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Hi! I read your post on Túrin and Beleg's relationship, and I want to say that I agree with your arguments. (especially on people's projection onto them)

I would like to contribute another argument for it, probably my biggest one: the affection/love Beleg has for Túrin is more of a parental love than romantic love.

I tried to write a whole big paragraph, but tumblr crashed on me and it all disappeared! Here is a quote from The Children of Húrin that probably most effectively supports my point:

"If I stayed beside you, love would lead me, not wisdom," said Beleg. "My heart warns me that we should return to Doriath. Elsewhere a shadow lies before us."

"Nonetheless, I will not go there,’ said Túrin.

"Alas!" said Beleg. "But as a fond father who grants his son’s desire against his own foresight, I yield to your will. At your asking, I will stay."

As a thousand years old elf (or hundreds, depending on your headcanon), Beleg is most likely have an "elder and his son/grandson" relationship with Túrin when Túrin is a boy, and still feel the same (and maybe with a new layer of camaraderie and friendship-as-equals on top of it) when Túrin grows into a young adult and then adult. Because the years it takes for Túrin to grow up is way, way too short compared to the numbers of years an elf experiences, for Beleg to just change into loving Túrin romantically. (that would sound immoral, even, like a dad starting to love his son once his son grew up) Or, from another perspective: a child is forever a child in his/her parents' eyes.

Túrin, however, might have moments of confusion on whether he loves Beleg romantically or just as a friend/mentor/parent-like figure. And I'm saying this because Túrin is a human, and as humans grow up (from my own experiences...), they learn new things and experience emotions and feelings that, for them, feels very new. So they might get confused in the process. But, that is very normal, and it does not indicate in any way that he is or will be romantically attracted to the same gender...

Your arguments explains it all--why Túrin does not have to romantically love Beleg, and vice-versa, to be very, very close friends with each other.

Thank you for reading my long-winded, messy thoughts! I'm glad I finally find an excuse to share this with someone!

Loved your points! I agree, besides those lines clearly spell it out.

Another reason I would also add is beleg has literally been with turn since he was a young boy/ A literal child I don't see how people think them being romantic is canon when it would most likely be very icky........

I doubt professor Tolkien would write something so disturbing

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if you could pair inuyasha with a sailor scout who would you pick

Wow, um...okay...tricky one. Off the top of my head based on personalities....I would say Makoto. Smart and strong. She can stand on her own and hold her own against his sharp attitude. She's also kind and honest and a good cook. He certainly wouldn't see her height as a bad thing, and think she's cool for having the power lightening as well as her other powers. That she could easily beat up some of the demons would be a plus, and he would find her pretty. Among other things he probably would think she's cool regardless of their romantic status, and wouldn't mind just hanging out with her.

So yeah, if I have to pick someone other than Kagome, I would say Sailor Jupitor for Inuyasha as a pairing.

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Why I think beleg and turin being a canon couple is conjecture

1. The word "tryst" used

The more commonly know meaning of tryst is a secret meeting between lovers which does cause confusion when reading into their relationship but people ignore the second meaning of tryst either deliberately or out of ignorance.

The second meaning being "an appointed meeting or meeting place" which makes more sense. If the context was romantic it would make no sense why androg would be jealous.

2. Kissing beleg

We must first take in mind their relationship from start. Turin had seen beleg since childhood. He was closest to what turn can call an older brother or father figure who also later became his dearest friend. I saw the kiss at the time of death as purely platonic. Like a child kissing their parent/ or a brother kissing his dead brother

Even as friends it would make sense, turin is in extreme anguish he has just killed the only person he has been close to since childhood. Probably his mentor aswell. Hence he kisses his corpse as a last goodbye.

It baffles me that people view this as a sign that he was sexually and romantically attracted to beleg.

Some also argue that he gave his open mouth a kiss that is why it must be romantic in nature, as if a corpse is in any position to close it's mouth.

3. Tolkien's own view of friendship.

A common theme in all of Tolkien's work is extremely close and intense bond of friendship and brotherhood between men. This makes sense as he himself served in army during times of war. Soldiers develop intense and close friendships as they go through extremely traumatic times. Tolkien wrote these friendships based on actual bonds of friendship he had seen while in the army.

Even the friendship of Sam and frodo which is constantly under scrutiny was based on relationship between a Batman and the officer he was serving.

Carpenter’s Biography quotes Tolkien as saying, “My ‘Sam Gamgee’ is indeed a reflexion of the English soldier, of the privates and batmen I knew in the 1914 war, and recognized as so far superior to myself.” A batman, in military parlance, was a soldier who (as well as being required to fight) was tasked with looking after an officer’s kit, cooking, and cleaning. Tolkien’s phrasing in the letter sent to Minchin is different, and very interesting too: “My ‘Samwise’ is indeed (as you note) largely a reflexion of the English soldier—grafted on the village-boys of early days, the memory of the privates and my batmen that I knew in the 1914 War, and recognized as so far superior to myself"

As someone who had family members serve in army and have Batman as their servers I can attest to their incredible loyalty.

4. Projection from people.

Tolkien was a firm christian. Even though he had a student who wrote queer stories and read them I doubt he would include homosexuality in his works. He hated narnia for the way C.S lewis wrote allegory and christian allegory in this story.

His firm believes are clearly reflected in his stories.

All his elves are built upon the image of good christian. They can only marry (romantic involvement) the opposite sex (no homosexuality). They can't have sex outside of marriage. Their sexual desires fade away after having children.

By this default beleg is definitely straight and turin is as well ( as he fell in love with nienor and if he was bisexual over the course of his whole journey he would have fallen in love with a man since he had more companion who were male and it would make sense but he didn't and only fall in love with a women and got her pregnant.)

