platform, ask for some help. It’s not that hard. I’m always asking so I can not only make a character that is respectful towards other cultures but I don’t come off looking like a dumb ass who is fetishizing elements of a culture I don’t understand. Not only will it help you but it could also help others who have no idea how to approach certain cultures.

Would you mind elaborating on some of the harmful tropes you mentioned regarding Xaela? It is difficult to know if it's necessary to correct one's behavior or character without knowing what the problems are, and this might not necessarily be self-evident by doing research into irl culture without the perspective needed to notice any issues in the first place

Not… self-evident? It should go without saying that when you decide to write a character from a culture that you do not belong to yourself, you should put in the research to learn about said culture. That should be your first inclination when you make that decision. 

If you have done so then you should have enough basis knowledge and the common sense not to do anything that seems out of the realm of feasible. It’s when people don’t do this that you get issues. It’s not hard to be respectful of the culture your character takes influence from.

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Because I feel like this needs to be said, as I’ve seen a lot of it recently…

Please do some research into the cultures your ocs are portraying. While FFXIV is full of fantasy races from made up places, they are based on real world equivalents with vast and intricate cultures. The least you can do is be respectful of them by putting in some base level research into them when creating your characters. 

Please, enough with the badly researched, harmful trope reliant, butchered “cultural flair.” 

Cultures develop differently for a reason, there are aspects of certain cultures that you cannot conflate. There is a large part of people that develop because of, and through, their culture. So to disregard that aspect of someone doesn’t make a lot of sense.

We have so much lore and the entire library of the internet at our fingertips, the VERY LEAST we can do is use them. Because the alternative is ignorance and it’s not acceptable

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hello your local Turkic person here

how do i say this without just reiterating some points above 

Turkic people are very diverse and its beautiful in this manga, but it barely touches the roots of all these cultures that even today are dying out and I get so happy seeing Xaela with this base but can I just say that most descended from Göktürks and other Mongolians? Our culture when you have a closer look away from adaptations like this are very similar in the roots of Mongolian culture. Not all Turkic people came to be the same way but as someone who is heavily trying to keep her culture alive, I would like to mention there are actually a few tidbits in the Xaela lore and in the steppe in game that give gentle nods to my people as we are extremely diverse. So I find it really limiting to say the Xaela are just 1:1 Mongolian when there are literally some references to not only Turkic people but other cultures who have or had at some point occupied a piece of that land in real life.

Big Big Recommendation!

Since a lot of my followers (or mutrals) also seem to RP Xaela - and since their culture is widely based on Mongolia, I wanted to recommend this manga for y'all’s viewing pleasure.

Especially since the artist/writer did a lot of research, and even though you don’t gotta follow such things to a T, the visuals and practices and atmospheres all are absolutely gorgeous.

It’s worth reading even if you don’t rp a tribal Xaela! It’s just a great book overall.

Also, please consider purchasing the actual book to support the author. 💕

A Bride’s Story (乙嫁語り / Otoyomegatari)

By Kaoru Mori

There are ten volumes thus far and as far as I know, she’s still working on them!