They reason why fans especially western fans feel so confused at the immense platonic love between his characters is because their society is hyper sexual. Any form of deep affection especially between same genders must be seen as sexual/romantic.

As someone that isn't from the west and has seen such deep relationships between the same-sex, no these characters aren't sexually repressed or secret lovers. They love each other very much, just platonically that is all.

Another kind of audience is one that projects their own views over the actual text. These have either read too gay themed stories or are gay themselves. I would say take your personal bias away and see these texts in light of what tolkiens mindset was.

Extra: same issue with fingon and maedhros who are also family. I have seen so many close friendships and extreme bonds of platonic love between cousins who have also saved each other from life threatening situations and have never thought wow they must be secret lovers 🤦

Note: one more point is to note that platonic love is of greater scale in professor Tolkien's work than romantic love in most scenarios. Also elves formed great platonic friendships.

*A point written by someone in reddit

"Elf-friend" status isn't something that an Elf can award to a favored mortal, and that all Elves somehow recognize once one Elf has conferred it. Being an "elf-friend" is a psychological and spiritual state that some mortals attain, and once they do all Elves (and creatures of similar spiritual discernment) are able to recognize it.

In fact, being an "elf-friend" is a sign that a given mortal is in tune with the way Arda was supposed to be from the beginning. The estrangement of Elves and mortals only came about because of the Marring of Arda by Melkor. Had that not happened, all mortals would have had the benefit of living with and conversing with Elves, who would have been their helpers and teachers. That would have left a clear mark upon them - longer life, clearer intelligence, deeper spiritual existence - just as it did upon those few mortals who got the opportunity despite the Marring

It seems friendships between mortals and elves are very spiritual in nature. And beleg does provide guidance and counsel to turin almost akin to a spiritual guide and friend/parental figure.

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  Maedhros and Fingon :: Archery Practice

:: Buy this in my Society6 store! ::   //“You might try to aim at the target this time.” Maedhros chuckled in mockery, as he watched his young cousin with judgement like that of an older brother. “Or would you want me to show you, yet again?” Fingon snorted humourlessly through clenched teeth as he drew the arrow to his ear as taught, the exertion of the act making the muscles of his shoulder and arm vibrate in objection after many such motions. The last arrow he had imbedded but a hand-length from the mark, and the frustration was clear in his tightened jaw and narrowing eyes. The young elf inhaled deeply, this time determined to shoot straight. He exhaled slowly, releasing the arrow to fly through the air as the last of his breath left his lunges. It hit the mark with a twack as the metal tip drove into the plate of straw with force. Fingon exclaimed in a cry of victory, and turned to his cousin with a smug grin stapled on his face. “What were you saying, cousin? Perhaps you should not be so swift to disregard my quickness in learning.” Maedhros raised a brow unimpressed. “This is a testimate to my teachings, if anything. If I can teach you, then your baby sister will be next. It will not be so much harder a task, I should think.” He flashed Fingon a challenging grin. The youngster grimaced mockingly in return and held out his hand. “Be quiet and give me another arrow, old man.”// (I wrote the text now to go with the drawing and to underline my idea; it is rushed but I liked it.)

Idea Do not ask me how this idea came into my mind, but I enjoyed drawing it thoroughly. I simply loved the idea of a fully matured Maedhros teaching his adolescent cousin to shoot with bow and arrow. My last time of reading the silmarillion I understood that at the time of Finwe’s remariage with Indis, Fëanor was already grown and married to Nerdanel, so he would get Maedhros at aprox the time that Indis would have Fingolfin, which would mean that Fingon is quite younger than Maedhros. I do not know in years, but I’d guess half a dozen decades at least. So, it is definitely a headcanon of mine that Mae would enjoy the tutoring of his younger cousin. He always seemed the most sympathetic of the Feanorians, especially in his friendship with Fingon. Some of you may also know that I have a headcanon of the dress evolution of the elves through the ages. In early Valinor I imagine them wearing something like the ancient egyptians did, it being a land of beauty and comfort, I see it as sunny and warm, even before the rising of the sun. So that is the explanation for their attires. There is nothing sexual about it. Technique I drew this exclusively with an 8H pencil, and tuned the contrast some in photoshop after scanning–btw, if anyone has a good scanner to recommend, which is not too expensive, I would gladly hear it as mine is terrible. I used a smudge stick for the shading, and it was indeed my first attempt at using one, so I instantly fell in love with the technique, so the shading was a surprisingly easy process, even with the two months grace period–which is my way of categorising my terrible anxiety of finishing drawings I have used much too long time on. The anatomy obviously is not perfect, but this is still one of the best drawings I have made with two people in it–I even drew feet! YAY! And of course I managed to misplace them on the page so I could not finish the top of Fingon’s bow and the end of Maedhros’. But I could still stare at them both all day, as they turned out perfectly to my vision(!!). Conclusion It awes me whenever I don’t hate what I draw, and lately I have hated very little of my art. It is slightly unsettling, to be honest, and it makes me put a lot of pressure on my art, which in return makes me procrastinate. Its a bad circle, but I do love this drawing, with all its flaws, and I was very happy and excited to finish it. It is rather sketchy in style, but I like that as well, and I enjoyed drawing something completely different for once. I hope you like it too, and let me know what you think, of the idea and the drawing!^^ Love, Iggy PS. I cannot stress enough that I do not ship them romantically, and I would very much appreciate if you do not sexualize this drawing of mine. I respect that people have different impressions than me, but I also hope you will respect mine and focus on the art itself. Thank you! <3

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